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What can Troy Glaus Fetch??

Given the weak free agency third base market this offseason i think it would be smart to shop troy glaus around to see what we can get for him from a team ready to contend next year having an offensive hole at third base ( Angels, im looking at you). We do have good in house options to replace troy in freese,craig and wallace. So Do you agree with this strategy or would you like another year of troy in st.louis and recieve some sandwich picks?

Troy glaus for brandon wood and robert fish(lhp)

witch left side of the infield would you rather have?

Glaus and izturis

Wood and Craig

Glaus and lopez?

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I say keep him around another year.

Glaus is a very streaky hitter, and when he’s not hitting it can be frustrating to watch. But, when he is hitting, he is capable of carrying the team. I think Troy has exceeded everyone’s expectations this season filling the shoes of fan favorite (at least mine) Scott Rolen.

Glaus has been healthy all year, and as a result, leads the team in Games with 135. HIs 488 At-bats and 571 Plate Appearances also leads the club. So while he’s playing practically every day, he’s also putting up some decent offensive numbers. Not outstanding, but definitely good. His .850 OPS is good enough for fourth on the team. A .273 Batting Average is a bit better than Rolen’s last season. 22 HR and 87 RBI is nothing to shake a stick at either. Like I said, good.

I’ve been particularly impressed with his defense too. He’s no Scott Rolen, but who is? I wouldn’t be surprised to see Glaus get the Gold Glove this year.

Anyway, to answer your question (finally!), I think the benefit of having Glaus on the team next season is far greater than the benefit of using Freese or Craig. I think Glaus could fetch a decent player in trade, but not one who’ll impact the club as much as he does. I’ll take the sandwich picks.

by mikeonthecards on Sep 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Colby Rasmus' dad

they better keep Glaus around since the team is converting all of it’s 3rd basemen into outfielders.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 3, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's the new reliever--->starter!!!

Kosuke Fukudome: $55 million .265 .365 .386
Skip Schumaker: $Free .307 .366 .421

by joker24 on Sep 3, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are in a good position to contend..........

…next year I say we keep him around.

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by Calhoun on Sep 3, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll vote that he stays...

I’m not saying we don’t keep our options open. If LA wants him bad enough we should be open to moving him (or anyone else not name Pujols or Wainwright maybe Molina). Glaus is likely to be better than whoever we might replace him with, so the haul we get back better be worth a good deal more than the 2 picks we get for keeping him. We’ve got a pretty good chance of being in it to win it next year and his type A status (scroll down) appears pretty safe provided he stays healthy and productive next season.

by cardzfanbub on Sep 3, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He'll stay.....

Because we made him pick up his option for next year. You can’t ask a guy to do that, trade for him, and then move him. Maybe legally you could, but that would be bad business. He’s here for another year, and I’m fine with that.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 3, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't think trading glaus is a viable option..

when you’ve got a black hole of power (molina, izturis, miles) you need glaus in the lineup. he’s a position that we don’t need to worry about.

by KeepOnRolen on Sep 3, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

keep him.

unless wallace comes up and just absolutely dominates in spring training then you can’t move him just yet.

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by those are cobras, man. on Sep 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wallance would have to do something amazing

to beat out a former MVP who just came off of a 25 hr year with a gold glove.

by Evilfrog on Sep 3, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by stlfan on Sep 4, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not necessarily about beating him out

if you can replace him with a guy who makes 400k, and trade him for something of value somewhere else, then you have to explore the possibility.

Say we offered glaus and an OF prospect like Mather for peralta, and the indians accepted. Or Cano, to play glaus at 1st for the Yanks. You’d almost have to do that deal.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Sep 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not cano,

maybe peralta and there is no way in hell they would bite and give peralta up for that.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Sep 3, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I don't love the idea

of selling on glaus now. We would need a hefty return, including something to recreate the aggregate of glaus himself, but I could definitely see a few teams interested in him.

I don’t like the idea of Wallace at third with his current terrible defense, but it’s possible that he could already match glaus offensively

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Sep 3, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really

you wouldn’t even need that much of a return. If you could trade glaus for fringe prospects and then use his salary to sign Sheets or Sabathia, that would be a Good Thing, assuming you can replace most of his production from within the system.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Sep 3, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a hefty assumpiton

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Sep 4, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I’m not so sure they could replace his bat and glove “from within the system” next year. Plus, the Yankees have said they plan to make CC the highest paid pitcher in the game.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His defense this year seems like a career year

If he fields like this on a consistent basis than we fleeced the Jays.

by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2008 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we fleeced the Jays

anyway — look at Rolen’s numbers this season…

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by fourstick on Sep 4, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't deny he's having a career year with the glove

but I’m pretty sure I read it here that his defense (career-wise) was much better than his reputation when we traded for him. While people were saying he was much worse (almost butcher-like) than Rolen, when the stats were rolled out, there wasn’t a whole lot of drop-off.

So, what I’m saying is, I don’t see someone in our organization who can step in next year and replace Troy Glaus with the glove or bat let alone both. I’m taking into consideration how he’s played this year, but even if he doesn’t play this well defensively next year and plays closer to his career numbers, he’s still real tough to replace.

Maybe Wallace can do it in 2010, but he won’t be able to do it next year.

Plus, I’m also of the mindset that we have a closing window in regards to Pujols, so I feel dumping a big part of the offense for prospects is going the wrong direction. I can understand those that are always looking to flip players at their highest value, but at some point you are going to have to try to win something especially if you want to take advantage of having Pujols hitting in the middle of your lineup.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's more than one way to win though

If you replace glaus’ .850 OPS with an .800 and replace iz2’s .600 with an .800, that’s a big boost, especially if it frees up $$$ to sign a FA.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that, but it's not that easy

If you’re going to start saying things like that, I need some legit names. What .800 ss is out there that can replace iz2? What .800 3b is in our system to replace Glaus and be solid defensively?

btw, I just looked at espn.com and there are 5 shortstops over .800

1. Hanley Ramirez .927 (under contract through 2014)
2. Jose Reyes .854 (through 2010, 5.75M ’09, 9M ’10)
3. J.J. Hardy .849 (arbitration eligible)
4. Stephen Drew .819 (through ’09 at 5.5M)
5. Jhonny Peralta .811 (through ’10 fairly cheap 3.4M and 4.6M)

and 4 more over .750

6. Jimmy Rollins .778 (thru 2010 at 7.5M per)
7. Cristian Guzman .765 (thru 2010 at 8M per)
8. Ryan Theriot .755 (under club control)
9. Derek Jeter .750 (ain’t going anywhere)

and 4 more over .700

10. Michael Young .749 (thru 2013 at 16M per year! w/ full no-trade)
11. Yunel Escobar .747 (under team control)
12. Miguel Tejada .731 (thru ’09 at 13M)
13. Brendan Harris .707 (might be under team control?)

Who’s available on that list? Maybe Brendan Harris? We don’t have anyone in the minors that could do that next year, and unless you’re talking about a guy like Brandon Wood but he’s no guarantee plus he might not be available or might be used in their own deal to acquire a shortstop.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, you don't need names

I’m talking about the thought process, not the actual decision. There’s no way for us to know who is available and for what. It’s fun, but pointless, to talk about that. But it’s foolish to rule out options- IE, “can we improve the team by, or while, trading glaus”- without exploring them. So there isn’t an SS. Is there a 2B? A pitcher?

The attitude of some in this thread is “we can’t trade him, it’s unthinkable”, but that doesn’t make sense. Everything is thinkable. It’s one thing to disagree with his trade value, and it’s fine to argue that we can’t simultaneously trade him AND improve the team NEXT YEAR, although I’d disagree with that. But to say that we shouldn’t even think about trading him is absurd.

But two (probably available) guys who could put up an .800 OPS are Furcal and Renteria.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Furcal is what he is

if you want to give him a 3 or 4 year contract, then I can’t really argue with that even though I disagree 100% with it. And Renteria hasn’t done that this year (.685) and is 33, will probably have his option declined by the Tigers and will be signing for another 3 year deal at the very least.

Whatever. If you don’t want to talk names, fine. I was just trying to point out that while the thought process might be sound, it also might not be realistic. You know, the whole “easier said than done” argument.

And for what it’s worth, if you (“you” meaning "anyone") want and can find a trade that helps the Cardinals next year that involves Glaus, then fine. I just think it’s not as easy or simplistic that many think. Plus, he has a no-trade clause so that changes the possibility a ton.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

coming off an injury (furcal)

and a terrible season (renteria), it may be possible to get one of the two on a one or two year deal. Not sure where you got the 3-4 year thing from, though it only takes one BSI GM.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just basing it on history

like you said, it only takes one BSI GM. Furcal would have signed a 4 or 5 year deal the last time until the Dodgers went ape shit with a 3 year deal that paid 4M, 13M and 13M.

He’s only 30, so I would think someone would be willing to give him 3 to 4 years. It’s not like it hasn’t happened with other injured players and with the lack of players like him at short, there’s going to be a lot of interested parties, IMO. He is the best shortstop on the market.

As for Renteria, I don’t know what he’ll get. He played really well two years ago and is having a down year now. It’s very realistic to think he’d get a 3 year deal from someone. He’s also made between 6 and 9 million each year since 2002 so I don’t see him taking a huge pay cut.

Who knows, maybe I’m wrong.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't need names?

I love the “idea” of improving the offense by increasing the aggregate OPS dealing from a position of strength (trading glaus) for a position of weakness (SS), however, in real life the strength of your offer in Glaus is countered by the offensive scarcity at the SS position league-wide. Basically you’re fighting uphill, joining a seller’s market, moving against the flow.

If offense were evenly distributed, league wide, between 3b and ss, then it would be realistic to say, deal our .850 good fielding 3b in a deal for an .800 SS and replace our 3b inhouse. Because of scarcity, the value of an .850 3b is lower than an .800 ss, maybe even below a .750 ss, and the options in FA are extremely risky and also affected by this scarcity.

I absolutely hate the idea of Furcal at SS, because he has been injured for two years and will almost certainly break 10m/year. Renteria even more so because by all accounts he can no longer field the position, and his OPS could plummet as it is already trending.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Sep 6, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you think we'd get someone like Glaus for Rolen?

Cuz I sure didn’t. Mo shocked me with that move. If it went down, it would be similar, happening in a way we can’t predict, which is why I think it’s pointless to throw out “names”, and it’s crazy to just assume it can’t or shouldn’t happen.

Say the Yanks miss out on signing Tex. Hudson is available. Cashman calls mo, inquires about glaus to play first, sends us cano for glaus + jay + KMC or something and then signs hudson to play 2B for NY (or moves arod there and puts glaus at third, or whatever). We then use the extra $5M saved from Glaus’ contract to sign Sheets, and play Freese at 3B. Or sign an FA. Or put Albert there and play Duncan at first next year, or Mather.

There’s a million possibilities. Anything that happens will have repercussions that go wider than what we can think of in a simple post like this. My point is just that limiting options unnecessarily is not something an armchair GM can afford to do ;)

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Sep 6, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would it take that much to get Cano

it isn’t like he is a proven stud yet

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GOOD LORD! LEARN THAT THAN IS NOT THEN!

Sorry to go english NAZI on you, but there is a difference in than and then! You write too much to ignore it!

jp

by jpmorgan5150 on Sep 8, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever heard of guys having freak career years defensively?

I’ve heard of guys working on their defense and getting better, and of guys declining with age as they get arthritis and injuries and things, but I can’t really remember someone suddenly becoming awesome defensively, and then declining horribly.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Sep 9, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't current terrible defense an overstatement?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 6, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to argue with myself

I’d actually like to consider giving him an extension, without the no-trade clause. Guess it all depends on how he looks as a type A, B, etc, and what he’d want. if you could get him to sign a 3Y, 35ish extension, through ‘11, we would have the option of keeping him around if wallace needs to be traded to the AL etc, and he’d become a valuable trade chip himself at the deadline of ‘09 if we’re out of it or in ’10 if Wallace looked ready.

plus it would be additional pujols insurance.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

I wouldn’t do Glaus and Mather for Peralta if I were the Cardinals. A shorstop with decent pop in his bat, but a career OPS+ of 102, entering his age 27 season for a third baseman with great power, a career OPS+121, entering his age 32 season AND a good defensive outfielder entering his age 26 season with a very small sample size, but a 102 career OPS+.

Plus, Peralta gives you about 20 errors a season to your middle infield…something a “pitch to contact” team does not need.

There’s NO WAY to even think about doing that.

by stlfan on Sep 4, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a team approached St. Louis with an amazing offer

they’d certainly have to consider it. But Crazy Train has had a fantastic year and might even win a gold glove. He plays every single day, and while he has some slumps at times, he rebounds from them in a pretty radical way.
I’d keep him unless the salary dump was used for a top of the rotation starter or the return was a big league ready middle infielder with above average defense and some pop (yeah, right).
And I’d re-sign Lopez to play at third base before I handed the job to David Freese (who is the only realistic option to play third every day next year of the three you mentioned).

by adiueordie on Sep 4, 2008 1:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's not going anywhere

he has full no trade protection once his option was picked up. and really why would you trade the guy? he’s been a major upgrade over Rolen in almost every way. replacing a power hitting GG 3rd baseman isn’t as easy as it sounds.

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by gdm426 on Sep 4, 2008 1:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+300

in honor of career homer #300

by adiueordie on Sep 4, 2008 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you mentioned the no-trade clause

usually that’s the first thing I think of, but didn’t this time.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just throwing this out there

If his defense this year is the best of his career, and his offense is good since he is finally healthy, wouldn’t it be a decent play to sell high on glaus? His injury history is pretty notable, plus the whole career year defense thing. He’s getting older and is past his prime, we can only really hope that the dropoff is easy instead of harsh. 3b is a position that is in demand and Glaus is probably within the top tier with his current performance. As of right now, Glaus could be worth two or three prospects. Granted, if he performs well next year he would be an asset in the postseason and could net us type A draft picks, but if he gets hurt he could end up costing us dearly for our faith, especially if he is signed to an extension.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Sep 4, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, it wouldn't

If we knew for sure that Wallace was going to be ready next year, AND was going to be almost as good as Glaus defensively (not likely), then maybe we could look at trading him. I don’t think he’s worth 2 good prospects, much less three, and he has a full no-trade clause, so we’d have to send him somewhere that he wants to go. I can’t think of too many teams that are going to be willing to give up a prized middle infield prospect (the only thing worth trading for) for one year of Troy Glaus. What you aren’t factoring in is that he’s on the hook for $12 million next season as well. It would be much easier to move a third base prospect like Freese or Craig for a middle infield prospect than it would be to move Glaus for a couple of decent prospects just from salary implications alone.

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by fourstick on Sep 4, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fwiw

right now, he’s a Type A free agent. Doubt that will change next year. So, if you think he’s not worth two good prospects, he will be if he becomes a free agent after next year.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

I use it a lot. Sorta a staple for me…..

oh, and fwiw ;)

I often run across things on message boards like that I don’t get and have found that if you put it into google, you can usually figure it out.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 4, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could have done that, just too lazy.... Knew I would get a quick answer

being 27 you would think I would know all the acronyms……

by ICbirdfan on Sep 4, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As tackle box pointed out,

technically glaus is already worth two good prospects. As I said in my post, the main downside is that Wallace will, most likely NEVER be as good as troy glaus is defensively this year, however it’s HIGHLY UNLIKELY that troy glaus will never again be as good as troy glaus is right now. Hence, selling high. I don’t think you addressed this point at all.

As for the prospects, I didn’t say ‘three good prospects’ I said three prospects, probably one of them good. Prospects are something best dealt for in bulk because of their risk, and I’d rather have a handful of decent ones than one Clay Buchholz/Phil Hughes flameout risk. Granted, this is basically a seller’s move and it’s really one that neglects the possiblity that Glaus comes back next year the same as this year and we make a run for it.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Sep 6, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding?

Glaus has been one of our best players this year. You don’t get rid of the positives when you’re a winning team.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Sep 4, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LIke the idea

BUT, I don’t see it happening. If we could trade him to the Angels for Brandon Wood I would love that, but I don’t think they would bite… I think Glaus would approve a trade back to the West Coast but that is based on my WAG.

by Lawless on Sep 4, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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