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Game 162 Open Thread -- September 28, 2008

Adam1_tiny by chuckb on in News Comment 349 comments

Cincinnati Reds @ St. Louis Cardinals


 

Pettyjohn Lohse
0-0, 4.50 15-6, 3.78

The more I think about Carp's injury and the organization's statements about "being aggressive" this offseason, the more I think it's likely Lohse will be back next year. He's had his best season this year, though he's slumped of late, and when I previously protested his being signed it was with the belief that Carp would be able to pitch next year. Since I'm not counting on Carp to give us much next year, signing a free agent pitcher seems to be more of a necessity. I'm still not sure Lohse is the right guy -- he turns 30 in December and will likely receive at least 3 years and $30 M -- I'm more open to it than I was two months ago.

Pettyjohn is a lefty who'll be making his first start this year and, in fact, his first since 2001 w/ the Tigers. He hasn't pitched in the big leagues in 7 years. He's bounced around the minors and, ostensibly, hasn't had to go get a real job yet b/c he's lefthanded and has pretty good control. He doesn't strike many out, but he doesn't walk many either. Let's see: a lefty we've never seen and don't have much of a scouting report on who doesn't walk many...I smell trouble.

To hell w/ that. It's game 162. We're at home. Hell, yes, we're going to win. Hope to see lots of traffic here. What the hell else are you going to do ... watch the Rams? Sorry. Cheap shot. Go Cards!

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First post...

a first for me!

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 28, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Cards

Lets finish off 2008 with a bang!

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Sep 28, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lohse Extension

It’s being reported over at STLtoday that Lohse is about to sign an extension for 3 years/$28 million with an option for a 4th year at 12.5 million.

I think I like it. I thought he would have gotten more than that.

by Jack618 on Sep 28, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lohse trade?

looks like Lohse has been scratched pending physicals today – John Rooney on the broadcast offered up a “deal” possibly in the works as an explanation.

Baseball Fever.... Catch it!

by skcabrozar on Sep 28, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe not.

McKernan is now saying it wasn’t him who posted that…sorry.

by Jack618 on Sep 28, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and Mo* is saying it is a 4 yr 1B contract

gotta love the humor of that commenter

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also love his grammer

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 28, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would have expected

MO to have a better grasp of the English language. Poorly educated?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 2:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uggla line drives into Perez's hand

Or vice versa. 2nd inning.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thompson not looking good

just accidentally threw behind votto…

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thudwick will not be denied

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was a day early on my Luddy comment

yesterday it seems

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luddy!

Bet Albert doesn’t let him stay tied for very long…

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

luddites rejoice

for the 37th time!!

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well i'm here

i don’t know how long i’ll be around but i’m here for a second to say goodbye to the ’08 season.

STUDWICK!

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 28, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thought troy got all of that one

probably hit it farther than luddy did, just the wrong direction.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or at least reverse it...

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

i think i’d rather see him reverse it.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 28, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"No political discussions: there are other blogs where you can discuss politics."

I’m not trying to start a political discussion, I’m stating a humorous statement that happens to be slightly political. I see no difference with that than a political quote or something like that. I’ve had this sig for months with no problems. I would reverse it but I think Pujols has a better chance of getting in (being foreign born) as VP =)

Obama/Pujols 2008.

by davethebutcher on Sep 28, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright

I just think it is different.

If no one else has a problem with it, leave it. I never noticed it until today.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

he’s had that sig for a while, I think it came about in a game thread in May or something like that

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, i tested it in a comment before i put it as my sig

was concerned about mixing baseball/politics.

And now that I think about it, this will be the last game I can use it as a sig. So I will retire it soon.

Obama/Pujols 2008.

by davethebutcher on Sep 28, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its not like it says something stupid like go Cubs or something ;-)

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like the

“we are gonna have some exciting news tomorrow”, without confirming the deal

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 2:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know

you might as well just spill the beans.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 28, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mo was funny though

he’s like the little kid who knows what mom is getting for christmas.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cost the Pirate $400k

announcing their signing of a Boras client too early.

by ubeddie on Sep 28, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And about 2 mil in possible incentives

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .259 .360 .378
Skip Schumaker: $Free .305 .361 .414
Skippy needs a new publicist

by joker24 on Sep 28, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mo sez: “we are going to six flags! exciting”

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 28, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's this?

Cubs strike first, thanks in part to error by Prince? (Fie on so many games + so many distractions.)

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ksdk

Which is telling us to pat ourselves on the back. Because we’re awesome fans.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he won't play baseball again.

he’s technically a free agent after this year, so his contract is coming off the books.

by Phizzle on Sep 28, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thank god

that’s 6.5 mil the cards will never get back again.

sad story, bad ending. juan should have retired.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 28, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think the cards paid him

as more of a humanitarian kind of thing.

by Phizzle on Sep 28, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the cards paid him

because he had a guaranteed contract.

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well it was in his contract

they had to legally pay it to him unless he retired, which he didn’t do.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 28, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't say I blame him

He may never regain enough eyesight to even drive. This is his last contract – no chance to sign another. He should give up 6.5 million for the good of the Cardinals?

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he should have been traded to the mets

so that Luddy could play every day. Then he wouldn’t be hurt.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all knotted at 37

cmon APu, you can still get to 40 homers/.360

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i forgot andujar was #47

Has anyone else had that number since, besides luddy?

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

floppy, floppy, floppy

way to suck management in

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ten run sundays!

i honestly wouldn’t mind seeing floppy on the team next year.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 28, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

depends on whether

we are looking at the real floppy or just the pseudo-floppy who wiping out his accumulated performance deficit for the year. i’m afraid it is the latter.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Iz2 or Floppy?

If we have to resign one of them, who would you rather have back? Both are finishing their seasons well, but I wouldn’t put stock in in carrying over to next season.

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

experiencing a nagging urge

to combine them into one player.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think the issue is

we sign floppy to play second, still have ak’s salary on the books, and we can’t get a real ss, so have to resign iz2 or hand it to ryan (haha)

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Floppy

As annoying as his defensive mistakes are, his bat is so much better than Iz2 that I can deal with it

by riotmute on Sep 28, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"go ahead -- google it"

doesn’t quite work here. Except for the hot part.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, Dusty Baker sucks

Did he really intentionally walk Pujols in a fucking meaningless game where Albert is vying for the MVP? What a jackass.

by cloistermaximus on Sep 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 more

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Especially after George Grande and Chris Welch

on Fox Ohio reported that Tony went to Dusty before the game and asked if it was okay to take Albert out at some point during the game for an ovation, to be replaced by Yadi.

Nice sportsmanship, Dusty. Thanks.

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 28, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow that is super lame

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 2:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

the wife and I overslept, so I know there are two empty bleacher seats out there

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 28, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thompson in relief of loshe

3 innings, one run (3.0 era). too bad it didn’t work out like that all year.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ill do both

the Rams dont start till like ;-)

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 28, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So where do the Cards stand

in the team batting avg. chase? Do they still have a chance to break the record, or did they miss out and I just didn’t hear about it?

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is everyone else aware that Jason LaRue

doesn’t like Jerry Hairston because he doesn’t like ‘the way he plays the game’?

He wants to punch Hairston but apparently other Cardinals told him not to. That’s what the FSN Ohio guys are saying.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HOw does Hairston "play the game?"

Besides poorly, ofcourse

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 28, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

santa delivers

on the last day

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 28, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TROY!!!

Just one more rbi to the century mark!

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Darnit

Jason, I wanted to see a fight on the last day.

by Phizzle on Sep 28, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Give it time

he’s going to beat the hell out of Hairston if it is the last thing he does.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atleast, I hope

cause I personally have wanted to do it for the same reasons as Jason for years.

That guy just ain’t right.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

LaRue should just tackle him the next time he comes up to bat? That would be fantastic.

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better get Villone up in the pen, just in case.

Only bullpen pitcher that warms up with a punching bag.

Obama/Pujols 2008.

by davethebutcher on Sep 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there more a headhunter on this team

than puppykicker?

His day will be short I think.

by enoscountry on Sep 28, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Motte can be the Cardinals' DJ King

Except with talent.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .259 .360 .378
Skip Schumaker: $Free .305 .361 .414
Skippy needs a new publicist

by joker24 on Sep 28, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

scoreboarding

Top 5th Houston leads by 2 (nooooo keep the dream alive! 3rd 3rd 3rd)
Mid 3rd Twinkies have 1 up on the Royals
Top 4th 3-1 ChiSox (c’mon Cleveland)
4th Cubs still have that 1 on the Crew, starting to shuffle through pitchers
And so far only the drizzle is winning in New York.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hit post too fast

Braves cut lead by 1 in the Juicebox.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now now

we want the Twins and ChiSox to do the same thing, no matter what it is. Then Chicago plays tomorrow and then we get 1 game playoff (hopefully!)

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or if CHW wins and MIN loses

then the White Sox would have to play tomorrow and could clinch it with a win.

by Phizzle on Sep 28, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KC coming in with a half-game lead

in their quest for Not-Last. They’re hungry.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

love the gratuitous plug for shannon's

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me to, but i do

appreciate his choice of pitchers today

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why was crab man held up at third?

he’s speedy… why be conservative?

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man

i sure would like to be wrong about this guy…

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baker

Damn well better not IBB Pujols here

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

Goonies was just on this morning on TBS

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I thought the same thing!

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey you guys

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 28, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the second coming of floppy on the last sunday of the year

were it not just a mirage because he probably has an 09 contract in his pocket now

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

M-V-P

Plain and Simple

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bye albert

see you soon.

Obama/Pujols 2008.

by davethebutcher on Sep 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ahhhh.... i missed 10 run sunday!

glad it’s back… too bad it’s the last game of the season

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

get on your feet for Albert

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

how can you pull albert when he is tied with Luddy for HR’s?

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

That’s too bad.

Obama/Pujols 2008.

by davethebutcher on Sep 28, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was planned...

but maybe Tony could’ve waited a little longer…would’ve been nice to see another run scored…especially after that…

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

albert will be mad

if ludwick hits a homerun and he won’t have the chance

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert won't care

That’s what makes him the best player in baseball.

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 28, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

not really, although I’m sure they’ll be some joking around about it

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If anything

He’ll be the first in the dugout to congratulate Luddy if he hits no. 38

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i thought he did it there

wouldn’t that have been awesome…

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn

How many two out runs is this now?

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fish and bears

Same score for Mets and Brewers. Both losing 1-0.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both trying to give it away.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Sep 28, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hose and twinks

Both winning by 2.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

done

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they did pull Luddy

No curtain call for the Thud?

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh man

that would piss me off if I was Luddy.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

now Ludwick can pass Pujols in both homeruns and rbis

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It shouldn't

it just shows that he gets on base often enough for Ludwick to drive him in.

Ryan Howard: one of the most Statistically Outstanding players of all time

by RunninRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets trail

 1-0

Marlins looking to add to the lead, 2nd and 3rd 1 out

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Sep 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

walked a run. 2-0

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can only kick puppies for 3 innings

it appears

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone think that Schu will be someone's starting CF next year?

some team has to have a need for an inexpensive center fielder that bats over .300

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 28, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with ~no

xb capability or ability to hit lhp

unless he can do something about the lhp issue, he is only a platoon player, which means he is likely back with cards, maybe platooning with barton as our lead off hitters

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hear the yanks want one

i’ll take cano thank you very much

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 28, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by the way

i know that will never happen

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 28, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think that framework is outrageous as it sounds

The NY Press has really turned on Cano big time and the guy did have a brutal year in a LH-hitter’s park…

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .259 .360 .378
Skip Schumaker: $Free .305 .361 .414
Skippy needs a new publicist

by joker24 on Sep 28, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea i was talking from our standpoint

skip offers more value than cano because of their contract situation

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 28, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

how about the white sox

however, skip may not be as “cheap” as we think, is there any possibility skip could be a super2?
I think his year’s of service is around 2.5…..don’t know what the 17% cut off will be, but he nay be close

by vances law on Sep 28, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my bad

i just checked cot’s and his service is only 1.051 wonder who I confused him with

by vances law on Sep 28, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he'll only be 1-2M the first time in Arb anyway

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

prediction

LaRue rips someone’s head off. Molina subbed in.
(Ok, only half of that is likely.)

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

any internet dollar bets

on whether the rams can score more points than the cardinals today?

by hex706f726368 on Sep 28, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha!

i’d take the cards.

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh boy
Senior baseball writer Joe Strauss has learned that the expected value of the contract is akin to the deal signed by Carlos Silva last offseason. Silva received a four-year, $48-million deal from Seattle. Sources have confirmed that the average annual value is worth better than $10 million.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .259 .360 .378
Skip Schumaker: $Free .305 .361 .414
Skippy needs a new publicist

by joker24 on Sep 28, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh boy is right.

Thought you were better than that, mo.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmm

that is a troubling blurb…pitching is just way to expensive

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 28, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it scares the hell out of me

there’s no doubt that the Carp injury upped the ante, though.

by chuckb on Sep 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sad in more ways than one

but true

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

crapmonkeys

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 28, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got to love our over reacting front office.

At least its not a trade of propects for a average starter.

by DriverZn on Sep 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, sort of

We lose at least one and possibly two 1st round compensation draft picks if we resign Lohse. The compensation system with generation of additional sandwich picks for FA’s strongly favors letting someone like Lohse go and replacing him with a different FA of equal ability (preferably a type B).

by apack on Sep 28, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry hardcore

HR ties Mets

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe this start

raises thompson’s trade value some

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i am unable to fathom why the hell kelvin "spanish for suck"

is pitching… does he have pictures of tlr kicking a puppy??

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 28, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ludwick getting pulled

I’ve been thinking about it for a few innings and am getting more and more irritated. Even if Tony didn’t want to give him one more AB to try to reach .300 or pass Pujols in HR, would it have been too much to ask to pull him in such a way as to let the crowd give him an ovation?

by random on Sep 28, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Luddy deserves the ovation

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Luddy deserves the ovation

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ap

was only one going to get that treatment, luddy hasn’t earned it
so sayeth the genius

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chavez makes a great catch

to end a Marlins threat and Brewers have the bases juiced w/ 1 out in the 7th — Corey Hart up. Man he’s ugly!

by chuckb on Sep 28, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Corey Hart strikes out

and hears it from the fans — a Jason Isringhausen boo-fest.

by chuckb on Sep 28, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's had a rough year

last time i looked, schumaker was out-OPSing him. I figured he’d be in the high .800s, low .900s this year.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lohse

So 4.5 + 48 = 52.5. Divided by 5 they get him at slightly over 10 million a year for 5 years. Seems market to me. Plus he’s had a year with Duncan so no angst on how he will get along with Duncan. Seems smart.

by The Duke on Sep 28, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a $4.5 M buyout on the option?

Wow! $52.5 guaranteed for 4 years? That’s insanely high!

by chuckb on Sep 28, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he's including

the 4.5 we paid him for this year.

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even so

silva clearly was more desirable and hasn’t exactly earned his pay this year

too much, i’d rather have blooper and the draft picks

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is correct

I think we should be happy we’ve filled a big hole. Now I would shoot the wad on CC.

by The Duke on Sep 28, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if this is true

then the wad has been shot, on a guy with a 4.76 career ERA. Unless dewitt has another wad he’s holding back.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt the wad has been shot

at most it is a 8M increase for Lohse next year, they should still have 2OM+ after raises if the 25-30M they have left to work with after all these contracts expire. I just like this signing more than giving it to another injury/reclamation project.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

they must be scared shi.less and/or have been blown off by blooper
don’t see any money left for fuentes in this

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i won't say you are delusional

but i see it as highly unlikely. gotta look at carp as lost/sunk dollars and with these dollars to lohe (~10% of total projected budget)

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

especially since

at this point, we are negotiating against ourselves. WTF is the hurry?

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ump tells Larue

To put the brass knuckles away.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and there's Yadi

Toldja. On your feet.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think I'd mind

Affeldt being our lefty reliever next year.

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

larue too

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yadi sighting

what was his injury again? is it worth a final game plate appearance?

by mattybobo on Sep 28, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chipper Jones

Is chipper hurt or are they just not playing him so he can win the batting title? Maybe they are not playing him since they are way out, but he hasn’t been playing for 4,5 games i think.

by hghnad on Sep 28, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fish beating up mets. brewers 1 man on, still tied.

both in the 8th.
AL wilds holding steady.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

back to back home runs

off of two different awful relief pitchers. What an awful bullpen the Mets have.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

worse than ours?

i’m asking this as a serious question.

by Phizzle on Sep 28, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there's alot of bad to go around

the pale hose pen is pushing ozzie over the edge too

by vances law on Sep 28, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fair question

Who’s got the worst pen in baseball?

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

according to espn

Mets have a 4.24 era and cardinals are 1 rank better at 4.18

by hghnad on Sep 28, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

mets bullpen gave up more runs in less innings.

by hghnad on Sep 28, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan Braun

2 run jack. 3-1 Brewers.

by chuckb on Sep 28, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shea cryin'

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

twins on their way

4-0 going into 8th.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the dream! nooo.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh

Third place slips from our grasp.

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 28, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4th

but not bad enough to hit the bottom (top?) 15 FA draft protection

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crew takes it

CC goes 122 pitches.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was thinking that,

if i was the brews i woulda let him out there until his arm fell off….i don’t buy into LaRussa’s save the magic bullet.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Sep 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that is crap.

Should have been the best pitcher they had available.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crew still couldn't do anything till the 7th

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

screw the scoreboard

It’s Motte time.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i love how he walks

halfway to home plate after every pitch… that has to be intimidating.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know it's scary

When LaRue has to calm him down.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets down to their last three outs

It’ll be up to David Wright, Nick Evans and Ramon Martinez.

by Phizzle on Sep 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so when does the "ryan braun MVP"

talk start?

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holy crap Iz2

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW!

Ok, that was beautiful!

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

slow roller waaaay in the gap

izturis gets to it, spins, leaps and throws him out by a step.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

across the freakin diamond

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way to end the year IZ2

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 28, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Render unto Cesar

that which is Cesar’s…

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it took someone 162 games to drop that

what the heck took so long?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 28, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my family has that joke

Not sure about VEB.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure...

I’ve been using that a lot lately…and really, I’m not sure why.

Question is, what should he be rendered? A Gold Glove? A contract extension?

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 28, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no!!!!!!

to the contract extension.

a pat on the back should be rendered for that play

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 28, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but only that

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 28, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would just like to note

That David Wright’s eyeblack is running like Tammy Faye’s. Still top ninth.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awww, skip

not helping troy’s RBI chase today.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

remember how slow glaus started

he is still gonna finish at .270/ 27/ 99…thats pretty good…if he plays the whole season next year like he did the last half this year, our offense is going to look pretty sharp

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 28, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he'll start the year

with his special STL night-time allergy glasses?

by TNTinCO on Sep 28, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he better hope Izzy didn't rig it up

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wanna see Stache & Ronny V tackle someone

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in a perfect world, it would be bill hall

but i guess we’ll have to settle for dusty

by Phizzle on Sep 28, 2008 4:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know, as much as we dogged franklin this year

he still finished #18 in all of MLB in BP’s WXRL (reliever Win Expectation above Replacement, Lineup-adjusted), less than 1/10th of a win worse than Papelbon.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 28, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's also 103rd in Relievers Expected Runs

He’s useful in the right spots, he’s not a closer.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .259 .360 .378
Skip Schumaker: $Free .305 .361 .414
Skippy needs a new publicist

by joker24 on Sep 28, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions action