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Okay, show of hands, everyone. Who here was surprised to see Ryan Franklin give up that homer? Anyone? No? Well, that's fine. I wasn't either. In fact, I honestly turned to my father (who I was watching the game with last night), and said, "Tie game" the second Franklin gave up the base hit. Sometimes the train sneaks up on you. Other times, it comes roaring out of the tunnel, lights blazing and whistle shrieking. It just so happened to be one of those second times last night.

With that blown save, the 2008 Cardinals tied the franchise record for blown saves at thirty one. Sadly, barring something truly bizarre happening, they won't get a chance to take a shot at the all time record, which is something like 37 for one of those mid 90s Colorado teams I think. Hey, a record's a record, damnit.

I'm just going to come right out and say it. I can't think of a thing to say about this team this morning that we haven't already been over. It's one of the occupational hazards this time of year. So I thought that we could maybe look at the 2008 Cardinals and give out the season awards. So, without further ado (or a patented Red Baron overblown intro), here are your 2008 St. Louis Cardinal season award winners.

Most Valuable Player- Albert Pujols

Honestly, can there be anyone else? I'll give an honourable mention to Ryan Ludwick, who did an outstanding job for the Cards this season, but Albert is the straw that stirs the Cardinals' drink.

It's been said before, and I'll say it again, Albert is underappreciated. And that's no small feat, really, considering the accolades that are consistently heaped on his shoulders. Still, though, no other player in baseball puts up the numbers that he does year after year, with the reliability of a metronome. If AP doesn't win the MVP in the National League this year, it will be a complete travesty. No such worries though about the Cards' award.

How about an 1.109 OPS? Is that good enough to finally get him another trophy? Or will his superior play be trumped by the home run totals and coastal advantage of Ryan Howard? I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

Cy Young Award- Todd Wellemeyer

This was actually sort of a tough one, to be honest. I gave a lot of consideration to Kyle Lohse and Adam Wainwright for this award as well as the Colonel.

Lohse made two more starts than Wellemeyer and threw fifteen more innings, which very nearly tipped the scales in his favour. Welley, though, led the team in ERA and strikeouts. Both pitchers started out strong, then struggled in the second half of the season. Both also managed to rebound and finish out strong.

Wainwright got consideration because I still think he was probably the Cards' best pitcher this season. He lost only three times all year, and had an ERA that was lower than someone like, oh, I don't know, Brandon Webb, who will most likely win his second NL Cy Young award this year. Unfortunately for the Wagonmaker, those two and a half months he missed do count, and I just couldn't give the award to a guy who made only twenty starts, compared to over thirty for the other two candidates. Even more unfortunately for the Cardinals, if Wainer stays healthy, I'm pretty sure the team finds a way to get in to the postseason.

So the award goes to Wellemeyer, by the slimmest of margins. You could make an argument either way for the Colonel or Lohse, but I just think Welley was a bit more dominant at times this season. So congratulations, Todd. If you had told me back in March that I would be giving Todd Wellemeyer the Cards' CY award, well, honestly, I'm not sure what I would have said. However, I am absolutely certain that it wouldn't have been polite, nor reflected well on the state of your intelligence.

Rookie of the Year- Kyle McClellan

This one, as opposed to the Cy Young, was easy. Not as easy as it might have been in years past, when the Cards simply didn't have any rookies, but still not that tough of a call to make.

For the better part of the year, Kyle McClellan was not only the best rookie on the team, he was the single best pitcher in the bullpen, period. Sadly, his September swoon has severely damaged his overall statistical line for the year, as well as throwing a bit of doubt into some hats about his long term outlook.

At the end of August, McClellan's ERA stood at 3.16. Even at that point, it was on the way up, from just 2.91 on the fifteenth of the month. In September, McClellan has made only six appearances, and been unscored upon only once, in a contest against the Pirates on the 13th. His final ERA stands at 4.04, and his won/loss record at 2-7. Neither one, I think, truly represent just how well K-Mac has pitched this season. Early in the season, though, he often represented the only good choice in the bullpen, and racked up the appearances accordingly. Unfortunately, it looks like it may have taken a toll on Kyle.

While it would be outstanding if McClellan could transition back into the starting rotation, as Azru talked about yesterday, I have to admit that I worry about his ability to hold up over that many innings over the course of a season. Either way, K-Mac was outstanding this year, and deserves a ton of praise for his efforts.

Comeback Player of the Year- Troy Glaus

Remember what it was like when the Cardinals traded Scott Rolen for Troy Glaus? There were a lot of us wondering if the Cardinals got the short end of the stick in the deal. Personally, I was happy that Mozeliak was able to get such a good return for a player who clearly had no chance of sticking around here, but Glaus' medical history did give me pause nonetheless.

Or how about in the middle of April, when Glaus hadn't hit a home run yet? We all wondered where his vaunted power had gone. The spectre of PEDs was even raised a time or two.

Well, it's pretty clear now that the Cardinals came out on the better end of that deal, big time. Glaus had an excellent season for the Cards, by pretty much any measure you care to use. For one, his glove was far, far better than I was expecting, and I think he should probably win the Gold Glove in the NL this year. I don't think he will, but I think he should.

He'll end the season with 25+ home runs, a number that very well could have been higher if not for that odd early season outage, and close to 100 RBIs. I will say, he has to be the streakiest player I've seen since Jim Edmonds back in his glory days.

In the end, it was about as good a season as you could have hoped for from the Cards' new third baseman. Certainly a long way from where he was at the end of last season to the end of this one.

Reliever of the Year- Russ Springer

I considered Kyle McClellan for this one; I really did. Heck, I believe I said earlier that K-Mac was probably the best reliever the Cards had this year. Still, though, when you're looking for that one guy who, night after night, came in to put out the fires started by his bullpen brethren, you just have to acknowledge the year that Russ Springer has had.

For starters, how about a 2.37 ERA? I don't care what sort of measure you go by; that's awfully good. All season, Springer was the guy who came in to get the last out in an inning that was rapidly going bad. For the season, he allowed only eleven of forty five inherited runners to score, probably a more meaningful statistic, honestly. There's a very nice preview of the 2009 Bill James Handbook over at SI.com that shows Springer to be among the elite relievers in the game this season, in pretty much every category imaginable.

I will freely admit it; I was against the resigning of Russ Springer when it happened. It was too much money for a guy who was too old and just wasn't as good as his salary and the Cards just gave the guy the extra money because Russ wanted to play here, and blah blah blah. Well, can you imagine now where the Cardinal bullpen might be without Russ Springer? Personally, I don't even really want to consider it. Was his performance worth the $3.5 million that the Cards paid him this year for his services? Well, that's a much tougher question, and one that ends up having a lot to do with your philosophy on how to construct a successful relief corps.

What I do know is that the Cardinals should have an excess of righthanded relievers to choose from for next season. Of the three veterans in the 'pen, Izzy, Franklin, and Springer, Springer is the only one I want to see in a Cardinal uni next season. Trade Franklin and give Izzy a gold watch, but I would really like to see Springer again. Particularly in a 'pen that could be really, really young, the Cards could do a whole lot worse than to bring back Russ.

Okay, everybody. Those are my season awards. Probably not too very many of them are all that shocking, but I like taking the time to acknowledge the contributions of those players who helped to make this such a gratifying season in so many ways. It may not have turned out quite like we had hoped, but the players here did everything they could to make it better than most of us thought.

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McClellan had rookie of the year wrap up

the moment he road the cooler to the bullpen.

by Evilfrog on Sep 27, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what gets me

He still rides it out there. There are plenty of other rooks to pawn it off to.

- Y.2.2

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by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

but the cooler has his number on it.

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 27, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"weeeeeeeee!!!"

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perez?

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah here's KMac

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by gdm426 on Sep 27, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barf- from STL Today - "La Russa warns relievers"

Tony just doesn’t get it, does he? Telling these kids they’ll have to work hard to make the team? They’ve worked hard, and produced results. We can’t have a team full of overpriced veterans.

Throughout September, manager Tony La Russa has sent subtle messages to his young relievers by how they’ve been used and by publicly playing down their later-inning roles.

On Friday, he stopped being subtle.

“They’ve got to understand they don’t have a foot in the door (of the majors),” La Russa said. “They’ve got a couple toes.”

by rencelas on Sep 27, 2008 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

other quotes on the subject

Manager Tony La Russa likes the potential of the young bullpen arms, but emphasizes that guys like Perez, Motte and McClellan will have to respond in a big way next spring and build on what they did in ’08.

La Russa mentioned that inexperienced position players like Ryan Ludwick, Rick Ankiel, Skip Schumaker and Brendan Ryan all responded this year in Spring Training after encouraging glimpses in ’07.

“They didn’t take anything for granted,” La Russa said.

by Evilfrog on Sep 27, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

er...

that didn’t come out like I wanted:


Manager Tony La Russa likes the potential of the young bullpen arms, but emphasizes that guys like Perez, Motte and McClellan will have to respond in a big way next spring and build on what they did in ’08.

La Russa mentioned that inexperienced position players like Ryan Ludwick, Rick Ankiel, Skip Schumaker and Brendan Ryan all responded this year in Spring Training after encouraging glimpses in ’07.

“They didn’t take anything for granted,” La Russa said.

by Evilfrog on Sep 27, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked it better

with everything struck out.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG, how dare Larussa say that!

Some people around here are out of control. I can’t belive how people try to read between the lines on every quote in the paper these days… WOW

Hey I don’t think it’s a good idea for TLR to be around in 2009 just because it seems anitclimatic. I think the organization has a long term plan and Larussa does not have a long term contract. Also Larussa may or may not be the best person to carry out the long term plan.

However I am not going to post stupid quotes all over the place and good off like an idiot about how Larussa wants to cut off the head of every rookie on the team.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 27, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry..

I am just getting tired of sifting through this type of crap on this blog. I know I can easily ignore it, but it gets old. If someone is going to cut and past stuff from an article at least make sure you do it so it’s in context.

I swear some people post crap just to get some big reaction out of people. I also fell people cut and paste stuff that is not in full as shown by EVILFROG.

I don’t come here to start stuff with people as I respect everyone even if I don’t agree with them all the time. That’s half the fun, not being in agreement and then having someone post a quick stat to back up what they are saying. That is the reason I come here.

I don’t come here to read BS that’s cut from the post dispatch and pasted here. And if someone wants to do that, at least get the whole quote so there is proper context.

I am sorry, but I feel a lot of people just want to get a reaction around here anymore. This is not a meatball fan, site so people quit treating it that way. The guys who make the daily posts do a great job of doing research and writing thoughtful insightful stuff to hopefully get a lot of good discussion going. Some of the stuff I have seen cut and pasted on here lately is NOT, in the best interest of the blog or the guys who take their precious free time to run this site.

Sorry, maybe I need to just stay a way for a while… Who knows

by ICbirdfan on Sep 27, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was saying EVILFROG did a great job of posting the whole quote/tidbit....

EVILFROG did not try to get reaction. He wanted a balanced response and let everyone see the WHOLE context of the article.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 27, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like it's working

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tbh

im getting sick of this shit.

how are thiese kids supposed have any confidence when the team doenst have any in them?
Its clear he doesnt wasnt them around and would rather let a guy who is polished with no talent and no rrom for improvement than let a kid make a mistake.
Its kind ofa joke at this point.

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe I made that sound too harsh

But I just dont like that Tony seems to expect the kids to be perfect.

he has made it clear he doesnt want kids here to learn on the job, (what was the exact quote he said?)
thats fine but I dont want middle infielders in the outfield either but sometimes you dont get what you want and you have to do whats ultimately better for the team. And only one of those two things would help this team in anyway.

it just seems like these rookies not only have to fight against the league when they get here but against management and thats not fair.

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that is just it.....

YOU don’t get what you want. YOU’RE opinion of the team, or who YOU want to see in the OF, doesn’t mean squat. And neither does mine. Or anybody else that posts here. TLR is the guy getting paid to manage/coach this team. The buck ends with him, therefore really, at the end of the day, it is HIS decision on who does what, and for the most part, what the roster make-up should look like.

By all accounts, given preseason expectations and injuries, this team has overachieved by a decent margin. That is something we all need to keep in mind.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 27, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like TLR but

I hope we have a new manager next year. Oquendo?

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by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said I dislike Tony, infact I think he has been an excellent manager

but some of this stuff is just counterproductive.

We all know

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...franklin cant close games

very well and isnt going to be an option in the future, these games right now dont count for squat except getting people experiance….

so why on Earth is Franklin out there blowing games?

I dunno, im not a manager and Tony knows more about baseball than I ever will.

Also Why the hell are Kennedy and Miles ect playing the OF when they had Stavi and Barton on the bench? I dont think they are great players but really…?

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy is hot, his value is rising

I think they’re just showcasing him to set up a trade.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cant believe anyone would aquire Kennedy as an OF

I could see someone getting him as a utility player, but just sticking a guy in the OF randomly doesnt make him valuable there or raise his value.
Let him play 2b.

Its not like he is a great fielder in the OF and just now got to show it off to up his value.

and I dont remember if we were “in it” when he was out there but if that was the case play him at 2nd where he is better, you dont showcase a player for trade in a crunch situation.

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Franklin?

Because if he blows a save, he is veteran enough to probably not let it affect him next year when he goes back to not closing. Can the same be said about Perez? Or maybe Perez’ arm is tired. I can come up with a few reasons why trotting Franklin out there isn’t the worst thing in the world, considering we aren’t playing for a playoff spot.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 27, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Qustion is: WHY FRANKLIN?

BECAUSE (in caps, for effect) HIS STUPID EFFING VETERAN HEAD EFFING SUCKS AS A CLOSER AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL CLOSER FOR 2009 THAT SHOULD BE CONTINUING TO GET A SHOT AT CLOSING.

It’s that funking simple.

It’s not the worst thing in the world (nuclear holocaust), but it’s getting there.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet.....

There is a GOOD chance that Perez has a tired arm, and if not, why would you risk ruing a kid that is clearly not throwing well? Blowing save after save…..probably about as detrimental as anything to a young player in MLB. Heck, it even broke Izzy’s spirit earlier this year.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 27, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perez

looked pretty good last time out.

Like “BETTER THAN RYAN FRANKLIN” good, if one can believe that.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to get perez's minor league stats(wireless sucks)

He appeared in 40 games and pitched 40.2 innings in the majors. Combine that with AAA and this is probably the most he has ever pitched.

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by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll buy Perez may (may) be wearing down this season

And if that’s the case, use Motte in the 9th and see what he’s made of. Heck, use Springer.

The point is, don’t use a guy who has failed consistently closing games, and has gone on record saying that he’s not comfortable closing and pretends it’s the 7th or 8th inning when he’s out there.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I wonder if they’re holding on to the hope that franklin will finish the season strong have a good spring and be closing for us next year.

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by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perez

2004- 18.2 innings
2005- 45.2
2006- between miami and quad cty 82 inn
2007- 54.2
2008- 66

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by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Perez play in some sort of

summer league in college? I would imagine his innings for ’04 and ’05 are higher than that. FWIW, the best college players play in summer leagues that are probably tougher than their college seasons.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Sep 27, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if I recall correctly he had a suspension and a decent injury in that span as well. Matter in fact, the injury actually got him out of the starters role and into closing if i recall correctly.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Sep 27, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if so

they qualify as clinically delusional

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by sportsman on Sep 27, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if they do

there will be a lot more nights like last night. They will have to have a lot more bobblehead days to keep fans coming. I was amazed at how many people picked up the bobblehead and left. There were tons that didn’t even bother getting the hand stamped to get back in. The announced att. was 44,000+, but it didn’t look like there could have been more than 35-40,000 people there.
That is pathetic for the last series of the year.

I am not blaming Franklin, like AlzFritz said, he seems to know he isn’t a closer, but Tony can’t figure it out.
I was amazed that Motte threw 9(?) pitches in the 8th, but was not brought back out for the 9th.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and what good is perez's confidence if he never gets a shot?

i agree on the tiredness issure though;-)

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, technically

I guess blowing two saves in a row is blowing save after save. Since his recall from Memphis, Perez has seven saves (including six in a row), two blown saves and a loss when he entered a tie game. Since Perez was recalled, Franklin has three saves, two blown saves, and two other losses from tie games. Perez six consecutive saves is the best by a Cardinal this year.

If Perez’s arm his tired he should be shut down, period.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Sep 27, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

didn’t realize franklin has been that bad lately. are the # of/type of opportunities similar as well?

One thing I hate about the blown save stat is that giving up one run in a 4-3 game with a man on 3rd when you enter is the same as giving up 3 runs in a game that you enter with no one on or out.

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by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good pt.

I know there are tons of stats already, but some cross-tabulation will help to refine some of the popular stats.

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by totalloser on Sep 27, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why the hell does anyone bother on commenting on here then

LaRussa’s can’t be wrong because he is the manager? None of our opinions matter , so we should all just keep our fingers shut.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly. why can't we question moves & actions of those in charge?

the blind loyalty to TLR is puzzling. i love the guy, but he ain’t Jesus as a select few here believe he is. the guy is doing everything he can to get MO to pay up for KRod or Fuentes. how some people can’t see that is beyond me.

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by gdm426 on Sep 27, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but please read the article

Tony is clearly saying that the rookies can’t take the offseason off and just take for granted the fact they’ll make the team. He actually wants them to work and improve in the offseason. How is this a bad thing?

“Every one of those (outfielders) went to spring training fired up to build on how they finished, and if they didn’t take advantage of it, they would have been in Memphis,” La Russa said. “If (the relievers) think they’re coming to spring training and can take something for granted, they’ve got another thing coming.”

by birdo rojo on Sep 27, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because it doesnt even need to be said.

does it?

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by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably not to the paper

but it’s a trivial thing, regardless. Every manager and coach in the league is most likely saying that stuff in the locker room.

TLR just seems to have a problem figuring out where he is and who he is talking to, nowadays…

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by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

it doesn’t need to be said in the papers if it has already been said in the locker room.
What good reason is there for saying it in the papers?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because a reporter asked him

sheesh.

you guys overblow this stuff me thinks.

by paposse on Sep 27, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double sheesh

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry about the dripping sarcasm there

I just think that is one of those questions that does not need to be answered in the press. They know what they need to do, Tony knows what they need to do, the whole fanbase knows what they need to do. It is just more stuff that should be kept in the locker room.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the P-D article

doesn’t make it clear in what context TLR’s comments were made. Was it from the post game news conference? If so, did anybody see it and hear what, if any, question was actually asked?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Sep 27, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet

Somehow guys like Franklin, Flores, Jiminez, Isringhausen, etc., can fail terribly time after time and yet WOULD expect to make the team out of Spring Training next year because they’re veterans?

by rencelas on Sep 27, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, how about Izturis

he was awful in the Spring, I mean flat out AWFUL yet Tony went out of his way to defend him and say that he was making the team no matter what. He went as far to blame terrible groundskeeping in Florida for Izturis’ misfortunes.

Think he’d go out of his way to do the same for Brendan Ryan?

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izturis has had a solid year

Tony said it himself, so it must be so.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Izturis was a GG winner.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 27, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. So GG has meaning now?

Guess Yadi sucks :(.
Lee must be better than Albert
We should have kept Rolen over Glaus this year.

Come on.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Sep 27, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAS, key word

and to get off point, kinda

anyone else see that play last night in the 9th when Franklin gave up that single up the middle? From my seat, it looked like that Izturis gave up on that ball, on the replays did it look like he could have given an effort and made a play on it, or was it out of his range?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was also

-the worst hitter in baseball over the last 5 years
-cut by the Pirates (the worst team in our own division

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 27, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iz2 Overall

 .264/.322/.311 and 24 steals. And his D has been solid. I did make fun of TLR’s comments on Iz2 during spring training, but I think I was mistaken. I was really rooting for BR over Iz2, but again, I was wrong. I do hope BR gets a chance, at least to be super-sub next year.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Sep 27, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think it's decided either way

Ryan has been bad offensively (.588 OPS) but izturis’ .619 OPS has not been much better. Certainly not $3.5M better.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those stats are only decent because

(and decent is a stretch , unless you are only looking at average. A .322 OBP and .311 slugging is pathetic for an everyday player) Izturis has had a pretty good year batting RH. The problem is that he has gotten 243 ABs as a lefty when those stats go to an even more dismal .243 .303. .280. And he has gotten far more ABs batting lefty than righty.

I really hope that MO looks at those stats and his career numbers and lets him walk.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Iz was a stop gap for an ’08 team in a “transitional” year. No need to keep using him if we can improve going into ’09.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Sep 27, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert leads Ryan

by over 100 points in each of these categories: AVG, OBP, and SLG. Albert has nearly a 300 point lead in OPS! Ryan also has struck out more than 100 times more than Albert. That there’s even a question about which should get MVP is amazing. Howard isn’t even the most valuable player on his own team, let alone the NL.

by lawman3842 on Sep 27, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If jroll and chase hit in front of albert

he would probably have 200 rbi

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and if albert hit 4th

instead of 3rd, he’d probably have 130 even with the guys we have.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen

to that

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Sep 27, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my math is bad

How are we at catching Houston in the standings?

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We...

have to win 2 they have to lose 2. Then we have them by a half game since they won’t make up the game with the Schlubs. I believe that is correct.

by Cards67 on Sep 27, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How in the world did Houston even end up there?

They historically finish strong. This year, they lost Lee and gained Wolf. Seems like they should have crashed, but they did finish strong-again.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Sep 27, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Well it’s something to shoot for…

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert Pujols: Most Underrated Player in the League

His day in Cooperstown should make up for his lack of MVPs.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Coastal Advantage

It’s all about the media and the analysis for the masses. Howard plays for a team that has shown resiliency all year and finished strong to make the playoffs, and he plays right in the middle of the highest media concentration in the world. Hackneyed TV baseball types like McCarver try to distinguish between MVP and MI(Important)P, but the fact is that Midwest teams bar the Cubs get little sustained coverage through the year and fewer national TV games, unless they are in it at the end. Can we extrapolate how many games under .500 we would be without Albert? That alone makes him MVP. Heck on the west coast they are seriously considering Manny Ramirez as an MVP candidate without the mention of APu in most columns. Statistically he is peerless, and on top of it all he should also be the GG winner at first. If Howard were in the AL he probably wouldn’t even be on the field on defense most of the time.

by CAredbird on Sep 27, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Allstar, MVP, It's all about hype these days

Come on,fukudome allstar starting outfield

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has there been ANY mention of Glaus' foot problems?

It’s great to have a healthy 3rd baseman.

by sdrone on Sep 27, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've seen a lot of good nicknames this year on VEB

puppy kicker, the mang, santa glaus, colonel. Who else am I leaving out?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

grit

how could i forget him

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabman!

I wish Brian Barden looked like another “My Name is Earl” character so things could be even more confusing.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer Cardinaut

I’m still waiting for the perfect nicknames to distinguish Barton and Barden.

Also I really dig Motte’s: saucier
(I think it’s pronounced like we say Sauget? Right?)

wiki: A Saucier [sosˈje] is a position in the classical brigade style kitchen, which is still used in large commercial kitchens such as some restaurants. It can be translated into English as sauce chef. This position prepares sauces, stews and hot hors d’œuvres and sautés food to order. Although it is the highest position of the station cooks, the saucier is still considered subordinate to the chef and the sous-chef.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does anyone know what Brian Barden looks like?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a rumor

The weirdest part is their full initials are exactly the same too. B.D.B.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah....I saw him once ont the TV

he wears number 23. Did anyone check in Cleveland?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Barden =

Keyzer Soze

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what is Stavi's name?

Maxi-miles?

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Sep 27, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well earlier

It was Stav Infection. I’m not sure how it plays these days…

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote for Studwick

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Sep 27, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young Pitcher, Tadallion, and Joey Bombs

even if they are not VEB originals

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where did 'Joey Bombs' come from?

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's mather's actual nickname

at least, they called him that in memphis.

by Phizzle on Sep 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aha Memphis. thanks!

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colby Rasmus

or ‘Satan’ as he is referred to at Tony’s postgame dinners, gave Joe that nickname.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 27, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

redbirds says

It’s from Mike Lindskog…?

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that's true

I know that it first surfaced from Colby, if memory serves me right. Maybe he heard the broadcaster call him that or the broadcaster heard Colby call him that. I don’t know.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 27, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that too

i thought mather was quoted at future redbirds as saying it came from colby?

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JIm Hayes did an interview with him on FSN

and Bombs said that some guy in A ball gave it to him (the Mike Lindskog maybe? ) and that some coaches and Colby kept it up. If I remember correctly. I am gonna have to go look that up now.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe AA ball

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe that actually started

Down in Springfield last year

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Sep 27, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So who gets the VEB awards?

best quote, most posts, best avatar(hardcore legend), most likely to start an argument , best haiku, ect…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Sep 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

best quote

GDM, 2 years running
most likely to start an argument…me?
best haiku? Tough one

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks. i'll add if westcoastbirdwatcher doesn't win something

then these end of the year awards are about as meaningless as the Cy Young’s & MVP’s.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 27, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i miss WCBW.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do too

I wonder what he’s doing right now???

by birdo rojo on Sep 27, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same thing he does every night, rojo

plots with scott boras to take over the world.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santana

Walks Hanley Ramirez to load bases, and gets out of jam. Middle 5th, 2-0 Mets.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, johan was getting squeezed

pretty badly there. Hanley should have K’d.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johan is amazing

he’s still going strong with 8 shutout innings under his belt – all on 3 days’ rest after throwing 125 pitches in his last outing.

I guess it’s better to make the playoffs with your ace worn out than to not make it at all, right?

by lawman3842 on Sep 27, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sure wish we had given up

the players the mets gave up to get him…

how was that ball that reyes just hit foul? That should have been an RBI double or triple. It definitely hit the line.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

117 pitches

Short rest, no problem. Man!

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why there's not more Cy talk about Santana

Maybe there has been and I’ve just missed it, but from what I’ve heard most writers are only talking about Lincecum and Webb.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 27, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should be considered.....

but he doesn’t have the most wins. On the other hand, he’s gotten the most winsor kept his team in the game when it mattered the most.

I think Minnesota is missing him about now…..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Sep 27, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next year's Pen?

Predictions?

Mine:

RHP Perez
RHP Motte
RHP McClellan
RHP Franklin
RHP Kinney
LHP Villone (Tony loves his vets)
LHP Free Agent

I think Springer wants to retire right? Thought I read that… If not I’d bring him back.

by paposse on Sep 27, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My thinking

RHPs: Motte, McClellan, Franklin, Kinney, FA
LHPs: Villone, FA

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 27, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we really need to have at least one spot

open for the memphis shuttle. Someone has to throw those innings of “baseball that doesn’t matter”, and it shouldn’t be kinney/springer/motte/perez/KMC/franklin very often because we’ll need them available in SEP/OCT. Plus it gives us a chance to see guys like boggs, todd, salas, walters, etc.

I guess KMC, perez and Motte (and maybe kinney) all have options, but they are too good to be sending down. Maybe not perez, yet, but he will be.

Anyway, my vote would be one LOOGY – a good one, for once, from FA or trade (marte?) – and then your top 5, and {rookie slot}. Springer could fill {rookie slot} and take regular scheduled DL trips, or do a roger clemens “i’ll join the team in july” thing and I wouldn’t be upset.

Tyler Johnson might merit consideration at some point as well.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thompson has been filling a pretty solid shuttle role, where is he next year?

I really hope Boggs works on a changeup over the off season. Even if he had a ML average changeup going into next year it should clean up the massive LHB splits he’s faced with. Clean up those splits and you have a #4 type pitcher easily, with upside and cost controlled years.

With a change he’s an innings eater, without he’s a relief guy and one that scares ya vs LHB.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Sep 27, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheets out in third

4-zip cubs.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

stepped out for a bit

And there’s Dave Bush on the mound.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

that could be sheets’ last start as a brewer, too.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is going to pitch the 1 game playoff on

Monday for both teams?

Mets – ?
Brewers – ?

C.C. has to go tomorrow for Milwaukee, so he, Sheets, Bush and Gallardo, Suppan are out of the running. Is it Parra?

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 27, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who wins that sausage race, indeed

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one ot those teams has to win tomorrow

right??

right????

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 27, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the answer is no!

Parra starts the 7th.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lilly throwing a no-hitter at the brew crew

Man, do they tighten up when the pressure is on them or what?

by cloistermaximus on Sep 27, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Maybe Lilly should sign with the Brewers.. Seems to like that park

by cloistermaximus on Sep 27, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Betty hits Braun with a pitch.

Could it happen to a more deserving guy? I don’t think so.

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 27, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

send 'im a six pack

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Dog

I really really like Troy Glaus. I’ve followed him since his Angels days. But I get tired of seeing him get frustrated at the plate and toss or slam his bat. I wish he would just run to first base instead of showing his frustration. Maybe I’ll buy him a Nerf cooler and Nerf bat so he can take it out in the dugout.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Sep 27, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's a little wound tight, that one

To some extent, so’s Ankiel. I was watching some of the 2006 footage, and it struck me that they had a lot of guys who kept the clubhouse loose. (I mean, So Taguchi was having fun in there.) With TLR the first to coil up come fall, it’s worth thinking about clubhouse chemistry. Not saying that Albert and Yadi aren’t loose, but I get the impression that they’re not going to ask for the proverbial Manny, since they just perform in any situation.

Just going on my gut, if we ever fall into a deep rut, Glaus and Ankiel will be the first guys to start unhinging. (I apologize for not rhyming the last bit.)

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

might be a good argument for signing O-cab

he’s supposed to be a reggie-sanders kind of clubhouse guy.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 27, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last chance, twinkies!

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DP bottom 9th

Man on third. Up to Morneau.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh dude

Royals take it.
Cleveland and ChiSox tied at 1 going into the third.

- Y.2.2

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 27, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morning - wake up with hangover, CP serves up a 9th inning HR. Hell of a way to start the day . .. but it's been a good season, no?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 27, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5 in a row. . .way to go

out

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 27, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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