Arizona Diamondbacks @ St. Louis Cardinals GameThread, Sep 23, 2008 8:15 PM EDT

Game 157 Open Thread: Sept 23, 2008

by lboros on Sep 23, 2008 7:00 PM EDT Comment 185 comments

Arizona Diamondbacks @ St. Louis Cardinals


Johnson	Lohse
10-9, 3.99	14-6, 3.76

i didn’t quite realize this, but the cards’ team batting average this year (.277 with 6 games to go) is borderline historic. in the last 50 years, only two st. louis teams have topped it: the 2003 and 2004 teams (.279 and .278, respectively). to pull their average to .278, the 2008 club will need to bat about .300 over the last 6 games; to get to .279, they’ll need to hit roughly .318 from here on out. the last st louis team to bat .280 or higher over the course of a full season was the ’54 club, which batted .281. that was the 2008 cardinals’ average entering september; they’re batting just .253 this month. pujols is batting .254., his worst month since april of last year (.250).

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Randy forgot to put SPF 30 on his nose

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 23, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I sure am glad

we’ve got that big arm in right!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought that was Miles

in right. It’s Stavinoha? ’Bout time!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Game on!!!

It’s kinda hard to get the enthusiasm up these days, eh?

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 23, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

especially when you have to watch floppy play 2nd, much less ss or of

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Floppy!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh, sweet Jeebus

Can we just call the rest of the games and avoid any freak injuries?

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 23, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you mean they haven't and are actually playing these games to win?

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heh...

didn’t have to wait long tonight for Lopez’s misplay of the game. Gonna be real fun next year, watching him for the whole season…

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro

by DiscoJer on Sep 23, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

help me out here

exactly what is tlr learning from playing floppy, how little it will cost to sign him?

seems be better to playing ak, at least he’s under contract and could be traded, ie, upping his value might be worth something. the present approach is just beyond my humble understanding

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When you are the 2nd best hitter on the team, currently.....

You can misplay a bunch of balls, and still deserve to be in the lineup.

We all know he needs work. He has the tools. There is no reason Oquendo can’t get him up to speed.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 23, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like to be optimistic sometimes

really I do, but Oquendo just can’t transform everyone into a good or even average defender.
Is it beyond the realm of possibility that Lopez can become a good defender? No
But his past history doesn’t suggest it is likely either.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You want a good laugh, get this: Did you know that Lopez was rated the best defensive high school short stop in the country his senior year by Baseball America in 1998?! Yeah, I laugh every time I remember that.

by mtzxc on Sep 23, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

I don’t have a problem w/ playing Lopez at 2b. I don’t even really have a problem seeing what he can do at short. But the idea that Oquendo’s going to make him a good defensive player is far-fetched, to say the least. The best hope is that he hits enough to compensate for his defensive shortcomings.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

all our coaches have magic pixie dust. Duncan fixes pitchers. Oquendo makes all infielders into ozzie smith and TLR gets the most out of every one of his players.

Get with the program HC.

by azruavatar on Sep 23, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am a bit slow on the uptake sometimes

don’t forget the fact that Hal McRae has remade Lopez into a middle of the order middle infielder! He’ll win a silver slugger under McRae’s tutelage next year.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see any reason.....

Lopez can’t become “average”.

Good arm strenght. Plenty athletic, good foot speed. I’ve seen him make some nice grabs. To me, it’s a matter of just being fundemental, having some confidence, and being expected to do it.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 23, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude, you cannot be serious can you?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Geez!

an intentional walk in the first f-ing inning? We deserve to give up a crooked # here!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sawasadee kop - good morning. Just tuned in. Appears the Cards' ace is in the hole

again. What a miserable way to end the season.. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In fairness to Lohse, he probably should have been out of the inning in three batters w/ a DP that didn't happen

going by what Shannon said, anyway…

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 23, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we get out of this half inning with no score,

I’m calling back-to-back-to-back by Lohse, LaRue, and Iz2 in the bottom of the inning. The momentum will be that big. Huge, I tell you!

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 23, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd still give you

credit for calling it if it happens next inning…An occurence like that would have to get the recognition it deserves

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about if they strike out back-to-back-to-back? Do I get any credit for that?

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 23, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure

I didn’t see any specifications on what back-to-back-to-back meant

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, it was certainly the case that they batted (and made outs) b2b2b

I’m going to claim a very, very small victory and call it a night.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 23, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Lopez

is blaming Hardee’s for him sucking in the field…Damn those thickburgers!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

no, thickburgers give plenty of contrast

it’s the biscuits and gravy

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't fault Floppy for that

Hardee’s sucks> Floppy’s d sucks

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

C'mon, Unit, throw to Pujols, just for fun...

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 23, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yay!

by tomsteele on Sep 23, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what did glaus just do?

did he break his bat when it hit him in the back?

by jheath on Sep 23, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Luddy!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

luddites rejoice

for the 35th time

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Little known facts

Many of the Luddites we sent to Australia during the time it was used as a penal colony.
Ryan Ludwick is originally from Australia.
Interesting.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

we=were

damn keyboard

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A fun ballgame!!!!!!

I’d forgotten what it felt like. (Especially since I missed the whacking of the cubs last week.)

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 23, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

C'mon Guys

that isn’t the way to improve your draft pick standing….Aw fuck it

LUDDYYYY!

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if they would put that on a jersey for me?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes they will

after all, money talks. and the Benjamin’s in your bank account say you can have it.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

tough luck AP - Looks like the Unit is settling in.. . .Can Cards hold on to a 4-run lead?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Evidence suggests:

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

young giveth

and young taketh away

i guess Kyle really does want to stay with the Cards. he’s pitching himself right back into their price range.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Spot on. 2-run lead??

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

very bad news on Carp

Strauss reporting it’s a career-threatening nerve condition:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/12DA07F9D2CE8118862574CD007558E5?OpenDocument

by DCGreg on Sep 23, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's unfortunate

I would be surprised if he throws a large amount of innings ever again. Wish this wasn’t the case.

By the way, great picture!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, what'd i miss?

who was that creepy kid in the booth?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

EI has the cardinal feed

and dan giving al a ration of ..it makes me like dan more and wish he’d do it more

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Too bad on Carp. For a short time he was one of the best. . . .Will go into the Tudor, Andujar, Spinks, Washburn wing of What-Migh-Have-Been fun

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

afraid you got that right

he could fund it himself with what’s left on his contract

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scipio Spinks? Ray Washburn?

Wow, names from my childhood.

by random on Sep 23, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shannon: Brewers are a club that fell apart down the stretch. . .. Physician heal thyself

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Save some of those for next year Floppy

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Think he'll be in St. Louis next year?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do

will his bat make up for his glove? I hope so
will he be an upgrade? I hope so
will we get a real SS if he stays? we better!

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

only hang up is $$
miles is cheaper and if they can’t unload ak, might not go for floppy
floppy’s contract this year is more than we owe ak for next year

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Release and pay AK if they can't unload him. His days in St. Louis are clearly over.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm good with that performance wise

but if carps money is dead, then paying ak 4 mil to do nothing, it may not be “in the cards” to pay floppy another 3-4 mil.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

floppy

will playing 2nd next year
like it or lump it i’m afraid

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WHY WON'T THEY PITCH TO PUJOLS?!

o yea, arizona’s still playing for something.

by soccerfreak on Sep 23, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shannon is broadcasting this one with all of the enthusiasm of someone reading the phone book.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

seriously?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Did you hear his call of the last Arizona home run?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no, i'm watching FSNMW

i am boycotting Cardinal Radio till they go back to KMOX

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i for one will not be the first to heap praise onto Floppy

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Allright

I want apologies from everyone! I’ll start the ball rolling!

I’m sorry Felipe. You are a great defensive player! Thank you for adding so much to our team on both ends!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Still think he is a leading candidate for the lead glove award. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, that's not gonna happen

look directly above

just say NO MO

just say NO

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so stubborn!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

roll it by yo self

i predict he will be with the birds, but it will not make me happy
he’ll end up with some back loaded deal to compensate for ak’s money, which then makes him untradeable in any subsequent years
his decent hitting (way over his head by any long term measures) will cost us

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When's the last time the team had a reliable long-term 2nd baseman? Vina? Deplorable record of late

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HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

should have been grud

very short sighted on walt’s part

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

He was definitley that better half of the middle infield in ’05. We gave the wrong guy a three year contract.

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tommy Herr?

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ding ding

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fritsch & Hornsby

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how the hell did we get the 5th run?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Floppy doubled in Lohse

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

since when does Motte throw harder than YP?

i thought they both threw equally as hard?

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

motte's sauce

has a few more mph on it

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice 1-2 punch for '09

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not once we teach them new arm slots and sinkers.

by DriverZn on Sep 23, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice inning for Motte. Keep him in in the 8th?

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HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ho, hum. Another 1-2-3 inning

for Motte. Only 1 K though.

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lopez has been

tearing the ball this month…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Sep 23, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Waaay late to the party,

Good to see the Cards ahead though.

This is my first day in the last 2 weeks that I’ll sleep in my bed after Hurricane Ike swept through the Houston/Galveston area. My place didnt take any damage during the storm, but a few guys that I’m stationed with lost everything. Im not asking for anything but for, if you will, keep these guys that are serving our country in your thoughts and prayers.

Go Cards!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hey welcome back

sounds like you’ve had a crazy couple of weeks. i’ll keep sending some up to the big man upstairs for everyone down there.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks,

I do appreciate it. And, Yes, its been crazy.

If I can, I’d like to show yall some of the rescues I and my brothers have been a part of.

Link Here

The Hurricane Ike videos start on page 2, and continue on for a few more pages. I hope yall enjoy, it was fun for us, as well as high stress.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ho hom. another RBI single for the MVP

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sadly AP plays on the wrong side of the Mississippi. . . .but I hope you're right. . . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he already got the RBI!

(/end sarcasm)

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Santa

delivers a present!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

outside shot of him reaching 100 RBIs

and that would give us three guys over the century mark.

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is '04 or '05

the last time weve had something like that?

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was '04

I’m pretty sure Albert was the only one in ’05 with +100. Rolen was hurt and Jimmy was beginning his decline

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!

by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sheesh

that seems like soo long ago…

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what is this stuff?

I don’t understand. The number next to StL is bigger than the number next to Ari. Isn’t that wrong? Isn’t the number next to StL supposed to be smaller? I don’t understand. Can someone please clarify?

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

the guy in charge of those numbers

is retarded… apparently, its bring your retarded song to work day at FSN midwest. Theyll fix it it in a while, dont worry.

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Sep 23, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

whats the difference

between a retarted song and a mentaly stable song?

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

one goes do-re-mi

the other one goes dee-dee-dee??

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Sep 23, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you'll have to ask

schroedinger’s cat

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Red spells his last name

that way :)

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wrong Red

that’s a Big Bang Theory reset if i’m not mistaken right?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Capt. Ron, coming in

Please, get the guy youre being brought in to get, OUT!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cmon Villone

throw strikes this time please

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

now come on, you know that the only way he'll get him out

is if he tackles him. it’s the Ronny V wayl

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that will work too

I do not want Ronny the walk machine back net year

I do want Ronny the badass back next year though

damn conundrums

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the simpy resolution is he comes back next year

as the new & improved badass FredBird

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

park the rv

the prez is here

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Perez

since I havent had power in the last two weeks; has Perez been doing well when given a lead to hold during the 8th or later? I could be a bit behind, but last I knew, TLR still wasnt calling him the closer.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not anymore

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i thought they said RV was coming in

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

came and went

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He did

faced Dunn, and got pulled for Perez to come in.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i need to stop getting distracted

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh, Dave, let throw high Young Man

see what happens when he doesn’t?

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

the prez

isn’t doing himself any favors lately

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he really needs to get strike 1.......

by ICbirdfan on Sep 23, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and follow it

with strike 2 and three.. at this point, even if they pitched golf balls, our pen would still give up homeruns like its a birthday party…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Sep 23, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not even larussa

wants to watch this upcoming trainwreck…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Sep 23, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My, my be like the pen is unreliable. . .

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by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cue

Circus Music

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

did you watch that video?

It’s the creepiest video I think that I have ever seen!!! And I am not really that afraid of clowns either….

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by FredbirdisaDork on Sep 23, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank for YP?

seriously?

it’s Dave’s damn fault Tony!

jebuz! MO can’t trade him fast enough.

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No don't trade him!! Dave is only around 1 more year tops.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 23, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, that was Motte's first ER

wow. He didn’t get the chance to pitch himself out of it.

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Motte's not pitching

by ICbirdfan on Sep 23, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

still gets charged w/ the run

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am confused? I though Motte pitched 1 inning.

Then villone started the 8th and walked Conor Jackson… Then Perez came in

by ICbirdfan on Sep 23, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Motte started the 8th

then RV, YP, and Franklin. Only TLR could run through a pen like this

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, I see he brought Motte back after pitching the 7th....

I missed that. I came back and Perez was coming in.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 23, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please tell me I'm hallucinating

Tony didn’t just pull Perez in order to put Franklin in the game. I imagined that, right?

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ur not..

and yes, he got an out. Wait, am I now hallucinating?

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Sep 23, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Franklin's okay

as long as he’s not pitching in the 9th or beyond

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and took out glaus

moving lopez to third and miles in at second base…

by adiueordie on Sep 23, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

guess we don't need GG defense at 3B

any longer in this game

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you & me both Htown

but i’ve got a 103 degree temperature. what’s your excuse?

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sober

looks like I shouldn’t be

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldn't be either if i could keep anything down

stupid summer flu.

seriously, who gets the flu in the summer?

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did about a month ago...

It sucked. Feel better soon.

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by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i woke up today with the most obnoxious cough

luckily for me an OD on nighttime cold medicine and a lil bit of Black label whisky is kinda getting rid of that! Hmmm… i guess thats the reason why I saw Perez skinny today…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Sep 23, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

so Frank really came back out for the 9th?

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes he did

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And it worked.....

Imagine that.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 23, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

even a blind squirrel

finds a nut once in a while — especially when it’s a nut w/ a 3 run lead and just 4 outs in which to blow it.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Franklin's not without his uses

he just shouldn’t be at the back end of ball games.

by azruavatar on Sep 23, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Depends what you mean by back end.....

Like I said, outside of his short stint trying to close games, the dude has been pretty darn solid. I’d say probably to the tune of a an ERA < 3.00. He obviously couldn’t close games, but I haven’t seen anything to suggest he still couldn’t do fine in the 8th. Until Perez quits walking guys, he has no business pitching late in games…..if we’re actually trying to win. I’d give Motte most of the work, he’s the hot hand.

by SoonerfanTU on Sep 24, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Perez can't pitch late in games until he stops walking guys

I hope no one, and I mean no one, will hope to have Izzy back (using that same logic)

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 24, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Franklin's stuff just doesn't play that well as a reliever

He’s got a 4.62 FIP. He’s regressed in almost every way from last year — walk rate, HR rate, GB% — toward what we should have expected in the first place. That’s not to say he’s not a major league reliever, he’s just not more than average coming out of the pen.

His ERA wouldn’t be less than 3.00 — there’s nothing to even remotely indicate that.

by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow, skip

split watch: .170 and dropping

by random on Sep 23, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Those three ABs

were impressively meek.

by random on Sep 23, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bucs back on top of BrewCrew

5-4 in the 8th. Sob, sob.

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wait till next year for the Brewers - maybe the worst in the division. . . .

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by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

heres to hope!

maybe they learn to keep their shirts tucked in before the new season begins.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they'll be good next year

about like us in needing to find some stsartking pitching. i expect their regular 8, however, will be better than ours except for ap and maybe glaus and lud

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by sportsman on Sep 23, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Winner!

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Franklin dealing...

Nice to see him throw fewer sliders

by random on Sep 23, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

AND THAT'S A WINNER!!!!

in spite of Tony i might add

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I remember a few weeks ago

When we would have been through 150 posts after the 2nd inning…

by saladdays on Sep 23, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

truly. nice to see a win here

g-night all!

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by gocards62 on Sep 23, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Winner, Winner!

Good to see a big ol W my first game back.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Sep 23, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Winner!

Guarantees .500. Didn’t think we’d be seeing that this year

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by RunninRedbird on Sep 23, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

as of last week i didnt think we would see that

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 23, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When was the last 1-2-3 9th? Two overflow game? I'll take in anyway. One more "W" and it's a 500+ season. Did not predict such in April

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by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

haha

how true. sign of the times

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 23, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Baseball Picture that has be cracking up

by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 23, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow. Benny Agbayani.

There’s a name I haven’t thought of in quite some time.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Sep 24, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so Ricky Horton just said on the post game

that YP’s confidence is shot & his control is all messed up.

gee, i wonder what could have caused all of that?

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by gdm426 on Sep 23, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I've been out of it for a while. Is Dun trying to fix Perez ala Reyes?

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by akaitori on Sep 23, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, higher arm slot and all

by DriverZn on Sep 23, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perez has never had great control.

I’m reluctant to read too much into that. He wasn’t a finished product. That said I’m not sure the coaching staff has done him any favors confidence wise but I don’t think this is really they’re fault.

by azruavatar on Sep 23, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

their

idiot

by azruavatar on Sep 23, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ummmmm........I don't know the fact that he was wild in the Minors as well.

If he can learn to throw first pitch strikes it will help him a ton.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What did we learn this year?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2008 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Closers:

Jason Isringhausen loads the bases = Pull him after 5 runs are in.
Chris Perez loads the bases = Pull him before the 3rd baserunner even reaches 1st.

I see.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I respect TLR and what he has done

but I really think he needs to leave

by nmstar on Sep 23, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like this Chris Carpenter plan

Chris: “Dr. Paletta, my shoulder is killing me still!”
Dr. Nick: “Chris, I’ve told you 100 times, I don’t see what the problem is.”
Chris: “Are you serious? I can’t even move my arm without crying out in pain. I feel like their is a knife in my side!”
Dr. Nick: “Fine, you want me to fix this?”
Chris: “What the hell do you think I came here for?!?!”
Dr. Nick: “Alright Mr. Smartypants. If your shoulder hurts so bad, we’ll just take the nerve out. Then you won’t feel anything!”

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2008 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Grumble

I wish Jocketty would have been forced to take that albatross of a contract with him to Cincinnati. What a crappy day on the injury front STL fans. Carp may never pitch again and Erik Johnson is going to miss the year with a torn ACL for the Blues. :-(

by nmstar on Sep 23, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it is an albatross

I’ll be honest, at the time I thought it was a brilliant move by Jocketty. He took a risk on Carpenter staying healthy and Carpenter signed for a pretty big discount in years and dollars compared to what he would have gotten (if healthy) on the open market.

That said, it appears I was completely wrong about Carp’s durability. 44.5 M over the next 3 years shouldn’t kill this organization, especially with all the money coming off the books this next year. The contract becomes and albatross, however, if it is compounded by another ‘dead weight’ contract. If the Cardinals sign a big name pitcher like Burnett or Sheets and then that guy spends the next 2 years on the DL, the Cardinals will be crippled. With Garcia and Parisi both injured for next season, it’s up to Mitchell Boggs and Brad Thompson to save the day!

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 24, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Insurance?

I do not fully understand how contracts are insured and to what extent, but there has to be a hefty amount on Carp’s right arm, right? If payrole is based on Bill D’s budget, the insurance $ should surely help that. If anyone can confirm or correct me, I would love to hear any info out there.

by toris34 on Sep 24, 2008 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs