Game 155 Open Thread -- September 21, 2008
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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PrintSt. Louis Cardinals at Chicago Cubs, Sep 21, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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| Looper | Dempster |
| 12-13, 4.06 | 16-6, 3.02 |
Well, two of Bernie's favorite free agent pitchers take the mound today in the rubber game of our last road series of the season. You can't overstate just how good Dempster's been this year. He's made himself a lot of money w/ his spectacular season -- 4th among NL starters in WPA, 7th in FIP -- no-hitters aside, he's been the best of a strong Cubs' starting rotation this year. Still, he'll be 32 next May and will probably throw around 230-240 innings this year when it's all said and done. His last season w/ more than 200 was 2002. Is anybody ready to give him $60 million? Have we learned nothing from the news about Carp?
The most interesting aspect of this game may be seeing which team comes out w/ the most feckless lineup, now that the Cubs have clinched. In Tony's resolute effort to prove just how inept the Cards are, I'd expect a little more Kennedy and Lopez will probably hit cleanup again. Anyone think Pujols is due for a day off? Sweet Lou's going to have to work to create a weaker lineup but I'd expect to see most of his regulars get the day off. We'll probably see Card-killer Henry Blanco and God-knows-who-else. Hell, someone here may play on a beer-league softball team w/ more firepower than what the two long-time friends will put on the field. There's a good chance Dempster and Looper add a few more coins to their respective piggy banks this afternoon.
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For the first time in a long time
the Cards appear to have the more powerful lineup (though Lopez is back in the 4 hole).
Dempster
prob won’t go more than 5. Sounds like no Cubs starter (sans Marquis?) will go more than 5 from here on out to get their playoff rotation in order and healthy.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
Miami Dolphins beating
NE 21-6 at halftime…wow
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!
WGN play-by-play
is sometimes hard to distinguish from a pre-game chat show. Do they know there’s a game being played? Can’t they interview Hendry another time, maybe?
I am now going to make an effort to say something positive
gift called strike to Ramirez. I don’t like those even when they go our way.
Looper and Dempster
Looper is a pitcher I could do without
and Dempster is a pitcher Id run away from. Shades of Adrian Beltre there
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in fairness to Looper...
If we could get Looper for 2 years and 14 million it would be a good deal. Beyond that…no. No. No.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 21, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, nice play and all
but wouldn’t we all, except tlr, have rather seen ak or floppy in right?
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got the replay!
wow, nice play on both ends. Wonder if the glasses survived, they travelled about 8ft, it looked!
I'll go over
He’s at .946 and wouldn’t have to repeat this career season to be above it next year.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!
by RunninRedbird on Sep 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
geez blue
These umps must be of the vote early, vote often ilk.
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - HBT
Pie was OUT!!!
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!
I don't know how you get that wrong
It’s like the ump was trying to make the unlikely call or something.
Seemed pretty obvious to me.
I think he had already made up his mind
announcer wrong. Ludwick lefthanded, ball not high enough to run around, Skip’s got to take it
like Ludwick's non-walk?
Is it me, or do these look like make-up calls with… nothing to make up for? 100 years = does not count.
And that bear in the car is very disturbing.
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - HBT
+1
on both counts
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!
by RunninRedbird on Sep 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
in fairness
I would be disturbed if it were Fredbird.
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - HBT
yet another horrible call
and it wasn’t even on a 90 mph object.
little instant replay needed?
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you won't like
Stache when he’s angry.
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - HBT
Why can't
Cubs announcers admit when the get away with a call? They just can’t say it. At least STL announcers will be honest.
I must have not heard it
over all of their random, non related mumblings
...
…..
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - HBT
Okay seriously
No slide? Are we so far gone that we don’t even understand the basics of baseball anymore?
I think now would be a good time to remind ourselves...
That we’ll be done with the likes of Izturis, Kennedy, Flores, Mulder, Villone, Isringhausen and others in the Birds on the Bat in a week. I know I’ve already disowned all of them save Iz1, who I’ll never rag on even though he’s toast.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 21, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
may or may not
be done with all of them
iz2 has a decent shot at coming back
i’m afraid same goes for floppy
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Not...
Not all this team’s problems will be solved, by any means. How well we do next year will be determined by how well Mo continues the rebuilding this off season. Still, some of the useless flotsam that dominates this roster right now will be cleared out.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a nice dream
but at this point i’d be almost surprised if they didn’t bring isringhausen back. the hungarian says that mozeliak says that it would be “unfair” not to take a look at isringhausen. tony says he doesn’t “know why his name wouldn’t come up.” and i fear that izturis isn’t a sure thing to be gone. the rest…well…
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 21, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really not a fan of Izturis and I still think that Brendan Ryan could do what he's done for 1/10th the cost
but Izturis’ arm is worlds better than watching Eckstein hop and throw on a regular basis.
Well...
I don’t have an issue with Izturis coming back so long as they make great improvements at 2b, LH relief and in the rotation. I’m confident Mo can get it done. I’d prefer to see Izturis gone, but of everyone I listed that is useless, he’s the least annoying to me. By contrast, Kennedy and Flores are dead to me.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
are the fsn guys
having an actual intelligent conversation?
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - HBT
is al participating?
if so, answer is no
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just checking
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - HBT
Man...
Albert just needs a day off. He ain’t right.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 21, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
I for one
am no fan of having lopez return next season
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
tough play for Pujols
was trying for the DP w/ the turn and backhand instead of shuffling right and fielding it square for one.
Agreed
can’t blame Albert for that
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!
by RunninRedbird on Sep 21, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Another misplay by Lopez...
Who’d have thought?
What does Tony see in this guy to keep playing him every single day? He defense costs more runs than his temporarily hot bat has been producing.
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro
+1
unless as argued earlier, his x at bats as a card overshadows his 10x at bats before, there is no point.
sometimes tlr thinks the cardinal mystique (and his skill) can routinely turn lead into gold. it has happened a few times, but also for others (guillen and quentin). mostly, however, you get junior spiveys being junior spiveys.
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Ridiculous...
We should only be down 3-2 right now, instead it’s 4-1. I hate these umps for today and yesterday on the k calls
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!
feel for blooper too
he’s going for a contract and he gets this.
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it's not the money it's where he ends up
don’t really understand why a guy will take 10% more to play for a losing team, like meche did with the royals. going out and losing well over the half the time seems like self abuse to me
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Stavinoha's ABs
Don’t remotely resemble what they looked like in triple A. He’s 26, so he’d better start looking better in a hurry. I thought he’d come up and hit right away.
Yeah, he really serves no purpose on the Cardinals.
They have soo many OF who do things better than Stav, it does not make sense for him to be on the MLB team.
It doesn't seem to me
that Gaudin throws many strikes. They should be taking more against him. He throws really low, alot
He threw
nine strikes to eleven balls that inning. So I would say he doesn’t throw many strikes.
miles at 2nd?
thought for sure it would be springer
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is kmac
pulling the macho trick of pitching himself into a real injury and/or short career?
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Hopefully
he doesn’t “play through” something that needs attention. We’ve seen enough of that.
Al:
“Tony and Dave are trying to be guarded with him in this final week”
So why not just shut him down? He’s proven he can pitch this year. Let him rest, he’s already had two surgeries.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!? Wait Ryan Howard is now too!?...Ah WTF?!?!
it's really sad
that we’re turning to Aaron Miles as our bastion of great defense at the keystone! Of course, I agree.
+1 and a long way from the joy
of miles being non-tendered last winter
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He's now over 75 innings
he hadn’t been close to this many innings since 2004 when he threw 128. There’s no reason for KMac to throw another inning this year.
Like to play Kennedy? stick him out there!
And the runs scores anyway
McClellan is not right, even I can see that. What the heck does LaRussa think about when he watches him?
Every time I see that WGN logo
I want to get up and poke that lady in the eyes with my fingers like the three stooges. But then I realize I might ruin my LCD, so I BARELY refrain.
I have thumbmarks on my laptop display
that I think resulted from picking the thing up and screaming at gameday during T.E.S.S. Even w/o that, I don’t think I’ll ever forget that game.
does seem he brought a little sauce with him today
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LOL
I’m an American with a MA in French. Hence the name. I can’t stomach the losing much longer, but thankfully I won’t have to.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 21, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
let's see how Barton handles right field
was painful watching him in left yesterday. I still have hope for him, if not Stav
I like Motte
but that fastball is straight as an arrow. He’ll give up some titanic homers and accumulate a lot of Ks.
Yeah it will be fun to see some power hitter square up Motte's fastball.....
It’s going to go a looooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg wayyyyyyyyyy.
It is straight, however I think people fail to realize it has jump to it......
I have hit guys who throw 93-94 with jump and it ain’t fun………
I was trying to think of guys Motte reminded me of and I instantly thought of guys I faced who threw 93-94 with that rise/jump… Yeah they threw straight but their ball was deceptive because it appears to take off at the end.
some luck though
a little more patience and last 2 batters would have walked
can’t count on so many swings at balls with real hitters
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Yeah of course guys can lay off.......However when you attack hitters and throw hard they get jumpy.
He tends not to try to get cute spotting stuff. He attacks and that is very good strategy if you throw like him. You don’t want to throw a lot of pitches and let guys time you. Just attack the zone, get ahead and elevate to finish.
ak hitting .269
anyone know his obp right off?
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amazingly,
it’s the same as Izturis’, but his SLG is 50 pts. higher than Cesar’s. How bad has Cesar been at the plate? Those facts alone should tell you.
That, friends, was a ridiculous uppercut
on a high fastball, there’s no way he’s going to hit it
and that go cubs go song is really not good
no it isnt
but sure fun to sing
-Charlemagne
"Cubs Win!" "Yes, Sir!" - Pat and Ron, June 12, 2008, Walk off HBP, bottom of the 11th
i found a version of it on youtube
"hey, Chicago,
whatdaya say?
the chicago cubs are effing gay"
no lie
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by jealousblues on Sep 22, 2008 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It makes me sad that AK
represented our last hope in this game.
True
You had Barden, Johnson, Ryan or Kennedy to PH in that spot…….tough choice
Maybe
We should have let Wainwright pinch hit right there
Actually sir
No I don’t wish we had Edmonds back
actually though….i can’t blame the cubs fans for asking when they see flopez and kennedy in our outfield
I thought that too
and that is in no way a dig on Jimmy. But it was time to move on.
actually it’s the entertainment in going to a game at wrigley…….earlier in the season, you could calmly ask the cubs fan why we would need a 6th outfielder…….and then ask the cubs fan why he was wearing a jersey and a headband from a player hitting .230 over the last 2 months
Wrigley is fun and the atmosphere around it is top notch.... better than STL in my opinion.
Yeah, I have not seen too much Fukudome stuff lately…
The racist shirts (that Fukudome hated), the stupid hats that were from the Vietnamese culture not the Japaneese culture.
Fukudome has struggled a ton. I can’t believe the Cubs paid what they did
one could say they were racist
or just silly.
I dont think anybody was putting him down with it.
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by jealousblues on Sep 22, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That shoud be tomorrow's headline in the PD
With a picture of Tony on one side and Linehan on the other.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
i really find his ba amazing
considering his swing looks so awful
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Today was a great day
Felipe Lopez was once again exposed as an awful defensive player.
Cesar Izturis punched his ticket off this team!
Oh Happy Days!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
2 games
2 games behind Arizona for that protected 1st round pick spot.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
I hope we get swept
I want Arizona to get back into that NL West slot. Only 2.5 back.
At worst, make it a 1 game playoff.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't get on board that train of thought.
I’m going to the game Wednesday and I want to see a winner!
Don't be selfish
Sometimes you gotta take one for the team.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
im going tuesday
so count on two wins
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