Game 152 Open Thread: September 18 2008
by lboros on Sep 18, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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PrintSt. Louis Cardinals at Cincinnati Reds, Sep 18, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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| Lohse | Volquez |
| 13-6, 3.80 | 16-5, 3.22 |
the cards are now almost as close to last place (14.5 games) as they are to first (13.5). they're also under .500 for the year on the road, after having been 9 games over through the first 5/6 of the schedule . . . .
but we love 'em anyway. c'mon fellahs, get a win.
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Just saw the pitching matchup
Who is gonna’ get buzzed by who?
"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar
I totally forgot about that
It doesn’t really matter if either gets suspended again right?
Anyways Lineup Per Yahoo sports
S. Schumaker cf
A. Miles lf
A. Pujols 1b
F. Lopez 2b
T. Glaus 3b
A. Kennedy rf
M. Johnson c
K. Lohse p
C. Izturis ss
4 middle infielders in the game
Guess Tony is just jacking with our minds
Huh, and here I was thinking that using players like Stavinoha and Barton might help. I’m sure glad that Tony is here to set the lineup straight! Who needs prospects when you can just use light hitting middle infielders everywhere!
I was a firm supporter of TLR until now. This lineup has sent me over the edge into the anti-Tony camp. Pardon my French, but this is b***sh**.
I wish the media would actuall call him out for it.
Like they would do in a real media market like NYC or even Chicago.
This lineup is pathetic.
Kennedy RF
WTF?!?
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
no one can argue with THIS being the worst lineup of the year, right?
I would almost expect this lineup to produce a win it is so bad, but I am starting to believe we have seen the last big red W of the year.
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All you guys do is whine about the lineups
if Brendan Ryan was in RF, you’d complain it wasn’t someone else.*
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lineups are fun to whine about
keeps my mind off of the results of the previous games.
So THAT is why he does it.
I am on to you now Tony!
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One more W would be nice
Be one better than last seaon. Also like to see Lohse get his 14th.
That’s not too much to ask for is it?…..really, is it?
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
rather than at 2b
and put lopez in right, or…
ah, fuck it!
seriously, he’s trying to send some kind of message here… not sure what it is, other than he doesn’t care to win any games. what the shit…!
Per Strauss via Bernie
he’s sending a message to DeWitt and Mozeliak.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
so throwing games, while still in the playoff hunt, to send a message
that alone should get him fired. If that is the reason, I am on board with him getting canned now.
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What's the message though?
Don’t bother developing any position player prospects in case people get hurt, because I’ll never ever play them?
I don’t see what Mo really could have done, except maybe get some bullpen help. And Tony is actually using some of the young bullpen guys.
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro
Freese, Rasmus, Anderson?
Maybe he wanted some actual players called up? Or maybe he did want some bullpen help or that impact bat that could have come in handy the last month?
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
No, more like trading all three for some OF slugger and signing Barry Bonds to play left. Tony doesn’t care about the future, he lives in the past and wants old veterans.
either way
this team would be in a hell of a lot better position right now, in this playoff race that everyone here seems so concerned about with those players.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say you want to keep all the prospects and not sign Barry Bonds for league minimum and then complain that the team isn’t in contention when they made zero moves.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
No, it’s more like the team didn’t bring up prospects to play. If Rasmus was up we wouldn’t be seeing Kennedy in right or Miles in left.
I don’t want the team to make moves for aging vets…I want them to use the resources that they have: playing actual outfielders such as Barton and Stavinoha and calling up the top prospect in Rasmus.
if that his his message
then he should come on out and say it. This stuff cannot be good for team morale.
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maybe that's his point?
do you think that playing Bardon or Stavinoha or even Barton gives the team a much greater chance to win?
Besides, just because the team was mathematically still in the “hunt” doesn’t mean they actually had a chance.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
c'mon, you know it wouldn't have made one bit of difference
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Wait, what?
If the argument is Brian Barton vs Adam Kennedy in RF, I take Brian Barton 100 times over. And it would make a difference.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To win the wild card?
no.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
I don't buy that
if you put the best player available at the place where they best can succeed, you increase your chances of actually winning.
Not doing so leaves a great deal of doubt.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
then do it
what’s your outfield? what’s your infield? who’s your catcher?
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
if you are gonna play AK
at least play him where he can be a plus defender
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So that would be the bench right?
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
but they did
if they could have won a handful of these last 10 games, they definitely had a chance. But lineup dancing must be prioritized
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right, but like i said,
this team constructed the way it is, isn’t going to win crap.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
If they had just won their last two series
(4 wins), they’d be 3 games back.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
still, with basically no chance of winning anything
give me a lineup you think would be good enough to make it to the playoffs. A lineup constructed of players currently on the roster keeping in consideration that Glaus wasn’t available for a big chunk of the time.
Remember, Freese wasn’t on the roster.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Lineup?
Well, without looking at specific matchups
Skippy CF
Miles 2B
Pujols 1B
Ludwick RF
Lopez/Glaus 3B (since you said Glaus was injured)
LaRue C
Izturis SS
Pitcher
Barton LF
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
okay,
so you’re saying for that week without Glaus, you play Lopez at 3rd, right? Well, they lost all 5 of those games. Is Skip now playing against lefties? LaRue batting 6th? Followed by Izturis?
That’s not a good lineup.
Depending on where you want to say the slide began you could say either August 29 or September 10. Outside of Barton, that’s basically the same lineup we saw get swept by Houston and blew 2 of 3 to Arizona, right? Then they had a good series against Florida (that I think should have probably been a sweep, right?), and then Glaus and Molina got hurt against the Cubs and they’ve sucked since.
So, while i agree that that is the best lineup they could put out there, I doubt those guys could or would play every single day and be any better than what we’ve seen.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
I never said they would
but now you are making two arguments, how we lost games and what the best lineup would be. Bullpen decisions and pitch-hitting decisions factored into those loses as well.
And I said that wasn’t a game by game basis. But Aaron Miles has started more games during that stretch than Brian Barton and Nick Stavinoha in the OF. That’s disgusting.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing about what the best lineup would be
I just don’t think it would have made much of a difference.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
the the game, no
but 7 or 8 games, to the professional development of brian barton? It could make a real difference there.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
I will always be of the mindset
that just getting into the playoffs is a good thing.
I don’t have a problem with the losing right now, but why the hell don’t the real players that need to be given a chance, given that chance. This stuff is pissing me off so much I don’t even understand that last sentence.
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other than Barton
is there another player you really need to see play? Stavinoha? No. Barden? No. Ryan? No. Who else isn’t playing that deserves to play?
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Why do I need to see Felipe Lopez play
and not Brian Barden at 3B?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, why don't I need to see Barden or Stavinoha?
Barden has gotten all of 6 ABs this season since his callup. 6 ABs is enough to know what kind of player he is?
Stavinoha has all of 44 ABs this season. I suppose 44 at bats is enough to prove to some people that he has nothing, but it doesn’t to me.
If they are gonna piss away the rest of this season, then Barton, Stavinoha, and Barden should get extended playing time to see if with regulat at bats, maybe they might actually be worth something?
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Brian Barton is in the organizational
doghouse apparently, to paraphrase Strauss.
That’s what being the smartest guy in the room gets you.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
for what?
any clue?
I’m sick of hearing about players in frigging doghouses. Just play baseball.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
No clue
said he wouldn’t get into it.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
you gotta be f'ing kidding me
do you think he dared questioned the way he was handled when he came off the DL & sat around for what was it? two weeks on the bench with nothing to do & Tony kept telling him he wasn’t ready to play?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i agree with that
i’d much rather watch youngsters get a legitimate shot
than watch super scrubs playing all over the field
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
an/or not using what is left of his own
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
c'mon fellahs, get a win
That’s no way to talk! We want that protected first round pick!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
Pujols spot
I wish TLR would consider putting Mang in the #2 spot in the lineup. Keep the pitcher in the 8 hole. Skip gets on base a lot it seems, though I didn’t look up stats, but Albert has come up in the 1st with 2 outs and no runners.
"Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers," she said. "And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."-Sarah Palin
I wish Pujols would walk off the field
to protest this BS
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he's a professional
he wouldn’t sabotage his team’s chance to win to send a message.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
I would think not
i will still reserve the right to be angry at these types of lineups
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i was talking about albert
not our amazing $4M random lineup generator. Be as mad at him as you want to be.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
ahh, how did i miss that
I have to agree, I can see why he is slumping, this has to be wearing on him,
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Strauss apparently said there is some big announcement
about next year that will be put on stltoday.com tonight.
With Strauss though, it could just be something about the ASG, etc. But, ya never know.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
More than likely, it's an extension for Dave Duncan
he hinted at that a few weeks ago.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
TLR is resigning
that would be better
"Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers," she said. "And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."-Sarah Palin
I can not wait
to see if AL and Dan are going to make an excuse for this travesty of a lineup, or Tony’s message sending
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Did Dan and Al
really just discuss Pujols vs. Howard for MVP?
Oh, I get it. I’ve entered the bizarro world.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
that game looks both really awesome
and really time consuming.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
What sucks is...
this lineup will probably score like 10 runs and Tony will be praised for his “genius” and how innovative he is.
"Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers," she said. "And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."-Sarah Palin
He'll be pissed
if he is trying to send a message.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
good grief
I just got here, and I agree with most of you. This lineup is stupid.
Maybe Tony’s too proud to quit and wants to get canned.
How would you feel if you were one of our young outfielders and looked out there at Miles and Kennedy?
Really, really stupid move by Tony. He’s quickly losing my support. And I’ve been a big supporter of his for a long time. This, however, is spitting in our faces.
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
Lineup
Tony’s explanation during the pre-game was: “We’ve lost a bunch of games in a row so we need to do something to shake it up. I put every left-handed bat I could into the lineup.” Or something pretty close to that.
At first I thought, well, OK, but why not AK at 2b and Lopez in RF? Maybe they finally decided that Lopez CAN NOT play OF?
thanks. i didn't know that
but it doesn’t change my mind about my earlier comments. i still think it’s a stupid move.
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
ok, i understand the words, but not the moves
if you were interested in knowing about ak in right field, for reasons i can not fathom, that’s what spring training is for. why the hell is he looking at this now? think somebody will want ak more if he has played 3 games in right field or first base? whole thing is idiotic and mo needs to carry some of this water too for restricting the callups.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
i don't have a problem with the restricted call ups
but we have outfielders on the bench! actual players who spend all their time playing in the outfield
LaRussa’s explanation seems to say that the most important thing in formulating a lineup is righty / lefty matchups. If he believes that…
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
wow, the brillinat lineup move paid off the first time through
oh, wait, Caesar hasn’t hit yet
forgive the bottomless sarcasm tonight
a lost season does that to me
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
No but he has committed
and error…glad our backup MIF are in the OF, so our starters can be in their regular positions.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this inning still going?
Sweet Moses, finish it off already Lohse. Stop pulling a ‘Lohse’.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
I just wanna know
what AK’s reaction was when he found out he was in RF.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
he said
what part of the bench is that?
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Al: "they are very high on david freese"
THEN WHERE THE HELL IS HE, AL? DID YOU EVEN ASK THE QUESTION?
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
volquez walks the first two
so aaron miles swings at a first pitch ball.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Same crap as the other day
drives me up the wall.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He's batting
too close to schumaker in the lineup.
It’s contagious
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing we don't have any outfielders
who are good at getting on base by working the count. It would be an awful idea to start one of them against a guy with control problems. Wouldn’t send the right message.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Albert shaved
He always seems to do that when he’s in a funk. Hope it works.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
Yes it does!
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I am glad I am not the only one who has noticed that
and BOOM
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He looks 5 years younger
I think this is ‘the other Pujols’, from 2006. He went the other way, like the young Pujols used to do, so I think we have irrefutable evidence that there are, indeed, 2 Albert Pujols’
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I've certainly never seen them both in the same place at the same time
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
will the real Albert Pujols please stand up?
please stand up, please stand up
(nsfw language)
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
ap my man
way to go.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
BOMB GOES THE DYNAMITE
how’s that for your first hit in a week?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
We have the lead
stop toying with me, Cardinals.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
is troy
the pop up king of the nl?
i like him, but it seems the pop up is his favorite form of making an out
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Why would you pitch to Albert?
Just load the bases for Lopez.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
only dusty the geneius knows
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
I haven't poseted in a while, but that play pissed me off
Fire TLR?
Are people finally willing to go along with that sentiment?
i think the hahaha
goes to tlr. miles did what he could, but he ain’t no outfielder. unfortunately, only tlr doesn’t know that
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
That was harsh on Miles
He doesn’t stink and it’s not his fault he can’t play LF.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
"Hasn't earned it"
We need to trade him to another team for his cheap peak years. Then once he has earned it we can trade for him back or pay top dollar for decline years via FA.
can we trade him
for anthony reyes?
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Nah.....
Cleveland likes Reyes. They wouldn’t do that to him on a human level. They actually treat their players, even the ones they don’t want anymore, with respect.
I know you’re kidding; but I’m not. They really wouldn’t do it.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
The question shouldn't be what has Rasmus done do deserve it
It is what have I done to deserve having to watch Miles in left?
you outta know not to kick one of TRL's puppies
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i don't know, but
christmas must be looking pretty bleak under your tree
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
No,
It’s TLR’s fault.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
but shouldn't he have the metal to tell that to Tony?
oh wait, that’s not his job either. i wonder who’s job that is?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I'll put Mo's name out there for consideration.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
holy shit
even miles couldn’t get that one
i’m sure lohse understands
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
He looked like an IF
playing that ball. Oh, wait he is!
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
"Reds beat the Cards defensive aligment"
Translation, didn’t hit the ball to 1st.
they better not give him a double on that
that was an easy out for an outfielder.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
When he almost had to forfeit the game
because he incorrectly filled out the lineup card on a double switch.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you can bet your bippy
it was
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Guys want to hear something funny?
Adam Kennedy is hitting below .150 this month.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
So then shouldn't he
be on the bench right next to a struggling Ludwick. I swear TLR, I just don’t get you.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
wait wait wait
Miles is playing and Ludwick isn’t.
Seriously, i just started watching the game, that can’t be true…….
the Reds guys are giving Albert the credit for Vatto making that play
saying Albert was teaching him before the game yesterday how to play 1st.
so i gotta ask, why was Albert teaching the Reds kids how to play the game? i can’t be the only one who finds that weird can i?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
They talked about it last night
he came out an hour before the game, looked for Votto and then worked with him on how to field certain situations.
I personally think Votto is going to be a special player, even better than Bruce so it worries me that Albert is making him an even better player.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly. why would Albert do that?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
planning future job
manager of mlb team
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until there is one on every Major League roster." - HBT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 18, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on this lineup alone
Can we fire TLR?
I realize games don’t count for anything now, but this shouldn’t happen EVER!
i don't know
but i’d like to know his poll numbers about now
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
is fangraph's the site that has the win expectancy for each games?
wouldn’t it be cool if they or another site had manager’s, pitching coaches, GM’s, owner’s, etc approval ratings?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I like 'Other' Albert Pujols
he seems so young and limber.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Floppy?
hellz to the knowz. he’s just going threw a hot streak & getting his #’s up to his normal suckyness
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Another soft hitting MIF
who we stick in the OF. No thanks.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sick of Thommy & Chris kissing Tony's ass
for this line up. shut the hell up already.
good RBI Floppy. nice to see your not totally useless.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
that was brilliant Floppy
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
what did floppy do?
I decided to turn the game off while I was ahead
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let the catcher
throw the ball to 2nd so it would be there when he arrived
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
think he was safe
didn’t look like he got tagged, but they didn’t do a replay…
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
They did a replay on FSN Ohio
he never even touched 2B.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yahoo
he hit hit it to an outfielder
not easy to do tonight
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
That's bad luck
finding an OF’er to hit the ball to is just random chance tonight.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Morning - been away for a while and see that I have not missed much. Lord what an AWFUL line up
If this line up starts in St. Louis I hope the fans walk out after the first pitch. .. .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I think on Red's Bobblehead night
we should start an entire lineup of secondbasemen!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
would that include skip?
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
they wont
their scrappiest players are on the field. they blue hair’s will be very happy.
if only Stubby & Bo Hart were still around they’ll say. the Cards would never lose again they’ll say.
and then they’ll try & start the wave in the bottom of the 8th, when the Cards are down by one with runners at the corners & 1 out.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i vote no on both for 09
iz2 in particular seems to have gone off the last couple of weeks with errors
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you field it! NO i don't want it! you field it!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Brings new meaning
to ‘Seeing Eye Single’.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Horton: That was inexcusable. This line up is inexcusible. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Tony: "I know you are, but what am I?"
“Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!”
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
why the hell is Kyle hitting?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
correction
batting, not hitting
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Tony doesn't want this
person to win at the Hyundai long drive inning.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 18, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
hence, letting Miles bat
and then replacing him with Barton in LF.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Thommy boy just said that was the most mystifying at bat he's seen a Red take all year
i guess he forgets the time Dusty had Dunn try & bunt in the bottom of the 9th
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Or having Brandon Phillips try to bunt
and then hit the go-ahead single.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Thommy Boy exaggerates most things
I loved the last month or so he had with the Cubs some years back, when the aptly-named Steve Stone knifed him every chance he got
Jerry Hairston makes me think
I could be a Major League Baseball player and be half as annoying.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
he makes most Reds fans want to donkey punch Dusty
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
He isn't even the worst
Patterson has 300+ ABs.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Bako also pisses them off to no end
but it’s really Hairston & Patterson who piss them off the most.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
And then Kyle Lohse walks him
BREAKING NEWS: JERRY HAIRSTON JR. DISCOVERED TO BE AN AWFUL BASEBALL PLAYER.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank Goodness Lohse
batted for himself last inning. Giving away outs again, Tony?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
Whoa
just got back online.
We are really winning in the bottom of the 7th?
Is this like May or something? Did I find a time machine?
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an odd night
we’ve got more runs than hits
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
hey look!
IZ2 can call for a ball! who knew?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
What the heck was that?
Atleast we caught it.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Cubs Magic # is 2
Please GOB… Don’t let them clinch at home against our guys!
"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar
Moose is throwing a 4 hitter in the Bronx tonight
just an fyi for whoever it was who asked a couple weeks ago if the Cards should offer him a one year deal with a second year option this winter.
if he pitches like this, i wouldn’t mind that at all.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Mike Mussina is my favorite pitcher
until there was Wainwright. I would probably own a home, away, batting practice, pajamas and whatever other jersey they offered of him should he sign here.
I’m still holding out hope he wins tonight and his last 2 starts for his first 20 win season.
He threw 29 pitches in the 1st inning and then 64 over the next 5. Guy is nails.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i used to have a dog named Moose
but i had to give him away when i moved. i really loved that dog.
i’d probably get a home & away Moose jersey as well if he came over.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Mr Doubles is back!
back again.
tell a friend.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
So we can not even see Luddy PHing
for AK in this situation? Why the hell not man, why?
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never fear
ak is here
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
ufb
i guess i need to rag him more often, since none of you will help!
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
wait, what happened?
i was too busy replying to HL, did AK do something good?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
thanks, i'll have to take your word for it, because i really don't believe AK had that in him
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
holy shit
we have outfielders in all 3 outfield positions
of course, franks let him hit it where even ak could not have caught it
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Frank is back.
back again.
he still sucks.
someone tell Tony.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
whew, that could have been ugly
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Just another
2, 3, 1 inning for Franklin.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
well what do you know?
Frank got out of it.
think TRL will let YP close this puppy out?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
LinedriveWick!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
have to
miles is out of the game
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
3rd botched bunt in 2 weeks
aren’t light hitting MIFs supposed to , you know, know how to f-in bunt?
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was that ball fair?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I thought it bounced
foul but what do I know.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it was foul, and thats a play for the home ump to call
what the heck was he doing?
Skippy grounded out. shocking.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Young Pitcher is in
throw gas young man
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
maybe i should have said throw stikes Young Pitcher
sheesh. does it always have to be this hard?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
the prez
is giving out free passes tonight
patterson tried to refuse, but the prez nsisted
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you gotta be freaking kidding me
how can he have the balls to demand a trade? after his piss poor play, he’s damn lucky to have a job.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Best news I have heard in 3 weeks.
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
think we could trade him for jim edmonds again?
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
"playing great, then I wouldn't play for a while"
Uh get in line, AK.
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until there is one on every Major League roster." - HBT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 18, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i just read the article
love the title: “Kennedy wants Cards to trade him”
Mo: “Dude, I’ve been trying, believe me I have…”
Seriously though, i feel bad for the guy; he’s never not tried, never not hustled or been lazy; he played through pain and did everything he could to help the team win. he’s just not good at hitting a baseball anymore. He was very diplomatic about the whole thing in his real quotes, imho (the one in your title is a bit misleading, but funny given the way the team is playing ;). It’s sad that he’s gonna be replaced by a jerk like Lopez, who will have to put up close to an .850 OPS to replace AK’s glove with his own and whose attitude seems to be much more volatile.
Also, and this is pretty banal, but it says he “asked” to be traded, it didn’t say he “demanded” to be traded. Actually, I don’t think he has the right to demand a trade, since you have to have been traded while under a long-term contract to have that right. Since he signed as a free agent, he’s stuck with his lot in life unless Mo feels charitable.
An interesting riposte would be if Mo publicly offered to void his contract and let him become a free agent. If Kennedy qualified for the “demand a trade” clause of the CBA that AK signed under, that is what Mo’s response would have to be, if he couldn’t find a mutually suitable trade partner.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
I do feel bad for him
he has to know that none of the fans like him. He goes through life looking so miserable, it can’t be fun being Adam Kennedy.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
playing baseball for a living
and making $3.5 mil this year…nope doesn’t sound like very much fun…
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
don't get the
let him take 2nd lose the double play approach
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never have got that
it just makes no freakin sense
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by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
might as well trade him too before they ruin him. right?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
come the frick on YP!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
We are in love with the slider tonight
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Tonight, I don't think YP knew where the fastball was going
until it was halfway to the plate. But I’d still rather see it than a low slider
the prez
seems to be a graduate of the izzy school of closing
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Tony is taking Perez out?
Are you high?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Odd move but oh well.... Its a great test for Motte.
At least Motte is getting good experience at the end of the season
and he's pulling him?
why? because he’s not throwing the ball low enough?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
another shout out to front office and ownership
“hey! get me a real closer!”
kindof like putting two super scrubs in the outfield to start the game
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
because the D should have caught that fly ball to center?
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by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He is not locating very well.... He seems like he is fighting it..
Perez has been figting it a lot lately. Just does not seem quite the same
It is BS that he is taking him out.
but atleast he is bringing in another rookie
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 18, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
and we are in serious need of a strikeout
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Al
His fastball is not better than Chris Perez. It has another 2-3mph but is TOTALLY STRAIGHT. Perez throws 96mph with movement.
Given the choice between Motte and Perez's fastball
I’ll take Perez every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Perez
He just has soo much run, his FB is not hitting the zone…… Guys are not chasing either, wonder if they see it well or what.
He just needs to start it a bit more in on hitters.
The run would be great
if he started it in the middle of the plate. But they want him pitching the corners, down and away. That’s never going to be a strike.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he can hit corners with it... He just needs to find the right release point.
He just has not thrown enough to know where he needs to release the ball. See Motte has the advantage since he is not a closer and he has goten more use since obviously there have not been many save opportunities.
I remember even when Izzy was closer there would be like 7 game stretches where Izzy would not even pitch.
It's almost like Perez is actually working on stuff since he has more pitches right now.
Motte is just getting ball and throwing ball. He is not thinking about much and that can really get you on a roll, just attacking batters and not trying to be too fine.
come on porkchopsandapplesauce!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Streak over!
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 18, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
and a 1-run game, no less
our third victory in a one-run game since the all-star break. Yeesh.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
AND THAT'S A WINNER!!!!
whew. haven’t been able to say that in a while
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
ahhh
relief
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by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
motte
brings the sauce, gotta love it
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would have been nice
to see Motte in July
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same thing crossed my mind
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 18, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously i just got home from cleaning up more IKE debris.
what the hell is adam kennedy doing in RF
asking to be traded
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
I've got your answer right here
“When you’re trying to decide between whether Stavinoha gets an at-bat, or Phelps gets an at-bat or Barton, I think we know what Barton’s capable of. We’ve given him enough playing time,” La Russa explained. “Barton’s future is what he does next year. Phelps, Stavinoha and Ryan in the outfield have not had the same opportunity. If I thought it was a clear advantage to play Barton I would, because we’re trying to win games. But I think it’s a pretty even call so I give everybody a chance.”
I’m going to print that out and pull it out on a rainy day when I need a good laugh.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he bats lefthanded.
reds had a right hander starting.
seriously. there you go.
lopez played second because they want to see if he’s an option at that position next year, so kennedy in right.
that’s as rational as its gonna get.
Tony never would have done that to Izzy
No mound visit, nothing. Just give me the damn ball.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Izzy wouldn't have closed
as a rookie with Tony.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
nor for anyone
he had a 2.81 ERA in 14 starts as a 22yo rookie. It was that brutal sophomore season that redefined him as a pitcher… he wasn’t really a closer (or even a decent reliever) until billy beane got ahold of him in oakland.
(curious bit of trivia I thought was relevant)
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
maybe he's finally just too disgusted
to care
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yeah. they won. who cares.
if he leaves perez in and he blows the save, everyone’s going apeshit that he was left in and after allowing the first run.
motte came in, and the team won. that’s all that matters. kennedy in right, miles in left, whatever. who cares, we won. FINALLY.
Rumor is Big Z may be shutdown
until playoffs.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I vote new curse
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until there is one on every Major League roster." - HBT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 18, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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