Game 151 Open Thread- 17th September, 2008
by the red baron on Sep 17, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
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Losing
The Cardinals are already on what has been a season high losing streak (6). Tonight, they stare down loss #7. The last time they lost 7 games in a row? September 13th of last season. The pitcher that handed it to them? Aaron Harang.
Yikes.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
didnt they hang like 10 runs on Harang last time?
Hopefully they do something like that.
I don’t even think this team could blow that kinda lead
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At least we can have fun
watching the 500 dogs sitting in the seats at the game!
How will Tony ever be able
to pay attention?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he won't
that could be the key to winning this game.
Too harsh?
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Someone said that Tony said in the pregame
that ‘we know what we have in Brian Barton out there, we want to see what we have in Brendan Ryan’.
AKA: We’ve given up.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we had a IFer in Ryan
not an OFer
by bearcatcardfan on Sep 17, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
back to this...
I guess we know what we have in stavinoha, as well. Poor guy.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Yeah, unfortunately he's not very good.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
TLR's pre-game explanation
In his interview was, Barton’s been up the whole year, they know what they have in him.
Using that logic, wouldn’t it make sense to bring up a young OF’er and a young 3Baseman. Or, perhaps just put Ryan at 2nd, sit Grit, and let the young guy Barton play?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
If I've learned anything about Tony
it’s that explanations aren’t theories. They are isolated to one 1 event and should not be tested or applied to others.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it is kinda hard not to have a better line than Ryans
Barton’s line is .274 .361 .400
Ryan’s line is .243 .306 .291 (worst offensive OFer in STL history?)
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is there a record
for the most OFs used during the course of 1 season?
So far we’re at: Duncan, Skip, Ludwick, Ankiel, Barton, Mather, Phelps, Stavinoha, Miles, Lopez, Ryan; didn’t Adam Kennedy play out there a game or two?
The only players we haven’t run out there are Colby Rasmus and the ghost of Luis Saturria!
au contraire, mon frere!
try this game w/ him in LF and just this past Sunday with him in RF.
Forgot about Rico, though. Wow!
IT DID NOT HAPPEN (it couldn't have)
we were all hallucinating. It makes me feel better to think that way
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rico washington got a game in RF
kennedy has played both left and right ;)
Sometimes I wonder if the whole first half of this season was a hallucination, though.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
it doesn't really matter
we are out of the playoff hunt
Oh yeah, we are not out of the playoff race.
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If we lose tonight
and New York wins, we are out of it.
If it goes the other way, we are right in it.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, we are basically out of it
but just playing .500 ball over the last couple of weeks would tell a totally different story, and this kinda stuff has been going on for a couple weeks at least
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yeah
I don’t think they wanted to make the playoffs this year, because they sure could have.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're sayin theres a chance!?!?!?!?!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yes we are.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Mets winning 2-0
Marlins dominating Astros again 3-0.
Marlins are going 13-0 and stealing what should have been our playoff spot.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
Phils up 4-0
in the first. Man, I remember the last time our bats were hot – against Atlanta pitching.
by ccthemovieman on Sep 17, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't care about Philly
they are long gone. The Mets are ripe to pick off with their 3 vs FLA, 4 vs CHC.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that is a sweet deferred contract Griffey has from the Reds
if Al is to be believed, 5M a year for the next 15 years after he retires?
Poor bastard
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WHIP of 3.0 for the game so far
but the no-hitter is intact!
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
People will question LaRussa for letting Wellemeyer throw 175 pitches
but it isn’t every day a pitcher can throw a no hitter.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
the odds actually go way up
if you walk the leadoff man each inning (and if you do it on 4 pitches, it’s even fairly effficient).
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
if you would have told me even a month ago
that this would be a lineup TLR was going to run out there, id have told you i think he’s trying to get fired……..
and im still not sure he isnt.
yeah
it sure seems that way. how many goofy lineups has he put out this year?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert is floating to the front side
again. Which, is what he does when he is slumping. He is out on his front foot on everything.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
Just to make sure I am reading between the lines.
Tony will stay if we Sign K-Rod for our Closer and trade a package that includes Rasmus and one other outfielder for an “impact” OF bat.
sayonara larussa
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that settles it
Enjoy being GM in Seattle, Tony.
And we will take Felix Hernandez for any veteran player on our team not named Pujols if you want.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing they didn't say that
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No I am not saying they said that.
Yesterday they said that while we do have Perez. It wouldn’t hurt for the team to look for a Vet closer.
Then today they said that this off season we are looking for an impact bat and that the OF is full with Ludwick, Ankiel, Skip, Duncan and Mather (yes those are the only names mentioned) and that to improve on that would require the Cards to move an organizational player that we covet.
they did talk about rasmus yesterday though
i can’t remember the context, but they talked about him.
Hopefully they are setting the fan base up for the devastating Schumaker trade…
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
mike just said and hasn't given up a hit and whamo
by bearcatcardfan on Sep 17, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
to the guy with the .579 OPS
the GOB do have a sense of humor…
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Sweet Moses
back to back and that last one was crushed.
We’ve all given up.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
welley is well done
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
2 solo HRs by the Reds
does that mean we are scoring 7 runs tonight?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
When do we start asking
if the Cards will win ANY more games this year?
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
When they get swept at home
to close out the season, there will be garbage thrown on the field. I’m almost certain of it. This is going to be a very ugly situation if this trend continues.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Or else there will just be an empty stadium
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
Nah, cub fans won't be in town that weekend.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
and Jason Marquis implodes in chicago
can’t even be happy about it, since they are playing the brewers. aargh.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
How to deal with such a mindbending dilemma??
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
why are we playing
like the season is over?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we playing like the seasons over
because it is? Or is the season over because we are playing like this?
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
trying to make sense of that post
is slightly less painful than watching this game
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
dude, far out
What if, uh, C-A-T, really spelled dog?
;)
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
nice
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
because it is.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
is Ryan our RF
because the game feels like it is over when we are 3 runs down, or does the game feel like it is over because Ryan in our RF?
That wasn’t as fun as I had hoped
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I thinking watching a shotgun go off in my face
would be more pleasant than this experience.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
continuing the OT wanderings
washington just got 3 walks and two singles in one inning, and only scored one run.
That’s not easy to do; kind of makes you wonder if Mets ace Brandon Knight is just toying with them.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
i read TLR's response in one of HL's posts above and
we could have figured out what we had in Ryan 6 months ago at 2B when Kennedy was trotting out there every freakin day and hitting like a 12 year old. what the hell Tony
yeesh
Glaus has just missed crushing a couple of those pitches.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
and welley grits out a quality start
pretty impressive.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Any good feeling I had about this season
are being slowly erased. In fact, I’m becoming quite bitter about it.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Woah
Tony is pissed at Miles for not slapping down on the ball. What the hell was that?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
It was on FSN Ohio
he did a backhand chop with a pissed off face towards Miles.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He just hit Hal McRae's chair
he’s losing it!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he must have read VEB!
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony and Dave
are pacing through the dugout.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the pacing......Dave does not do it much
I remember seeing Tony pissed at Pinero during the ATL series…
it shows they care after all!
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
like a couple of starving dogs?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
just trying to get into dusty's head
clever man.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
what the f
he hits em out of the IF more than any other of our MIFs, so no he has to slap down on he ball?
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THAT'S A HOMERUN!
review that shit.
Good job genius, not playing Barton.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
that's what I said
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the missing link!
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
Dan and Al are stupid......
Brian Barton has really good pop considering how he swings. He snaps his wrists very well, which is important in generating power.
he is showing up Tony!
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The lineup turned over though, right?
So, we get Skippy, Lopez and Pujols next inning…right?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
wow
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Brenneman "It's going to be a long night for those two, and it won't be a pleasent one"
Yeah, I’m sure a night in the drunk tank is going to be awful.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the fans?
Or Tony and Dave?
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
maybe Tony will pull a Whitey
remember when in mid-season, Herzog threw up his hands and said, “I can’t manage THIS team anymore.”
LaRussa could take the high road spin and say something like…it’s evident management will not spend enough money to get me the players I need to win with, so I’m moving on.
Since when is this about money?
We spent enough, but they were mostly all fragile old vets that predictably got hurt.
We have young players that might be able to help but we cannot use those so we are stuck with scrappy players devoid of talent.
See: Mulder, Carp, Clement, Izzy
For examples of spending money without results.
While possibly that's true...
Tony seems to be deliberately making the worst out of what he has. Starting Ryan at any position other than SS for instance (even if he handles them defensively, he doesn’t hit well enough to play anywhere else), when there are better options. Refusing to play youngsters if they were called up (Freese, Rasmus, etc).
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro
yeah
this team could easily be Pujols, Lopez, Ryan, Glaus, Barton, Ludwick, and Schu right now. which wouldn’t have been too bad.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We're going streaking!
Through the quad and into the gymnasium
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
Is that Martin Short and Ted Kaczynski?
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
If Albert can win for the children with Downs Syndrome
why can’t Tony win for the Dogs?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Arm injuries this year
nothing to play for.
98 pitches.
Sure Dusty, run Harang back out there for another inning.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
Reds' announcers discussing that very point
Dustbag is a major pitcher abuser (see Wood, Pryor. et al)
Ben Sheets = injured
Goodbye playoffs, Milwaukee.
You can stop pee’ing your pants.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
You both need to get back in here and sit down.
There is nothing to be happy about.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The more things change
the more they stay the same.
Welcome to 2007.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Its not Mo's fault that Ryan was our starting RF
Or that Miles has played CF
I was just saying there could be some harsh comments coming from somewhere soon...
I don’t know what, I just can belive it will be all quite as the Cards keep losing.
I agree with you
But no one seems willing to challenge TLR. Even the media seem afraid of him.
Wouldn't you be
he already told them during the pregame that he had his fungo ready if they asked ‘the wrong questions’.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
so he's gonna beat them with a fungo bat?
are they all really so scared that he’s actually going to assault someone?
Uh oh! Tony has the fungo out like when Josh Hancock died...
Tony was being a world class prick challenging the media about asking questions about why a guy who was wasted was drinking and driving.
Why?
Tony is a large part of the reason they are losing, opting to start middle infielders in the outfield (including Ryan, who just doesn’t hit, period) instead of Barton or Stavinoa (sp?) (the latter of whom hasn’t hit much, but at least hit at AAA unlike Ryan). And Tony has refused to let Mo call up guys from AAA, saying he wouldn’t play them (in favor of Ryan and Floppy and the horde of MIFs)
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro
imagine how the pitchers feel
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
wow
at least the pain was quick
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
has the 09 schedule been discussed on here already?
i didn’t read the main thread today.
we play detroit again, but at least this time its in st. louis.
that should be cool, “welcoming” them back to busch and all.
gag.
Why do they leave ESPN on in the background? My own fault, because I hear:
“[Are you] getting bored with Albert Pujols?”
“…I just like my MVP to come from a team that’s won something.”
I don’t even want to know who’s calling this game.
- Y.2.2
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until there is one on every Major League roster." - HBT
looks like i missed some fun tonight*
actually i watched most of that crap, i just could not get to a computer.
BOOG in right? glad to see Tony hasn’t thrown in the towel*
mother of ass what the hell are MO & Dewitt thinking? they have the power to stop this madness yet they sit there on their hands doing nothing. when is someone going to be held accountable for this mess?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Freese
What positions can he play? I’m assuming 3rd and 1st? Anything else?
When is the last time TLR had a bench player that could only play those two positions?
i think he played some outfield in memphis
not sure. i think just about every player in memphis this year played some outfield.
not that it matters. if can put ryan and miles in the outfield, i’m sure he wouldn’t mind putting freese out there.
he'd probably be a better 2B/SS than Lopez or Spiezio...
Anyway, as far as “the last”, I’d guess John Mabry?
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Mabry played lots of OF
along with 1B and 3B and i think some emergency catcher, or at least it was talked about… never mind no catching in games but he did pitch twice, not for Cards though…
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
If LaRussa is here next year
Freese won’t be, unless Glaus is severely injured.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
why not?
if mather and stavinoha can get some playing time this year, why wouldn’t freese get a chance next year? it depends on what’s going on with the roster of course, but i bet freese will get a long look in spring training at least.
its too early to make assumptions about who will or won’t play next year, i think.
Freese is a 3B
it makes no sense to try and turn him into a LF like they’ve done with every other player they’ve called up this year.
God help us if we can’t find enough guys to play the OF. If we have a need in the OF, it darn well better be Rasmus from Memphis and later in the year Jones from Springfield/Memphis.
Freese only playing time will be as a backup 3B for Troy Glaus, which means very little PT. He will stay in AAA.
If they try to turn him into anything other than what he is (hot corner), I’ll have lost all faith in the organization to put it’s foot down and end this silliness of turning everyone into a utility player.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i wasn’t trying to say he should play the OF. i just meant its not as if younger players aren’t getting at bats. if there’s a need for a third basemen, he could very well be the guy they go to.
outside of that, he isn’t much use to the team if all he plays is one position. how many teams carry a guy on their bench that only backs up third base?
and he won’t be a better option than glaus at third base by next year anyway. defensively or offensively.
none of that has anything to do with la russa, either. teams just don’t carry two third basemen, unless they’re platooning (which rarely happens).
Right
which is why if LaRussa is back, Freese will be in AAA. Tony won’t carry a guy solely as a PH’er and a backup 3B. Especially carrying 13 pitchers.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2008 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And he shouldn't.
Glaus is going to get most of the time, so why carry a guy that can only play one position? I know you don’t like it, but Ryan, Lopez, and a host of others can all fill in at 3rd when needed.
Now, if Freese can play another position, adequately, he might find a bench spot. I just don’t recall him playing anything but 3B in AAA this year.
by SoonerfanTU on Sep 18, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
hell Lopez can fill in
not adequately though. Why can’t we have a real corner IF backup? This super utility type player nonsense is crazy.
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HEY TONY
Na na na na na na na na
Hey hey hey
Goodbye
Thanks for all that you have done. Thanks for the trips to the playoffs and getting us to World Series again and bring home a championship. But as they say all good things must come to and end and it’s time for you to go. Good Luck in your Future Endeavors.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
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