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I was perusing mlbtraderumors.com and came across the chat they had yesterday.  It seemed that more than one Giants fan believed that Jonathan Sanchez would be made available this offseason in a bid to get infield help, specifcally power hitting corner infield help.  They have pitching coming up through the pipelines with the likes of Madison Bumgardner(or is it Roenhauser? Gardenhoser?) so the fans think Sabean my spin Sanchez for a young power hitting CI.  The guy that runs mlbtraderumors.com implied that they may wait to trade him till next year's trade deadline, just to make sure their young pitchers can handle AAA first and show they are ready for the bigs.

My suggestion is to trade somebody for Sanchez.  I'll talk about who that somebody could/should be later.  First, I'll focus on Sanchez.

According to Cott's, he had just under 2 years of ML service, so I think he is under team control for 4 more years, with arbitration starting after next season.  That is a good thing that will probably drive his cost up a bit.  His numbers look pretty good, even though his ERA is a little high.  His peripherals are good enough that you can see his upside and his FIP is somewhat encouraging.  Maybe in front of a little better defense, that ERA will drop.  These numbers, his age, and his cheapness make him a solid option as a number 3/4 type starter.  Trading for him would obviously be cheaper financially and in terms of draft picks that signing a Derek Lowe, AJ Burnett type.  I don't know anything about his mechanics and he did have a trip to the DL this season with some rotator cuff tightness, but besides that, I can't find any other signs of injury.  Someone who knows pitching mechanics may be able to better speak to what kind of injury risk he may or may not be.

A rotation of Carp, Waino, Welly, Sanchez, insert name here(Boggs, Looper, Piniero, McClellan?) looks pretty solid to me.  Sanchez's Southpawedness balances it out nicely.  Plus, if he does not cut it as a starter, then you have a cheap LH reliever who held Lefties to a .220 average this season(though they did slug .409 against him...ughh).

Now to the question of who to trade for him.  The Giants seem to be looking for power hitting CI's.  Fortunately for the Cardinals, we have a surplus of those type players in our system.  Steve Hill(1B?), Allen Craig(3B), David Freese(3B), and Brett Wallace(3B) all fit the bill.  I'm not going to mention Brett Wallace anymore because I don't think we can trade him until June, and even then, right now, he's untouchable for me.  That leaves Hill, Craig, and Freese.  I think Hill's lack of a true position could cause problems, but I also think that he can play 1B and know that he can mash.  Craig plays an average to above average 3B and call also mash.  Freese plays a good 3B and can mash and hit for a pretty good average.  His MLE is .264/.318/.446 with 19 HR, which is not a lot worse than what Glaus has put up in St. Louis this season.  I actually think that Freese's average would be slightly higher than that(along with a bump in OBP).  I don't know exactly what the Giants want, but I'm guessing they want a major league ready player.  Hill and Craig are not, but I believe Freese could definitely hold his own as the starting 3B for a team like the Giants.  Would Freese be enough to pry Sanchez away? Would we need to throw in a C-level prosepect to make it work?  Maybe even one of our flamethrowing RH relievers we have in the minors?  I don't know, but I definitely think that Mo should call Sabean and try to work out a deal.

I'd hate to see Freese go, because I think he could be a valuable reserve for the Cards next season.  But I think by trading for Sanchez, we could save money to make a run at Furcal or Hudson, which would go long way in helping our MI and offense.  Plus it would give us at least 4 cheap years of a solid #3 starter.  Dave Duncan does scare me with young lefties though.

Thoughts?

 

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So youre saying....

the Giants are looking for a left-handed power hitting 1B? i haven’t heard that before…

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Sep 17, 2008 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea yea

thats what we have always heard…but looking at their options at third, they could use a guy like freese

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 17, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not

really all that close to what Glaus has done this year. Something like 25 or 30 pts of EqA.

Anyway, if they’d trade Sanchez for a package around Freese we should do that yesterday. He has his control issues, but a starting pitcher under team control striking out a batter an inning is quite a commodity. It would take more than that.

by haltz on Sep 17, 2008 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea freese's equivalents are not as good as glaus's real numbers

but they arent a long way off…i made that point to show that the giants would be getting a young, cheap 3B who will put up numbers that are legitamitely worthy of a starting spot on a team like the giants

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 17, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freese, by himself,

isn’t enough. Brett Wallace gets the trade done before Mo finishes saying the word “Wallace.” But I wouldn’t trade Wallace just yet.

It would take Freese + to get this deal done but, while Sabean’s hard to figure out, I think it can get done. I think it’ll take more than a C-level prospect. Let’s face it — Sanchez is better than Pineiro and probably more valuable to the team than Wellemeyer at this point. With Carp’s health a question mark, Sanchez could be our #2 starter to begin next season. He won’t come cheaply.

Freese + Bryan Anderson probably gets this done but I’d prefer keeping Anderson if possible. Freese + Boggs? Should we do that? I think they would. Freese + Jay gets it done as well, I think, and while I’m open to trading Jay, would rather see if we could keep him. Bottom line: I think it takes Freese (who I’m definitely willing to part w/ in a trade for Sanchez) + someone who is close to the bigs. An A-ball prospect, I don’t think, is close enough. Jay, Anderson, Boggs — that’s the kind of prospect it would take. They’d take Mather as well though I’d rather hang on to him.

by chuckb on Sep 17, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Freese + Anderson + Piniero

the Cards can even eat most of that contract. Sanchez takes Piniero’s place in the rotation,

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 17, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would we do that?

just to get them to take Pineiro? He’s only signed for 1 more year and trading him in this deal would simply open a hole that has to be filled by signing a free agent pitcher. I don’t even want to do Freese+Anderson and, while I’m no fan of Pineiro, I don’t want to throw in Anderson to get them to take a player whose spot we’ll have to fill next year.

I’d do Freese + Pineiro though I doubt they would.

by chuckb on Sep 18, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was typing under the assumption

that it would take both Freese and Anderson to get him. The idea of packaging Piniero in there is only a good idea if you can get them to throw in another player, or eat most of his contract.

My disdain for Piniero knows no logic

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C. Duncan

… left-handed hitting 1B (Duncan) + Craig + a pitching prospect (Boggs—supposedly the best starting pitching prospect in the PCL). I do that deal in heartbeat.

by jjray on Sep 17, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My 1st fanpost

was a proposal of Duncan/Thompson for Sanchez/Velez this spring training. Of course I got reamed, which is fine, but fact of the matter is it would have been a super steal then. Now, if we could do it for a B level prospect and a C level or two we’d have to do it. Problem is, they’re going to be looking at the Hamilton/Volquez deal and want at least one A level prospect. I agree Rasmus or Wallace would get it done, but obviously we don’t want to do that. I dont think its impossible to do it without either of these two, but the package would have to have all the right pieces, probably Freese+Jay+Boggs

by RayMonD! on Sep 18, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not A Fan

I’m not a fan of Jonathan Sanchez’s pitching mechanics.

Like Jaime Garcia, he’s got a problematic arm action and I see signs of a timing problem.

Pass.

by thepainguy on Sep 19, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are You Kidding?

Duncan has absolutely no trade value right now. He played poorly this year and had surgery on his neck. Those two things killed any trade value he might have had.

Right now, the best case scenario trade would be something involving Allen Craig. Boggs and Herron might be able to get it done, but you never know with Saeban.

by AP5 on Sep 19, 2008 11:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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