Game 149 Open Thread: Sept 16 2008
by lboros on Sep 16, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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PrintSt. Louis Cardinals at Cincinnati Reds, Sep 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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| Looper | Arroyo |
| 12-12, 4.02 | 14-10, 4.65 |
best-laid-plans dept.: since acquiring adam dunn from the reds on august 11, the diamondbacks have seen their scoring avg drop from 4.5 runs per game to 4.1. the reds, meanwhile, have increased their scoring average from 4.3 runs a game to 4.5. his spot in the lineup has largely been taken over by chris dickerson, a 26-year-old rookie with a late-blooming bat. he's hit .309 / .417 / .629 since the trade in 97 at-bats; dunn's line is .253 / .444 / .465. . . . . .
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Why does Tony still start Izz2?
He hasn’t been good all year and is just getting worse. I can say without question Ryan couldn’t be any worse.
and is Ryan says “I guess that’s a compliment”
I would say “No, not really.”
I'd like to see Barden at SS
Why not? He seems to be a decent, cheap possibility for utility guy next year
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro
he has spent most of the year in AAA at SS, no?
I suppose maybe they are waiting to be officially eliminated?
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Just in case anyone hasn't seen it
Revised lineup:
Skip CF
Floppy LF
APu 1B
Luddy RF
Glaus 3B
Bugs 2B
Stache C
Loop P (he really needs a better nickname, no?)
Iztoo SS
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and it was just on FSN
forgot to add that.
They said that Glaus was gonna go ahead and test out the shoulder.
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Nothing like having a player play hurt in a meaningless game...
And we wonder why we have so many long term injuries.
bugs?
where did that come from?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I guess I have to take credit for it.
I called Miles Bugs Bunny the other day because he plays every position.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
First ever post!
Come on Cards! Let’s start that 13-game winning streak!
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
if the Cards do go 13-0 from here on out
I will buy tickets to a Cards game next year to the first 13 people who respond to the “Crazy Mattyfrommo!” fanpost which will go up seconds after that miracle happens.
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Let me just take a screenshot of that comment...
evidence. muahaha.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
Does the offer apply in California?
Obama/Pujols 2008.
by davethebutcher on Sep 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose
but I won’t pay for the plane ticket!
Oh, you meant at a stadium in California? Sure, why not. I get to pick the ticket though.
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fair enough.
Let’s go Cardinals!!!
Obama/Pujols 2008.
by davethebutcher on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
pop out to shortstop
Obama/Pujols 2008.
by davethebutcher on Sep 16, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome back Troy
boy have we missed you
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Troy can miss no more games as a Cardinal
until they call Wallace up
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Nice return to the lineup
abbreviated swing, too, by Glaus!
welcome back santa!
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
you want the better hitter batting 9th?
wait, that might be the logic behind batting the pitcher 8th.
I think too much thinking about this might make my head explode
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come on your head would explode
looper’s bating 250 while iz2 is batting 247
by bearcatcardfan on Sep 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
you know your SS is in sad shape
when the pitcher is out slugging him by 17 points.
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I'm just going to pretend
that we’re much closer to making the postseason than we actually are.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
even though the cards are in a skid, its still kinda sad to hear about
Man, its gotta suck for him. Being one of the top prospects in baseball, and then ending up with arm issues and will only be remembered for 06 Game 1 World Series. Still, I feel for the guy, and hope him all the best.
The NL Central Blog.com
if it isn't anything serious
then that isn’t such bad news. Actually being considered for the rotation in 09? Reyes has to be ecstatic hearing that.
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hell,
he probably shit his pants when he heard that he didn’t have to deal with LaDunca anymore!
The NL Central Blog.com
Yea, I like the praise in the article.
About having success working in, out, down and UP :)
Funny how when you don’t concede half the zone to the hitter you can have some success.
I was expecting a lot of clucking
over the Yost firing. The Brennamann kid is spitting out feigned outrage.
Have the Brewers
given any reason for it other than “jump starting” the team?
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
Ok...
So I’ve now read a ton of “Who’s laughing now?” type articles regarding the Astros. Their run only highlights why “going for it” at the deadline was such a dumb move. They’ve gone 33-13 since Wolf made his first start, Ty Wigginton has turned into Ted Williams, every bounce has gone their way, and for what? According to BP they have a 7.6% chance at the postseason.
i respect them for it.
as should any other fan of sportsmanship. Teams giving up midseason annoys me to no end.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Well...
the idea is that “giving up” increases the team’s chances at making the playoffs in future years.
This futile run makes it less likely they’ll be competitive in 2010-2012. Moving Tejada and Valverde would have cleared salary and restocked for future deadline deals when they actually had a reasonable chance.
what kind of prospects
did they give up for Wolf & Hawkins?
Hell, I looked em up. Matt Cusick for Hawkins, and Chad Reineke for Wolf. It looks like they gave up the better prospect for Hawkins.
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They didn't give up...
David Price or anything, but they could’ve gotten out of having to pay $20 million in ’09 to Tejada and Valverde. C
ouple that with an offseason trade of Oswalt to the Yanks for Hughes and others and Berkman for a big haul and they’d be back on the right path.
I can see giving up Tejada and Valverde
but they would have had to get a monster haul if they were gonna give up Oswalt and Berkman, because the fan base might have deserted them
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if by "right path"
you mean “spiral into Royal/Pirates class of futility” then yeah, that’s the way to go.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
I agree
that would be tantamount to us having given up Carpenter and Pujols. Now that would be BSFI
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No, no...
we have a legitimate window of opportunity to win while Carp and Pujols are in their prime or early decline. This is due to solid players surrounding them, young players coming up, and the payroll flexibility to add as needed.
The Astros don’t currently have enough to win now and they have nothing on the horizon. At seven games above their pythag they have a 7% chance of making the playoffs, and their old team is going to be older and worse next year.
of course with free agency
you are never totally out of contention if you are willing to spend, and the Astros have shown that they are willing to do that.
I just think if you give up Berkman in his prime you are sending a terrible message to the fans.
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So basically...
what you’re saying is that any team not mathematically eliminated on 7/31 should be a buyer?
are you saying
that any team that is mathematically eliminated on 7/31 should be a seller? I can almost see that logic, but selling the cornerstones of your franchise just because you are out of contention is a terrible idea
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I was just saying they...
should’ve moved Valverde and Tejada at the deadline. That would have made sense whether they did a full-bore rebuild in the off-season (by moving Berkman and Oswalt) or going for it in 2009 with the same cast of characters.
$7 million for Valverde and his 3.5 FIP is unpleasant, and of course Tejada is washed up.
that last part I can't argue with
I am just glad that I was never on the “wish the Cards had went after Tejada” bandwagon
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not necessarily
sometimes you have to dance with the one that brung ya. Some situations do call for selling- like Walker, who was about to retire and could bring value to the team by moving him.
I actually think more teams who are out of contention should make deadline moves focused on winning NEXT year…
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
yeah, but cusick is a future 1B/3B
his defense at second is terrible, and he can’t hit well enough as a 22yo in A ball to be a prospect at 2B. He’s edgar V gonzales, 5 years younger.
They didn’t give up anything worth anything, and by not giving up they now have a shot at the playoffs. And how many tickets did they sell for the last 2 months that they wouldn’t have sold?
and do you really think anyone would have given anything for a guy making $12M/year who is being outhit by aaron miles? V, sure, but tejada had no value after April. if Lee doesn’t get hurt, the astros are easy wild card favorites right now.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
the problem is that they had no farm to sell
through bad drafts, signing Carlos Lee, failing to sign those they did draft, and trading them for Tejada and Valverde
For Hawkins and Wolf, they gave up the last vestiges of their farm system — which were table scraps, except MAYBE Brian Bogusevic, who played about half a season in the OF after being moved from the mound b/c the former 1st rounder was awful.
Their farm has nothing. Should they have made the trades at the deadline? Who cares? It raised their chances of winning this year from infinitesimal to minuscule and only exacerbated the problems in their farm system. They didn’t give up great prospects — only b/c they had none to give. Their major sin was committed in the offseason when they failed to recognize that this wasn’t a playoff-caliber team and they acted as though they were just a couple of players away from the World Series.
Should they have been sellers? Probably but they don’t have much to sell. Their most tradeable commodities have no-trade clauses in their contracts. I guess they could try pawning off Tejada or selling high on Valverde since it would make no sense to re-sign him after ‘09, but this team’s in a big hole that finishing 3rd in the division is only going to further mask. I don’t care what the records look like at the end of the season (ok, I do) but I’d MUCH rather be us than them … and it’s not even close.
But that's not the point
the point is that they got a valuable bullpen arm and an average starter for the stretch run for absolutely nothing. The idea that we couldn’t match that with a much deeper farm system I’m sure is what is upsetting to some.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
I thought this part was about the Astros and whether or not they should have bought or sold at the deadline. See guayzimi’s post here.
Whoops
I got lost in the string there.
His point is valid, however that 7.6% is greatly effected by the fact that they had their lives turned upside down by a Hurricane.
For the Astros, going all in worked because their future is going to be awful for years to come (unless Drayton buys them out of it).
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
He's utilizing his
full repertoire tonight. A home run and swinging bunt, I like it!
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Floppy should have had that.
I wish TLR would give Barton a start…
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean he went 2-for-3 on Sunday...
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
At least Loop still has the no hitter going
from the plate.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
It helps when we only
give up 1 hit. Just wish we had a little more insurance.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
boo, hiss
just found out Cubs/Brewers game not on WGN tonight. And I am stuck with the obnoxious Brennemann kid on the Cincy network
you wanna watch the Cubs-Brewers?
you might need help, because that is just BSI
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I wanted to hear
discussion about Yost. And to watch the Brewers’ attitudes on the field. Why is that BS ?
oh, I meant if you actually enjoyed watching a Cubs-Brewers series
understandable, I would like to see the reaction myself.
People who enjoy Cubs baseball are just insane in my book
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who's in left field
that looked like a lazy effort by the outfielder on getting to that ball and coming up throwing
that would be the guy
cut from the nats for being lazy. and for sucking.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
and misplayed the carom off the wall
and gave up a hit earlier by getting a bad jump on a ball.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
and that was his first miscue in the OF since he came over
wait, no it wasn’t
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Didn't see it
couldn’t have happened.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
nice job, felipe
glad to see you doing your part.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
because he was the one screwing up at the time...
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
you're right
I’ve never posted about the offense being problematic because of streaky hitters or the powerless punch at the bottom.
Thanks for clearing that up. You’re so myopic in your defense of certain players its tiresome.
Does that include Lopez, too?
Since he seems to be immune from any criticism…
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro
Looper has pitched a fine game
Miles should’ve turned the DP earlier in the inning. I say blame the offense for scoring 1 effing run.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
looper (or miles) is at fault for it being 2-1
3-1 is lopez fault, for missing the cutoff man and giving up a run.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Tom Browning
“We like them having Felipe Lopez out there in LF, don’t we…giggle, giggle, giggle.”
I bet every team feels that way, Tom.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
and at SS, and 2B, and especially 3B
giggle, giggle.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
How quickly will this game be over now?
whither offense, whither.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
mighty miles
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
It's sad though
when his fourth homer makes him the most powerful middle infielder on the team.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
if u add all the mif miles has 67% of HRs
by bearcatcardfan on Sep 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a LF obviously
plus he’s only 3 of his 5 since the trade.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
*oops
No trade. We picked him up after the worst team in the East dropped him
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sad doesn't even begin to explain that
if Lopez was’t on the team, he would have more HRs than the others combined
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I would not take that bet
Is a major upgrade really too much to ask for?
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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
you gotta be kidding me
no f’ing way
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Aaron F'ing Miles
i don’t believe he did that
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
What, you don't think 1 of the last 7 outs
aren’t valuable?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
tlr thinks we're tied
he missed the lopez miscue.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
I really liked how smooth Izturis was
slowly moving towards that groundball.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
so, uh, how about getting someone throwing up in the pen Tony?
Kenny might not be a bad option. just sayin
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Looper should be put...
on an 80 pitch or twice through the order limit, whichever comes first.
He should definitely never touch a bat in the 7th inning.
Why is that?
He’s been the only starter who has consistently gone deep into games this year. I trust loop in the 7th more than i trust our bullpen.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
you gotta be f'ing kidding me
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I actually think he was safe
even when i stopped it, it looked like the runner barely beat him
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nope, he was out
i hate these reds announcers. chris is such a homer & thommy boy hates everything. their act is old.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
yeah
I am much more irritated that we can never seem to turn the big dp’s this year
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 16, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
another great pick by albert
goes to waste.
Good thing we let Looper hit for himself.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
after the 3rd inning...
only 4 of Looper’s fastballs have been more than 89mph
tired arm?
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
+1
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
all those 114 and 117 pitch outings early in the season
taking their toll.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
thank goodness Troy is so tall
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i bet a million bucks
Skippy won’t take 2 strikes before swinging
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
too bad you're all too smart to bet against that one
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
damn Skip
you don’t have to start grounding into DPs on the left side of the infield now
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Is it a bad sign
when we start thinking about the positives of GIDP?
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he didn't slide into first?
that’s another one, maybe.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
at least I am getting a laugh out of it
and as things look now, I have about a .000000459 % chance of having to buy those tickets next year.
The team is SAVING ME MONEY , that is another positive
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Why not bunt?
You want Pujols to come to the plate with the tying run on, bunting would have done that.
And if they choose to walk Pujols, you bring the go ahead run with Ludwick.
God damn Tony and his freaking hit and run.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
and THAT is why pujols can't be MVP.
Because delgado would have had reyes and wright on base in front of him to knock in.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Please
don’t get started with Delgado. I don’t think I have the energy for it.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If Molina doesn't return
Skippy has a chance to lead the team in DPs as the leadoff hitter. That’s high cotton right there.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
only possible
pitcher 8th order
bat the pitcher 9, save skippy
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
The Nationals are trying to give us the Wild Card
but the Cardinals give it right back.
Will this thing get up to the glorious 8 number? Back to back seasons with September 9 game losing streaks?
Inquiring minds want to know.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
goes back to 7-31-08
the fo does nothing, we get nothing
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
This is not the front offices fault.
If the team was good enough to be in contention then, no reason it should have suddenly fell apart.
If you want to blame someone, blame the managers that insists on playing people hurt so he doesn’t have to use players that have not earned it (playing time).
Should I go out on a limb
and offer to buy tickets for the first 18 responders if we end the season on an 18 game losing streak?
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Tie game in Atlanta
stupid freaking Cardinals.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
Short leash for KMac
long leash for Looper (at 80+ pitches). Good to know.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
you should know by now KMac hasn't earned a long leash
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
KMac's a worn out rook...
so he obviously can’t work his way out. Loop’s a vet, he knows what he’ s doing…yeah
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why bring him in at all?
There has to be someone down there rested.
if only there was a guydown there who played a huge part of a WS winning bullpen,,,,
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
the one who has looked lights out
in the games he has entered? SSS and all, but still lights out?
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Ask TLR,
for he is the one of infinite wisdom
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
my head hurts
in comes Ronny V, and unless he plans on tackling the batter, there’s no way in hell this will turn out good for the Cards.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh
by bearcatcardfan on Sep 16, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i am hoping for that outcome
c’mon, we can’t be the only ones?
I don’t know if there is anyone I dislike on the Reds though.
No, GDM, he can’t tackle the Reds’ announcers
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i'd pay to see him take out chris
hell, i’ll buy everyone on VEB tickets to see it
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
"troy glaus...
…you have to assume he knew there were runners on first and second."
great insight there, al.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
oh, another gem
“you’d like to think that izturis was helping him out there…”
That would have been nice, yes.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
At this point of the season
I dont know why I put myself through this garbage.
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
Atlanta up 6-4
Chicago up 3-0
Nationals up 1-0
We would be 3.5 games back after tonight if this fraking team would pull their heads out of their arses.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
Well, we would be leading the WC if we had kept our season pace these past few weeks
but we have completely fallen apart
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ron villone
just gave up a two run double to COREY PATTERSON.
let that sink in a bit, then consider what jolbert cabrera- a player we cut from our spring traning roster, does.
Oh, we IBB’d the guy not good enough to make our AAA team. Nice.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Tony v Dusty
outthinking ourselves since 2001.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad out FO doesn't have the courage to so what MIL just did.
We could use a manager with a clue.
Ronny V should just tackle Dusty for Tony
maybe then this crap would begin to come to an end
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
maybe on the run should give 25 cent drinks for giving up 6 runs
by bearcatcardfan on Sep 16, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, the team needs the maid to come in
the have def crapped the bed
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and by yep i mean nope
if this team played like this all season I would have no hair left at all, and my walls would all be full of head shaped holes
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I can handle being bad.
But this is hard. It’s like it’s 12:01 and everyone turned into a pile of crap.
preachin to the choir man
I had almost quit drinking before this season.
/big ol fat lie
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WHY IS RON VILLONE STILL IN THIS GAME?!?!?
This is just bad baseball. Who the heck is making the same decisions every day and expecting them to work.
Honest to God, I think Tony has just given up.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
You can tell TLR has given up
on this game when Villone is still pitching after one batter.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
how can Tony be surprised Ronny V did that?
for as smart as he is supposed to be, i really gotta wonder just what the holy hell is going on between his ears.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
we should be playing the kids now, if
they were here. the bucs have 35 on active roster. do they really have more prospects than us that need some ml experience?
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
notice that andrew mccutchen — their best prospect, and a 21-yo triple-a cf to boot — isn’t one of those 35 though.
No, but he is with the team
not in uniform.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
for three days, according to mlb.com. that’s pretty small potatoes. same article says mccutchen’s resisting the pirates’ request to play winter ball.
Alot better than being told
“Hey, you’re hurt” and “You haven’t earned it”.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
nice job Albert, just don't blow out that elbow
oh wait,,,,
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Kelvin Jiminez?
Man, he really HAS given up.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
and now the game is officially over
we all might as well go get something to eat, and of course, something to drink
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
No instructions of Jiminez either
Tony was literally running from the mound after he handed him the ball.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
After all, Lopez, loop, KMac, Villone,. these are his A list players.
Its the rest of us that know better.
at least it isn't Kinney
if he would have called for Josh after that mess I might have…..I don’t know, but I am sure it would not have been good.
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gotta save him for tomorrow
because a game where you are down by 2 runs in the 9th is lost, duh.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
It's all about being better prepared to win tomorrow
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So then let Miles
toss to a few batters. At least give the game some entertainment value.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Al makes a lot of sense
these late season callups can get a player used to the big league scene.
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I just don't get it.
If you are a stat guy. Jimenez is worthless.
But if you aren’t a stat guy and just liek to “Watch” the game. what is there to like about Jimenez?
His pitches are straighter than straight and all aobut 92.
But he looks like one of those whispy
middle relievers with great stuff. It’s all about ‘looking’ like a good pitcher.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he has a sinker and a slider
Isn’t that all you need as a pitcher?
If you could get a cutter
which is just a faster version of the slider, you are all set.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, forgot the cutter
Yea, that reduces his value to us and Patella
Jerry Hairston gets thrown out
in a 5 run game? He really is a jackass.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
this the same ump from the Sunday game?
wow
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It honestly feels like Tony will start treating these as playoff
games when we are down to our elimination number.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
In all actuallity Dan
Smoltz had as much to do with us getting to the playoffs in 06 as Spezio did
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Albert is not even
gonna make up ground in the batting race. Waste of a game.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
87 mph and breaking away
is killing Ludwick these past few weeks.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
and june, i believe
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
7-2 beatdown
This is absurd. Someone has to be accountable. It’s the same thing that happened last year.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
well DeWitt, Luhnow, and MO are all sitting in the same box at this game
I am starting to get won over
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How amazing would that be
if he was fired after tonight’s game. Dusty gets the last laugh?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
of course Dewitt is there, but i had no idea Jeff & MO where
how can they not see what we all see?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i've officially run out of things to say
this is just wrong. so freaking wrong.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
This wouldn't be so damn painful
if we weren’t in about 99 % of these games that have been wasted away
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This team is an absolute atrocity right now, the only thing that I have left to cheer for
right now is hopefully they lose the remaining 13 games and somehow TLR, Dunc & McRae get fired or quit, but that is just wishful thinking on my part…so much for playing a hard 9, I think that Tony has lost this team, nobody seems to care & there is no way in hell that this team should lose 4 straight to teams like the Bucs & Reds
Speaking of the Reds, I have 2 tickets for the final Saturday night game of the year vs the Reds @ Busch, Section 256A along the 3rd base line, good seats, $65 face I believe, anyone that wants em can have em…I refuse to waste any more time & especially the gas money to get to St. Louis & watch an inferior product on the field
if they lose the last 18 games of the season
they better damn well be fired.
The thing is, with the way this team is playing, it isn’t much of a reach to think that it will happen.
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are you giving them away, or do you still want cash money for them?
because either way, i might be interested.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I might be interested
of course after the game I will be checking myself into a rehab program, or something
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Theyre freebies, boys, unless someone wants to make a small donation
but as of right now…gdm has 1st dibbs, I would feel bad to charge anyone to watch this team right now & by then all of the starters will probably be shut down & Grit will play all 9 positions…by himself
by buzzburton33 on Sep 16, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by then I might be eyeless
from watching this team with a fork too close by
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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
if no one else takes them let me know please
i’ll definitely take them. moving back to st. louis friday. haven’t been to busch in well over a year.
e-mail address is on my profile link.
my email is in my proile as well
so if you want to, send me a quick hi & i’ll be able to let you know if i can go by next monday at the latest.
thanks a lot btw.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
So much for 13-0
Looks like you’re of the hook mattyfrommo.
Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?
Yes
that also depends on how awful the rest want to be.
If Milwaukee and New York finish with 87 wins, we have even more margin for error.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
WOOO!
gotta look at the positives
My bank account thanks this team
My brain and heart do not
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The Pirates invited Andrew McCutchen to come watch
the games and be in the clubhouse with the team this September.
The Cardinals send Colby Rasmus into exile.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
we should be playing the kids now, if
we had them. pirates have 35 on active roster. i guess we don’t have anyone who “deserves” a taste of the ml as much as pirates
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
the pirates are a better team right now
they just don’t have Pujols. If Pujols was a Pirate , they would be ahead of the Cards in the standings.
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I am getting tired of this not catching a break crap ( I am talking to you FSN!)
one or two games? It might be catching a break
6 in a row when you can still make the playoffs? you have to make your own breaks
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Starting Lopez in the OF
Doesn’t entitle anyone to complain about catching a break.
Or catching anything
for that matter
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
throwing
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
The Phillies are the only team that can beat the Cubs in the playoffs
in my opinion so I am hoping they get in. Howard was clutch there.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
The Dodgers probably could
with their starting pitching. And Manny.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true HL
And I will be rooting for them too. I can’t decide who I want to root for more the Phillies or Dodgers. The only thing that worries me about the Dodgers is that in the past they haven’t played well on the road. It looks like that is turning around though. I have some doubts they can beat the Cubs at Wrigley, I just hope Manny gets hot for those games.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
i assume you are leaving out the AL
because almost every potential AL playoff team can beat almost every potential playoff team the NL will throw at them.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I want the Rays to win the Series
Cubs to not. Just another team that has been invented and won a WS since the Cubs to add to the list.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i can get on board with that train of thought
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
me too
is there anyone who doesn’t want to see the Rays win it all?
They are far and away my favorite team still standing (yep, cliches, I am full of em)
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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm parcial to the Angels personally
i don’t know why, but if the Yank, Rangers, and Twins are out of the AL, i like whatever team is out of the AL West.
the D Rays are the story of the year in baseball i think, so if they win it all, i’m more than OK with it. especially if it’s over those wee little bears.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
If the Angels win
they enter the discussion with the Cardinals and Red Sox as team of the decade.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
MVPs
Ryan Howard: 2
Albert Pujols: 1
what kind of world is this? it makes me weak to even type this…the candidate that would fix this injustice is who i would vote for…economy be damned!
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
I had that very thought
earlier tonight. Something is seriously wrong with a world where Ryan Howard has more MVPs than Albert Pujols. But it could happen. Ugh!
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 16, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We can blame Albert not getting MVP
for the team’s September collapse. This was also why Pujols lost to Howard in 2006 as well. If we were still in the hunt …the MVP would be Albert’s. The media seems to only care about what a player does in the final month of the season to help his team to the playoffs. The other 5 months be damned.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
no one posted this?
No wonder this popped up on the late SportsCenter. http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/poll/index
MLB Awards Tracker, Who gets your vote for NL MVP?
11:30pm CT—
9% Berkman, 13% Delgado, 20% Manny, 29% Albert, 29% CC.
Yeah, CC got it by tenths.
- Y.2.2
But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until there is one on every Major League roster. - HBT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 17, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I laughed out loud when I voted on the poll
asking if the Brewers would make the playoffs w/o Yost. Of the 50 states, 48 were voting “No”. The two states voting “Yes”? Wisconsin and Alaska. Alaska!?! Lots of Brewer fans up there?
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Phillies will win
Brewers will lose
Mets lost
Astros lost
It’s gonna come down to the Mets, Astros, Brewers and Cardinals for the NL Wild Card.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Chipper at 2B
tying run in Phillies game.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Phillies try to pick Chipper off 2B
and almost throw it into CF.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
1st and 2nd, 2 outs
Jeff Francouer up to bat.
Go comatose for me, Lidge.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
harry calus is a joy to listen too isn't he?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I'm on the Braves broadcast
Frenchie is battling but I think he is toast.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
oh that sucks for you
Lidge throws the slider here, he’s done
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Walked 'em
Bases loaded on walks by Lights Out.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
aaaaaaaaaaaaand he walked him
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
He's done
0-2, he has no idea what is coming.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Good grief
that was a terrible at-bat. Lidge threw 18 balls that inning and Blanco was up there hacking.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if Lidge blows this, does Howard still win the MVP?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Lidge saves it
Philly wins
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Ol' Bradley
likes to make it interesting in the ninth, loading the bases and such. But he gets the job done again and remains perfect for the season.
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 16, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Kerry Wood
trying to give the Brewers the game.
Prince Fielder up with 2 on, 2 out and a 1 run game.
Fielder has homered in back-to-back at-bats.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
i swear every time i see him Big Veg gets bigger & bigger
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Holy crap
that slider was NASSSSSSSSSTY.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
really? i thought that was a hanger
although Big Veg’s knees almost gave out on him
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
aaaaaaaaand he K's looking at a cookie hanging breaking ball
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
The Brewers are toast
I fully expect the Cubs to sweep this series.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Alright, let's try this all again
tomorrow.
Mets have Knight in his 2nd career start, Cubs have Harden going vs Brewers, Astros I’m not worried about anymore.
Let’s cut this thing to 4 tomorrow.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
The Brewers are going to lose that game
Harden will shut them down. The Mets game is a toss up if the Mets offense shows up tomorrow they should win. But the Brewers wil lose….you can bank on that.
The Brewers will be lucky to win 1 game of the 5 they have left to play with the Cubs. I expect the Mets will win the wild card just by playing .500 the rest of the season.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Mets still have to play the Marlins 3
and the Cubs 4. We can still catch them if we could actually win a fraking game.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we had somebody else in the dugout
besides Larussa. Too bad we don’t have Fredi Gonzalez. Tony is great from April to mid August but once September rolls around we get his evil twin Don Tony.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
i gotta give it to you HL,
unlike many of us. and of course Tony & some of the brass.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Maybe we can get Steve Perry or Neal Schon
to manage these final 12 games…maybe they can fire this team up.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Danny Haren is getting the hero treatment tonight out in the desert
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
So when are we going to read the article
where Tony invites each player to his office to see if they want him back next year as manager? You know to try and tell everyone and himself that this team is still with him.
As each loss comes and opportunitiy are lost to make the playoffs when the Brewers and Mets are begging us to take it…it really makes me want to see a change for this team next year even more. Unless ownership is going to fill our big holes with some “impact players” to make “one more run” I think this should be Tony’s swan song.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
agree
Tony is a “winning” manager, but he doesn’t know how to lose and even less about how to develop.
Giving him his due credit, it’s been a nice run… competitive nearly all of his 13 years, the efficient NL title in ‘04 and the miracle of ’06. Many high spots.
But like the political mantra lately…“enough.”
Personally, I would be just as happy, if not happier, rooting for a scrappy, developing team… than to squnch my face and scratch my head over Tony’s incessant puppeteering.
Anyone have Mike Matheny’s number?
Think we can pry Terry Pendleton away
from Bobby Cox?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Pendelton would be a great choice
plus he has a stong Cardinal background. I know everyone is clammoring for Oquendo, and while he might be a good choice, I think there is something about him that makes me think he would stick too much to the LaRussa way of thinking which can be bad and good. Or maybe to look at it another way….Oquendo seems to be a great mentor or teacher but will he be a good manager? Can he make the tough decisions…I think he deserves a shot but if I had my way he would be down on the list of guys I would love to see manage this team.
1. Terry Pendelton (A little bit of Whitey and little bit of Bobby Cox should equal a winner…I would love to see what he could do here,)
2. Fredi Gonzalez (Marlins Manager)
3. Tony Pena (He worked well with a young Royals team and I think he deserves another shot but he can be a hot head and that might be too much for this organization right now to deal with)
4. Jose Oquendo (He deserves a shot and maybe I am being too hard on him but I wonder how much he will try to be like Tony and in a way that isn’t a bad thing.)
5. Andy Van Slyke (I think Andy could be a great manager i would like to see what he can do, but maybe not for us at this point in time)
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
I didn't add Matheny because he has stated he doesn't want to coach or manage
right now because he has young children. But if he was a serious option he would be in the top 3 of my list for sure.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
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