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Game 149 Open Thread: Sept 16 2008

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St. Louis Cardinals @ Cincinnati Reds


Looper Arroyo
12-12, 4.02 14-10, 4.65

best-laid-plans dept.: since acquiring adam dunn from the reds on august 11, the diamondbacks have seen their scoring avg drop from 4.5 runs per game to 4.1. the reds, meanwhile, have increased their scoring average from 4.3 runs a game to 4.5. his spot in the lineup has largely been taken over by chris dickerson, a 26-year-old rookie with a late-blooming bat. he's hit .309 / .417 / .629 since the trade in 97 at-bats; dunn's line is .253 / .444 / .465. . . . . .

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Why does Tony still start Izz2?

He hasn’t been good all year and is just getting worse. I can say without question Ryan couldn’t be any worse.

and is Ryan says “I guess that’s a compliment”

I would say “No, not really.”

by Harknights on Sep 16, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Barden at SS

Why not? He seems to be a decent, cheap possibility for utility guy next year

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro

by DiscoJer on Sep 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has spent most of the year in AAA at SS, no?

I suppose maybe they are waiting to be officially eliminated?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it

Revised lineup:

Skip CF
Floppy LF
APu 1B
Luddy RF
Glaus 3B
Bugs 2B
Stache C
Loop P (he really needs a better nickname, no?)
Iztoo SS

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and it was just on FSN

forgot to add that.

They said that Glaus was gonna go ahead and test out the shoulder.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bugs?

where did that come from?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I have to take credit for it.

I called Miles Bugs Bunny the other day because he plays every position.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Sep 17, 2008 1:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First ever post!

Come on Cards! Let’s start that 13-game winning streak!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if the Cards do go 13-0 from here on out

I will buy tickets to a Cards game next year to the first 13 people who respond to the “Crazy Mattyfrommo!” fanpost which will go up seconds after that miracle happens.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me just take a screenshot of that comment...

evidence. muahaha.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose

but I won’t pay for the plane ticket!

Oh, you meant at a stadium in California? Sure, why not. I get to pick the ticket though.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fair enough.

Let’s go Cardinals!!!

Obama/Pujols 2008.

by davethebutcher on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome

Keep up the good thoughts!

by ccthemovieman on Sep 16, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

welcome back Troy

boy have we missed you

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Troy can miss no more games as a Cardinal

until they call Wallace up

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice return to the lineup

abbreviated swing, too, by Glaus!

by ccthemovieman on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

welcome back santa!

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atta boy Troy!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Troy my boy!

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you want the better hitter batting 9th?

wait, that might be the logic behind batting the pitcher 8th.

I think too much thinking about this might make my head explode

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

come on your head would explode

looper’s bating 250 while iz2 is batting 247

by bearcatcardfan on Sep 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know your SS is in sad shape

when the pitcher is out slugging him by 17 points.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fish beating the 'stros 4-0 right now

Me likey.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just going to pretend

 that we’re much closer to making the postseason than we actually are.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will go along with you

I like the Fish

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even though the cards are in a skid, its still kinda sad to hear about

this

Man, its gotta suck for him. Being one of the top prospects in baseball, and then ending up with arm issues and will only be remembered for 06 Game 1 World Series. Still, I feel for the guy, and hope him all the best.

The NL Central Blog.com

by dunc4life on Sep 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if it isn't anything serious

then that isn’t such bad news. Actually being considered for the rotation in 09? Reyes has to be ecstatic hearing that.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hell,

he probably shit his pants when he heard that he didn’t have to deal with LaDunca anymore!

The NL Central Blog.com

by dunc4life on Sep 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea, I like the praise in the article.

About having success working in, out, down and UP :)

Funny how when you don’t concede half the zone to the hitter you can have some success.

by DriverZn on Sep 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was expecting a lot of clucking

over the Yost firing. The Brennamann kid is spitting out feigned outrage.

by the Tewk on Sep 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have the Brewers

given any reason for it other than “jump starting” the team?

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that I've seen...

but his egregious mis-handling of the pen has been well documented.

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

c'mon Luddy

you love this park, remember?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok...

So I’ve now read a ton of “Who’s laughing now?” type articles regarding the Astros. Their run only highlights why “going for it” at the deadline was such a dumb move. They’ve gone 33-13 since Wolf made his first start, Ty Wigginton has turned into Ted Williams, every bounce has gone their way, and for what? According to BP they have a 7.6% chance at the postseason.

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i respect them for it.

as should any other fan of sportsmanship. Teams giving up midseason annoys me to no end.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

the idea is that “giving up” increases the team’s chances at making the playoffs in future years.

This futile run makes it less likely they’ll be competitive in 2010-2012. Moving Tejada and Valverde would have cleared salary and restocked for future deadline deals when they actually had a reasonable chance.

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what kind of prospects

did they give up for Wolf & Hawkins?

Hell, I looked em up. Matt Cusick for Hawkins, and Chad Reineke for Wolf. It looks like they gave up the better prospect for Hawkins.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They didn't give up...

David Price or anything, but they could’ve gotten out of having to pay $20 million in ’09 to Tejada and Valverde. C

ouple that with an offseason trade of Oswalt to the Yanks for Hughes and others and Berkman for a big haul and they’d be back on the right path.

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can see giving up Tejada and Valverde

but they would have had to get a monster haul if they were gonna give up Oswalt and Berkman, because the fan base might have deserted them

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if by "right path"

you mean “spiral into Royal/Pirates class of futility” then yeah, that’s the way to go.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

that would be tantamount to us having given up Carpenter and Pujols. Now that would be BSFI

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, no...

we have a legitimate window of opportunity to win while Carp and Pujols are in their prime or early decline. This is due to solid players surrounding them, young players coming up, and the payroll flexibility to add as needed.

The Astros don’t currently have enough to win now and they have nothing on the horizon. At seven games above their pythag they have a 7% chance of making the playoffs, and their old team is going to be older and worse next year.

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course with free agency

you are never totally out of contention if you are willing to spend, and the Astros have shown that they are willing to do that.

I just think if you give up Berkman in his prime you are sending a terrible message to the fans.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So basically...

what you’re saying is that any team not mathematically eliminated on 7/31 should be a buyer?

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you saying

that any team that is mathematically eliminated on 7/31 should be a seller? I can almost see that logic, but selling the cornerstones of your franchise just because you are out of contention is a terrible idea

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was just saying they...

should’ve moved Valverde and Tejada at the deadline. That would have made sense whether they did a full-bore rebuild in the off-season (by moving Berkman and Oswalt) or going for it in 2009 with the same cast of characters.

$7 million for Valverde and his 3.5 FIP is unpleasant, and of course Tejada is washed up.

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that last part I can't argue with

I am just glad that I was never on the “wish the Cards had went after Tejada” bandwagon

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not necessarily

sometimes you have to dance with the one that brung ya. Some situations do call for selling- like Walker, who was about to retire and could bring value to the team by moving him.

I actually think more teams who are out of contention should make deadline moves focused on winning NEXT year…

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, but cusick is a future 1B/3B

his defense at second is terrible, and he can’t hit well enough as a 22yo in A ball to be a prospect at 2B. He’s edgar V gonzales, 5 years younger.

They didn’t give up anything worth anything, and by not giving up they now have a shot at the playoffs. And how many tickets did they sell for the last 2 months that they wouldn’t have sold?

and do you really think anyone would have given anything for a guy making $12M/year who is being outhit by aaron miles? V, sure, but tejada had no value after April. if Lee doesn’t get hurt, the astros are easy wild card favorites right now.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am in agreement

it isn’t like they sold the farm

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the problem is that they had no farm to sell

through bad drafts, signing Carlos Lee, failing to sign those they did draft, and trading them for Tejada and Valverde

For Hawkins and Wolf, they gave up the last vestiges of their farm system — which were table scraps, except MAYBE Brian Bogusevic, who played about half a season in the OF after being moved from the mound b/c the former 1st rounder was awful.

Their farm has nothing. Should they have made the trades at the deadline? Who cares? It raised their chances of winning this year from infinitesimal to minuscule and only exacerbated the problems in their farm system. They didn’t give up great prospects — only b/c they had none to give. Their major sin was committed in the offseason when they failed to recognize that this wasn’t a playoff-caliber team and they acted as though they were just a couple of players away from the World Series.

Should they have been sellers? Probably but they don’t have much to sell. Their most tradeable commodities have no-trade clauses in their contracts. I guess they could try pawning off Tejada or selling high on Valverde since it would make no sense to re-sign him after ‘09, but this team’s in a big hole that finishing 3rd in the division is only going to further mask. I don’t care what the records look like at the end of the season (ok, I do) but I’d MUCH rather be us than them … and it’s not even close.

by chuckb on Sep 16, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But that's not the point

the point is that they got a valuable bullpen arm and an average starter for the stretch run for absolutely nothing. The idea that we couldn’t match that with a much deeper farm system I’m sure is what is upsetting to some.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 10:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really?

I thought this part was about the Astros and whether or not they should have bought or sold at the deadline. See guayzimi’s post here.

by chuckb on Sep 17, 2008 12:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops

I got lost in the string there.

His point is valid, however that 7.6% is greatly effected by the fact that they had their lives turned upside down by a Hurricane.

For the Astros, going all in worked because their future is going to be awful for years to come (unless Drayton buys them out of it).

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 17, 2008 1:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's utilizing his

full repertoire tonight. A home run and swinging bunt, I like it!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Floppy should have had that.

I wish TLR would give Barton a start…

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I mean he went 2-for-3 on Sunday...

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVPu

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least Loop still has the no hitter going

from the plate.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game is flying by

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It helps when we only

give up 1 hit. Just wish we had a little more insurance.

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo, hiss

just found out Cubs/Brewers game not on WGN tonight. And I am stuck with the obnoxious Brennemann kid on the Cincy network

by the Tewk on Sep 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you wanna watch the Cubs-Brewers?

 you might need help, because that is just BSI

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wanted to hear

discussion about Yost. And to watch the Brewers’ attitudes on the field. Why is that BS ?

by the Tewk on Sep 16, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, I meant if you actually enjoyed watching a Cubs-Brewers series

understandable, I would like to see the reaction myself.

People who enjoy Cubs baseball are just insane in my book

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been a registered member

of the “I Hate the Cubs” club for years

by the Tewk on Sep 16, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there is a club for that?

and where can I register?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bummer

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who's in left field

that looked like a lazy effort by the outfielder on getting to that ball and coming up throwing

by the Tewk on Sep 16, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would be the guy

cut from the nats for being lazy. and for sucking.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice job, felipe

glad to see you doing your part.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because he was the one screwing up at the time...

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right

I’ve never posted about the offense being problematic because of streaky hitters or the powerless punch at the bottom.

Thanks for clearing that up. You’re so myopic in your defense of certain players its tiresome.

by azruavatar on Sep 16, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does that include Lopez, too?

Since he seems to be immune from any criticism…

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro

by DiscoJer on Sep 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes sir!

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looper has pitched a fine game

Miles should’ve turned the DP earlier in the inning. I say blame the offense for scoring 1 effing run.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looper (or miles) is at fault for it being 2-1

3-1 is lopez fault, for missing the cutoff man and giving up a run.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tom Browning

“We like them having Felipe Lopez out there in LF, don’t we…giggle, giggle, giggle.”

I bet every team feels that way, Tom.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and at SS, and 2B, and especially 3B

giggle, giggle.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MOARR GRIT

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mighty miles

"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."

by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice Grit!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's sad though

when his fourth homer makes him the most powerful middle infielder on the team.

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a LF obviously

plus he’s only 3 of his 5 since the trade.

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*oops

No trade. We picked him up after the worst team in the East dropped him

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sad doesn't even begin to explain that

if Lopez was’t on the team, he would have more HRs than the others combined

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sad?

Lopez will be a Cardinal next year. I’d bet on it.

by chuckb on Sep 16, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would not take that bet

Is a major upgrade really too much to ask for?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope

but Lopez will be here anyway, maybe as a utility guy, maybe as the starter at 2b, but I’ll bet he’s a Cardinal.

by chuckb on Sep 17, 2008 12:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you gotta be kidding me

no f’ing way

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way!

f’ing way even.

Wait, what are you talking about?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaron F'ing Miles

i don’t believe he did that

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looper should be put...

on an 80 pitch or twice through the order limit, whichever comes first.

He should definitely never touch a bat in the 7th inning.

by guayzimi on Sep 16, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is that?

He’s been the only starter who has consistently gone deep into games this year. I trust loop in the 7th more than i trust our bullpen.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 16, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you gotta be f'ing kidding me

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nooo!!! OUT!

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually think he was safe

even when i stopped it, it looked like the runner barely beat him

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope, he was out

i hate these reds announcers. chris is such a homer & thommy boy hates everything. their act is old.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

I am much more irritated that we can never seem to turn the big dp’s this year

"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."

by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 16, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another great pick by albert

goes to waste.

Good thing we let Looper hit for himself.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

after the 3rd inning...

only 4 of Looper’s fastballs have been more than 89mph

tired arm?

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Sep 16, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all those 114 and 117 pitch outings early in the season

taking their toll.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thank goodness Troy is so tall

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i bet a million bucks

Skippy won’t take 2 strikes before swinging

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Sep 16, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too bad you're all too smart to bet against that one

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Sep 16, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn Skip

you don’t have to start grounding into DPs on the left side of the infield now

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well it was still fielded by the 2B

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by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it a bad sign

when we start thinking about the positives of GIDP?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he didn't slide into first?

that’s another one, maybe.

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by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least I am getting a laugh out of it

and as things look now, I have about a .000000459 % chance of having to buy those tickets next year.

The team is SAVING ME MONEY , that is another positive

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not bunt?

You want Pujols to come to the plate with the tying run on, bunting would have done that.

And if they choose to walk Pujols, you bring the go ahead run with Ludwick.

God damn Tony and his freaking hit and run.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugly inning...

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and THAT is why pujols can't be MVP.

Because delgado would have had reyes and wright on base in front of him to knock in.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please

don’t get started with Delgado. I don’t think I have the energy for it.

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've decided

I don’t want Lopez back
the list is now 4: Kennedy, Izturis, Pineiro

by the Tewk on Sep 16, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

if we do have them back, we are doomed. no room for folks with performance that poor.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 16, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll bet

that Pineiro and Lopez are back. Kennedy, I doubt and I’d say it’s even money on Izturis.

by chuckb on Sep 16, 2008 10:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Molina doesn't return

Skippy has a chance to lead the team in DPs as the leadoff hitter. That’s high cotton right there.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

only possible

pitcher 8th order
bat the pitcher 9, save skippy

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 16, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Nationals are trying to give us the Wild Card

but the Cardinals give it right back.

Will this thing get up to the glorious 8 number? Back to back seasons with September 9 game losing streaks?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

goes back to 7-31-08

the fo does nothing, we get nothing

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 16, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is not the front offices fault.

If the team was good enough to be in contention then, no reason it should have suddenly fell apart.

If you want to blame someone, blame the managers that insists on playing people hurt so he doesn’t have to use players that have not earned it (playing time).

by DriverZn on Sep 16, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok, but

it’s also psychological. the rest got help and investment, and they did not. not all of it, but a part of it i think

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 16, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should I go out on a limb

and offer to buy tickets for the first 18 responders if we end the season on an 18 game losing streak?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO YOU SHOULD NOT

dumbass!

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not step on the bag Troy?

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KMac's a worn out rook...

so he obviously can’t work his way out. Loop’s a vet, he knows what he’ s doing…yeah

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then why bring him in at all?

There has to be someone down there rested.

by DriverZn on Sep 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the one who has looked lights out

in the games he has entered? SSS and all, but still lights out?

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ask TLR,

for he is the one of infinite wisdom

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my head hurts

in comes Ronny V, and unless he plans on tackling the batter, there’s no way in hell this will turn out good for the Cards.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i am hoping for that outcome

c’mon, we can’t be the only ones?

I don’t know if there is anyone I dislike on the Reds though.

No, GDM, he can’t tackle the Reds’ announcers

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd pay to see him take out chris

hell, i’ll buy everyone on VEB tickets to see it

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"troy glaus...

…you have to assume he knew there were runners on first and second."

great insight there, al.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, another gem

“you’d like to think that izturis was helping him out there…”

That would have been nice, yes.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was Dan and Al

preparing us for going after K-Rod?

by Harknights on Sep 16, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point of the season

I dont know why I put myself through this garbage.

"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."

by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 16, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atlanta up 6-4

Chicago up 3-0
Nationals up 1-0

We would be 3.5 games back after tonight if this fraking team would pull their heads out of their arses.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, we would be leading the WC if we had kept our season pace these past few weeks

but we have completely fallen apart

"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."

by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ron villone

just gave up a two run double to COREY PATTERSON.

let that sink in a bit, then consider what jolbert cabrera- a player we cut from our spring traning roster, does.

Oh, we IBB’d the guy not good enough to make our AAA team. Nice.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ronny V should just tackle Dusty for Tony

maybe then this crap would begin to come to an end

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt it

but it would be good entertainment

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.204/.237/.344

I can’t believe he has 300+ PAs.

OPS+ = 48

by azruavatar on Sep 16, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I might have perferred us to

have been bad all year rather than us just fall off the cliff.

by Harknights on Sep 16, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah

this year has been much better than last year.

"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar

by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep, the team needs the maid to come in

the have def crapped the bed

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and by yep i mean nope

if this team played like this all season I would have no hair left at all, and my walls would all be full of head shaped holes

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can handle being bad.

But this is hard. It’s like it’s 12:01 and everyone turned into a pile of crap.

by Harknights on Sep 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

preachin to the choir man

I had almost quit drinking before this season.
 /big ol fat lie

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHY IS RON VILLONE STILL IN THIS GAME?!?!?

This is just bad baseball. Who the heck is making the same decisions every day and expecting them to work.

Honest to God, I think Tony has just given up.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can tell TLR has given up

on this game when Villone is still pitching after one batter.

Delgado an MVP candidate!........seriously!?

by RunninRedbird on Sep 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how can Tony be surprised Ronny V did that?

for as smart as he is supposed to be, i really gotta wonder just what the holy hell is going on between his ears.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we should be playing the kids now, if

they were here. the bucs have 35 on active roster. do they really have more prospects than us that need some ml experience?

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Sep 16, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

notice that andrew mccutchen — their best prospect, and a 21-yo triple-a cf to boot — isn’t one of those 35 though.

by greenback06 on Sep 16, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for three days, according to mlb.com. that’s pretty small potatoes. same article says mccutchen’s resisting the pirates’ request to play winter ball.

by greenback06 on Sep 16, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice job Albert, just don't blow out that elbow

oh wait,,,,

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and now the game is officially over

we all might as well go get something to eat, and of course, something to drink

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Sep 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

already there man

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no kidding....

The offense has been so horrible you can’t dig a deeper hole

by ICbirdfan on Sep 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not really

After all, Lopez, loop, KMac, Villone,. these are his A list players.

Its the rest of us that know better.

by DriverZn on Sep 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least it isn't Kinney

if he would have called for Josh after that mess I might have…..I don’t know, but I am sure it would not have been good.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gotta save him for tomorrow

because a game where you are down by 2 runs in the 9th is lost, duh.

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by SleepyCA on Sep 16, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al makes a lot of sense

these late season callups can get a player used to the big league scene.

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by mattyfrommo on Sep 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don't get it.

If you are a stat guy. Jimenez is worthless.

But if you aren’t a stat guy and just liek to “Watch” the game. what is there to like about Jimenez?

His pitches are straighter than straight and all aobut 92.

by Harknights on Sep 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But he looks like one of those whispy

middle relievers with great stuff. It’s all about ‘looking’ like a good pitcher.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs