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First, Deal with the Worst

Raise your hand if you think Izzy's performance yesterday bought him another shot at a save situation?  Let's see. . . yep that looks like everyone's got their hand raised.  Despite some initial exuberance over Chris Perez, I have little doubt that Izzy's going to get another shot. Justifiable or not.

Moving on, the Cardinals signed Felipe Lopez ostensibly to provide a better bat in the middle infield.  They demoted Brendan Ryan who has been hitting very poorly and not seeing a lot of playing time was sent done in order to "get regular at bats".  Ignoring the effect this has on the Triple A team with Tyler Greene having been called up, the Cardinals would appear to be exchanging one bad hitter for another one -- only Lopez has been quite awful defensively. 

Lopez was hitting .234/.305/.314 upon being released by the Nationals.  Let's just think about that last part for a moment.  The Nationals, who are tied for dead last in the league, released a player . . . and we claimed him.  There's something very disturbing about that on a superficial level.  There's a chance that Lopez could improve his hitting.  His Marcel projection for the rest of the season is .258/.329/.379 which would be an upgrade over Brendan Ryan off the bench. As a defender, RZR pegged him as a -15 defender at SS in 2007, which, if accurate, negates any and all upgrade on offense.  Several commenters have made the argument that "we need offense" right now and therefore that exchange is justified.  While I sympathize with the desire for an improved middle infield bat, runs prevented and runs scored all go toward the same goal of winning.  Reducing the former to increase the latter is nothing more than a lateral move.

Now Lopez has emerged as a left fielder for the Cardinals.  The most likely reason this is happening at the moment is that the team is to stubborn to put Rick Ankiel on the DL. Since his last start 11 games ago, Ankiel has had 5 plate appearances.  If the Cardinal medical staff thought he was going to be ready, I'll point the finger at them for a poor evaluation.  If Tony La Russa thinks that it's better to have Ankiel on the roster for the occassional pinch hit, I'll point the finger at him for poor evaluation.  The Cardinals have backed themselves into a shortened bench and depleted outfield situation and, given that Ankiel can't even run right now, one has to wonder whether he'll exacerbate the injury during an at bat.  When Rick comes back, the Lopez in left field experiment should hopefully be at an end.

But, perish the thought, what if Ankiel doesn't come back?  I'd rather not be forced into a bench of Stavinoha and Joe Mather.  While I've been impressed with Mather but he's not a finished product and I still am of the opinion that Stavinoha is a minor league organizational player -- not someone you want on a contending team.  Watching them make the last two outs against Lidge was nothing short of excruciating and to think that they may have increased prominence on a team that could go to the playoffs worries me.  Yet, despite some uncertainty in the outfield, the Cardinals made no waiver claim on Brian Giles.  With an OBP at .390 he'd provide some clear veteran depth that's also good.  Instead he passes through the entire NL to reach the Red Sox.  Baffling.

As another alternative to Lopez in left, perhaps the team should revisit the idea of Barry Bonds.  Nate Silver took a look at the impact Bonds would have on a team over the last 40 games based on who he's replacing.  He concludes that "Overall, we see Bonds contributing just 3.1 marginal runs to the Cardinals on the balance of the season. They can probably be eliminated as a serious contender."  Ah but wait, Nate.  Now we have Lopez in left field so Barry would be stealing some time from him too.  At best, we're probably still talking about a fewer than 5 run marginal upgrade but there's another factor that I think should be taken into consideration: the playoffs.

If Rick Ankiel's injury becomes nagging and Lopez remains on the team getting at bats, those are problems.  Bonds helps correct those but the returns over 40 games just aren't that immense (primarily due to defense).  But is there a single player that would radically alter the appearance of a lineup more so than Bonds?  How about one that comes at no cost in prospects and, allegedly, will play for the league minimum?  If the Cardinals are serious about being contenders, Felipe Lopez isn't the answer.  As impressive as they've been over the course of the season, the continue need to try and wring the last remaining talent out of players like Randy Flores, Kelvin Jimenez, Cesar Izturis and Felipe Lopez is confusing and likely damaging to their postseason chances. 

I always target the player I perceive to be the worst player on the team.  If the team is looking to make small, affordable moves, that is, imo, a great place to start.  It's official; we have a new worst player on the team: Felipe Lopez.  There's still time for a "real trade" to occur, but if the team keeps passing on players who are good (Giles) to take players that aren't (Lopez) then we're in for a long dash to the finish line.

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A-Rey is starting for the Indians tonight. I seem to remember him weaving some very good starts against AL teams before…

Predicted lines, anyone?

by mojowo11 on Aug 8, 2008 9:23 AM EDT   0 recs

5 IP, 4ER, 3 SO 2BB

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Aug 8, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And 115 pitches.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 8, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

9 IP 0 ER 10 K 0 H 3 BB

Yes, that’s right, no-hitter. You heard it here first ;)

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 8, 2008 11:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

man, that would be sweet

it would give my tribe fan buddy in iraq something to be excited about this season…

by mattybobo on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

RE: Claiming Lopez from Washington

Well, we took Wellemeyer after the dead last KC Royals dropped him. Maybe that will make you feel better.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 8, 2008 9:30 AM EDT   0 recs

Was going to...

post the very same thing. Welley’s turned out okay for us this year. :)

by stlfan on Aug 8, 2008 9:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think we claimed Lopez.....

I think he was released, and we signed him. I could be wrong though.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 8, 2008 9:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We're paying...

him the prorated portion of the league minimum rather than of his $4.9 mil contract, so I’d say you’re correct.

by cardzfanbub on Aug 8, 2008 9:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Same situation with Wellemeyer

He was DFA’d, became a FA, and we signed him.

by liam on Aug 8, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2008 vs 2009

Lopez is a reclamation project. He’s got some upside with his bat, and is still under 30.

MLB shortstops don’t grow on trees, and plenty of guys have fallen off the map after joining the expos/nats. I’m not expecting much to come of Lopez, but it’s not the worst idea ever conceived.

Like it or not, this club building for 2009 and beyond. They’re not going to acquire a Will Clark or Larry Walker this year.

and seriously, why do so many people want to see that clubhouse cancer and future first ballot a-hole HOFer with the birds on the bat? He can probably still hit, but he’s a liability in the field and he’ll only be taking ABs away from younger guys we need to evaluate for next year. The thought of Barry Bonds raising the world series trophy alongside Pujols makes me want to puke.

by musial6 on Aug 8, 2008 9:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

I dont care who raises the trophy as long as we win.

"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe

by Calhoun on Aug 8, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Agree with everything you said.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 8, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lopez is taking

away bast from the younger guys and he is terrible

by njnick on Aug 8, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What Lopez does...

Logically, if Lopez is now the worst player on the team, doesn’t that make everyone else instantly better? Don’t you see… the Cardinals have improved EVERYONE ELSE on the team by signing Lopez! It’s a brilliant move.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by palampe on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Never thought of it that way

lol

"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe

by Calhoun on Aug 8, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

because bullshit like "club house cancer" ranks right up there with Grit.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 8, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why is it so hard to believe that someone can be a Club House Cancer?

Haven’t you had someone that you work with that is super annoying that drives you up the wall?

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

but if they are really awesome at their job, I ignore it and watch as the company continues to succeed.

Then I egg his car.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

bizarro-world note attached to bonds' car

“dear barry, you’ve beeng a real jerk lately so i hope egging your car will teach you a lessong.
signed,
not albert pujols.

p.s. hit some dingers today, mang”

by mattybobo on Aug 8, 2008 1:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ahahahha

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 8, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i have never had it affect my job...

that will get you fired, a professional in any field should be able to handle that.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 8, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I doubt anybody that had the mental toughness to make it to the bigs in the first place has the immaturity to let some other person’s “attitude problem” affect their performance. That’s elementary playground bullshit…not multimillion dollar PROFESSIONAL athletes.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 8, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why isn't our outfield

Mather/Skip/Lud? Am I missing something?

by sdrone on Aug 8, 2008 9:31 AM EDT   0 recs

lefty match-ups.

We tried to stack lefties against Kernshaw. Skippy over Lopez May Have resaulted in one more hit. But more than likely not.

by Evilfrog on Aug 8, 2008 9:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lopez

from baseball-reference.com is hitting .259/.317/.379 against lefties…

by UNCDubya on Aug 8, 2008 9:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Skippy

is hitting .165/.243/.186

So I really dont see how an outfield of Mather/Schumaker/Ludwick was going to be better offensivewise than Lopez/Mather/Ludwick. Im not arguing for Lopez to be our everyday outfielder. I dont want to see him out there just as much as everyone else. Just trying to explain the thought process of why he was out there.

Feel free to agree/disagree.

by Evilfrog on Aug 8, 2008 9:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not on a TLR team

matchups only!

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if he hasn't learned by now... when will he?

I mean, it’s not like he just started playing baseball last year

by duncans_army on Aug 8, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i think actually

we were stacking the lineup with righties. Skippy has been terrible against lefties this year. But this shows the problem with not having Ankiel on the DL. We have to use Lopez for our platoon with Skippy. Pathetic! Barton should be recalled soon to take Lopez’s place, but obviously that won’t happen. Its the same old crap…why the heck do we carry 4 middle infielders??

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 8, 2008 9:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

righties..

That’s what I meant to say. I was thinking we were stacking Against Lefties and then changed it to stacking against Kershaw. And then I got all conflagulated.

by Evilfrog on Aug 8, 2008 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I forgot about Barton

We signed a bad backup SS and put him in LF when we already have a LF who hits lefties BETTER and is playing at AAA. Why did we sign Lopez, again, if he’s not going to give us a break from seeing Izturis attempt to hit bloopers over the infielders?

by chuckb on Aug 8, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I was just typing the same comment. It’s unfathomable that Lopez is playing OF for the Cards over Barton.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 8, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Link

Here’s the story:

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/padres/2008/aug/07/red-sox-claim-giles/?padres

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 8, 2008 11:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Free Brian Barton

When does he have to return from his DL rehab stint? It’s frustrating to see FLOP-ez in LF when Barton would be a better choice.

Anyway, here’s to hoping that Felipe Lopez has a Gary Bennett circa August 2006 weekend against the Cubs. One can always dream, can’t they?

by Yellow Dog on Aug 8, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well done

Barton’s hitting well at AAA and belongs here more than Lopez.

I suppose we can hope that the Cards are auditioning Lopez during the rest of Barton’s rehab and that he’s playing in the OF because Oquendo isn’t satisfied with his infield defending yet.

by liam on Aug 8, 2008 11:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so at the latest

when will Barton be returning? I know he can’t stay in AAA for much longer.

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't figure out when he started his assignment

but he has played 15 games at Memphis. Considering he only gets a 20 day rehab assignment, and the team has had 1 off day during those 15 games (and assuming he’s been playing every game), then he’s on like day 17. I figure he’ll be back Monday or Tuesday.

Although, I could be completely wrong.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 8, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Which begs the question

why not just go ahead and call him back.

If the point of having him in Memphis is to get him ABs, he damn sure could have gotten them yesterday and today.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who goes when Barton does come back?

Garcia? Lopez? (my guess is Garcia)

If Lopez goes, then that explains why they didn’t go after Giles…... just wanted a cheap temp….. which I admit is a weird idea.

Then when Wainwright comes back, I think Thompson (or Garcia if he’s still here) will get the ticket to Memphis for a couple of weeks till the September call ups.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 8, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You got to lose this Bonds thing

Bonds again? Geez, I thought that lunacy had been put to rest. There is a reason Barry Bonds is out there for the taking at all. There is a reason that not one of the 30 MLB teams have added him to their roster, and it’s not collusion. Consider that no American League team wants him as a DH, let alone a position player. At his age, having not played the game at any level for almost a year, it would take him till early September to hit his stride, whatever that would be. The last month and a half of his play with the Giants does not give much in the way of encouragement on that score. Add to that the fact that he can not play a position defensively – he would instantly become the worst defensive left fielder in the game – and you have a Hall of Fame pinch hitter whose Hall of Fame talent has long since passed.
All this for a guy who would be a clubhouse shit stool. You want a guy who could instantly wipe all the smiles off those rookie faces and suck the fun out of the game – Barry’s your man. I got no idea why you keep resurrecting this nonsense; is it deperation or a singular lack of imagination. Enough already.

by deweydell on Aug 8, 2008 9:51 AM EDT   0 recs

i agree

move on from the Bonds idea.

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 8, 2008 9:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You nailed it deweydell

but somehow the Bonds silliness will just continue…some people just won’t give it up.

by ridgesee on Aug 8, 2008 10:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Silliness?

What’s silly is signing a backup SS who’s bad defensively and then sticking him in LF. I defended the Lopez signing as a “this can’t hurt” proposition when I thought he might actually play SS, thus saving us from watching more PA’s from Izturis. To find out we’re going w/ lineups of Miles or Kennedy, Izturis AND Lopez is mind-numbing. Lopez offers nothing in LF. It’s hard to believe that we need an OF to hit against lefties, but apparently we do.

I wonder if there are any OFs out there who would be cheap and wouldn’t cost any prospects, who could hit lefties AND righties, who could get on base A LOT and hit for power…Nah! That’s just silly!

by chuckb on Aug 8, 2008 10:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed on all counts

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 8, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too.

The Bonds thing is not happening. While I am upset over the collusion that is going on by all MLB teams agreeing to keep him out, I don’t feel sorry for Barry at all. He made his bed, now he has to sleep in it. As for the Cardinals, they are clearly not going to make a significant move yet this season, so we should just give up on the idea. We have to win with what we have.

by Egyptian on Aug 8, 2008 10:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Move on?

I agree. Wait until HL logs on this morning though.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 8, 2008 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Your personal vendetta with him is growing tiresome

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 8, 2008 11:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Quite the opposite actually.

I disagree with him quite often, but I never made it personal until he did.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 8, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You mean like

telling me I was acting like a baby and that I should go root for another team?

I don’t care what you say about me but don’t lie about the situation.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So that was the first "personal" comment.....

either one of us made?

I just said above that I’ve started jabbing back. But it started with you. YOU took it personal that I was challenging alot of your posts, and I was, we don’t agree on much. But at first, I questioned your thoughts, not YOU. YOU made it personal, and you still do. Heck, you’ve posted snide comments in threads that I hadn’t even posted in.

I don’t like how you take shots at the Cardinals, their management, and their coach EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. Every other message board I post on, for every other team I support, if said team and their coach is any where near as successful as the Cardinals and TLR have been, and someone questioned them every day like you do, that poster wouldn’t last long. And you can blab on about open forum, your right to your opinion, and all that stuff, but after awhile, it just looks bad on you. If I posted like you do hear on a Sooner board about Stoops and the Sooners, I’d be banned within a month. Period. And rightfully so.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 8, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Again, you are misrepresenting the situation

find any thread where I posted a snide comment about you that you didn’t even post in and I’ll retract my statement.

It simply doesn’t exist.

And yes, that was the first personal statement made. And that above was NOT about my thoughts, it was a personal attack on me.

Find the situation where I made a snide comment about you in a thread you didn’t post in and I’ll revisit it.

Otherwise, that’s all I have to say about your issue.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

this is the ugliest vendetta

since the “lighting stanchions” incident!

"so if you can’t understand what someone else is saying why don’t you just shut up about it instead of being a jerk-off?"

by baw on Aug 8, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't have the time.....

Or desire to read through what could be thousands of posts to find an example. I know it exists though. I’ve only very, very recently started posting in game threads. A week to 10 days ago, I know I opened up a game thread well after a game had ended, and read a snide comment from you, clearly directed at me, though you didn’t call me out by name. It was obvious though, as what you said could only have been directed at me.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 9, 2008 9:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sig heil!

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hardcore adds a lot

to the discussion.

Especially screencaps and photoshops.

Sweet, sweet photoshops.

That said, I don’t see this argument adding much.

by liam on Aug 8, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

start a diary for your firefights. Leave us out of it.

by enoscountry on Aug 8, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

its fine if you want to move on

but dont complain about the offense if you are not will to take the player that will help you the most and is also the cheapest.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 8, 2008 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And dont

complain when Lopez is 0-4 with 3 strikeouts. Dont complain that no one will pitch to Pujols. That no one gets on in front of Albert…..

by njnick on Aug 8, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I dissagree

I hate this idea that baseball players are 8 year old girls. With few exceptions I don’t hear players say how they hated to play with him. As for your implication that Bonds hasn’t been signed by anyone because no one thinks he can hit. You mean to tell me the Cards (or any team) Really thinks Lopez (Sexton) can hit better than Bonds. That’s short sighted at best. And your statement about his performance last year. 30 AB’s REally 30 your argument is 30 ab’s why not add August when he had a 600+ slg?

by Harknights on Aug 8, 2008 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bonds hasn't played in a game in how many months?

Hasn’t seen live pitching in how long? Shagged fly balls?

Again, there is a reason EVERY team has stayed away from him. The short-sightedness of some of our fans is amazing.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

unless you are hanging out with Barry

i dont think you can say if he has been seeing live pitching or fly balls. for all we know he could be going to the ASU field everyday and hitting off pitchers and taking flies…something tells me Bonds isnt just sitting around getting fat not doing anything.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 8, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No way.

He is busy being measured for his prison uniform.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 8, 2008 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that cant take more than...

30 min…

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 8, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so sticking Felipe Lopez

in LF, is a better solution? And everyone else is short-sighted but you, huh? Comments like these are the reason people come on here and attack you personally.

by chuckb on Aug 8, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That was/is.....

a two game thing. Ank will be back soon, and Lopez won’t get many, if any OF AB’s.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

we just gotta hope lopez doesn’t screw up to badly until ank comes back.

But i don’t understand why were not starting Mather.

by cardsrule15 on Aug 8, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope your right...

but I don’t suspect that you are

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How do you know Ank will be back soon?

We have been hearing that for way over a week now. Sometimes abdominal strains last a whole season, so is it really too difficult to think Ank might not come back?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 8, 2008 5:27 PM EDT