Game 117 Open Thread: August 7 2008
by lboros on Aug 7, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintLos Angeles Dodgers at St. Louis Cardinals, Aug 7, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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| Kershaw | Lohse |
| 1-3, 4.02 | 13-3, 3.73 |
kershaw, you may recall, made his big-league debut against the cardinals in may and pitched pretty well, yielding two runs and 6 baserunners in 6 innings while striking out 7. he has had a very unlucky year. at double A this year he has made 11 starts with a 1.91 era, 0.95 whip, and 0 homers allowed in 61+ innings . . . . but just a 2-3 record. in 11 starts for the dodgers he hasn't been bad at all --- 4.02 era, and an opponent batting line of .278 / .366 / .390 --- but he only has 1 win, which came a couple of starts ago vs the nats. he's gone 6 shutout innings in each of his last 2 starts. kershaw combines high strikeout rates with high groundball rates, a la chris carpenter and brandon webb; if he's on, he will be a tough assignment for the st louis offense.
lohse in st. louis this year: 2.92 era and an opponent line of .225 / .270 / .357. lohse on the road: 5.16 era and an opponent line of .335 / .374 / .500.
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You always remember your first first
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Lineup....
Izturis, SS
Mather, CF
Albert, 1B
Lud, RF
Glaus, 3B
Lopez, LF
Larue, C
Lohse, P
Miles, 2B
Wow, those last 4 are sexy, aren’t they?
you know you wish you could grow a 'stache like Larue
or have GRIT like Miles
or Pitch like Lohse
or.. uh… don’t have anything for Lopez
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Aside from.....
Molina, how can we have put a better lineup out there?
I bet we score 5+ runs today.
I'll take that bet
500 internet dollars
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
I actually don't mind the lineup tonight
I can’t rememer the last time LaRue started, but I want Molina for the Cubs.
I hate Lopez, but Skip’s defense doesn’t make up for his lack of offense against Lefties.
Iz2 is actually a legit threat against lefties.
We won’t score much, but this is the best lineup we can field.
"We won’t score much, but this is the best lineup we can field."
Sadly, you’re right. Yuck.
The frustrating thing is that you KNOW you’re gonna get some “throwaway” lineups when TLR is your manager, so you roll with it. What is irritating is that this isn’t even necessarily a “throwaway” lineup…it’s the best thing we have.
there are a lot of teams that would pay a lot of money to have a throw-away lineup with Pujols and Lud back to back
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I'd say having Yadi and Ankiel
in there would be the best we could have.
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
Yadi actually needs a break this time, can't rest him the next 3 games.
Ankiel should have been dled.
I read that quickly, mistook the "L" for and "I"
and thought you said Ankiel should have died.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I thought so too
I was like why do you want Ankiel dead?
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
that looks like "died".
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
How about
Miles 2B
Mather LF
Pujols 1B
Ludwick RF
Glaus 3B
LaRue C
Lopez SS
Lohse P
Schumaker CF
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
what's the latest on Ankiel returning
anyone know?
I was just typing up the same question.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
he's 3/4 of the way there if we can believe the interview
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicknames for Lopez?
How about we just watch the game and judge him (or at least nickname him) solely based on first impressions.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Fe-Lo
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
how origional
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
Got anything better?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
just because I don't have anything better for a guy I pretty much know nothing about
doesn’t make Fe-Lo a good nickname. For crying out loud, Fe-Lo (Filo) is a type of bread/pastry.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
Never heard of Filo
Must be a midwestern thing
Also, to TheBirds…If Isringhausen is Izzy, and Izturis is Iz2, I guess Lopez could then be Iz3?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Greek
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
Gotcha
No wonder it was Greek to me
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
no more of this iz stuff!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no kidding
why the rush to make up a nickname anyway?
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
b/c that's what VEB does
thought it would be a fun conversation starter.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Compromise:
The Fliz
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know his first name
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopey come lately?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Mancrush
on signing real LF’ers to play LF.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
so uh.,.. (can't believe I'm saying this)
WannaBB? (wanna be Barry Bonds)
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
swiss2
as in, swiss army knife. reference to earlier thread… not terribly clever… why did i even post this?
I dont know
why did you? lol
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Good thing for us the Dodgers are leading off with
Sir Walks-a-not
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
I still hate Jeff Kent
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
yeah
don’t like that guy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Throw away lineup
This lineup is no different than any other lineup the Cardinals throw out there everyday except for Molina. I’ll take a guy batting .308/.374 leading off anyday. Some of you guys…...................
wish Ankiel was in there though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
who's the leadoff hitter that's hitting 308/.374?
Maybe I’m looking at different stats for Cesar…...
vs. lefties maybe?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
not according to the splits from ESPN.com's gamecast link....
Cesar sports a .286 avg hitting right-handed (which is a good bit better than his .199 from the other side), with a .350 OBP (and a .698 OPS fwiw).
Granted, if you’re gonna play Cesar, you want him hitting RH. I just hate our plethora of MMI.
He's hitting .308/.374 as a RHB vs. LHP
Remember he had a few shitty ABs against RHP as a righty
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Numbers
Don’t look at overall look at splits vs. LHP. He is decent against LHP.
Bonds
Bonds is not an answer! He is a problem.
or a question?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
we don’t want clubhouse cancers around. Whoops, Felipe Lopez.
We don’t want people tied to HGH around. Whoops, Troy Glaus.
We don’t want people around who are mean to reporters. Whoops, Albert Pujols.
We don’t want people around who can’t play defense in LF. Whoops, Chris Duncan.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...
The reporters really deserve it from Pujols….......he is a nice guy he just cant stand stupid people….......
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Ankiel
Ankiel ops .755 against LH
Izturis ops .749 against LH
I know they don’t play the same position. Just saying.
what happened
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
whatevs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How did Lopez look on that play?
Would Skip or Mather have made it?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
no
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
What about the throw?
Or was there a throw home?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
get to work
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
kent was running on contact
with two out so he was already halfway home by the time he got the ball
I don't think so. It was dying fast.
That said, Lopez was pretty far away from it when it fell. Skip would have been closer. He was probably comparable to Mather on that one.
Come on......
He plays where the coaches tell him to play…........they set the defense…...
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
They might have made a better throw
but no, no play could be made on the catch.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
there was no play to be had at the plate
Kent was running on contact (2 outs).
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
lineup
I think someone said the same thing last night and we scored how many?
true
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren't even going to have it done for the ASG
they are just leveling the ground so it doesn’t look like a hole on TV.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
I thought that was supposed to be the focal point of this whole new stadium project. Guess not
sounds like how we cleaned our house
when we had guests for Christmas each year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
26-pitch innings
Not a good idea for our last game before a series in Chicago, Kyle
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
dude
the guy isn’t lights out… although he should be doing better at home I guess. how many runs were given up?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just 1
But if 100 pitches is a good goal, he’ll be at 104 through 4 at this rate
We need a nice deep start
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
eh
he’s probably just having a slow start… which he usually does I think
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
oh no
1 run, we’re gonna lose!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip
Skip would have been playing Left Center and everyone would have asked where in the world was SKIP on that play.
Lefties
Lesson to be learned.
Teach your kid to throw left!
only helps if they can throw 90
if not, you severely limit their options in the field.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
The Killer L's
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
don't discount the 'stache!
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I would have been esctatic had it been against anyone other than the cubs.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
My favorite was
Derek “Mr. Operation Shutdown” Bell.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
Make him pay Luddy
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
honestly...
I’d still walk Pujols, even with Luddy behind him.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I would like to see our current CF show up our former CF this weekend.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
heck yeah
in Wrigley no less!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been doin it all season
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
or the fountain of wind and small fields?
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
way to make the guy at least work a little, AP
He had thrown what, like 4 pitches between Cesar and Mather?
i like that he just took that walk
he was very patient
Glaus needs to find his stroke
Like, right now
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Don't hold your breath
Ankiel’s been playing tomorrow for a week now.
just a suggestion
if you use the reply button – it’s easier to understand your comments in relation to the original posts.
only if he's drunk striking or popping out!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just walking Pu, Lud, and Glaus to get to Lopez
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Nevermind
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Throw that helmet!!!
There ya go.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
yes
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
If I were Torre
I would walk Pujols and Ludwick every time through the lineup.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
what about putting Glaus ahead of Albert, then Lud, then Ank?
just trying to get Glaus going….with Albert and Lud behind him, he would see the easiest pitches possible
sounds like it's worth a try at least
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a common thought to
put a guy in front of Pujols to get him better pitches and increase his production. I’m not necessarily against it in this case, but we shouldn’t get in the habit of having whoever is slumping at the moment in the 2-hole.
agreed
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He is streaky
If he is going bad I dont think it matters where he is in the lineup but when he is good he is really good!
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Never been to wrigley...
any chance of me getting into the game if I go to chicago tomorrow? Scalpers? anything reasonable online?
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
nope
no reasonable prices online. your best bet is to try and keep saying “I need tickets” over and over again outside. usually someone has an extra ticket or you’ll find a scalper guy if you keep trying
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks...
by the name I’m going to assume you are a pretty reliable source
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you got it
if you’re around during the weekend and your bored, shoot me an email
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice play by Lohse
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
13-pitch inning
Nice work Kyle
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
sounds like it
my computer here at work sucks ass
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i would LOVE to see this part of the lineup....
take some pitches and make Kershaw work here. He’s already (jesus Lopez!!!!) thrown like 29 pitches.
oh yeah?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
In the time it took me to play a game of minesweeper
The bottom of the 2nd is already over
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
You ever beat expert of minesweeper?
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
It's not that bad
though there are some unsolvable boards
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I got down to the last two squares
one was a mine.. one wasnt had to guess and I guessed wrong…...
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I'm pretty good
Alot of times I get to a point where I’ll just have to guess though
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
i wonder how long...
the lopez experiment will run…
this guy is the poor man’s poor man’s skip schumaker, who happens to play the infield.
it’s a travesty he’s in over skip.
i give you that argument.
anybody know lopez’s stats against LHP?
by RedbirdAvenger on Aug 7, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure but i think it was significantly better than vs. RHP
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely
BUT, I’d MUCH rather have Skip’s defense out there if they’re both going to go 0 for 4.
On with the (good) youth movement!
I have no problem..
with skip sitting vs. any lefty, but Lopez should NEVER play the outfield. We shouldn’t have 3 weak hitting MIF in the lineup at once
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well who plays LF then?
I don’t want skip playing…. Who is the RH power bat? Should we play Looper in LF
I guess it was supposed to be Nick Stavinoah...
that didn’t work out so well. The yearlong question of “Why do we have 4 MIF’s?” remains.
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
they're just trying to make him feel at home
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So do you unintentionally-intentionally walk Manny everytime?
With a lefty on the mound, plus the string of 4-6 unproductive hitters we have out there today, I don’t think you can let Manny beat you.
Conspiracy theory alert!
Maybe Tony is pissed off we didnt do anything during the deadline so he is trying to make Moe angry?
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I think this is just his typical
“day game after a night game after the series is already won’-type trick
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
If it really keeps the players sharp
I don’t mind it, though I wish it could be on a game that Piñeiro starts
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Sure, maybe
Maybe it keeps the players sharp (hard to argue with his success over the years), but – and I emphasize today aside – isn’t a sweep better than 2 out of 3? I dunno…I’d just get a bit pissed if I was the starter going out there with the throwaway lineup as my run support.
So later we'll see Miles in relief?
With a dash of Kennedy coming in to play 2B? It would be pretty amazing to have 4 crappy MMI on the field at once…...
lineup trivia question
What’s the largest number of switch hitters in a starting lineup?
I realize Izturis isn’t in it, but if he was, and Lopez was in LF, that would give us 3 today with Miles at 2B.
Has there ever been more than that?
doh... looked at the wrong post...
and Iz2 is playing today, so that gives us 3 switch hitters… Tony must be in heaven.
1985 Cards
I do not know your answer but…
The ‘85 Cards had 5 regular switch hitters – Herr, Ozzie, Pendleton, Willie and Vince.
I would've bet any amount of money that..
that was going to happen today
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
We've got some serious internet/cyber dollar action on today's game above
Redbird and I have the “under” on the Cards scoring 5 runs. I’m sure someone would give you some fake action.
Whats the odds we get no hit today?
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Was someone on base?
When Manny hit his homer?
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
yes
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
what is it
3-0 now?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
it was an absolute cock shot fastball to Manny there
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
still confused
as to why we’re pitching to him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesnt get very good jumps in center
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
he's not really a CF
is he?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont think so
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
wan't he a 3B coming up?
I think he’s only been playing OF for a few seasons
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
right
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
haven't you heard?
positions don’t matter anymore. Just stick them out there somewhere.
On with the (good) youth movement!
That should be Tonys motto
Albert a 2b, Miles a RP, Lopez a OF, Iz2 a major leaguer lol
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
miles a SS, 3B and LF..
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles in LF?
I would pay to see that lol
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I must have missed that
dangit….....
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
he chipped in 2/3 of an inning last year...lol
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Lohse is pitching
But trying to get a sweep is like trying to get a save for this team. I would have put the odds of winning @ around 15%
There is no excuse whatsoever to give Manny anything to hit with men on base
especially with the rest of this Dodger lineup. DO NOT LET 1 PLAYER BEAT YOU! More than likely the rest of that lineup wont hurt you too much.
that's the part I don't get
why pitch to mr. m.r. when you have a light hitting lineup to mess around with?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The strategy seemed to work for LAD
except they extended it: Walk Pujols AND Ludwick, then take your chances with a slumping Glaus and the subsequent black hole.
who?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
iz2...was doubled off though
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh
hit and run just has so many negative outcomes
Espeically when you're trying to hit and run with a power hitting dude at the plate
I can understand it with the low K, high avg types like Miles, but with Mather…
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
wtf that was a terrible play
dp with pujols on deck
infield pop into a double play
that is one I do not remember seeing
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Every game makes me think tony should be fired a little more
don’t try to defend him, I can’t be swayed. Just wait for the next time he makes a dumb call.
Whatever dude
He should be the manager of the year hand down…........
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
100% agreed...
but i think if he doesn’t win it, its because of the way he handled the closer’s role. Especially if Perez dominates from here on out and the cards fall short
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
do they even vote on that? I don’t know what I’m talking about.
On with the (good) youth movement!
it is the writers
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
even then...
you could argue that the cards would be infront of the cubs with an inferior roster, if the closer role wasn’t pissed away
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
no, not at all.
we’re down by 4 with five innings to go, and even if we lose, we win the series.
On with the (good) youth movement!
pretty soon....
someone will ask you if you’ve read “Three Nights in August,” then you’ll either say “yes” or “no.” Just to be clear, if you say haven’t read the book, just lie about it and say you did. Otherwise, you’ll get something like “You cannot even begin to understand how much Tony knows/thinks/eats/sleeps the game of baseball. Go read Three Nights in August.”
Tony’s done a solid job with this year’s team (picked to fight PIT for the worst record in the division), so I kid a little with this post, but I have seen that “logic” quite a few times.
Ludwick, Lohse, Welly, etc have saved the season
The players are the ones that are important, tony needs to just let them play.
Ludwick's playing every day and the other two are in the rotation
and will be in the proposed 4 man if it ever happens, which would be the first time in ten years that a manager has tried a four man.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
not saying he's keeping them from playing
but his managing style interferes with the games too much.
some would argue
that they’ve won IN SPITE of Tony, not BECAUSE of Tony. I don’t know if I’d go that far, but the repeated bullpen decisions, 37* slap-hitting middle infielders on the roster, plus his earlier insistence on sitting Ludwick vs. righties so Duncan could get ABs (when Lud was on fire, mind you) was puzzling to say the least.
*this is probably an exaggeration of the actual number of middle infielders on the roster.
for those of you that don't have the FSN feed
Dan ‘n Al are actually having an argument about whether or not Tom Pagnozzi would make a good spokesperson for Fruit of the Loom
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
heh
those two are gettin a little fruity today!
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Shannon is fruity everyday lol
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
he's awesome though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
there's the dvr sleep screen again!
Is the mlb.tv feed Al’s personal tv hooked up to a slingbox?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Maybe Lohse is losing it a bit
he had that horrible start two times ago in NY as well….
all the more reason NOT to put Waino in the pen
I think I have said this before but Klayton Kershaw is a great name
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
well it's official
Game over. When Juan Pierre does anything good, let alone triples to “deep right” against you, it is not your day.
Sorry to be such a downer. I was pretty jaded since teh lineups came out and I saw 3 MMI starting.
this is our typical lineup actually
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
against lefty's that is
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Well, Pierre doesn't have a lot going for him
but an ability to leg doubles into triples is one of the things he has working for him.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
stupid BBT
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is my impression of an ESPN Analyst..................
Brett Favre Brett Favre Red sox Yankee Brett Favre Cubs Brett Favre Red sox Yankee Brett Favre Cubs Lebron Brett Favre Brett Favre…......
Wow I am good enough to work for ESPN!
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I am wicked-glad that Favre got traded FINALLY
Granted, we’ll have a week or two of analyzing his impact on the J-E-T-S, how he stacks up vs. the Pats D, etc., but now we can all sleep a little better knowing where Favre will be playing this season.
seriously
i’m a little puzzled as to why we were all fussing and fretting over something as insignificant as our bullpen when there was bretty favre news for most of the day. i’d like to see some priorities here, people!
Exactly! this morning........
I didnt even hear ESPN mention Red sox Yankees one time…...all Brett Favre
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Sarcasm ALERT!
Oh I am so sad I missed that….......
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Nope
You forgot Duke Tiger Tiger Duke.
Your fired.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Aug 7, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have added Tiger
but hes been hurt
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
don't worry guys
we have larue, lohse, miles, izturis coming up next. i smell a big inning by the heart of the order.
Ugly half-inning there
Maybe it will just take Lopez a while to get adjusted…..?
(or maybe he just thinks it’s weird that he has to play the OF instead of the IF…..and he’s being passive-aggressive by taking crappy ABs)
Or maybe he's just not that good
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
What's Manny's beef with Pujols?
They just showed him giving a fake press conference type thing that I’m pretty sure was ripping on Pujols for the “line drive hitter that hits home runs” thing.
They're both from Santo Domingo, Domincan Republic, I guess
maybe they have some history together. He could have been just teasing Albert, too.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
They seem like Buddys
When they are at 1st together
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
There was something in the paper
talking about how Manny was heckling him in the batting cages. Pujols said something like, “I don’t care if there are nine Mannies out there, it’s not going to affect my game.”
Wasn’t sure if Manny’s really trying to take el Hombre down a peg or two. Maybe they were being buddies because of Pujols GS last night.
Or maybe Manny’s just a goofy jackass. (Who can hit like a beast)
manny's a clown
that’s about all you have to say
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Shannon & Rooney are doing the Tonight Show today with all kinds of guests
Billy Bob, the Naby guy from the reality show, who’s next Don Rickles?
Waino moving to the bullpen
Single-handedly undoes all the credit Mo built up with signing Lohse and the Glaus trade.
I don't know about that...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Would that be Mo's call or TLR's call?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Then I hope he's calling the operator
Dialing up those 0’s
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
tony won't even let Perez become the closer
wants to keep him under the radar, and when you’ve got talent to waste like Wainwright, why even bother.
To clarify
All tony was saying there was that he didn’t want people telling Perez that he’s the second coming of Bruce Sutter. I guarantee you that Tony would like for nothing more than Perez to nail down the ninth inning every time he gets the ball from here on out.
Haven’t you read “Three Nights in August?” (To complete a joke from earlier in the thread)
i mean in a save situation
throw up any loser today, save the arms for the cubs, I want KMac pitching all 3 games.
That's a little over the top
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
I was talking about the Wainwright comment
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
I don't know who's it is
but Mo needs to step in if it’s Tony’s call.
I’m just tired of blaming mo for everything.
MEMO TO KYLE LOHSE:
If you finish the season 21-3 you will get paid a lot more than if you finish 12-11
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
he has 13 wins already so he cannot end the season 12-11
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
good point
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
er..13-11 that is
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
the offense is due
to take the day off as they do from time to time
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Izturis and Miles to the rescue!
The offense rears its head . . . sort of . . .
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
pitching to a fairly dead lineup
he threw like 3 pitches almost straight down the middle to larue, tapper out in front of the plate… now lohse is up…
My theory
they just want them to feel as though they are doing well.
The Cardinals don’t like teams to lose disappointed.
they felt sorry for them falling to one game under .500
can’t let them leave St. Louis feeling dejected. let them leave on even terms
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
where
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Aug 7, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Clayton Kershaw is
Mowing our lineup down like
Sandy Koufax would
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
I think thats the first time I've witnessed with
my own eyes Cesar getting an RBI
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
When Mather gets over powered
He really doesn’t mess around.
Seems like he’s going to have a really long learning curve in the bigs . . .
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
Almost as long as his swing
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Oh my goodness........
Did Dan just mention Favre?????????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Small ball
Has anyone mentioned that Kershaw looks like a little leaguer? 13 at the most.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
And if you squint hard
Joe Torre looks like Walter Matthau.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 7, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I like 8 pitch innings.
Go Kyle.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Hey LB...
still no overflow.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I think the alarm went off
But the thread was programmed.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 7, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Er
wasn’t programmed. We may not get an overflow, in other words.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 7, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
tomorrow
is tomorrows game at Wrigley a day game?
We should start taking every pitch
in hopes that Kershaw runs his pitch count way up and leaves the game.
Cause he is dominating us.
kershaw
shannon says this may be his last batter
This another pick from the nostalgia pile
I don’t why, but Tony only remembers players from their All-Star years. It doesn’t matter how many intervening years have gone by in which they’ve sucked. (also see Juan Gonzales, Adam Kennedy, Mike Myers).
by Red in Chicago on Aug 7, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm just glad it wasn't vizcaino or cairo...
not crazy about the move at all…it was worth a shot…give it a couple more games and shut this little experiment down.
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 7, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
some of them have worked out a lil though
Troy Percival and maybe Trot Glaus even a little bit
10 in a row
Now let’s wake up the bats a little bit fellas
Whoops
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Error 404
There something deep and philosophical about Error Message 404:
“The page you were looking for doesn’t exist.”
Is it a metaphor for religion, of happiness found in the possession of material things, or in worldly pursuits?
Or is the merely a deadend caused by missing punctuation, thereby emphasizing the cruel absurdity and essentially meaninglessness of existence?
All of which is to say, the link didn’t work, hardcore.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
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