Hard to Explain
You know what? I had just about begun to believe that Izzy was, in fact, some sort of anime character. You know, the kind where the main character gets kicked into a mountain and the top of said mountain bursts open in a huge cloud of dust. The villain stands there, chuckling and explaining why the hero is weak. He continues talking to no one, when suddenly- wait! The voice of the hero comes from the huge crater left in the ground. He's not only still alive, but his power level has somehow increased threefold, and he now has a dramatic monlogue to recite as the enemies' eyes fly open, looking stunned.
Sadly, I'm now almost completely convinced that Isringhausen doesn't have a drop of Saiyan blood in him, nor is he any sort of Samurai warrior, spirit based or otherwise. (If you have no idea what I'm talking about here, pat yourself on the back. You've got a real life! The rest of you are all nerds.) I'm pretty sure that Izzy is, in fact, just done.
Of course, luckily, we have Ryan Ludwick to come along and save the day, hitting a bomb to center field in order to get everybody off the hook. I would imagine there were some very, very relieved relief pitchers on that bench last night when Luddy connected with that ball. Suddenly, it no longer mattered quite so much what they had done; the game was still won, and that's all that matters, right?
Can we finally call it quits now Tony? Please? Can we please, please just stop this farce, of running two relievers out there, day after day, who simply don't have what it takes to get the job done any longer? We all remember how bad things got toward the end of 2006. Well, we're right there again now, and I'm just not sure how much La Russa has actually learned. I suppose we'll see whether or not those past lessons have taken root. if we see Perez on his way back up, and possibly Jason Motte to go along with him, great. We may yet see this team have another run in them. If not, though, well...
All of the late inning collapses and shenanigans served largely to take the focus away from where it really belonged last night. The performance that Chris Carpenter handed the Cardinals was astounding. Carp last night was as sharp as I think I've ever seen him. Even with a curveball that still wants to roll a bit as opposed to snapping down, I couldn't help but think that Carpenter looked ready to anchor a rotation again right now. The man is unbelievable.
The other major news of the night was the Cardinals' newest acquisition, that of recently released utility infielder Felipe Lopez. Sigh.
You know, I've been a pretty staunch backer of Mozeliak since the beginning of his term, but this move is just flat out bad. I could say lots of things about Lopez, and why he doesn't appreciably improve the Cards' chances, and all of these other things, but I'm going to keep it short and, well, somewhat less than sweet.
This season, Lopez sports a nifty EqA of .218. That's exactly identical to that of Cesar Izturis. It's just a hairs breadth better than that of Brendan Ryan, the player whose roster spot Lopez will be taking, which sits at a robust .214. Lopez offers no real upgrade over two of the weakest offensive players in all of baseball, and guess what? He sucks out loud with a glove on his hand, too. Both Ryan and Izturis are capable of playing great defense, at least somewhat mitigating their complete lack of offensive production. Lopez is a liability on the defensive side of the ball, too. Congratulations, Mo. I didn't think it was possible, but you managed to find a player who actually represents a downgrade over our current middle infield options.
Hey, at least Lopez offers versatility, right? He can play three middle infield positions, and the outfield too! Can I tell you how sick I am of hearing this line too? I have had pretty much my fill of hearing about how many options a player offers you, when all the options he offers are bad ones. If I offer to punch you in the face, kick you in the crotch, or stab you in the side with a sharpened screwdriver, is that better than just offering one of those three services? True, you do have options this way, but they still all kind of suck.
Bottom line, Felipe Lopez is a bad ballplayer. He offers no real upgrade to this team, and significantly hurts them in at least one facet of the game. I suppose it didn't take any talent to acquire him, though, so there's that, right? Eh. This move still gets a big, solid whatever from me.
I'm cutting it short this morning, folks. Discuss amongst yourselves, and I'll see you all again later this evening with a game thread. Have a nice day, everybody.
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is izzy Hercule (or Mr. Satan for you purists)?
or does that role belong to TLR?
by jeff_abs on
Aug 6, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Is it sad that I chuckled at this?
Or, that I began wondering whether Izzy would be Goku or Vegeta.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
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it's pretty clear to me
that the bullpen would represent all the scrubs … tien, yamcha, etc.
yes I’m a nerd.
by jeff_abs on
Aug 6, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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One Nerd to Rule All
I learned Japanese in High School so I could watch DBZ that I ordered in Japan.
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
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Izzy doesn't throw the
kamehameha.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on
Aug 6, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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could izzy's OPS against this year ever climb
OVAR 900!!!
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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actually it was
WHAT? OVER 9000?
I''m a Jenius!
If Adam Kennedy can make a MLB roster, anyone can!
by gibbons on
Aug 6, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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FWIW
Lopez has been more passable away from Washington this year, to the tune of .292/.349/.387/.736.
Pardon me while I cling tightly to this fact for hope.
by mojowo11 on
Aug 6, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
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Multifuncitonality
Why would we want to take ABs away from Mather, Schumaker, Ankiel, or Ludwick and hand them to Lopez as an OFer? Essentially, playing Lopez in the outfield is taking time away from those four. Why on God’s green earth would we want to do that?
What’s more, we don’t need another MIF. We need a power bat who can pinch hit with pop and sub at third or first as needed. Instead, we add another middling middle infielder. This is a move that is as unnecessary as it is nonsensical and Mo deserves whatever criticism comes from it.
Mojo, I still believe in a place called hope and as much as I want to liken the move to Abe Nunez, I can’t. He’s Abe Nunez minus the glove, plus attitude. No thank you.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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I'm with you
But maybe, MAYBE he’ll show a little bit of that .291/.352/.486 we saw in 2005. In that case, I could excuse playing him at 2B/SS. However, if they play him in the outfield EVER, TLR should be fired on the spot. That’d just be silly.
Otherwise, while I’m not sure this move is necessarily bad, I do think it’s pretty pointless.
by mojowo11 on
Aug 6, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
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Absolutely
I agree that there was once a productive player there and that said productive player could re-emerge. I just don’t know that we should be placing a bet on that in the midst of a neck-and-neck playoff race. I think that we both agree on this point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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lopez's 2005 year
was most likely attributed to PED’s
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by Bahamaredbird on
Aug 6, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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Great. He fits right in.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Aug 6, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
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this is a blog, who needs evidence?
/buzz
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by themanthemyth on
Aug 6, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
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Come on!
Has he ever tested positive? remember, MLB was testing in 2005. Why would you make such an outlandish accusation w/ no evidence whatsoever?
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
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I could be wrong but
Barry never tested positive either
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by Bahamaredbird on
Aug 6, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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has any evidence ever been presented
under oath that Lopez took steroids? I might be wrong, but I don’t think it has.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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Can they test for HGH?
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by Bahamaredbird on
Aug 6, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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nope
does HGH help in the absence of steroids? nope. did you say he took HGH? nope. You said steroids. Continue w/ this vapid argument if you want but you know that there is no evidence of any kind that Felipe Lopez has ever taken steroids and it’s irresponsible of you to say that he has.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
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FWIW
He didn’t say “steroids”. He said “PEDs” and HGH falls under the category of PEDs.
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by Tackle Box on
Aug 6, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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HGH is for older players thats bodies are starting to break down
It does very little for younger players
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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Like
the wily vet Rick Ankiel?
"If I ain't startin' I ain't departin'"
by templetown on
Aug 6, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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just because he took it
doesn’t mean it did anything
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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He took it to help heal a tendon after a surgery
Which is what HGH is very handy at doing…that’s what it’s used for medically.
by mojowo11 on
Aug 6, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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but he's a switch hitter!!
and therefore it can’t be a pointless signing!!! Talk about versatility!!
- Editor’s note: the above comments are completely tongue in cheek
by A1R3Z on
Aug 6, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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We do need another MIF
Just not one whose performance mirrors what we’ve already got. Mo must have a running bet with the other GMs (maybe a new GM rite of passage?) that he can assemble the worst MIF of all time.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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I'd leave Lopez at SS
For a few games and see if he’s any better than Izturis. Depending on the numbers you could also try him at 2B if Miles needs a break and you want to avoid using Kennedy. I would only use Lopez as an emergency OF, ie: never.
I''m a Jenius!
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by gibbons on
Aug 6, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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Plus according to Moz he is a "plus defender"
That is flippin sweet.
by OCCardsFan on
Aug 6, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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"If I offer to punch you in the face, kick you in the crotch, or stab you in the side with a sharpened screwdriver..."
i laffed
by UNCDubya on
Aug 6, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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Thats not even the worst of it
Looks like we also placed a claim on Livan thankfully Colorado picked him up first
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
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Didn't it just say.....
That Colorado won their claim over A team with a better record? I don’t recall it pointing specifically to us. Could have been one of a few teams.
by SoonerfanTU on
Aug 6, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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It did
I posted it on here, and I said I though that the other team was probably us. It said it was a NL team with a better record than Colorado, so that already eliminates like four or five teams
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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Ha, Ha! Livan is the ultimate "pitch to contact" pitcher.......
The Twins have good defense. If he couldn’t perform well there, I don’t see him performing well in Colorado. It will be quite a high wire act for him to be successful. His fastball tops out at about 83 these days…......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
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Aug 6, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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Defense doesn't matter much
when the “contact” = a ball landing five rows deep in the seats…. :-)
Livan here in Denver could be worse than the Denny Neagle disaster a few years back. Yeesh.
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by TurdFerguson on
Aug 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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actually
according to the defensive metrics that someone posted yesterday, the Twins were near the bottom of the league in defense.
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by fourstick on
Aug 6, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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I'm hoping that getting Lopez now
makes B.Ryan better in September. Brendan simply wasn’t able to contribute much as a bench player. He’ll get to play every day for a few weeks, and when he gets back he’ll be in a better position to contribute.
by hit and run on
Aug 6, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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I'm definately going with the sharpened screwdriver.
It wont’ effect my fertility AND it has the impressive story going along with the scar. “Yeah, I got stabbed in the side with a sharpened screwdriver.” I will neglect to say that it was by an anime-loving internet blogger. I might enhance it a bit and add prison time to it and maybe call it a shank wound.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on
Aug 6, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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No offense, the red baron, I love ya, man!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on
Aug 6, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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Not so sure about that choice
Of the three, the screwdriver to the side would seem to have the most potential for life-threatening complications (infection from the dirty screwdriver, internal bleeding, hit a vital organ…) Of course, the brag factor would be highest. Much higher than the trauma to the groin option.
by ArkansasTravs on
Aug 6, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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Exactly! That's what I'm talking about.
How many guys get kicked in the balls? Lots. How many guys get stabbed with a sharpened screwdriver? Not many. Maybe Aaron Miles. He’s gritty enough to survive it.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on
Aug 6, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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End the Charade
As for the ‘pen, this was the final straw for me. I had tricked myself into believing that the Brothers Grimm (Izzy and Franky) could do the job now that their traditional roles had been re-assigned, but they can’t. For those of us who still purchase the paper and ink version of the Baseball Prospectus, we are witnessing “collapse.” It is the end of the road for the once-reliable, always dramatic, Izzy. Sadly, I don’t know that he has any value for the roster, even in low leverage situations.
Give the closer job to McClellan, who we can promptly dub with the nom du guerre of “McCloser,” DFA Izzy unceremoniously, and call up Perez. Drastic times call for drastic measures and I’ll be darned if we are going to waste a season of Pujols at his peak due to misplaced devotion to battle-worn warriors who can no longer get it done in the late innings. I appreciate everything that Izzy has done for us over his Cardinal career and wish that he could have attained his 300th save this year, but we can’t afford to throw games away trotting him out there any longer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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DFA Izzy
Man, I wish that was even a remote possibility, but I don’t see them ever doing that, after all he’s done for the organization. I wish it could, but it seems like a pipe dream to me.
I’m really not set on McClellan closing either. I like the fact that he can come in during high leverage situations in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings. I think he’s much more valuable that way. If you’re going to call up Perez and DFA Isringhausen, I’d make Perez the closer and live with what happens. It can’t be any worse than Izzy.
That being said, McCloser is a great moniker and the club might be able to get more marketing dollars from McDonalds as well. :-D
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 6, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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Trade Izzy for Favre?
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on
Aug 6, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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I'm thinking...
something I’m not accustomed to to begin with…that if we can DL Izzy and/or Franklin, then put them on a 10 day rehab they can come up when the rosters expand and ride the bench while the young guys do the work. WW gave Izzy a lot of credit for what he was able to accomplish as the closer in late 2006…maybe he can do the same for Perez/Motte/Worrell…?
by cardzfanbub on
Aug 6, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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Lets give it to the rookies
Just like in 06 either K-Mac or Perez as closer and give Jaime a bigger job in the pen too….win or lose with the rookies!
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by Calhoun on
Aug 6, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
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closer = Wainwright; Lopez = decision after bong hit?
At this moment, the starting pitching can be considered OK. It’s not the greatest and probably not enough to make it past the first round of the playoffs, but it just might be good enough to get to the playoffs. Which, for this team, would be a nice accomplishment. I’m not advocating for mediocrity here, but making the playoffs as the Wild Card team would rock. Now, to MAKE IT there, the bullpen needs to be fixed and – voila! – here’s Adam Wainwright, aka the next John Smoltz. Save us a game, Adam! And again, and again… I know all those stats out there to argue he’s worth more in the starting rotation, but the Cardinals aren’t hemmoraging games in the starting rotation. Of course, they could move someone else to the bullpen… Todd W. As for the Lopez signing. Ummm. Maybe Mo just saw Pinapple Express or something? I don’t see the logic in this at all.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by palampe on
Aug 6, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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I'd rather close Welley
For his own good and the club’s. Waino can go much deeper into games, and I think we can all agree that minimizing the bullpen innings right now is a great idea. Meanwhile, Welley is taking on a pretty heavy innings load for him. Let him finish up the season in the pen. His 95 MPH heat + nice slider are a textbook closer repetoire.
by mojowo11 on
Aug 6, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
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+1
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by TurdFerguson on
Aug 6, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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"[T]he Cardinals aren’t hemmoraging games in the starting rotation"
Obviously you’ve missed Joel Pineiro’s last few starts
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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Well...
...not all of the flaws in this team can be addressed. Here’s hopin’ that ol’ Joel figures out that he needs to be effective past inning #3. Are there any options that fix the closer-end of the bullpen AND improve the starting rotation? I can’t think of any way to move the pieces around to make that work. I really do hope either Wainwright or Welley can shore up the bullpen. With days scheduled off the rest of the schedule, can the Cardinals mimimize the damage Pineiro can do as a starter?
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by palampe on
Aug 6, 2008 12:03 PM EDT
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the fact that our starters are not going deep into games
is part of the reason why our bullpen is not effective. the other two reasons are izzy and frankenstein
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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Then how come......
Last year our starters NEVER went deep into games and our bullpen rocked?
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
by Calhoun on
Aug 6, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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Alot of Negative Nancies around here lately.....
First, on Izzy and Franklin. I believe that both have been good enough in the past, and Izzy good enough over his career, alot of which has been spent in STL, to deserve EVERY POSSIBLE CHANCE. I think we’ve finally reached that point, though I’m not sure simply releasing either one is a legit option. Like I’ve mentioned before, you just don’t release guys like that, especially guys like Izzy. Like it or not, agree with it or not, TLR doesn’t like embarrassing players like that. I’m sure some of you will chime back in with how Izzy is embarrassing himself by the way he is pitching, and I don’t disagree. Hopefully he can be convinced to go back on the DL or something. Franklin hasn’t been good, but I think there is still a place for him in the bullpen, albeit it needs to be in a slightly different role. Anybody know Franklin’s contract status for next season?
Carp looked amazing last night, good to see. We should be in pretty nice shape rotation-wise next year, assuming we can stay healthy.
Not sure why everybody is SO against the Lopez signing. Ryan has had his chance this season, and has been VERY mediocre. Not to mention, MI has been our biggest problem this year, and projects to be our biggest problem going forward. Why not take a shot at a kid (he’s still relatively young) that just 3 seasons ago hit 23 HR’s, and this year has hit nearly .290 away from him home park? To me this is the ultimate low risk, high reward type signing…..much like Barton and Ludwick. Maybe Lopez comes in and produces exactly how he has all year, which is still on par with Ryan. Or maybe he comes in, feels rejuvinated, gets a tip from Hal, and becomes our best hitting MI, in which case we sign him for a year or two, and solve a major problem. Also, whether some of you want to admit it or not, with our bullpen in shambles, having a guy that can play multiple positions is a plus. Ryan was pretty much a SS/2B. Lopez can play that, plus 3B (which technically, Ryan can too), and the OF. He won’t get starts out there, but it creates a situation where maybe you can pinch hit for Skip late (against a lefty), and with no other OF options, you can move Lopez out there.
Bottom line is, with all the “problems” this team has, we are still roughly tied for the 2nd best record in the NL, and are only 5 games or so behind the Cubs. Some of you want to nit-pick every game, every loss, but when you step back and look at the season on a whole, we’ve been pretty darn good all things considered. I’d suggest some of you stop getting so upset, and enjoy the season for what it is, which is a MAJOR overachievement given the roster and injuries we’ve had.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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Franklin
was signed to an extension by Jocketty last summer. We owe him $2.5 M next year w/ a $2.75 M option for 2010, w/ a 250K buyout. I still don’t get why he did that.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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I'm optimistic.....
That Franklin can contribute something next year. Maybe he is just tired, maybe he has a small injury that we don’t know about, but his performance of late has been a little mind blowing to me. I don’t mind the extension, in that at the time, there was no reason to think Franklin wouldn’t remain one of our better bullpen arms.
by SoonerfanTU on
Aug 6, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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not worth reading
After taking a look at the first two sentences, I knew this post had to come from one of two or three inane people who routinely spout nonsense here. Skipping to the tag-line, I found out that I was right. For the informed VEB community, don’t bother reading this. For the poster, you might try looking at good measures of current performance and reliable projectors of future performance instead of falling back to the ol’ reliable rah-rah baseball clichés. Organizations that think the way you do end up in the toilet. (See Mariners, Seattle).
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Aug 6, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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and you might try reading the community guidelines as well
Criticize arguments, not posters. And, btw, isn’t it more than a little hypocritical to suggest that another’s post offers nothing in the way of valuable insight when yours offers nothing in the way of valuable, baseball-related, insight?
Here are the community guidelines for your reference.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
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more crticial than I intended
HC, you’re right, I went over the line and focused on the negative rather than offering a good counter-argument. I apologize to you and to soonerfan, I’m just crabby today.
by apack on
Aug 6, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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I don't need an apology
but thanks for offering one. No harm done. We all get that way from time to time.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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To expand on the point not made
There was quite a bit of discussion last year about Franklin’s unsustainable BABIP against. He ended up the year at .249. This year he is at a more meanish .305. So, there were certainly some indications that last years performance was a mirage.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
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Aug 6, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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I don't really see the harm in signing Lopez
We’ve had very good defense this year and we still need a lot of help. Lopez is only 28, was a 1st round pick, and has had some good offensive seasons. He’s just fallen apart the last year and a half but is he going to be worse than Ryan’s been so far this year? I don’t see how. It’s not like we’re on the hook for his contract next year as he’s a free agent. What harm can it do? He may be done but, if he is, we’re not really losing anything. I wouldn’t call it a great signing but it’s not awful either. It’s at least worth a shot.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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There's no harm
But I don’t think there’s much reward either. Seems like a move just to make a move.
Not really related at all: what does Phelps have to do to get a shot off of the bench in the bigs?
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by Alxfritz on
Aug 6, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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he offers more than Stavinoha does, IMO
and, as for Lopez, you’re probably right but at least there’s a track record of some offensive productivity. And he’s still just 28. It seems like he should be about 33, but he should be right in his peak years. If it fails, it fails. It’s not like Ryan was about to propel us into the playoffs—and maybe he’ll get a chance to play everyday at Memphis and work on his hitting.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
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Dont let the age Fool ya
Izturius is only 28
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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Didn't Izturis
hit over .300 with the Dodgers one season?
by stl522 on
Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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He did have that one all-star year
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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but, upon looking at his stats
no, he’s never had a .300 BA
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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Your right
Highest he hit was .288 in ‘04
by stl522 on
Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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But hey!
at least he’ll get to tell his kids he was traded, straight up, for Greg Maddux
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Aug 6, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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You shouldn't have to ask
CardsWin posts about Izturis’ greatness every other week.
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+1
I really don’t see the downside of this.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
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Agree
It’s low risk, high reward. Lets just not sign him to a two year deal worth $13.5 million if he hits for us in September. He’s not a long term solution at the position, but he might be able to get us some much needed offense from the middle infield for the rest of the season.
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by fourstick on
Aug 6, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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Franklin's Value
He could very realistically transition into a Cal Eldred type of middle relief option, but it’s become very apparent that last year was, in face, an aberration and is not in any way, shape, or form, a justification for continuing to entrust him with high leverage appearances. His BB/9 climbed for four consecutive years prior to 2007, when it plummetted from 3.84 to 1.24. This year, it is back up 3.72, in line with the regression from 2003-2006. Additionally, after BABIP of .293, .293, and .294, it fell precipitously last season to .255. This year, it is at .312. Oh, and Franklin’s BAA, which was .284, .283, and .283 before falling to .255 last season is .283 this season. So, Franklin is doing exactly what should have been expected of him due to his established pitching ability save for last year’s anomoly of a season.
Simply put, Franklin is performing as Franklin is capable of performing based on his previous season’s of pitching.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
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Aug 6, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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I think that's right
it was unreasonable to expect Franklin to be as good as he was last year. He’s an ok middle relief option or could start, in a pinch, if needed. We need better at the back end of the pen. Right now, McClellan and Springer and (I think) Perez offer that.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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what's puzzling to me...
is that, on the one hand, we have izzy… he is given chance after chance this year because of all he has done for us (i love izzy, he has done a great job over the years, just not this year). franklin on the other hand, has one good year totally out of line with his career, and gets almost the same amount of trust it seems, since for some reason he’s our only other option to close. i think franklin is obviously a better reliever now than izzy though, he just needs to be put back in a role that suits him.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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Garcia
First off, HC, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I’ve seen Perez pitch in AAA and saw his big league debut in St. Louis. I think he is an upgrade-and, at worst, still better than Izzy-who should be recalled up to St. Louis. I also think that it’s high time a change occurred in the 9th. I don’t at all disagree with McClellan’s value as a guy for high leverage situations from the 6th through 8th innings, but something has to be done to shore up the 9th.
A question: Could Garcia close? He strikes me as very similar to Wainwright of 2006 vintage with a good fastball and nice curveball. What’s more, he can get righties out. Just a thought.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
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I don't know why
You’d close Garcia over Perez. Seems like, if anything, Perez is further along in his development. That would be pointless.
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Aug 6, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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I wouldn't
I think it is more likely that TLR would turn to the bullpen he has in St. Louis right now over bringing Perez up and installing him as the closer. If it were my decision, Perez would have been closing since May, but it’s not. McClellan is probably the best pitcher in the ‘pen right now, however, I like his value as a floater for high leverage situations from the 6th through 8th innings. So, if not McClellan, then who? Not Franklin. Not Villone. Possibly Springer. That leaves Garcia, who has a “plus-plus” curve that is likely more developed than Perez’s slider. The last rook with a plus curve to step into the closer role was Wainwright.
Again, I wouldn’t close Garcia over Perez, either. But, I’m not TLR and don’t know what his thought process is at many times during a season—especially when it comes to management of the ‘pen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
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Aug 6, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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"versatility"
I’ve actually become sort of a TLR fan, but have never understood why he touts the alleged “versatility ” of players such as Felipe Lopez and Miguel Cairo. They can play a number of positions, but play them all rather poorly. What’s the advantage of that?
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Aug 6, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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+1
It’s like having a Swiss Army Knife with a dull knife blade, dull scissors, dirty toothpick, and smooth file. I’d rather have a sharp knife, sharp scissors, clean toothpick and rough file.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
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I made the exact same analogy
at some point in the spring of ‘07 regarding TLR’s overuse of Taguchi, Spezio, Miles, etc. If I were smart enough to search the comment archives, I would link to it. . .
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Aug 6, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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You forgot the other major news
Wagonmaker set to make a Rehab< strong> Start on Saterday.
So. People who pay attention to the minor leagues. How has Perez’s Slidder looked these last few weeks.
by Evilfrog on
Aug 6, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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I was just wondering that
how has Perez looked after he was sent back down? I’d like to see him brought up for the Cubs series (unless he hasn’t got a grip on his control and slider)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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Where he pitched like two innings
They weren’t denoted as “starts” even though that’s what they ended up being.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:09 PM EDT
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while that is true
I just got the vibe that he would be rehabbing as a starting. I could be wrong. It’s happened three times this year so far.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
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Thank you
for posting something about the pitching staff (relievers). I was pondering where to write this up and did not believe it was worthy of a fanpost.
Here is how I believe the pitching staff should look down the stretch.
Pre-Waino’s return:
Starting pitcher 1 – Carpenter – after seeing last night’s performance, coupled with last week’s, he looks like he is back in form and building his stamina. I think he could have gone 8 innings last night if the rain stayed away.
Starting pitcher 2 – Lohse – As was said around the All-Star break, Lohse has had #1 or #2 numbers all season long. Compared to the other starters on our team with over 10 starts, he is second on the team in ERA, 1st in wins, 1st in games started, T-1st in losses (least), 1st in innings pitched, 2nd in ERA+, T-2nd in home runs allowed, 2nd in Ks, 1st in WHIP, 1st in K:BB, the list may go on…I’m done checking.
Starting pitcher 3 – Todd Wellemeyer – He has consistently been our #3 starter all year. When Wainwright was healthy, Todd was sitting around at #3 behind Waino and Lohse. When Waino went down, Lohse stepped up to #1 and Welley started hurting. Looper kinda passed him up for a while as the #2, even though Looper did not throw that well either.
Starting pitcher 4 – Braden Looper – He’s better than Jo-El Pineiro.
Starting pitcher 5 – Joel Pineiro – Out of those with 10+ starts, he is last on the team in ERA, Wins, WL% (the only one under .500), Ks, ERA+, K:BB, WHIP, need I say more?
Long Relief – Thompson – He has been great out of the pen this year. He has a higher ERA+ (I know, not a great indicator) than all of our starters not named Waino, Carp, and Lohse…including EVERYONE who has started more than a game.
Lefty – Ron Villone – Since LaRussa will keep a lefty.
Middle Relief – Garcia – He has been slightly better out of the pen thus far. I don’t have him here long.
Middle Relief – Kyle McClellan – strangely enough, his worst pitching has come in middle leverage situations. He has been outstanding, however, in low leverage situations and decent in high leverage. I put him here where he can shine, however, if Springer does not get the job done twice in a row, I switch McClellan to closer.
Setup – Chris Perez – He has absolutely done his best in high leverage situations. No doubt about it. He used to close in the minors, correct? Maybe that’s why…he is used to performing then!
Setup – Ryan Franklin – seriously, what was wrong with Franklin when he was only an 8th inning pitcher? Nothing!
Closer – Russ Springer – I give Springer a try here, for the short term. He has been our best reliever thus far this year. If he has the arm strength to do it, I have him in the role. My worry is that he has 36 IP, mostly in low leverage situations. He has been outstanding in middle leverage situations. He has done his worst in high and low leverage situations. I think he is best suited for setup man, but is needed here (try at least).
When Waino comes back:
SP1 – Wainwright
SP2 – Carpenter (flip these two if you care to, whatever)
SP3 – Lohse
SP4 – Looper (Wellemeyer if the closer role has sorted itself out)
SP5 – Garcia – I hand over the job to him because he’s got a fresh arm, he pitched decently his first time out, and he’s the future here. If we make the post-season, usually you don’t go with 5 starters anyway.
LR – Thompson
Lefty – Villone
MR – Springer (Looper if Welley is not in the CL role)
MR – McClellan
SU – Perez
SU – Franklin – assuming he keeps up the good work.
CL – Wellemeyer – I have come onto VEB several times and posted why he is the best choice right now. The only way I don’t put him here is if Springer/McClellan is absolutely lights out in this role.
by stlfan on
Aug 6, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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Lefty – Ron Villone – Since LaRussa will keep a lefty.
Is there a bullpen without a lefty in it?
by Evilfrog on
Aug 6, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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No Lefty
If we are trotting out our best players, as quoted TLR as saying in last night’s broadcast, then this team does not have one…except for Garcia (who I would move to the rotation at some point.)
by stlfan on
Aug 6, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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I seem to remember one
I seem to remember us facing a team with no Lefty reliever, it may have just been a temp thing but I do seem to remember that.
by StLHugo on
Aug 6, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
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I thought the Angles have had several bullpens minus a lefty.....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Aug 6, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
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Not the "Angles" The "Angels" Doh......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Aug 6, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
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i like angles
more teams should be named after germanic tribes. the baltimore visigoths! teh oakland teutonics! the boston red-saxons!
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
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and here I was thinking
geometrical team names like rhombuses and trapezoids….
geez-o, do I ever need a life.
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by TurdFerguson on
Aug 6, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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i don't know if one of our posts is really nerdier than the other
so at least you have as much of a life as i do!
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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The Kansas city Parallelograms
lol Geometry rules
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by Calhoun on
Aug 6, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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St. Louis Sinusoids
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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ha!
the los angeles angle-side-angles of anaheim
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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Chicago Cubes?
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
by BigMOman on
Aug 6, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
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heh
The New York Parallelogram
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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Hows about
The Chicago Fuzzy Degraded Hyperellipsoids…though that might best pertain to Prince Fielder.
by random on
Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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Milwaukee
Spheres (think Fielder and Sabathia)
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
by BigMOman on
Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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So does the team from Tampa Bay get to keep its current name?
by Ray Lankford on
Aug 6, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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furthermore
the st. louis cardinal (numbers)
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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and Arizona
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sorta..
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
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Aug 6, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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To all of you guys
[clap clap clap]
Thanks for the laugh. After last night’s debacle, I needed it.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
by Mr Clean on
Aug 6, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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Thanks Baron
Read:
General manager John Mozeliak was less circumspect, suggesting there would be a meeting with La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan.
“Tony, Dunc’ and I will talk about what just happened. We can’t keep giving games away,” Mozeliak said. “We’ve been very supportive of Izzy. At some point you have to get results.”
Isn’t he decisive! In command! He will be reviewing Tony’s performance with possible reprimands…...................Truth is, he had to ask for the 100 thousand dollars to bring Lopez in. He has been looking in the MLB dumpster these last weeks looking for another PR diversion. The state of this team is exactly as I have described in earlier posts. Sorry
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Aug 6, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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a handfull of games out of first
and tied for the wildcard?
by Evilfrog on
Aug 6, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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Tiny evil frog
I’m am not criticizing Mo any longer. He is a victim of ownership now too. As he begins looking for scapegoats, he instinctively knows he will become one himself. The Lopez move is just an attempt at avoiding the “Stand Pat” criticisms that are building steam.
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Aug 6, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
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Or
maybe its just a chance to bring in someone who can help the ballclub. Not everything is a conspiracy, you’re starting to sound like Fox Mulder.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 6, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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The reason you rub everyone the wrong way
Is because you state this as fact, like you’re all buddy-buddy with Mo.
You’d be served to learn how to use the phrase “I think…” when you’re making assumptions.
As it is, almost 100% of your posts are just that—assumptions, spin, and bias.
by mojowo11 on
Aug 6, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
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+1. makes you look like you look a little Histrionic...and by a little I mean a lot.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on
Aug 6, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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Its true we are close to the Wildcard but.....
Havent we blown more games than anyone? if our closing was just average we would be the best team in the NL….....
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
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Aug 6, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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I was more attacking (deep breath, run on sentence comming...)
The arguement that Mo is a powerless puppet that management is using to throw this season because they don’t want to spend money due to the fact that they won thier champision and are now looking to sell the team in the next few years and make the highest profit and now they are embarrassed by the team success which has thrown them into the light of the fans so everyone is doing what they can to save face while still loosing and something about either the bush or the busch family. Im not sure which. (that is what you are driving at WCBW, or I am misinterpreting your point?)
The fact that the bullpen sucks is hard to rebuttal and it is a view I actually share.
Either way. We are still in striking distance of the Cubs and still very much in the wildcard race. And we have done this without trading away our future.
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Aug 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
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I'm guessing that Bush
is the Americanized German name Busch… at least I think that’s what wcbw thinks
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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im sure the cubs could say the same thing
about some part of their team.
it just like playing golf…if only i had made those three putts.
every team has certain things that if they did better would have better records.
Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.
by emrfg8 on
Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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LOL
Reprimands? Talk about reading WAY more into something.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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I realize that you have access
to all kinds of information that we common-folk don’t have access to, but where do you get that he had to ask for the $100K for Lopez? You’re just making this up, right, b/c it fits your preconceived notions about Mo’s role in the front office.
Thanks, once again, for enlightening us about the state of the Cardinals. Now we all know exactly how cheap they are. I suppose Kyle Lohse has told you all those things and that’s why he won’t consider returning next year, right?
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Aug 6, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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that's not information
it’s spin. WCB’s not objective. you gotta read him accordingly.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
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How do you read the statment Larry!
Did he say ” Tony and I will be talking”..........before they’ve had a chance to talk. You’re right I am not objective. I will tell you the story, as a courtesy, when it is that time arrives.
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Aug 6, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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Most GMs consult with their manager
When making a roster decision about a closer, a GM would be foolish not to consult with his coaching staff.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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WCB, you've only recently become an observer of the cardinal franchise
and there’s a lot you don’t know about it. jocketty had the exact same type of relationship w/ la russa + duncan that mozeliak had — consultative and collaborative. jocketty didn’t boss tony/dave around; i don’t think anybody has ever bossed those guys around. tony has never taken orders from any GM that i can recall; i lived in oakland for most of his reign there, and i’ve followed him the last 13 years as manager of my team. with all due respect to you and your sources, i am better informed —and more objective -—about the situation than you are. you’re letting your emotions get too wrapped up in this.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
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I agree with your tone Larry,
But, you cannot be better informed though. I will share that story with you too in time. You are capable of being a hostile influence in an arena where people can be hurt. For real. I am always about playing to win. This situations saddens me.
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Aug 6, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
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there are multiple sides to every story
i’m a fan of my team. i want my team to have a plan to stay competitive over the long run, and such a plan is being put in place.. i support that plan. it’s amusing that you consider me a “hostile influence” — hostile to whom? whose interests am i supposed to be looking after?
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Aug 6, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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You can't honestly believe
That any of us buy the “story” line you keep throwing out there. You keep saying that, in time, you will let us all know why you’re such a genius when it comes to the front office.
Nobody believes you. If you did have a connection in the front office, you’d make a whole hell of a lot more sense than you make now. Just throwing out the idea of you having some sort of “in” as an intriguant that’s never fullfilled isn’t going to make us think your opinions/viewpoints are more valid.
Either tell everyone (and somehow prove) what supposed insight you have to the franchise or stop saying you have it. Just saying you are a credible source doesn’t make you one. It’s possible you’re Mo incognito…but probably you’re just someone who’s trying to lend validity to his statements by making up an imaginary connection.
by mojowo11 on
Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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All he did
Was just quote Goolds Blog post today
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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wow
“you cannot be better informed” and “I will tell you the story, as a courtesy, when that time arrives”. now that’s entertaining.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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"you cannot be better informed"
sounds like a complement…unless it ends with “compared to…”, which I think WCBW intended.
still wondering about the story, too.
by redrey on
Aug 6, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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YOU cannot be better informed is what it said, as in, no one is as informed as I am
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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if you could care less
than do so now!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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*then
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
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I can't wait
for you to tell us the whole story, Mr. Oracle.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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You'll probably need a secret decoder ring to understand it though
so don’t hold out too much hope.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 6, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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And he almost only responds to lboros
so there’s no way of even asking questions that he’ll answer
by saladdays on
Aug 6, 2008 11:52 AM EDT
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Eat More Ovaltine?!
Thats it?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Aug 6, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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and eat should be drink
im an idiot
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
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Aug 6, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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+1
haha!
....my quick smells like french toast...
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Aug 6, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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I'm going to read it
in my best Paul Harvey voice.
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
by Alxfritz on
Aug 6, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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The whole Wainwright-to-the-pen argument is very valid
Why NOT send him back to the ‘pen? His upgrade over our current closing situation has to mean more to our team than his upgrade over our #5 starter, which won’t even need to pitch for the next month. Using off-days, we can go to a rotation of Carp, Welly, Loshe, and Loop for the next month easily. Therefore, inserting Waino into the rotation would essentially mean an upgrade over Loop, and not Piniero. In addition, moving Pineiro to the ‘pen does us very little good at all. Following this reasoning, doesn’t it make tons of sense to let Wagonmaker close?
BTW, I haven’t seen him throw or anything, but Future Redbirds is keeping an eye on Perez, and he is back to being the lights-out guy he is used to. What would a bullpen with McClellan, Motte, Perez, Garcia, and Wainwright look like? My vote is for AWESOME sheathed in a shiny candy shell.
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by Eckstreem on
Aug 6, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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The only reason(s) I can think of.....
Are that if you stick him in the pen, you still trot out JP, Looper, and Welly (though he looked better this last start). I just wonder if we aren’t better going to a 4-man rotation of Carp, Waino, Lohse, and either Welly or Looper, with JP getting any 5th day starts necessary, and JP and one of Welly/Looper working out of the pen?
by SoonerfanTU on
Aug 6, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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and carpenter-wellemeyer-lohse-looper is somehow better than carpenter-wainwright-lohse-wellemeyer?
it’s a waste sticking wainwright in the pen. my personal list for closer goes:
1. McClellan
2. Looper
3. Wellemeyer
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by baw on
Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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2 out of 3 ain't bad
but I would have to take Looper off the list. He has never been a particularly good closer, even when he had much better stuff than he does now. Maybe a setup guy, but I would leave him in the rotation as the #4 guy.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Aug 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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Wainright in the pen, IMO,
is a bigger upgrade over what we have there than using him to replace Loop in the rotation.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on
Aug 6, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Give Motte a Shot
He is already on the 40 Man, Running out of options regardless. He is just been flat out dominant recently. Over his last ten appearances: 13.1 IP, 0 runs allowed, 27/3 K/BB
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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That's what I find frustrating
there are internal options right now which would make the pen better than it is. Yet, they’re still in Memphis and Frank/Izzy are still blowing leads and Villone is facing righties. Besides the use of McClellan as the high leverage guy, there has been some terrible mismanagment in the pen this year.
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
by Alxfritz on
Aug 6, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
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Wow
Is it possible that Motte might give the pen a lift, a la Josh Kinney in 2006?
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by TurdFerguson on
Aug 6, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
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I'd love to see him at some point.
He went through a rough patch for a week or so, but has righted himself and been pretty much lights out since.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Aug 6, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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His rough patch.....
Was for longer than a week. He’s been pretty solid for about a month now though.
by SoonerfanTU on
Aug 6, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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the concern w/ Motte, I think
is that he’s really just a one-pitch pitcher at this point. Granted, it’s a great pitch—98 mph fastball, but the organization’s concerned about his inability to have an effective second pitch. I’d like to see him get a shot as well, I just question his ability to be a savior until he is really able to harness that slider or develop a changeup.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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His Slider has been on recently
The simple answer though is the fact he is been striking 2 Guys out an inning recently and rarely walking anyone. He probably projects somewhere around Kyle Farnsworth. Your telling me you think Izturius could get a hit of Motte if he even knew that the high heat was coming at 98 mph?
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
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That is a bad example.....
As most teams only have one player of Izturis’ caliber, if any.
I’m not against Motte getting a chance this season. Would have liked to have waited until September, but we might not be able to wait that long. I just don’t think he is going to perform like some of you seem to think.
by SoonerfanTU on
Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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no, and maybe he'd be fine against lesser hitters
or maybe you’re right and his slider has progressed to the point where he could face anyone. I guess my point was that, if he was recalled, he wouldn’t be as good as he’s been b/c a lot of major leaguers can hit a great fastball if they know that’s what’s coming—not Izturis, though, unless he started swinging yesterday.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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we could still use him
to get guys out who are succeptible to the fastball
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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or is it susceptible?
yeah, that looks better
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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Thats my whole point
Some guys know the Fastball is coming and still can’t hit it. I am not sure he would do extremely well against the elite but to pitch an inning vs 789 I think he could handle
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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heck yeah
especially with a 98 mph fastball. or even just bring him in against one guy
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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A high strikeout guy
Is a great guy to come in with men on base. Has less of a chance of scoring a run cause no one is going to be able to hit it or they hit it hard. The fact he isn’t walking anyone while striking over 2K/ip is the reason I want to see what he has got so bad
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
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Rivera and Zumaya have shown that can be enough
Give him a chance. Franklin is showing that having 6 pitches doesn’t help much if the hitter can smack them all.
by DriverZn on
Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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Rivera Cutter is awesome
And Zumaya throws 2-4 MPH faster than Motte when he is on.
by Evilfrog on
Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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Rivera's
isn’t a true fastball like what Motte throws… It’s a cutter. Nobody’s 4-seam fastball is good enough to succeed on its own.
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Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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I don't even think of Motte as a savior
but I think he does deserve a chance. If we are okay with the Lopez signing( and I suppose I am…kinda) on the basis that 1) he cant be any worse than what we are running out now , and 2) he does have the potential to be an upgrade, then I would think we should give Motte the same chance based on those criteria.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
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Aug 6, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
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Granted I'm not intimately familiar
with with the talents of Felipe Lopez. But this sybermetric-driven “bad ballplayer” designation seems to come from the same sort of excessive bashing mentality that repeatedly awarded the same accolade to Aaron Miles until its silliness became obvious to just about everyone. Looking up the details on Lopez’s career, I discover the following. He’s only 28 years old. He was drafted in the first round (8th player chosen) in 1998. He’s been a major-league regular for several seasons, including one year in which he hit .291 with 23 homers for the Reds. Admittedly his offensive production hasn’t come close to that in recent years, but he’s still young and he’s been playing for some pretty bad teams. In addition to having some pop in his bat, he seems to be good for 20 or more steals every season. He thus offers the Cardinals a lot more versatility and a lot more offensive potential than Brendon Ryan. He provides at least a strong possibility of providing a significant upgrade to what has been a pretty feeble and undermanned bench. I like Brendon, but I have to agree with Tony that he isn’t getting enough playing time with the Cardinals and would be better served with regular time in Memphis.
I do agree with Houston Cardinal that the sooner Perez and Motte are recalled the better.
by Mike G on
Aug 6, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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It doesn't take a SABR membership to say he can't play defense
Or to notice that he has been in steady, progressive decline over the past three years. To the point that he was DFA’ed by the worst team in the major leagues.
(Caveat: I wanted us to sign John Patterson.)
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by taiko on
Aug 6, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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John Patterson is broken. They need to stop trying to catch lightening in a bottle.
I think we should concentrate on pitchers that are not broken-even if they were near stars before they broke. Chris Carpenter came back from the shoulder dead; now name me the others-maybe 5 of them had any real success.
Felipe Lopez had an attitude problem with the Nats too—he didn’t like that he lost his spot to the likes of Belliard and Guzman. Perhaps that won’t be a problem because he comes in with a different role here. But I don’t see this move much more than a lateral move, and I personally wouldn’t have made it.
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by jillsinmo on
Aug 6, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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I don't disagree
I’m not saying I want us to sign Patterson now, I’m just saying that I railed against the same argument that I just used, back when Patterson was DFA’ed by the worst team in the majors.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on
Aug 6, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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It wasn't me who said that Perez and Motte
should be recalled – though they certainly should. Particularly, Perez…stat! And it’s sabermetric, not sybermetric and an accolade is praise or an honor of distinction – doesn’t fit w/ your accusation of an "excessive bashing mentality."
And the "sybermetric, (sic) bad ballplayer designation" re: Lopez comes from his .308 and .305 OBPs the last year and a half, his OPS+’s of 75 and 64 and batting averages of .245 and .234. He’s been awful whether you’re using "sybermetric" measurements or traditional ones. Like fielding percentage? .957 at SS last year and .970 at 2B this year—terrible. He’s been awful. As I said earlier, he’s worth taking a shot on but it doesn’t take sabermetric or sybermetric analysis to figure out he’s been awful for the last year and two-thirds.
by chuckb on
Aug 6, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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It has gotten to the point now
that I have no idea how SABR and sabermetrics are even related anymore.
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
by Alxfritz on
Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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...aaron miles silliness?
you’re using aaron miles as an example in an attempt to tear down the SABR community because he is having a career year (after 6+ seasons) that brings him up to league average?
Stolen bases: This isn’t 1982, not only are stolen bases pretty much useless his 72% success rate in 07 actually hurts the team. I’m sorry…where do you get “pop” at? his SLG is atrocious and has been on the decline since his career year…and SLG isn’t a sabr stat.
Long story short they added another turd to the turd sandwich and douche MIF.
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by rocKStark5 on
Aug 6, 2008 11:54 AM EDT
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the detrement to the team
created by being caught stealing far outweighs the benefits gained by stealing the base. BP guys that are smarter than I have crunched these numbers. It’s actually pretty straightforward … I just don’t have access to the stats right here.
by jeff_abs on
Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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It all depends on the point in the game you're at
and whether you need one run or multiple runs. Tie game in the 9th, it makes sense to steal at a far lower percentage than the 73% figure that’s commonly cited.
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by Valatan on
Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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the argument that dismisses Lopez' recent offensive struggles
sounds a lot like the one advanced in favor of Iz2’s offensive potential to me. If the guy can’t play D then he better hit right away or get dumped.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Aug 6, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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The Choices
I pick up on the “options” logic noted in RB’s post. They all appear to be unappealing options re: Lopez, but they’re still options/available choices. Like an old feller once told me, “That’s the problem with choices, you have to make them. When you have none you take what you get and don’t think too much about it”. Point being, even if the “take what we get (had)” is preferable, there’s now a choice. It would take quite a performance to benefit from the Lopez option, but I like the fact it is available.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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Proposed new nickname for Izzy
“Old Yeller” – He’s been the best, most loyal closer we could have asked for for such a long time, doing whatever it takes (hip replacement surgery/fending off rabid animals) to save us. However, he’s become more of a detriment to us than a companion or helper, so we just need to get rid of him (release him, not take him behind the shed and shoot him)
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 11:54 AM EDT
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Izzy's Nickname
I still prefer what my friends and I called him in 2006 before being shut down – “Iffy”
by Robb on
Aug 6, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
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Okay. Now that made me laugh. Thank you.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Aug 6, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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"Iffy"
That requires some sort of doubt one way or the other. Is there any doubt anymore what the outcome will be when Old Yeller comes on in the 9th? At least a tie or trailing
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
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I guess that's the doubt
Will we be tied or trailing after he’s done?
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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True
But you have to admit – it has a great ring to it!
by Robb on
Aug 6, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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Oh definitely
It kind of writes itself, too
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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Seriously, we should riot if Izzy gets into another save situation.
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Aug 6, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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you mean "iswelosin'"?
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
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Aug 6, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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a little "vent"
To those (me and a bunch of others) who screamed back in May that Izzy was done, this has been ultra-frustrating. I cannot believe so many people still thought he could do the job. Hey, middle relief….fine, but closer…..no. He’s damaged goods, physically and mentally. Thank God Ludwig didn’t cost us another loss. Has everyone finally learned? Izzy not only killed us this season, but Franklin – comfortable and reliable in the setup role – had to switch and now he’s screwed up, too. All the while, management did nothing to help our team even when the Cubs got Harden and the Braves got Sabbathia and TLR was pleading for more talent. Many people here gave us old “we have to stand pat” BS. I have news for you: you stand pat all the time, you regress.
Mr. De Witt: go out and be aggressive in getting a great player or two in the off-season and spend a little more money before the Cubs and Mets become the Yankees and Red Sox of the NL, buying themselves a playoff spot each year…..and we’re left in the dust. We won’t have TLR & Duncan for too much longer, either. You want to return to the ‘90s and crappy teams?
Just venting!
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Aug 6, 2008 12:03 PM EDT
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Both Ways?
Both Ways?
I’m not sure that you can credibly complain about the Cardinals both not giving up young (re: cheap) talent for someone at the trade deadline and potentially not being able to compete with the Cubs in the near future because they will out-spend the Redbirds. The best way to offset a team trying to buy titles is to develop talent from within to leave the team with payroll room to fill in the cracks with free agents.
Short of converting Manny Ramirez into a 2nd baseman, I’m not personally sure what the Cardinals could have picked up to radically improve the team at the deadline anyway. Sure, relief help, but at what price?
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Aug 6, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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At what price?
I’d say most prices are pretty attractive, compared to doing nothing and continuing to lead the league in blown saves and losses and in the process, blowing a great shot at a division title or, at minimum, a wild card spot!
We can’t have this timid attitude. We need to be more aggressive….it’s a sad fact of life in most (not all) cases in pro sports.
by ccthemovieman on
Aug 6, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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I understand your sentiments
But GM’ing is kind of like baserunning in that what you want is aggression coupled w/ smarts. Otherwise we run the risk of becoming Ed Wade North.
by random on
Aug 6, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
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+1
When I heard that Colorado wanted Anderson PLUS one of our better pitching prospects for 2 months of Fuentes…..that kind of shows you what Mo was up against. From everything I’ve read, I really don’t mind that we didn’t get any moves done. I still think we’re good enough to make the playoffs as is (not saying we will, just that we can), and we set up to be able to do some things this offseason and next year. Now, if they sit pat next year, I may be a little upset.
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Aug 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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+1
I, too, believe that internal options are at least as good as the external ones and better when the price of prospects is factored into the equation. One of the most telling outcomes of the deadline is that for all of the relievers on the block and all the contenders shopping for a reliever, only one changed teams and that was Arthur Rhodes. It suggests that the sellers were asking far too much in price for their goods.
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by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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Exactly
Nobody was sending anybody anywhere, I just found out that Type B free agents don’t even need be offered arbitration to get the supplement pick
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
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really?
i thought if you wanted compensation picks you had to offer arbitration
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ust a pet peeve of mine
but who is Ludwig?
I suppose you could have been writing his name that way just for the humor. If so, both me and my little avatar here are laughing!
As for the rest of your comment, I wish I could disagree, but sadly I cannot. I will be greatly disappointed if there isn’t a serious upgrade to this team in the offseason.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
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Aug 6, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
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Mine too
Not so much on the blog since I think its just a typo, but it drives me nuts (aarrgh) everytime I hear an announcer say Ludwig. Is it really that hard to pronounce it correctly? I don’t really care when guys mispronounce names, but “ck” sounds nothing like “g”. It’s not like when someone mispronounces Schumaker by changing the sound the “a” makes, but to screw up the pronunciation of Ludwick for Ludwig is careless.
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by Tackle Box on
Aug 6, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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Sorry Guys
You can’t have an Albert playing every position like most of you expect. What is wrong with taking a chance on a guy for 4-6 weeks. See a washed up Edmonds in Chicago. There is something to be said about a guy switching teams and having a chance at post season play. Ryan needs to play more, Lopez not so much. If he helps us great if not we move on.
by llabyellov on
Aug 6, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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nothing wrong with taking a chance on a guy for 4-6
unless those 4-6 weeks are in august/september and you’re fighting for the divison/WC.
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Aug 6, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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Could he really be worst than Ryan
Cause if we just need a defensive sub we got Izturius and Kennedy. I mean Lopez at one time was projected to actually be able to hit a ball
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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Big Bird pitching
Here’s a take on the pitching. I think you all need to chill on Izzy. He’s definetly lost it as a lock down closer, but I think he can be effective in other situations – a least as effective as any probable replacement. I say bring up Perez and move him or McClellan to the closer roll. When Wainright comes back, he gets plugged into the rotation. If Carpenter is as effective as he seems to be, you now have a five man rotation – Wainright, Carpenter, Lohse, Wellemeyer and Garcia – that smokes, and you haven’t bounced your #1 starter back into the bullpen again. That worked once, and it might work again, but Wainright is more valuable going out there for 6-7 or 8 innings at a time. Move Looper to the pen, and you’ve got a reasonable staff. If McClellan or Perez don’t cut it, you’ve got Wellemeyer or Mollte.
That staff will get it done, given the offense that we seem to have found. And by the way, speaking of position players, the trade that everybody is getting their shorts in a bunch about – Lopez – may turn out to be a steal. He’s only 28 and was a remarkable middle infielder just a couple of years ago. In this clubhouse, with this team, he has way more potential upside than Ryan. This is not a bad team, enjoy it.
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Aug 6, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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I would just like to know in what situation he can be effective in
I have been rooting for Izzy to get it together and be the 2007 version, it did not happen. I can’t even recall him being very effective in other roles since he came back from the DL. Sure, he would look okay here and there, but there was just no consistency. Good consistency anyway.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
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Aug 6, 2008 6:40 PM EDT
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Piniero
I like how in everyone’s projections of what the rotation and/or bullpen will look like after Wainwright comes back they seemingly ignor the fact that Piniero has to be there somewhere. He is signed for next year and it seems that the Cards brass doesn’t understand the term “sunk cost.” I’d imagine the best case scenario is that Piniero goes to the pen and is seldom used, but they may leave him in the rotation because that is his spot for next year. It is near impossible to guess what Tony will do.
Anyways Piniero starts tonight and hopefully the pressure of potentially losing his rotation spot will give him the edge he needs to not blow several leads (afterall if he blows the leads what does that leave for the bullpen?).
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Aug 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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It leaves a 9-4 loss to the Richmond Braves
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
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+1 on the use of "sunk cost"
i always wonder… aren’t the folks in charge of baseball teams usually well educated, especially in economics and business? you’d think the concept of sunk cost would be applied more often. maybe i’m just overemphasizing a small number of bad decisions though.
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
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RE:Piniero
Geez, this rotation is so deep I forgot about Piniero. I’d project Wainright, Carpenter, Lohse, Wellemeyer and Piniero, with Garcia in the wings. I agree, Piniero should be given a long look.
by deweydell on
Aug 6, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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By the way, RB
Re: anime—The closest I come to anime is that I like Daft Punk, and have seen some of their music videos, which are like all anime
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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If you like Daft Punk
Check this out
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
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That's awesome
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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not all anime
check out the videos for revolution 909 and around the world
there are others I’m sure
by jeff_abs on
Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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Well all of the ones I've seen are
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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OT: On Anime
Seems like quite a few of you are interested in Anime. I am a huge Anime fans
I am always looking for some new Anime to watch, My favorite is the Ghost in the Shell series and Last Exile. Outside of baseball I love Anime second
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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Thats solid
The closest I got is a 4 foot tall painting I have of the laughing man
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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sometimes i just yell out "kanedaaaa!" to see if anybody replies with "tetsuoooo!"
ok, so maybe not really. i would say i’m a fan of anime, but i think it’s more accurate to say i’m a general geek who likes a lot of anime because it’s good. i dislike classifying anime as a genre in itself; there’s a surprising variety of genre within anime. lastly, there’s lots and lots of anime that is total crap, just as with movies and television in general. that said, i’d probably be just as excited to meet hayao miyazaki as i would albert pujols.
so do i win an award for geekiest post of the day now?
by mattybobo on
Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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I can take or leave most anime
but Miyazaki is a whole ‘nother story. Like Pujols, he’s head & shoulders above.
by random on
Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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Honestly, matty,
and I mean this as a sincere compliment, you already won the award for geekiest post of the day earlier, with you “OVAR 900” post. It was utterly perfect, and I would send you a badge if I knew where you were.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Aug 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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ever watch
the golden boy series? that cracked me up big time.
by jeff_abs on
Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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You would like Samurai Champloo than
I am always looking for some new Anime. I think I have seen about everything
by FlimtotheFlam on
Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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faves are Princess Mononoke, Ninja Scroll, Akira, Vampire Hunter D
etc. I’m an old school fan, don’t really get into it much after it got popular though. guess I’m a trendsetter
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 6, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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Good news on Dunc the Yunger
Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan, Chris’ father, described it as a complete success. The elder Duncan spoke to Riew following the procedure and called his son’s prognosis “the best news we could have hoped for.”
After 4 to 6 weeks of inactivity, 3 to 4 months of rehab, and he should be ready for Spring Training, according to the P-D. I’m glad for him. I was worried that his injury might end his career.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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That's great to hear
I hope he has a monsterous Spring training and we can trade one of these half dozen outfielders we have.
by Evilfrog on
Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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I'm assuming you are anticipating a trade to San Fran
I think it’s been posted on here that they are looking for a lefty bat at first base.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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Any chance
Riew can perform the same procedure on Larry Walker, too?
by liam on
Aug 6, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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i love me some classic larry walker
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on
Aug 6, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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that could be possiable
But I dont with his age/time off of the game a comeback would be worth it to Larry.
by Evilfrog on
Aug 6, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
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