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Game 115 Overflow II - When Bad Bullpens Go Really Bad

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I have nothing nice to say right now so I'll just say nothing at all.

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I am OK with the Green Light there.

Pujols is going to score on a basehit. There are more ways to score from third, but Glaus has to be a green light hitter for us.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

glaus leads qualified batters on this team by a wide margin in swinging at the fewest balls outside the strike zone according to fangraphs. he also leads the team by a fair margin in pitches per plate appearance. he even has a slightly higher career BB% than pujols, the #2 in O-SWING and BB%. for what little it’s worth i personally trust his eye, and would trust him to swing at 3-0 counts whenever he wants.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but

raconteur leads qualified posters in angry, vitriolic comments directed at players for failing at what he believes to be simple athletic tasks. you can’t argue with that.

"so if you can’t understand what someone else is saying why don’t you just shut up about it instead of being a jerk-off?"

by baw on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Indeed

I’m glad I’m not the only one that notices that.

by roebirds on Aug 6, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.

Sigh.

I don’t know what to do. I seriously don’t even know what to feel.

This is almost enough to make me want to stop watching the Cards play until my fellow VEB’ers tell me that the bullpen situation is at least partially rectified.

by mojowo11 on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just farted so loud

biscuits flew out of the oven!

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy should be thankful

Prince Fielder isn’t on his team.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I am..............

Trust me, it took all I have in me to not wish any physical harm to him or his family.

The way TLR has gotten on his knees to suck off Izzy over the years just adds to my hatred of the player.

I don’t need to hear about what type of a leader or a competitor a guy is. I just want results.

by Hard8 on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude,,,,,,,,

it’s just a game

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this stuff

is why i rarely come to game threads. and i think i speak for a lot of posters.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they pretty much are

I’m with erik. I drop in about once or twice a week, then wonder why i came.

by effin fisk on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad. I misread what you wrote.

Posts like that aren’t representative. But the mood of this thread is.

by effin fisk on Aug 6, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This thread is decisively negative, that's for sure

Unfortunately, that’s become quite commonplace this season, mostly because of all the bullpen implosions

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and regardless

a miniority of vulgar nonsense can just ruin things for others, even if it is just ten posts in a 400 post thread.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just hate to hear people say they wont come in during games

and if i hate it, how does Lboros feel? it’s his site they say they wont come to.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you also notice he's rarely around for them himself

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry - stupid fingers get in the way of typing

lboros has mentioned that he’s often poking around here – but doesn’t feel it would generally be appropriate for him to post during the game threads.

by TNTinCO on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree with you

it’s getting really out of hand, and I don’t know what the solution is at this point

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't speak for everyone

but my intention in saying something like this isn’t to be whiny. Its more like a cry for help. No one would be here if we didn’t love this team. But can’t we discuss it like adults? I’m not offended by the occasional F-bomb. But the negativity, tone and immaturity isn’t the exception anymore. It’s the norm.

I come here because I live 2,000 miles away from St. Louis, and I’m looking to connect w/ some fellow fans in a way that’s hard to do from so far away. Not to mention that the analysis is 2nd to none. We still love the site. Heck, erik & Val used to write regularly. Just asking that everyone keep a little perspective.

by effin fisk on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

completely agree with you

I feel like i’m watching the game with friends when I come here. Although my friends have about 1000 times less baseball knowledge than you guys – they also tend to be a little more optimistic.

by TNTinCO on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i couldn't agree more

won’t claim that i’m not the source of the occasional meaningless comment, but at least they’re harmless as well.

Rabid Redbird

by gthedamned on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's pretty fragile

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

there is some crazy stuff here…

but I would like to go out on a limb and say that a lot of the “negative” stuff here is simply jokes or slight good hearted jabs or stuff just to make others here laugh

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know he is only seven saves away from 300 right?

i guess you are right you have to be pretty bad to do that…

by 916baller on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izzy in the 9th

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i remember that

episode

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

I guess I’ll have to see how this thing ends manana, I gott go to bed.

Hopefully, heres to a W!

smack What the crap am I talkin about? I aint goin to bed til this is over!
Lets get a W!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I find it hard to believe

that there were no deals to be made at the deadline to fix the pen.

by BamaCardinal on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There were no closers available for a reasonable price

blaming Mo is pointless.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at some point a reasonable closer

becomes worth an unreasonable price

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

not when this team still has an inconsistent offense and a shitty rest of the bullpen besides the closer.

not worth giving up top prospects to put a bandaid over a bullet wound.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except for Pujols

and Wainwright (who was really a Braves farmhand), when is the last time a Cardinal prospect delivered? Giving up prospects is like giving up lottery tickets.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on

How about Dan Haren? He was a Cardinals farmhand. This is the best our farm has looked in a long time. Give me a break.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

k-mac....

ryan ludwick, rick ankiel, yadier molinda…

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will give you Molina

Ludwick was a journeyman in various team’s systems, too early to say on k-mac, and it took 7 years to get a return on Ankiel. Haren is the only other prospect I can think of who we developed and unfortunately traded.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im gonna get shelled for this

but the Cards prospect that I think of delivering just signed an extension with the DBacks. Other than that, I think of Matty Mo.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

molina, haren Kmac, Ank (the second time ;-))

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is guys and this is obviously just my opinion

but I think that we have the guys we need within our own system to get the job done in the bullpen. The bigger problem is who Tony keeps on trying to rely on to close the games. It is not working so why are you trying the same thing over and over again. We keep on complaining about how bad our closers are but then just put the same guys out on the mound and when they fail again we say we got a big problem. It is insane how many times are we gonna have to blow games with izzy and franklin before we try something else. there are other guys in the bullpen and I am not suggesting that we use flores or villone here but how about Kyle McClellan and on occasion when the other team is especially strong with right handed batters why do we not throw Russ Springer out there. Their are other options in our bullpen that tony just does not explore and to me that is a sign of bad management and stubbornness

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 6, 2008 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how you fix it.

The closer is the problem and we were not going to pay for a closer.

That said, a different lefty reliever perhaps doesn’t give up the AJ homerun.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is NO WAY

TLR Can defend izzy tonight.

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He will

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then he will get burned in the media tomorrow.

The media has to jump all over him and Mo tomorrow.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are aware the STL media is scarred of Tony right?

they probably wont do any thing

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so?

that doesn’t accomplish anything

and besides, the media in St. Louis is a lap dog for the Cardinals organization.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why didn't the offense score more runs??????

[/TLR postgame]

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna need a cig after this game

whether we win or lose

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I don’t even smoke

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm about to start back up

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perez or Motte

no reason not to give someone a chance (other than Waino)

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bueller? Bueller?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mo

I don’t blame mo for not making a trade, only 1 lefty was traded at the deadline because every team that had a lefty relief pitcher was asking way to much for a 2 month fix

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy or Jiminez?

which is the lesser of 2 evils right now?

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trick question

Roosters don’t lay eggs!!

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which came first?

izzy or the blown save?

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh man

both are complete crap

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 straight sliders to Kemp

I hate it when they throw the same pitch over and over

it seems like we always get burned that way

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah

They’re worth like 20 million or so.

by rencelas on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2003's bullpen was bad

But I would see better going and watching the AA Huntsville Stars’ bullpen right now

Maybe that’s a little much, but Jesus H. Christ, this is a new level of suck

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2003 BP > 2008 BP

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone ever heard of addition by subtraction?

I wouldn’t mind someone explaining it to Izzy and Vilone

Franklin’s about to make the same list

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is it possible to be in the playoff hunt

and have 5 or 6 guys who don’t belong in the majors on your roster?

by vances law on Aug 6, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tony looks pissed

when he went out to the mound

by 916baller on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

this assumption he goes by that says all relievers are basically equal and we can go back and forth with no loss of effectiveness is just bs

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is just sickening....something needs to be done

the fans are paying way too much money on tickets for this garbage to continue.

by KYCards on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if we had a competent bullpen

we’d be way out over the cubs in first right now, easily the best record in baseball.

bullpens are never a “strength” of a baseball team.

The only thing bullpens can be in baseball are not being weaknesses.

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure I agree with that

We’d be better, but I can’t say we’d have the best record in baseball. Too many other holes (other than bullpen)

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say

Relief pitchers are starting pitchers that never made it…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really

he might have actually had a chance to go to 1b on that, in addition to the horrible swing

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Runner was not moving to 2nd base

by saladdays on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR finally makes a good call

and franklin will probably just walk the next guy

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it’s been a while since we had an ole fashioned walk home the winning run

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll call it

Walk with bases juiced forces in go ahead run.

by Harknights on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

id walk manny

here so I agree. Loney is a good hitter but I just couldnt let manny beat us.

so why is he being booed so much?

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

now with loney coming up

do we bring in fuentes?

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This game has literally made me ill

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This just in:

Brett Favre just ate a midnight snack.

by madeintaiwan on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What?!?

what channel?

It’s not on the Brett Favre 24-hour news channel.

by Harknights on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i stopped watching FarveCenter weeks ago

i just can’t take it anymore

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They probably will

have a 24-hour Brett Favre news channel, but for now we just have ESPN

by madeintaiwan on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Favre

is the greatest quarterback in the history of football… Dont you dare say something against him ;)

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know the state of affairs has gotten out of control

i went over to my girlfriend’s house last week, and her dad updated me on brett favre information. that’s when you know it’s jumped the shark

Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.

by KerouacCardinal on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets start a petition for

dewitt to shell out the money on k-rod in the offseason!

by 916baller on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

id settle for Fuentes

not as much money and less of an injury risk. many people think KROD is a huge injury guy

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want either.

I just want them to try Perez first.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok but...

let unify and petition for full el birdos force! haha

by 916baller on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

id agree

but after this year having a guy we KNOW can close is just so important. Ideally Id like Perez to be that guy but if he fails…its this year in the pen all over again.

if we had a closer I think we would be in 1st, jmo of course

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this game makes me need comfort food...

Off to White Castle!!!!

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

watch out for the cheetah

.....dude, forget about the cheetah

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

hopefully NPH doesn’t steal my car

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Aug 6, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon.

Insult to injury there, eh?

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'll be OK & able to play again

i’m hopeful he gets his strenght back & gets back to mashing HRs

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and running threw walls

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exhale

Still tied

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice running catch Bombs

Frank owes you a drink

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

joey glove!

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Aaaaalright...

...let’s end this, Yadi.

by vexedtechie on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

really for all their faults

they are still a very entertaining and likeable team.

They dont quit either, they just arnt very talented in the pen

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what she said

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just realized thats 2 days in a row

if we could just get a clutch hit in the 9th we would have won both games walk-off style.

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with the bottom of the order coming up

we probably have to ulcer our way through at least one more inning

by vances law on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so did frank

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

but mine was more of a brick

by BirdsonFire on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch yadi's reaction

watch the replay of Looney’s trickler down the line in the 9th inning. Yadi’s reaction says it all.

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how to fix the pen -hopefully

let McCellan close for now.
DL Izzy and Franklin with some made up malady.
Call up Motte and Perez and let them work the latter innings along with Russ Springer.
Use only Villone as a one out lefty.

This ain’t that hard. If it doesn’t work, then at least you tried something with kids who are hungry. Not languishing vets.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ummm...

have you met our manager and pitching coach…they are named tony larussa and dave duncan

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Simple.

But, you don’t have LaRussa’ s genius. You don’t understand that simplicity is complexity and complexity is simplicity.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

easier said than done

but i agree with every thing you say

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it worth it

if those young guys aren’t ready for the major yet though? not saying its a bad idea just curious on your thoughts about that

by 916baller on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

their #'s say they are ready

how could they be worse?

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Aug 6, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only question is Motte.

Perez is ready. K-Mac is ready to close.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is part heat-of-the-moment anger, and part of all season,

but when does Tony get fired?

You do NOT put a guy in to blow games over and over and over and over and over just to get a stupid statistic. How many games would we have won if we didn’t have Izzy chasing a big round number?

by craig3410 on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

does 27 blown saves

answer the question?

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles seems like a waste

Iz2 is not driving a guy in from 1st.

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

does anyone else think

the guys in the booth are just disgusted

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www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sound more shell shocked than anything

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think it was dan

was POed about the pen

then made a sarcastic comment about Mather only being 160 feet shy on that one

i was like, “ouch”

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www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shannon and Rooney

sound busted and disgusted.

And yes, I coined that phrase busted and disgusted when I lived in Canada. We did a lot of crazy stuff. In Canada.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best possible out come of this mess tonight

Mather hits one out in in a minute and we get the win. And we wake up tomorrow to find out McClellan is the new closer. I don’t mind sitting through this shit if it means Izzy is OUT!

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 6, 2008 12:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy? Out?

but it’d make him sad to not get 300!

by craig3410 on Aug 6, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

we don’t want to see izzy cry now do we? lol

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and more grit

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mini Me

is pure grit

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you think that Carp is still watching this one?

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I saw a shot of the dugout

and you could see Carp vomiting in the corner

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's getting drunk with shannon

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there you go aaron

this lil guy has really done well this year

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www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The green light for Glaus

on 3/0 tells me there will be change. Only because its now a public relations disaster. Everyone is culpable. It would be better for the team if they lost, just to expose the farce further. The sad thing is they’re going to make Garcia the fall guy.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Garcia??

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia will pitch

until the game is over…

by Yellow Dog on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand how Glaus swinging on 3-0 is a public relations disaster. Explain?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LaRusa had to call it.

The was a terrible baseball move. Terrible signal to team and Yadi. Tony showing desperation. Everyone looks bad, especially the “Stand Pater’s”. If you think Glaus is a situation bat, you join them.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Aug 6, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glaus swinging 3/0 was

obviously the Bush administration’s fault

by saladdays on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

someones gotta say it

Glaus doesnt give a damn about black people

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www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay Miles, a slow singles hitter.

least productive .317 hitter ever?

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just don't get the miles bashing

anyone who watches the games can see how important he is

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's reasonably important

better than a productive .250 singles hitter

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be so

But I would rather see him up in the late innings than most of the guys on our roster.

by tangledbrett on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw this.

For a recommendation of what to do instead of taking years off your life by watching this bullpen, try MLB Power Pros 08.

by craig3410 on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

loved the rpg mode in last year’s ps2 release – looking forward to picking up the new one for the nintendo ds very soon!

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's better than last year.

You’ve basically got a sucess mode for your whole major-league career.

by craig3410 on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i read about it. looks great!

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Iz2 can walk on 4 pitchouts ;-)

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know, Grit should be our closer

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hail Caesar!

and Miles to 3rd

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

move those little legs!!!!!

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anywhere we can see who cleared waivers?

I’d take Jarrod Washburn as a closer at this point.

by craig3410 on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you jeff kent

alright SKIPPY, time for some more magic

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Skip

Do your walkoff thing

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please!

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

passed ball please

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Passed ball, wild pitch, I'll take anything

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bad exchange rate on the peso for skip

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will the team even celebrate if we win?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow...here we are again

a single wins it. third times a charm?

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn :'(

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Walk Skip to pitch to Kennedy?

Torre had to think about it at least for a second.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap, Sasme old same old

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey, side question

what would gameday look like if a bird flew in and got nailed by the ball ala randy johnson?

by BirdsonFire on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes,

but would there be a bird track, like there is a ball track?

by BirdsonFire on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's part of the ball track data

But Josh Kalk has an algorithm that handles it.

by random on Aug 6, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.

by Power Slurve on Aug 6, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

that would throw ppl off…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

register it as "no pitch"

seriously

Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.

by KerouacCardinal on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vertical break: -50 degrees

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if Garcia can get us through one more

I like our chances with Pujols and Ludwick coming up.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SO MANY CHANCES

this is getting really old….can someone get a hit when it counts!

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Going to bed, not gonna be groggy all day tomorrow because of Izzy

Go Cards, surprise me while I dream of an effective bullpen

by riotmute on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good night

hope your dreams come true…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on Aug 6, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont forget to make sure he can hit as well as he can field

oh & a 2nd baseman with the same skillz

sweet dreams

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

if the team wins and comes out to celebrate the win, i bet you izzy will NOT be on the field to celebrate.

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is Garcia in?

I was expecting miles. I want my money back.

by madeintaiwan on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jaime

is a very shiny man

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It looks like someone rubbed him down with oil.

Hope not. If he is thrown out of the game, Miles will have to pitch.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

saddly ive missed every game (or inning for games ive seen)

where Miles pitched

it makes me a sad panda

Chris got an out!

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www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i saw miles pitch in person

at RFK. it made me a happy panda

Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.

by KerouacCardinal on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about lee smith? how quickly can he get in shape?

If farve can unretire, couldn’t we bring back big lee to help the bullpen?

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy's hitting 95

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not the speed it's the (lack of) motion

that makes all of Izzys pitches look like watermelons coming to the plate

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is weird

because it looked like he had decent motion against the fist couple of batters, and then it collapesed. Izzy’s problems are mental. I dont’ know what’s going on

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"no glaring holes" - Mo

Put that in your bullpen and blow it.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Torre is a good manager

How did he get so great after leaving St. Louis?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A $200M Payroll Would Make A Lot Of Guys

Managing in the majors look like a genius.

by tommyguniii on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because he joined the yankees

at the right time hank steinbrenner decided to throw as much money as he wanted to buy up all the talent in the 90s.

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

george*

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually he joined a dynasty built by Stick Mitchell

That team was built when Steinbrenner’s worthless carcass was banned from the game. And they haven’t won since that core started to fracture.

Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.

by Power Slurve on Aug 6, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still just flabberghasted (sp?) at the 9th inning

Our pitches gave up 4 singles and 1 walk in the first 8 innings. The Dodgers aren’t a great-hitting team. It’s so frustrating!

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ask russ

he ate the whole bucket

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with out bullpen?

extra crispy

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

out = our

i was watching the play Iz2 made while typing

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fried chicken sounds absolutely delicious right now

Of course, when doesn’t it?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes it does

anyone know an all night chicken place in STL? ;-)

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www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just go to..

White Castle’s… they have those delicious chicken rings… mmmm

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Aug 6, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but the last two times

whiteys managed to ruin their delicious bergers

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by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

get the chicken rings!!!!!!!!!!

but not the flavored ones… yuck

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Aug 6, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what those are

But they couldn’t top a Popeye’s/Mrs. Winner’s/hell, even KFC leg & thigh

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Charlie Chicken is gone

And the new king has not been found. The people still mourn.

by random on Aug 6, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

george likes his spicy chicken

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about the cooler cart

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After garcia, Springer, tehn Miles or Looper

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

aaron kilometers?

by adiueordie on Aug 6, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's wrong with springer?

Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.

by KerouacCardinal on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's been used in three games straight going into the off day

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder how many innings garcia could go?

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Until the game is over

I think Garcia is in there until the game is over, for better or worse.

by Yellow Dog on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he's a starter

He could go awhile theoretically

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So…can we vote Izzy off the island now? D.GOOCH (I could have swore we put out his tribal torch earlier in the year…)

-- GOOCH

by GOOCH24 on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gooch!

Been a while. Hope you haven’t been hanging out w/ Cubs fans or otherwise getting in trouble.

by random on Aug 6, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks! No, just working on a dissertation. ;) D.GOOCH

-- GOOCH

by GOOCH24 on Aug 6, 2008 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClellan the 9th...

Franklin the 8th, Thompson the 7th and Piniero to long relief when Wainer comes back?

by coopdeville on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather leave thompson where he is

and use Looper in the 9th or 8th

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with our roster?

yes. A decent setup guy is more important than a #5 starter

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I see your point, guess I feel like Franklin is okay for the 8th, though. Either way I can’t see Wainer in the pen unless his health can’t support 6 innings+

by coopdeville on Aug 6, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That second pitch to Wade

was way too good a pitch to waste throwing to a pitcher.

by StanTheManFan on