Game 115 Overflow II - When Bad Bullpens Go Really Bad

Thanks for swinging 3-0 Troy, really, you are AWESOME

what a freaking joke.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT 0 recs

I am OK with the Green Light there.

Pujols is going to score on a basehit. There are more ways to score from third, but Glaus has to be a green light hitter for us.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up 0 recs

Sorry, but with Molina on deck, Troy should be taking there

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up 0 recs

glaus leads qualified batters on this team by a wide margin in swinging at the fewest balls outside the strike zone according to fangraphs. he also leads the team by a fair margin in pitches per plate appearance. he even has a slightly higher career BB% than pujols, the #2 in O-SWING and BB%. for what little it’s worth i personally trust his eye, and would trust him to swing at 3-0 counts whenever he wants.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up 0 recs

yeah, but

raconteur leads qualified posters in angry, vitriolic comments directed at players for failing at what he believes to be simple athletic tasks. you can’t argue with that.

"so if you can’t understand what someone else is saying why don’t you just shut up about it instead of being a jerk-off?"

by baw on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 AM EDT up 1 recs

Indeed

I’m glad I’m not the only one that notices that.

by roebirds on Aug 6, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

great

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT 0 recs

JTFC...

...

by vexedtechie on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT 0 recs

Sigh.

I don’t know what to do. I seriously don’t even know what to feel.

This is almost enough to make me want to stop watching the Cards play until my fellow VEB’ers tell me that the bullpen situation is at least partially rectified.

by mojowo11 on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT 0 recs

I just farted so loud

biscuits flew out of the oven!

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT 0 recs

Izzy should be thankful

Prince Fielder isn’t on his team.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT 0 recs

Good Stuff.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up 0 recs

Franklin gets pulled w/ runners on 1st and 2nd

mark it down.

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM EDT 0 recs

the pen is gonna be effing tight tonight

TLR started that reliever parade early and fast.

by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up 0 recs

rain delay

biting us in the ass.

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up 0 recs

Hard8 seens really pissed

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2008/8/6/587674/this-just-in-isringhausen

by madeintaiwan on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT 0 recs

Yes, I am..............

Trust me, it took all I have in me to not wish any physical harm to him or his family.

The way TLR has gotten on his knees to suck off Izzy over the years just adds to my hatred of the player.

I don’t need to hear about what type of a leader or a competitor a guy is. I just want results.

by Hard8 on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

dude,,,,,,,,

it’s just a game

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

I hope you enjoy your last posts on that account

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up 0 recs

this stuff

is why i rarely come to game threads. and i think i speak for a lot of posters.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up 0 recs

posts like his are not a correct representation for the majority of quality posts in the game thread

this i promise you

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up 0 recs

Yeah, they pretty much are

I’m with erik. I drop in about once or twice a week, then wonder why i came.

by effin fisk on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up 0 recs

My bad. I misread what you wrote.

Posts like that aren’t representative. But the mood of this thread is.

by effin fisk on Aug 6, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up 0 recs

This thread is decisively negative, that's for sure

Unfortunately, that’s become quite commonplace this season, mostly because of all the bullpen implosions

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up 0 recs

and regardless

a miniority of vulgar nonsense can just ruin things for others, even if it is just ten posts in a 400 post thread.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up 0 recs

i just hate to hear people say they wont come in during games

and if i hate it, how does Lboros feel? it’s his site they say they wont come to.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up 0 recs

But you also notice he's rarely around for them himself

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up 0 recs

he

by TNTinCO on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up 0 recs

sorry - stupid fingers get in the way of typing

lboros has mentioned that he’s often poking around here – but doesn’t feel it would generally be appropriate for him to post during the game threads.

by TNTinCO on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up 0 recs

I completely agree with you

it’s getting really out of hand, and I don’t know what the solution is at this point

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up 0 recs

I can't speak for everyone

but my intention in saying something like this isn’t to be whiny. Its more like a cry for help. No one would be here if we didn’t love this team. But can’t we discuss it like adults? I’m not offended by the occasional F-bomb. But the negativity, tone and immaturity isn’t the exception anymore. It’s the norm.

I come here because I live 2,000 miles away from St. Louis, and I’m looking to connect w/ some fellow fans in a way that’s hard to do from so far away. Not to mention that the analysis is 2nd to none. We still love the site. Heck, erik & Val used to write regularly. Just asking that everyone keep a little perspective.

by effin fisk on Aug 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up 0 recs

completely agree with you

I feel like i’m watching the game with friends when I come here. Although my friends have about 1000 times less baseball knowledge than you guys – they also tend to be a little more optimistic.

by TNTinCO on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up 0 recs

i couldn't agree more

won’t claim that i’m not the source of the occasional meaningless comment, but at least they’re harmless as well.

Rabid Redbird

by gthedamned on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up 0 recs

that's pretty fragile

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up 0 recs

But it is still why many don't like coming on here

by saladdays on Aug 6, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up 0 recs

yeah

there is some crazy stuff here…

but I would like to go out on a limb and say that a lot of the “negative” stuff here is simply jokes or slight good hearted jabs or stuff just to make others here laugh

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up 0 recs

you know he is only seven saves away from 300 right?

i guess you are right you have to be pretty bad to do that…

by 916baller on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up 0 recs

Izzy in the 9th

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT 0 recs

i remember that

episode

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

Well,

I guess I’ll have to see how this thing ends manana, I gott go to bed.

Hopefully, heres to a W!

smack What the crap am I talkin about? I aint goin to bed til this is over!
Lets get a W!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 6, 2008 12:04 AM EDT 0 recs

I find it hard to believe

that there were no deals to be made at the deadline to fix the pen.

by BamaCardinal on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT 0 recs

There were no closers available for a reasonable price

blaming Mo is pointless.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up 0 recs

at some point a reasonable closer

becomes worth an unreasonable price

by TheBirds on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

nope

not when this team still has an inconsistent offense and a shitty rest of the bullpen besides the closer.

not worth giving up top prospects to put a bandaid over a bullet wound.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up 0 recs

Except for Pujols

and Wainwright (who was really a Braves farmhand), when is the last time a Cardinal prospect delivered? Giving up prospects is like giving up lottery tickets.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up 0 recs

Oh come on

How about Dan Haren? He was a Cardinals farmhand. This is the best our farm has looked in a long time. Give me a break.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up 0 recs

k-mac....

ryan ludwick, rick ankiel, yadier molinda…

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up 0 recs

I will give you Molina

Ludwick was a journeyman in various team’s systems, too early to say on k-mac, and it took 7 years to get a return on Ankiel. Haren is the only other prospect I can think of who we developed and unfortunately traded.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up 0 recs

Im gonna get shelled for this

but the Cards prospect that I think of delivering just signed an extension with the DBacks. Other than that, I think of Matty Mo.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up 0 recs

molina, haren Kmac, Ank (the second time ;-))

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up 0 recs

I guess you don't keep up on the minors very much...

by saladdays on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up 0 recs

The thing is guys and this is obviously just my opinion

but I think that we have the guys we need within our own system to get the job done in the bullpen. The bigger problem is who Tony keeps on trying to rely on to close the games. It is not working so why are you trying the same thing over and over again. We keep on complaining about how bad our closers are but then just put the same guys out on the mound and when they fail again we say we got a big problem. It is insane how many times are we gonna have to blow games with izzy and franklin before we try something else. there are other guys in the bullpen and I am not suggesting that we use flores or villone here but how about Kyle McClellan and on occasion when the other team is especially strong with right handed batters why do we not throw Russ Springer out there. Their are other options in our bullpen that tony just does not explore and to me that is a sign of bad management and stubbornness

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 6, 2008 4:45 AM EDT up 0 recs

I don't know how you fix it.

The closer is the problem and we were not going to pay for a closer.

That said, a different lefty reliever perhaps doesn’t give up the AJ homerun.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

There is NO WAY

TLR Can defend izzy tonight.

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT 0 recs

He will

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up 0 recs

Yep & Izzy WILL be back

mark it down

by buzzburton33 on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

Then he will get burned in the media tomorrow.

The media has to jump all over him and Mo tomorrow.

by Egyptian on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

you are aware the STL media is scarred of Tony right?

they probably wont do any thing

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up 0 recs

so?

that doesn’t accomplish anything

and besides, the media in St. Louis is a lap dog for the Cardinals organization.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up 0 recs

Why didn't the offense score more runs??????

[/TLR postgame]

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

I'm gonna need a cig after this game

whether we win or lose

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT 0 recs

Me too

I don’t even smoke

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

i'm about to start back up

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up 0 recs

They have to call up Perez to try out the 9th eventually

right?

by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2008 12:06 AM EDT 0 recs

Perez or Motte

no reason not to give someone a chance (other than Waino)

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

Bueller? Bueller?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

Mo

I don’t blame mo for not making a trade, only 1 lefty was traded at the deadline because every team that had a lefty relief pitcher was asking way to much for a 2 month fix

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT 0 recs