the mvp candidates
cubs lost; brewers lost; cards didn’t lose. life is good.
pujols is 0 for his last 13 or something, so it’s probably the wrong time to ask this question, but i’ll do it anyway: does he have a shot at the winning the mvp award? it’s a question that comes up annually; even last year, his weakest since 2001, he had a strong case. as AZ noted a couple of weeks ago, pujols is so consistently awesome that it’s easy to take it for granted, and that probably costs albert votes; the mvp usually goes to a great player whose greatness spikes one year, but pujols’ spikes every year, which dulls the effect. i honestly believe he’s one of the most underrated players in the game.
ok; so is he the 2008 mvp? he’s got to be a candidate. the team is doing well, and so is he: 2d in the league in obp, 3d in slugging and batting avg, 2d in ops. he’s also way up there in sabr categories such as VORP (2nd), win shares (4th), and WPA (3rd). he’s got unimpressive counting stats this year, which will hurt him --- mvp voters like counting stats, witness their fondness for jimmy rollins last year. albert is not in the top 10 in homers, rbis, runs, or total bases, and this alone might cost him the award. however, most of the counting-stats leaders this year have glaring holes in their game. the two league leaders in homers (dunn and howard) are both hitting south of .250; the top rbi men are howard (low batting average) and carlos lee (plays in a small market for a bad team). another oddity this year: nobody on the best team in the league, the cubs, is having an mvp-type year. well, actually there’s one --- alfonso soriano --- but he’s been out of the lineup so much he probably won’t win the award. incredibly, only one cub player currently ranks among the top 10 in avg, obp, or slugging --- ryan theriot (he’s 6th in avg and 10th in obp). they have nobody in the top 10 in homers, and only 1 on the rbi leaderboard ---- aramis ramirez, who ranks 10th.
so it’s a wide-open field, and albert is definitely in the running. let’s compare him to his main competition and see how it shapes up. [update: it turns out derrick goold did a very similar exercise yesterday at Birdland; didn't see it until somebody posted a link in the comments to this thread. read my take, then head over to derrick's site to read his.]
to my eye, his main competitors for the award would appear to be lance berkman, chipper jones (who, like soriano, will lose votes due to lack of playing time), ryan braun, chase utley, and ryan ludwick. (yes, ryan ludwick --- keep reading.) lesser contenders would seem to be ryan howard (lots of hrs), david wright (plays in new york, has piled up a lot of rbis), and matt holliday (gaudy numbers, albeit park-inflated). there are no pitchers who merit serious consideration for the award. these are not necessarily players i would vote for myself, but they’re players who i think will be popular among the actual voters, the members of the bbwaa --- an electorate that tends to be as fickle (and, at times, illogical) as the one that chooses public officeholders. there’s no consistent set of criteria; they change from year to year, which also tends to work against pujols (whose excellence is almost unvarying).
likewise, in the discussion that follows i am not attempting to determine which player actually is the most valuable in any objective sense; indeed, i don’t buy into the premise (widely held among many people who share my love of sabermetrics) that it’s possible to arrive at an objective conclusion. thanks to sabermetrics, we can calculate players’ value with far more precision than we used to, but the degree of precision is still short of 100 percent. it’s still an eye-of-the-beholder award, and i’m comfortable with that. my goal here today is to gauge how "mvp"ish these guys might look to voters’ eyes.
let’s start where the voters generally do, with the traditional stat categories. the chart below lists the top contenders’ totals and (in parentheses) nl ranks, through sunday:
| hr | rbi | runs | avg | obp | slg | |
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| pujols | 21 (19) | 67 (19) | 65 (26) | .344 (3) | .454 (2) | .597 (3) |
| berkman | 22 (15) | 76 (9) | 88 (1) | .337 (4) | .438 (3) | .609 (2) |
| braun | 29 (3) | 82 (5) | 61 (32) | .296 (18) | .335 (55) | .581 (6) |
| utley | 28 (4) | 77 (8) | 77 (5) | .290 (24) | .371 (25) | .574 (8) |
| chipper | 18 (29) | 55 (39) | 58 (37) | .369 (1) | .466 (1) | .596(4) |
| ludwick | 27 (6) | 78 (7) | 75 (7) | .306 (11) | .384 (13) | .614 (1) |
to the extent that the voters consider league leaderboards, utley and berkman would seem to present the best arguments. each ranks in the top 10 in both counting and rate categories, with berkman lodged in the top 5 in both types. however, ludwick isn’t far behind them; he currently leads the league in one major category (slugging) and is likely to surpass some key mvp-like thresholds (.300 average, 30 homers, 100 rbis). braun is just 4 batting-average points shy of doing the same. albert’s poor standing on the rbi chart is highly context-dependent ---- teams pitch around him (denying him rbis) --- and voters tend to get that; they voted bonds the mvp several times despite so-so rbi totals. but a low home-run total will be held against albert. if he piles up 15 or so in the final 48 games and can get himself into the league’s top 10, it’ll make his resume look a lot more attractive to the voters.
now let’s take a look at some of the sabr categories, which are gaining some traction among the voters as they become more widely understood:
| VORP | EQA | WS | WPA | RC | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| pujols | 57.5 (2) | .363 (1) | 19 (4) | 4.51 (3) | 100 (3) |
| berkman | 63.0 (1) | .348 (3) | 24 (1) | 5.30 (1) | 107 (1) |
| braun | 39.3 (11) | .304 (20) | 17 (T8) | 2.64 (8) | 87 (T9) |
| utley | 46.3 (7) | .316 (11) | 18 (7) | 1.03 (34) | 95 (4) |
| chipper | 55.8 (3) | .358 (2) | 17 (T8) | 2.63 (9) | 91 (6) |
| ludwick | 37.7 (8) | .334 (5) | 15 (T19) | 1.79 (21) | 87 (T9) |
this is where albert shines --- but lance berkman outshines him, leading the league in VORP, win shares, WPA, and runs created. his margins over pujols are fairly slim, and they owe much to albert’s trip to the DL, but berkman's still ahead, and that's what counts. couple that with lance's good showing in the traditional categories, and you’ve got the current leader in the race imho; he is the very best, or one of the best, hitters in the league via a broad range of measurements, both old school and new school. you get the sense that this might be his year; he’s a perennial candidate who is having one of his best seasons ever and pacing the field in some of the pivotal categories.
ludwick acquits himself very well in this table --- top 10 in 3 of the 5 sabr categories listed. he’s at least as serious a candidate as braun, and that’s without even taking defense into account. indeed, the whole exercise has elided defense, which is a major exclusion. i’m not gonna go there because i don’t have the time, and because there are still 50 games to go in the season. and, as i said at the outset, i’m not attempting to measure the mvp in any objective sense, just to eyeball the race and see where things stand. utley and pujols will gain points among anyone who factors defense into the equation, but most voters ignore defense. if you do count the glove, then albert probably makes up more than enough runs to trump berkman in terms of raw value. to the extent that we can derive an objective measure that accounts for everything, then albert probably has been more valuable than any other player in the league so far this year --- ie, he’s probably been worth more runs to his team than anyone else.
but that’s not how they pick the award. if he wants to win it this year, he's got plenty of work left to do.
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Berkman
Berkman is definitely the most deserving hitter in my opinion, by keep in mind that the voters usually want a guy on a playoff team—Houston seems like a pretty distant longshot to make the playoffs. So in that sense, Pujols may have a leg up on the Lumberjack/Puma.
by mojowo11 on Aug 5, 2008 9:48 AM EDT 0 recs
Not lately
They haven’t chose people on playoff teams lately. Only 1/2 of the NL MVPs this decade have been from playoff teams. (Didn’t look up AL, since that’s not the topic of discussion.)
by stlfan on
Aug 5, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
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but were they from teams with sub-.500 records when there are other deserving candidates?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 5, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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sub .500
the only player to receive the MVP award, while playing for a sub .500 team was Andre Dawson for the Expos (this is purely from memory, and it may be jacked up).
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Aug 5, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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Dawson
won it while playing for the Cubs in 1987—a year in which they finished DEAD LAST and 18.5 games behind the Cardinals, who had two MVP candidates that year (Ozzie and Jack Clark) who stole votes from each other which led to Dawson winning it on a last place club. Clark should have been a shoo-in that year, since he was the only player in the NL to post an OPS over 1.000 and played for the best team in the league that season.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 5, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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Berkman's really cooled down since the ASG
.250/.304/.382 w/ no homers. Looks tired. Props to Berkman for pointing out that the umps put the crowd at risk during the lightning storm last night.
by random on
Aug 5, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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I liked his quote about it just makes sense not to stand around during a lightning storm
more thunder and lightning here in chicago last night than you could imagine! thanks for the post asb berkman info
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 5, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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Weather
I heard a rumor that the tornado wasn’t really a tornado, but a vortex caused by a century of sucking in the Wrigley Field area. Can anyone verify?
by Robb on
Aug 5, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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ouch
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on
Aug 5, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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Ba-zing!
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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mvp
I always know al is in the race, but had no idea about ludwick. I knew he was playing out of his head baseball but he has to be in the discussion.
I knew most saw the brew crew throw down. Ned Yost’s commets were just plain creepy. His neighbor fighting comment, just had me shaking my head. after the sweep they have lost 7 of their last 9. It looks to me like they are hitting their late season swoon again. I believe the wild card chances have just went up.
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
by elirock83 on Aug 5, 2008 9:50 AM EDT 0 recs
yeah
what a weird thing to have happen, and a few guys were saying that behavior was normal for the team! wtf?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 5, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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Fielder's "apology" was pretty weak
link to AP article on ESPN.com
Not classy, IMO. Hope he grows out of it.
by random on
Aug 5, 2008 6:23 PM EDT
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Nice post, lboros
It’s hard to believe that we can say Pujols and underated in the same sentence, but you would be correct.
Go Cards!
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 5, 2008 9:53 AM EDT 0 recs
Utley is who I think will win
He gets all the hype in the MSM and everyone wants to see “three straight different MVP winners from the same team” or some crap like that. Ludwick is one of the least-talked about players IMO so even though his SLG is through the roof right now, he won’t get anything close to a look.
One outside-the-box answer I came up with, though, is a name I though of when you said “there are no pitchers who merit serious consideration for the award.” What if C.C. Sabathia continues his current pace (pitching at or near a CG every time, allowing only a handful of runs) and the Brewers make the postseason? I’m not sure if there has ever been a precedent for a mid-season acquisition winning MVP honors, but the boost he’s given that team since arriving may make him the MVP of that team. What do you think?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 5, 2008 9:55 AM EDT 0 recs
+1 on Utley
I think that he is in the driver’s seat for the MVP award. After jobbing Pujols out of it year after year, we’ll have three consecutive years of Phillies. As an aside, how is it that the Phillies have a real “MV3” but the Cards’ MV3 only produced one? Oh yeah, Barry Bonds…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 5, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
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Barry Bonds
And the fact they played on the banks of the Mississippi and not the coast of the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 5, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
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I'm still angry
It’s kind of a two-fer because I believe one piggybacks the other. How they gave Sosa the ‘98 MVP over McGwire is completely beyond me. One fo the frequently cited arguments is that Sosa carried his team to the playoffs. (Personally, I think that the writers should have banded together and given a co-MVP since The Great Home Rune Chase of ‘98 saved baseball. Roids or not. Anyway, I digress…) Then, in 2001, Bonds is given the MVP even though his team didn’t make the playoffs. Pujols gets 4th. 4th! Despite the fact that he essentially filled in for McGwire and is the reason the Cards made the playoffs. Surely, there is a better system than letting sportswriters vote. Maybe we could have the fans vote (sarcastically making fun of the ASG)...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 5, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
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Bonds' 2001...
maybe THE greatest season ever in the history of the game so i had no problem with him winning even though the G’men didnt make the playoffs.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on
Aug 5, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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I'll argue this until death
But his 2002 season was better, and they went to the World Series that year.
To a lesser extent, his 2004 season was also probably better than his year of 73 HR. A 1.421 OPS with an OBP over .600? I honestly believe that if pitchers would have pitched to him in those seasons he probably hits 60+ homers in each one.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 5, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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i will agree
2002 was better…but 2001 was still one of the greatest and i still dont have a problem with him winning the MVP that year…
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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exactly
which is why there should be two awards, MVP (Most Valuable Player) and MOP (Most Outstanding Player), and in certain years, they’d both go to the same guy. In terms of being valuable, you can’t make a case that Howard or Rollins deserved to be MVP the last two seasons since they play on the same team. But you could certainly make a case that they were the most outstanding players (i.e. players having the best year). Similar to when A-Rod won the award while playing for a Rangers team that stunk. He was the best hitter on the team that year, but saying he’s more valuable than guys who are producing at a bit lesser rate but are a key cog in a winning team is just nonsense.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 5, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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isnt the Hank Aaron Award...
the MOP or its equivilant? or am i mistaken?
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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it is
but it doesn’t get the press that the MVP award does…and rarely are they the same player, when they sometimes should be.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 5, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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Pujols was better than Howard in '06
Here is a humorous look at the whole situation, with a few stats to back up the claim that Albert was shafted.
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Aug 5, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
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nice link
classic fjm. now that i think about it, one could probably do worse that to just believe the opposite of everything stephen a. smith says…
by mattybobo on
Aug 5, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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wow
whoever submitted that and then wrote in to make extra points about ryan howard… man, he was/is a genius.
"so if you can’t understand what someone else is saying why don’t you just shut up about it instead of being a jerk-off?"
by baw on
Aug 5, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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yeah he's a genius
Kind of like the guy who wrote in to make extra points about the Whiteyball Cardinals ….I believe that can be found here.
by jdub176 on
Aug 5, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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wasn’t reading fjm back then, tks for the link!
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on
Aug 5, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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I agree that Utley
will continue the trend of not particularly deserving Phillie MVP winners. Can you tell I am still steamed about Albert not winning in ‘06? Don’t even get me started about how lame I think Ryan Howard is.
Isn’t there some sort of MVP type award bestowed by the SABR community?
Well, at least the MVP voting makes a little more sense than the Gold Glove voting.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 5, 2008 10:00 AM EDT 0 recs
Your copy would be easier to read
if you’d use capital letters where you are supposed to put them (beginning of sentences, names, etc.) . I’m not being a wise-ass. Your long threads with all lower case make all the sentences run into one another. I say this constructively, because I appreciate the effort you put into your columns and the thought-provoking questions you raise.
On a Bill James interview recently, he stated Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball. No shock to us, but it’s always great to hear. Most “Baseball Tonight” guys would agree, yet AP gets very few of those MVP awards. I wonder how much “hype”” plays a role in those selections? How many big-market (NY, Boston, LA, etc.) players get these awards over smaller-market teams?
I think he's going to wind up being one of these guys who gets a ton of accolades over the years but not much in the hardware department. I doubt AP cares.
by ccthemovieman on Aug 5, 2008 10:00 AM EDT 0 recs
The lack of capitalization
That’s just LB’s thing. I don’t think you’re gonna see a change any time soon.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 5, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
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you know, I don't
notice it as a problem—ever. I suppose the periods are enough for me. Now, lack of paragraphs does bother me in long posts. At any rate, I’m fascinated when this comment comes up. It’s interesting to see what different reading styles people have and how certain conventions affect different styles of reading.
You would think it would bother me, seeing as I’m an English teacher, but I never get hung up on that kind of thing on the internet. I dunno…not what I’m here for I guess. Now, when I see errors in the paper or in books, drives me nuts. Different environments I guess.
mel
by mel1975 on
Aug 5, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
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I actually
like the lack of capital letters. LB’s signature.
by njnick on
Aug 5, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
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What about e. e. cummings?
Does he drive you crazy?
by saladdays on
Aug 5, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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some of it i like
some of it i don’t. depends on the poem.
mel
by mel1975 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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really? is he on the "walk of fame" in the loop?
i somehow either did not know this or had forgotten. interesting fact: howard nemerov wrote a poem about the neighborhood i grew up in (more or less)
by mattybobo on
Aug 5, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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on the capitalization
Maybe you’re new here and aren’t aware that LB’s discussed this several times. He’s a writer - does it for a living and eschews capitalization here as a sort of escape from his real life. As Mr. Redbird says, he won’t change it. As for his threads being easy to read - IMO, (for what it’s worth—not very damned much) LB is a tremendous writer. His thoughts flow beautifully and his point is always intelligible and cogent and I’ll trade some capitalization to get that any day of the week.
by houstoncardinal on
Aug 5, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info
Yes, I am pretty new here. I was a writer, too, a reporter for 10 years and then a sports editor at our town’s daily newspaper for another 20. Editing so much copy over the years, something like no caps would jump out at me a lot more than for others, I suppose.
No need for people here to get all defensive about the poster, I didn’t mean to “diss” him. From what I’ve seen, I’m always interested to read what he has to offer, and he obviously puts a lot of effort into his work.
For the person who asked about the Bill James interview, I saw it Sunday night on ‘60 Minutes,” right before the Cards’ game on ESPN. You might find the transcript on their website.
BTW, being big-time baseball fans, I thought you might be interested in the following: at the end of the interview, they asked James “who is the best player in baseball?” he said, “Albert Pujols.” Then, they asked who is the most underrated player? His answer: “Chase Utley.” Finally, they said, “If you could start a team, who would be the first player you pick? He said, “David Wright of the Mets. He has everything I look for in a player, plus youth.”
by ccthemovieman on
Aug 5, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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I didn't mean to sound offensive
but was pretty sure that I had. Unlike LB, I don’t have such a gift.
by houstoncardinal on
Aug 5, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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During the playoffs
LB’s excellent game recaps often get linked on the Wall Street Journal’s “Daily Fix” (A collection of the best sportswriting on the web each day), and is even known by the fixers for his lowercase trademark.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
by BigMOman on
Aug 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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Where is the Bill James interview?
Anyplace accessible?
by Youneverknow on
Aug 5, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
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Yeah!
Learns how to right, iboras!
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
by Alxfritz on
Aug 5, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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he's not going to change
arguing about this is a mute point
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Aug 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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+2
lboros will likely continue his style irregardless of outside influences.
by mojowo11 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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did you mean regardless?
uhoh, I don’t want to open another can of worms
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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+Ñ
this begs the question, is proper english punctuation an appropriate topic on a baseball blog? now politics, there’s a good idea for a discussion in VEB.
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Aug 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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Only someone who favors
the Natural Law Party would say such a thing.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Aug 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
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does it mean a combination of regardless and irrelevant?
or the opposite of regardless? regardless of relevance?
/end
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 5, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
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whoops
I just did the same thing!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
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Pujols vs. Berkman
While Berkman leads in RC, Pujols leads in RC/27 - attributed to his being on the DL 15 days. And Berkman’s team’s been out of it for a long time - the primary reason Pujols didn’t win last year. I’m pretty much resigned to the fact that Pujols won’t win it. The voters like new names - those who have career years. They don’t like players who are consistently great. Pujols has set such a high standard that he cannot possibly be spectacular, though he’s always spectacular - a great Catch-22, unless you want Pujols to win the MVP.
I also think that if the Marlins make a run in the East, Hanley Ramirez will finish up there in the MVP voting. Ultimately, I think the winner, though, will be either David Wright or Chase Utley—depending on which team wins the East.
by houstoncardinal on Aug 5, 2008 10:13 AM EDT 0 recs
If Pujols can finish on fire
carry this team to the playoffs, like he is capable of doing, he’ll win the award. If not, it is Utley’s award to lose…because writer’s love a good story.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 5, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
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The Astros are playing pretty well right now
8-2 in their last ten, and they’ve moved within seven games of the Wild Card lead. That’s not an impossible task, especially considering how much the Brewers and Cardinals have been struggling lately. The ‘Stros have been a second half team for the past five or so years, and even though we laughed at them for making those deadline moves, if they were to do the impossible and catch fire and make the playoffs, I’d consider Berkman the likely winner.
That having been said, if the Astros somehow make the playoffs, how many people on this blog that made fun of the Astros for making all those deadline moves would turn it around and say that Mo should have done something, like the Astros did?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 5, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
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The Stros have no pitching
they’re deader than dead.
by houstoncardinal on
Aug 5, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
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I hope you're right
The Astros and Cubs both in the playoffs would make my skin crawl.
Just to clarify, I don’t think the Astros will make the playoffs. I’d say they’ve got less than a 1% chance. I just threw it out there for argument’s sake.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on
Aug 5, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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But they traded for Randy Wolf, HC
And Ed Wade says that they are still in contention…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 5, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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There is no bigger tool among GMs
than Ed Wade. This is, by far, the most poorly run system in the major leagues (the Astros, I mean). They should be making some meaningful attempt at rebuilding, b/c they have so depleted their farm system through bad drafts, signing free agents, and an inability or unwillingness to SIGN their draft picks. Still, owner Drayton McLane refuses to accept the obvious. All he sees are dollar signs associated w/ victories THIS YEAR. So he hires Ed Wade, someone whose best days (for what they were) have long since passed him by, and tells him “we can win this year.” Wade’s job, therefore, becomes one where he has to go all out to win now, completely willing to sacrifice the future in order to do so.
As BP said, after the Astros traded for LaTroy Hawkins, “The drive for 75 is alive!”
by houstoncardinal on
Aug 5, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
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Joking...
I agree wholeheartedly and have watched giddily as the McLane/Wade one-two punch drives the once-fearsome club into the ground. It makes me thankful for Walt Jocketty, Lunhow, and now Mo that the Cards organization, which reached a similar peak at a similar time, appears to have another peak in the very near future before it, whereas the ‘Stros seemed destined to hunker down in the cellar with the Pirates for a while.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Aug 5, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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The Mariners are offended that you think someone could run an
organization more ineptly than they.
by azruavatar on
Aug 5, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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I apologize, M's
but at least you had the good sense to fire Bavasi! Keep trying, though. You’ll get there.
by houstoncardinal on
Aug 5, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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your line "The voters like new names - those who have career years"
made me instantly think that Ludwick will win MVP
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 5, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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I actually don't want him to win MVP
Every award he wins makes him that much harder/more expensive to resign at the end of his contract. Being transcendently awesome and completely ignored is the best thing for the team now, and for keeping him on the team in the future. We don’t get any dumb sideshows, and we can appreciate him, even if the press doesn’t necessarily fawn over him.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan

