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When do "Slow Mo" and "Losenow"(Winlater?) become responsible for 2008?

It was clear in May that Izzy was spiraling downward and needed help. Last night was an example of the failure of our hydra-headed GM to address the issues which hold the team back. The manager can only use the players the GM supplies him. Springer can't be used three days in a row, but who else can he use? The real problem in the inning was the weak-armed shortstop who shouldn't be playing shortstop. A major league shortstop has the arm to complete that double play and end the inning. So is it the manager's fault that Izturis wasn't in the game? Or is it the GM's fault for staffing a position with two guys who can field, but can't hit, and another middle infielder who can help on offense, but hurts you defensively? After Izturis's pathetic AB on Saturday, resulting in a 2-1 loss, can we blame TLR for sitting him Sunday?                                         

The manager, coaches, and core players continue to grind it out and stay in the race, but they need help. What has the 2GM done to help them?

Pitching:

Mo- Reyes, 2xFlores, Villone, Clement, Pinero, Lohse, Springer, Franklin

2, maybe 3 winners out of 9

Luh- McClellen, Garcia, Jimenez, Boggs, Parisi, Perez, Worrell

1 winner (as far as 2008 goes) out of 7

Position players:

Mo- Izturis, Miles, Glaus, LaRue, Barton

4, maybe 5, out of 5 to the plus side- not bad

Luh- Mather, Stavinoha, Washington (2 of the most pathetic AB's you'll ever see last night)

1 out of 3?

So back to the original question: when do they become responsible for the downward spiral in 2008? Is it if the Cards miss the playoffs? Is it if the majority of the untouchable prospects don't make it? Is it if the Cards don't get the WS in the next 3 years? Is it if Rasmus is a flop?

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“We’re 10 games over .500! Who is responsible for this abomination?!”

How do we define a “winner”? Is there a criteria I should know?

I’m sure if you’re looking to lay the blame on someone for fielding a team that surprised everyone in baseball and is pushing for a playoff spot in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year, Mo will be happy to take the blame.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2008 9:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Luhnow didn’t draft Mather, Washington or Jimenez.

Question: “Is it if Rasmus is a flop?” Answer: No.

by azruavatar on Aug 4, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

go back to the P-D forums

we werent even supposed to be competing, so i would say they have done a damn fine job

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chicken Little...redux

The Cubs and Brewers have sold the farm to win this year, so we should do the same thing? Or maybe we should stand pat this season and look at being competitive in the division for the next 3-4 years. I choose the latter, especially considering that there wasn’t a player out there that could provide a significant lift to this team.

Everyone started the season thinking the the bullpen was going to be a strength of this club, that Wainwright was going to get 30+ starts, that Izzy was going to get to 300 saves by the All-Star break, and that we probably wouldn’t compete in the division because of 3 talented teams looking to win now (Cubs, Brewers, Astros). None of those things has happened, yet the ballclub is still 10 games over .500 and has competed well with all the top teams in the National League this season. They still have plenty of time to get on a stretch and win the wild-card, and we just got a former Cy Young winner back in the rotation, Wainwright should be back soon, and maybe the bullpen will start to come around when they stop being overworked.

Or, would you rather be the Astros? A team of aging vets that make a ton of money and have diminishing skills and no farm system to speak of since they traded away all their prospects to put the current club together. You know, the club that’s currently dwelling near the bottom of the division they pulled out all the stops to win this year.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 4, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hold nothing back, jack...

Ouchie.

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by bukowski on Aug 4, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+10000

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on Aug 4, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Lord!

If they “only” win 85-86 games, who should get the “blame?” That’s your question. Mo will probably happily accept that blame!

by chuckb on Aug 4, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you expect to win the Word Series every five or so years?

That’s ludicrous. The Pirates have been in a perpetual suck for 15 years. The Brewers haven’t been to the playoffs in 26 years. The Expos/Nationals I believe haven’t been in longer.

Your expectations are too high, man. You’re gonna be disappointed a whole bunch.

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 4, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Expos/Nationals Sidebar

The last time the Expos were in was in 1981, which was a strike shortened year, and also a year before Milwaukee’s last playoff appearance. That team featured Andre Dawson, Tim Raines, and Gary Carter in what was a craptastic division that year.

Side note, they won the division that year with a record of 60-48, which was good for second place on the season, but finished with a 30-23 post-strike record, which got them into the playoffs since only the post strike records were counted for postseason play that year. After game 108 this season, the Cardinals were 59-49, one game worse than Montreal was that year.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 4, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like the same kind of beat down I got after the 2006

World Series when I suggested trading Duncan and Reyes when their value was high. How did the future work out, Cardinal Kool-Aid drinkers? Do I want them in the playoffs every year? Yes, when they’re still in it by August. You mean to tell me the farm is so full of can’t miss major leaguers that they couldn’t spare a few for help now? They’re in it in 2008. What 2009-2011 will bring no one knows for certain. Building from the farm is the ideal. Being in contention in 2008 is the real. The key is a balance. I’m not saying trade everybody, but is trading nobody the answer?

by vinniefromjersey on Aug 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it is when its a dumb move

im sure there were plenty of trades mo coulda made, but they were probably lopsided trades for a rental and even if you have enough people in the farm, why would you make dumb moves?

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on Aug 4, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

I hate this:

“You mean to tell me the farm is so full of can’t miss major leaguers that they couldn’t spare a few for help now?”

How bout you throw out some potential offers, since you’re clearly so knowledgable? People always say we should trade minor leaguers and get help. How about filling in the blanks? Who should we trade for? Who should we be willing to part with? Or does this whole trading process of giving away whoever and getting somebody (the infamous “help”) happen by magic?

We have a FEW can’t-miss major leaguers. Guess which players other teams want when we inquire about this “help” you think is magically going to arrive? That’s right, the good players. Rasmus. Anderson. Perez. Garcia. Todd. They don’t want Josh Phelps. They want to give us a roleplayer or a rental and get back major pieces of our future. Yes, trading nobody is the answer if other teams want the important, cost-controlled parts of our future for help over 1/3 of this season. I get that we’re in contention. I like winning. We’re actually doing quite a bit of it, which people seem to have forgotten in the midst of the bullpen drama.

I would’ve liked to have gotten a roleplayer on the cheap, such as Arthur Rhodes. But this vague, sweeping “we should’ve gotten somebody to do something!” attitude is silly and just shows that you’re not actually putting much thought into the whole notion and are just reacting emotionally.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2008

The Cardinals are playing for 2009 and beyond. Being 10 games over 500 and being in a pennant race in 2008 is icing on the cake in my mind. At some point in time we need to rebuild our team for the future at the expense of not winning for a yr. or two. We should feel lucky. We do not want to relive the 70’s do we?

by llabyellov on Aug 4, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't like this thread

but if you insist on placing blame for the lack of instant gratification, then you need to aim a little higher. The impetus for building from within is from one Bill DeWitt. Jocketty didn’t get it and they fired him.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 4, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame DeWitt.

I agree with the model he wants to establish. But part of having a good farm system is to have the chips to get what you need when you need it. Luhnow may be great at analyzing stats and spreadsheets, but can he evaluate baseball talent? The jury is out. Mo’s record this year is a lot better, but hardly definitive. The two baseball talent evaluators in the organization with the top credentials are TLR and Duncan. Their ACTIONS tell me they think McClellen is a major leaguer. Most, if not all, of the other farmhands have failed their trials.
As to the point of “we don’t know” what deals were possible, of course we don’t. That’s the defense of every losing GM in baseball. There’s an ESPN report (I know, I know, they’re not very reliable) supposedly from a Rockies source that they offered the Cards Fuentes for Anderson and a “low-level” pitching prospect (they could mean Todd, meaning low minor league level). Do you make that deal?
Which gives you a better chance at a playoff run, Fuentes in 2008 or Anderson and Todd in 2009-2011?
That’s the job of Mo and Luhnow. Having had Fuentes at the trade deadline might mean two more wins already, and a lead in the wildcard.

by vinniefromjersey on Aug 4, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're contradicting yourself

on the one hand, you argue that the organization is no good at producing talent. the minor-leaguers are no good —luhnow has no proven ability to evaluate talent and develop players -—the guys in the system haven’t proven anything, and they won’t be worth very much as big leaguers.

but in the next breath, you argue that mozeliak should trade these same worthless minor-leaguers for the star players of other organizations.

i don’t see the logic.

by lboros on Aug 4, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I started to respond to this, but I was being far less civil. That’s basically what I wanted to say.

by mojowo11 on Aug 4, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I haven't been clear.

My comments are strictly predicated on the 2008 season. I’m not saying the minor leaguers are no good. I’m saying they’re not ready to help in 2008. Izzy had seven blown saves by early May. That’s nearly three months before the trade deadline. They tried Franklin,but he just doesn’t have the repertoire to close. He had a career year last year, they weren’t going to get more out of him. They tried McClellen, but he was inconsistent, especially with the location of his slider. That’s to be expected with a rookie. He reminds me of a young Haren. Hopefully they hold on to him and he develops like Haren. They tried Perez. He has a plus fastball, but no second pitch of major league caliber as yet. The slider was inconsistent both in it’s break and especially in location. The one hit out in that epic loss in Pittsburgh was high and flat. Villone gives them what he can. Flores takes up a roster spot strictly because they gave him a two year deal they’re unwilling to eat (and they can’t get anyone else to take him). Springer has been their best reliever, but he’s 39 and is strictly situational. It was clear they needed help from outside the organization.
I didn’t expect them to get a star player. I was looking for an Ohman or Mahay or Rhodes to try to at least eliminate some of the chaos leading to the ninth. There have been quite a few games in which they’ve given up runs in the 6th, 7th, and 8th leading to a loss in the 9th. I don’t know where to go to get the stat, but many of the blown saves they’ve been charged with have come in earlier innings.
I always thought a part of the build from within philosophy was to use your surplus talent to get what you needed in the present. Yadi is signed long-term. Does anyone see Anderson replacing him? Wouldn’t a package that included Anderson get one of the above? And if the rumor were true that the Rockies wanted him for Fuentes, wouldn’t that have helped this year? Is a backup catcher for 2009-2011 more important than a playoff run in 2008?
As far as Luhnow goes, my play on his name was a “my bad” cheap shot. But the basic question is valid. When do we get a read on his ability? Is there a certain percentage of drafted players who reach the majors that is “average?” I’m just afraid that he is so powerful in the organization and so protective of his draftees that he vetoes any trades involving prospects.

by vinniefromjersey on Aug 5, 2008 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Judging Luhnow

How about this—go over to baseball reference and look at the Cardinals drafts from 1996-2004 when Walt and his people were in charge of the draft. Then look at 2005 – 2008 since Luhnow has been in charge. That will give you a little perspective. Then look at the number of Latin American players that have been scouted and signed since Luhnow took over. This is progress since most of the really good farm systems look outside the draft for talent (Braves, Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees), because you can go after as many players as your payroll and roster sizes allow you to.

Our farm system is in much better shape since Luhnow took over, although it’s not all his doing either. The other part of that is because Walt isn’t sitting at the top trading away all the major league ready prospects for late season rentals to help the team make a stretch run. Those days of the deadline monster deal (i.e. giving up garbage prospects for one great player) are over. Look at what the Sox and Dodgers had to give up to make the Manny deal work: Three major league ready players (Moss, LaRoche, and Hansen) - all of whom were top 100 prospects. Not to mention the other pitcher that the Dodgers had to give up. Even Pittsburgh is finally getting it - they didn’t sell Jason Bay for peanuts like they did Aramis Ramirez. They got back really good young players to add to their core of good young players. That’s how you build a ballclub on a budget.

I don’t buy the Fuentes rumor one bit. Colorado has a good catcher under contract (Torrealba) and a young catcher that was one of their top prospects a year ago (Iannetta), who’s cost-controlled and hit 12 homers at the big league level this year while putting up slash lines better than anything Anderson would have put up. They are more set at the catcher position than the Cardinals are, so why would they want Anderson for their most prized trade deadline possession? It just doesn’t add up—it sounds to me like a rumor that got floated by Colorado to drum up the price of Fuentes to other clubs. The deadline is as much about gamesmanship as it is anything else. No, a backup catcher in 2009-2011 isn’t more important that a playoff run in 2008, but you’re assuming that Colorado offered that deal (highly unlikely), and that we won’t be able to move Anderson for more than a 2 month rental in the offseason as part of a bigger trade that might help the club in more areas.

Sometimes it’s best to just stockpile assets until you have enough to make a big move in the offseason. With all the problems that the Dodgers have at third base, they’re really going to regret giving up LaRoche if he becomes an All-Star player at that position in the future. They have gone from one of the younger teams in the league to having a 36 year old left fielder, a 35 year old third baseman, to join their 42 year old second baseman who can’t hit anymore. They’re putting a lot of eggs in one basket and giving up pieces of the future to do that. They needed Manny’s bat, but they needed it at third base, not in the outfield where they have bunches of good players.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 5, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vinnie

I understand your fustration.

You are right in that it was early in the season when it became clear we needed a MI that could hit. Unfortunately there really was none available. There was no sense in the call for “a big bat” unless it was a MI’er.

I was so hoping the cards would get Fuentes. ‘Anderson and Todd’ I think is too much to pay.
Anderson may never be the starting catcher for the Cardinals, but given more development he may be able to bring a much bigger prize. He is too intriguing of a player to let go for a rental.

The rotation will be fine in another couple of weeks. So there was no reason to make a deal for A.J. Halladay. The late inning pen will be problematic even if Looper and/or Pineiro move there. I thought maybe Mather and possiblely a lesser prospect could get us Ohman, but alas it didn’t happen.

So yeah I am upset with no action, but I have no inside knowledge of deals not done. So I fear we will watch this team continue to play a hard 7 or 8 and even go 9, but still loose. I have a feeling my fustration will grow in September, and this could end up being “The Season that could have been.”

Oh, I was with you in 2006 saying we should trade Reyes. When I saw game one I thought ‘Great every GM saw that and hopefully we can trade him.’ I thought Duncan was a flash in the pan and could be added into the trade. Like the reast of us I wish Chris well and hope he is able to return to the game next spring.

by nybirdfan on Aug 4, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Expect nothing if you’re not a high profile poster around VEB, except the occasional swat from the WM.

by cardschinmusic on Aug 5, 2008 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's got nothing to do with high-profile

it’s got to do with intelligence and thoughtfulness. if you make persuasive arguments on this board and have some facts to support your position, you win admirers. but if all you show is attitude, and you come on very strong with a very weak argument, your argument will get swatted down.

by lboros on Aug 5, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really believe

“the two baseball talent evaluators in the organization with the top credentials are TLR and Duncan?” Can you even name one of the scouts the Cardinals rely upon? Do you seriously believe TLR and Duncan even look at HS, college, or overseas players? If your point is that they can tell which of the top minor leaguers are going to be the best big leaguers then I still don’t get it. They don’t watch minor league games. Whenever Tony comments on player promotions he always cites the opinions of the minor league managers and scouts.

If TLR is such a keen evaluator of talent then how come he pushed for a three-year deal for Adam Kennedy? How come he pushed to trade Dan Haren against Duncan’s objections? Why did it take him so long to figure out that Ryan Ludwick could hit? Why in bleeding hell does he continue to play Aaron Miles at SS? And what about Randy stinking Flores?

For the record, I would rather have Bryan Anderson in 2009 and beyond than two months of Brian Fuentes. If you really think the purpose of the minor league system is to produce trading chips, then why on earth would you not want to maximize the value of those chips? Do you think .300 hitting left-handed catchers are a dime a dozen? Have you seen Yadi’s splits against RHPs? If Anderson gets a few hundred MLB ABs and continues to hit like he has at every level in the system don’t you think he would be worth a lot more than being part of a deal to rent Fuentes?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 5, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I think that Anderson could come up right now, start half the games against righties, and improve this team.

by mojowo11 on Aug 5, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let him catch everday and hit everyday

and develop and be ready to be on a roster full time

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 5, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good thing

you’re not a Pirates fan. Or a Royals fan. Or a Reds fan. Or a Orioles fan. Or a Mariners fan. Shit, the list goes on.

Listen, I agree they dropped the ball at the deadline, but I wouldn’t blame them for anything. Mo made some pretty good moves. I’m just happy he didn’t blow up the team. I would’ve like to have seen him move a couple guys / get some guys in return, but we’re in a playoff hunt that is anything but over. That’s already an improvement from last year.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually it seems Dewitt should get a little heat

last i saw out payroll was around $90mil (correct me if im off). Last year or 2 he’s talked about being able to go up to around $105mil if i remember right. It would be nice if we used that money last off season or in a trade. Taking on a player to help this year by spending money not spending talent. $90mil is kinda weak.

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 4, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

again and again

Ok then genius, who do we go get? Barry Bonds is out—and it’s been shown that he probably doesn’t help the ballclub by and measureable amount, but he passes the “the ballclub did something” test. There weren’t any good free agent shortstops or second basemen last year, Kennedy was already signed and was hoping for a rebound year, and teams just don’t trade productive middle infielders unless they’re getting a bunch in return. I agree, it would be nice to go get Joe Short Stop who puts up a .900 OPS with plus defense and spend $15 million dollars on him. But where is that player? He’s not available to us for just coughing up cash!

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 5, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good points

i have no problem with the payroll. spending more money to say we spent it is just as bad as trading just to make a trade—the results are all that matter. imagine if we had signed another kennedy, or another pineiro, who would then take up another roster spot. if the players aren’t out there and available it’s just a waste. furthermore, we’re not the yankees, no matter how much we complain about ticket and concession prices. so if the expensive quality free agents or whatnot are actually out there, we have to bid against new york, l.a., chicago, boston, etc. etc. we’re just not quite in that upper echelon, although i don’t exactly think we’re a “small market” team either. i could be wrong.

by mattybobo on Aug 5, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

first off

i havent seen people complaing about the payroll…so i dont get the “again and again” comment. Second go fuck yourself with the “genius” comment. I certainly wasn’t hinting about getting Bonds. What i was getting at is we possibly could have added a middle infielder during the off season by spending money (and no i didnt go back to see who was available) or by offering to take on salary instead of giving up prospects (and no i didnt looking at all players made available at the deadline to see if that was possible). But a simple, “i dont think there was a good fit” would have been fine rather then acting like my comments were shit!

People are so quick to judge on this board.

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 5, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't quick to judge

I just wanted to know who you thought the team could have signed to play SS or 2B in the offseason last year, because there weren’t any good players out there. That’s why we ended up with Izturis—he’s a vastly superior defensive player to Eckstein, even with all his problems with the bat. He’s been part of the reason, along with a healthy third baseman in Glaus (a present surprise) and a good defensive player in Schumaker, that the Cardinals are ranked near the top of all the team defensive metrics this season. It’s also why our pitching staff has shown improvement.

If you’re going to excoriate the club for not spending money, at least go back and look at the free agents that were available last offseason. It’s easy to just say, “Hey, lets go get someone!”, but in practice you can’t just throw money at the problem because you end up with worse issues, like signing Mark Mulder to a 2 year contract for $13 million when he hasn’t pitched effectively in 6 months. That contract cost the Cardinals $13 million over the last two years and they got absolutely nothing in return.

I think Mo has done a great job spending money so far and since the club has a bunch of money coming off the books for 2009, when there is a decent free agent class. He hasn’t signed any damaging long term deals, but was able to lock up Wainwright and Molina for the better part of their prime with club and player friendly contracts.

There are plenty of links to research information on the front page of this board, including Cot’s Contracts and baseball-reference, which are great tools to use when trying to answer the questions you posed. I’m sorry if you took this the wrong way, but your post just looks emotional when you don’t address the needs that you describe with players that we could have picked up. There are tons of people on this board that post emotionally instead of looking at what all the options were at the time. Blanket statements like “Spend some money!” or “Trade for someone!” don’t solve the problems at hand.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 6, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 games over .500 with Wainwright

Without, a .500 team. With Carp returning and Wainwright on the cusp of returning, it seems to me a good strategy to rely on their contributions to improve our play.

What’s more, what was out there? I’ve documented our good offensive production before. We can win this year by and large with the players we have and be positioned for another decade of pennant races. Bringing up Garcia is a start. Optioning Flores to AAA was addition by subtraction, and calling up Garcia made it an even better move. Perez returning to St. Louis would be another strong step in the right direction. Both would strengthen our bullpen.

As for our lineup, SS is our only glaring weakness. What SS was/is on the market? I’ve heard nothing. Perhaps a waiver deal could be done for a Renteria or Jack Wilson. We shall see.

I think the Cards did well. We were targeting a lefty reliever, along with a whole lot of other clubs, yet only one switched teams. I think this further validates Mo and Co.’s approach.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 5, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with most everything

but the only thing that worries me is that we were a .500 team with Wainer for a month before he got hurt. I hope he can create a spark, but most of the .500ness has been poor bullpen and lack of timely hitting. Oh yeah, and Aaron Miles playing shortstop. Sorry, just had to throw the Grit reference in there.

Still doesn’t change the reality of no decent help available at a fair price. I wonder if it is possible that either Pineiro or Looper could pitch effectively in the ‘pen? I hope so, especially for Pineiro, ‘cause he is going to be one hellaciously expensive middle reliever.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 5, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I for one do have a problem with the payroll ceiling that DeWitt has set.

I would like to see an incremental increase to match the league wide payroll increase. Moreover, I think it’s an imperative to approach spending a bit more liberally when you have a once a generation player like Pujols. There has to be an impetus to surround him with the best team possible over the life of his career because he’s not going to play forever and while you have him you should make the most of it – ie., providing lineup protection. I’m not talking about Yankees type spending or taking on Barry Zito contracts. But if it means paying an extra year to AJ Burnett or going after one top shelf bat I think DeWitt needs to sign off.

by rlgosnell on Aug 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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