Game 137 Open Thread -- August 31, 2008
by chuckb
on Aug 31, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
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Wellemeyer had 5 straight outings w/ game scores above 50 before stinking Tuesday evening against the Brewers. The Astros should be a pretty good matchup for him b/c he's been very good against righties this year (.681 OPS against) and for his career (.727). It stands to reason -- his best pitches being a good, hard fastball and a good, hard slider. The Astros' best hitters, save Fat Elvis, all bat from the right side of the plate. <p>
Wandy is a conundrum. He's been much better for his career at home than on the road but has only a slight platoon split. Still, I imagine we'll see Mather and/or Stavinoha in the OF. He's pitched twice so far this year against the Cards in the Juice Box and given up 0 ER. But that's misleading. In his <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU200806080.shtml"> last start </a>, he gave up 5 unearned runs -- all of them in the 7th inning. We could be looking at a pretty good pitching matchup. <p>
I'll be at the game, so I won't be patrolling the threads. I'll get an overflow thread up around 2:45. Hopefully we'll have lots of good stuff to talk about.
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Phelps in LF, Skip in CF
no Mather, no Stavvy
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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I bet he was
he’s probably trying to figure out where homeplate is from there.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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i wonder if
he even has an outfielder’s glove?
by adiueordie on
Aug 31, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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good 1st AB
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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BTW--great post this AM, HC
thanks for keeping perspective.
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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Surprise
Surprise
Milwaukee already beating Pittsburgh.
Just to draw HC’s ire, Pirates record vs division foes:
Milwaukee: 1-10 (1-11 after today’s certain loss)
Chicago: 4-14
St. Louis: 7-7
If that isn’t a sign we are a 3rd place team, I don’t know what is. Our chief rivals in the division are 24-5 vs Pittsburgh, we are 7-7. Ouch.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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brew crew...
the brewers are certainly good, and especially with Sabathia/Sheets are a pretty scary team, and they aren’t playing much above their pythagorean… but how the heck are they 25-11 in 1-run games? That just seems incredibly lucky…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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good lord
pirates already losing, after one inning.
McLouth has an OPS of .640 since they traded bay and Nady. Sigh.
C’mon, luddy…
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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Sometimes I love stats
Hunter Pence drops a ball that should be caught (“If it’s in your glove, it should be caught”), scramble around and gets credited with his 15 OF assist.
So, his stats will look better because of no error but an OF assist added to his stat sheet.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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yeah, he made a really great play, didn’t he?
by adiueordie on
Aug 31, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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glaus .722 OPS vs LHP this year
not good.
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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Why does it always seem we litter the bases
with runners, burn through the best parts of our order and never seem to get runs in?
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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perception?
you put a ton of runners on… you strand a ton of runners…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Do the hit and run Tony
you know you want to.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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Lesson learned.
That type of situation, where the other team throws the ball over a few times usually baits Tony into changing his plan of attack.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Is there a place where I can search
for ‘League Leaders in groundballs right at the 2nd baseman’? Skippy has to be leading by a wide margin.
Conversely, is there an archive that I can see where Scott Rolen ranked in ‘League Leaders of Weak pop-ups to the 2nd baseman (with or without the bases loaded)’?
Inquiring minds want to know.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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Wellemeyer, no location
he got away with being awful in the 1st inning while missing spots all the time, this inning he is getting rocked.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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Good pitching, Colonel
way to get out of the lead-off double.
Let’s get some runs, guys!
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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good thing skip dove into first...
someone needs to take him aside and explain it to him… Maybe have him run some sprints to first and time them and then show him some videos? Has anyone ever done that?
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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sept callups
“I’m expecting Flores is the only one [on Monday], and then more guys Tuesday,” La Russa said. “The reports have been good. He’s been throwing the ball well.”
Hooray.
by adiueordie on
Aug 31, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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perhaps he meant “well enough for batters to make good contact”
by NorseKaiser on
Aug 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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thanks iz2
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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hope Barden is one of the "guys"
TLR is looking for on Tuesday.
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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Well, it's been a fun season
I will see you all next spring unless something big comes along in the offseason.
Go Arizona!
by Red in Chicago on
Aug 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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Who got tossed?
Luddy?
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by CurtainCall on
Aug 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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Ludwick needs a kick start
ice cold in the Juice box
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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He's like
some frozen concentrated orange juice.
by madeintaiwan on
Aug 31, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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2 k's in a row
on pitches 8+ inches outside.
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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Then he hurt himself apparently
bizarre innings
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
by CurtainCall on
Aug 31, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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He was hurt the whole inning
he was stretching the entire time.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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only way to get APU out
these days
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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It's nice that the site has come back to work
now the homeplate ump can put his ‘manhood’ away. We all see it, it is quite large…now let’s get back to making the ‘right’ calls.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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Chances Glaus gets realy angry here?
by madeintaiwan on
Aug 31, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Aww.
I was almost hoping for a late strikeout call there….
by madeintaiwan on
Aug 31, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Molina should lineup a foot off the plate
and have Welley throw fastballs out there for the first 6 pitches.
If they aren’t all called strikes, I’d get run.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Um...that strategy would actually take some decent coaching there HL,
7 pitches, 1 borderline outside
Although now hes pounding Miggy outside
by buzzburton33 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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Sure the Pirates suck
but it’s really sad that they have completely bent over for the Brewers and Cubs this year. But I guess they did the same for us a few years ago as well. Their total suckitude this year has been a great advantage for the 2 teams above us.
by KYCards on
Aug 31, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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hey can someone tell me how wellemeyer's looking
seems like he is pitching well… though I know some balls were smoked earlier in the game.
Has he settled in or something?
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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miles, showing how it's done in grit 101
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on
Aug 31, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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He's pitching better
but to me he doesn’t seem all that sharp.
by madeintaiwan on
Aug 31, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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Skip faces a righty now
please get a hit.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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Thank you.
Now PH for Izturis, who blows.
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Aug 31, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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golden shoulders
needs a lot of work on his bunting. seems like he always has a lot of trouble getting one down.
by adiueordie on
Aug 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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he is a bad bunter..........That cost's you wins as a pitcher
by ICbirdfan on
Aug 31, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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He's more of a 'Hit and Run'
pitcher, or so Tony thought.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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would you pinch hit for phelps
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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no.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
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sigh.
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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just an ugly series. so close yet so far away
by ICbirdfan on
Aug 31, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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9 hits and a BB, 0 runs...
the baseball gods are not shinning on us…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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do not uderstand why we have Cesar in the leadoff spot against righties now
he is like 0 for his last 12
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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But the bench is full now
and we’ve got a 1B starting in LF. We could have used ANYONE not named LaRue and had no problems with bench depth.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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Shouldnt matter, what has Izz2 done at any point in this season to deserve even 1 AB in the
leadoff spot, let alone 2 out of 3 games
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Aug 31, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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in all honesty,
he has to bat somewhere, the difference is marginal (even over a season…) and certainly situation dependent.
main thing is that we just need better MIF batters…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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2 on, 1 out in the 7th
full bench, you could have PH an OF’er and put Lopez in to play short in the bottom half of the inning.
We need runs,or we lose.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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Agreed
also, by batting him leadoff instead of in the 9 hole, you give him 1 extra AB to fail, IMO
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Aug 31, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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oh I agree with the PH proposition,
I just don’t think it matters if Iz2 is in the leadoff or last spot…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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Plus, it was a missed opportunity to get into their bullpen
if we send Ankiel up, they will have to bring in a LHP. Then, that LHP would have to leave when Pujols bats.
Just a bungled situation, trusting crappy MLB players to go against the norm in situations isn’t a good idea.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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Hey David Newhan
that buzzing noise in the background is your alarm clock.
It’s time you WAKE UP AND REALIZE YOU ARE DAVID NEWHAN…whoever the hell that is.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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Milwaukee - 7
Pittsburgh – doesn’t matter
That got out of hand in a hurry.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Should we move to the overflow?
This one has been soooo busy!
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Aug 31, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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C'mon Albert
bail the Colonel out here
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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or strike out with a weak check swing
and then glare.
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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EPIC.FAIL.
Have we even hit the ball hard today?
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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we have 9 hits
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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Luddy will be happy to leave HOU
he’s been terrible at the plate here
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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where is j-rod when you need him?
that guy loved minute maid park.
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by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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what a waste
7 ip, 4 hits, 0 BB, 4 SO from welley…
and we have the tepid bottom of the lineup as the only chance for a win…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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Villone hits the lefty
the last guy he was going to face.
Way to be good at your very minimal job, Ron.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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I promise to throw left-handed
and not get left handed or right handed batters out for $600k a year.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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Kennedy, Izturis and Ryan...........any takers?
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Aug 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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thanks but no thanks franklin
pathetic
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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on a serious note...
I’m really looking forward to next year, but is there ANY way to repair the middle infield situation.
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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to be honest...
I don’t know why next year is really any better? there are still a lot of holes.
by ICbirdfan on
Aug 31, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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No kidding
plus, the likelihood of Ryan Ludwick putting up 40/110 again isn’t very high.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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Not to mention Tony doesn't seem to favor Rasmus very much
so unless Mo trades Skip we won’t be seeing our “center fielder of the future” at least for most of the first half of 2009.
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we don't need to get that much better...
I mean, we could easily get to the postseason with just a few more wins over this season. And who knows how much a full season of Perez is worth over izzy/franklin…
but specifically is there any MIF (not like a hanley ramirez or arod or anything) that we could trade a marginal prospect for and wouldn’t cost us 10 mil per year?
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Maybe he can pull out some post season magic
against the Cubs. That might be what Arizona has in mind??? But I agree pretty ho-hum.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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my god franklin sucks
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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Oh goody our friends the Astros
pretty much putting in the final nail to our season. Break out the party favors and cazoos.
by KYCards on
Aug 31, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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leave Franklin in Houston
Just don’t let him on board
The only game in town
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Aug 31, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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agreed, where is K mac
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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josh kinney should be back sometime this week
i’m guessing he can do better than franklin, at least.
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not only has the guy given up 9 home runs on the year
but they have all been big
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Aug 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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i think his main problem is the BB's though
11 bb in 80 innings last year
27 through 64 this year…
I bet the inconsistency in finding the strike zone doesn’t help with the HR either
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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Not that I really care much but if the Cubs loose today the classless Brewers
will only be 4.5 out of the Central leadership.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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Plus, Bosox lost today; Rays up in the 8th
all ESPN mourns.
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Now that I do care about
I would love it if Boston chokes the final month and the Twins or White Sox get the WC.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Speaking of Red Sox & ESPN
has anybody heard that hack that’s always on Sports Center that calls the Red Sox the “Nation” alll the time? The dude is so in love with them that he brings them up in highlights of games not even involving the Red Sox including a college football game highlight last night… and the “NATIONwide” car race. I had to turn it off….it would make any fan outside of Boston puke.
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umpire sucks
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by ANDYAK47 on
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looks like he's mailing it in
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he should be fined for the calls he has made the last two days
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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How sad is it that if we finished the season
25-0, we’d still miss the playoffs.
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really, you think so
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The Cubs would have to go 14-11
and the Brewers would have to go 19-7.
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yeah i mean...
the cubs and brewers play each other a lot in the last few weeks, and we play the cubs a couple of times as well…
though I understand the frustration… the brewers really haven’t slipped much at all, and we’ve been dropping the close games. Worst game for the brewers in the last few weeks was probably the second game of the series vs us…
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yeah, another bad call from the umpire
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Aug 31, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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CC throws a one-hitter
any legs to the punditry saying he could win the cy-young?
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If he can shut down the Cubs for the 2 times he might face them in Sept
and it causes the Brewers to somehow win the Central…I think it would give him a great chance, but Webb would have to fall apart the final month as well for this to happen.
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Bad series for the Birds
If anyone can look to a turning point in this season, since it was talked about this week, to me the TP might be Santa’s failure to get Pence on the barehanded play in game 1, whether or not he would would have made the out by gloving it, who knows, but IMO that play was huge. That, coupled w/ the fact that the Cards continue to let guys like Pence hit 70 points higher against you than they do against any of the other teams…season avg=.262 & avg against Stl=.333, I believe thats right although since he came into the league, he seems to have lit up the Cards
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