Game 137 Open Thread -- August 31, 2008
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Wellemeyer had 5 straight outings w/ game scores above 50 before stinking Tuesday evening against the Brewers. The Astros should be a pretty good matchup for him b/c he's been very good against righties this year (.681 OPS against) and for his career (.727). It stands to reason -- his best pitches being a good, hard fastball and a good, hard slider. The Astros' best hitters, save Fat Elvis, all bat from the right side of the plate. <p>
Wandy is a conundrum. He's been much better for his career at home than on the road but has only a slight platoon split. Still, I imagine we'll see Mather and/or Stavinoha in the OF. He's pitched twice so far this year against the Cards in the Juice Box and given up 0 ER. But that's misleading. In his <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU200806080.shtml"> last start </a>, he gave up 5 unearned runs -- all of them in the 7th inning. We could be looking at a pretty good pitching matchup. <p>
I'll be at the game, so I won't be patrolling the threads. I'll get an overflow thread up around 2:45. Hopefully we'll have lots of good stuff to talk about.
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Phelps in LF, Skip in CF
no Mather, no Stavvy
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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 2:06 PM EDT 0 recs
I bet he was
he’s probably trying to figure out where homeplate is from there.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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good 1st AB
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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BTW--great post this AM, HC
thanks for keeping perspective.
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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Surprise
Surprise
Milwaukee already beating Pittsburgh.
Just to draw HC’s ire, Pirates record vs division foes:
Milwaukee: 1-10 (1-11 after today’s certain loss)
Chicago: 4-14
St. Louis: 7-7
If that isn’t a sign we are a 3rd place team, I don’t know what is. Our chief rivals in the division are 24-5 vs Pittsburgh, we are 7-7. Ouch.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT 0 recs
brew crew...
the brewers are certainly good, and especially with Sabathia/Sheets are a pretty scary team, and they aren’t playing much above their pythagorean… but how the heck are they 25-11 in 1-run games? That just seems incredibly lucky…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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good lord
pirates already losing, after one inning.
McLouth has an OPS of .640 since they traded bay and Nady. Sigh.
C’mon, luddy…
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 2:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Sometimes I love stats
Hunter Pence drops a ball that should be caught (“If it’s in your glove, it should be caught”), scramble around and gets credited with his 15 OF assist.
So, his stats will look better because of no error but an OF assist added to his stat sheet.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:15 PM EDT 0 recs
glaus .722 OPS vs LHP this year
not good.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 2:16 PM EDT 0 recs
Why does it always seem we litter the bases
with runners, burn through the best parts of our order and never seem to get runs in?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:23 PM EDT 0 recs
perception?
you put a ton of runners on… you strand a ton of runners…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Lesson learned.
That type of situation, where the other team throws the ball over a few times usually baits Tony into changing his plan of attack.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Is there a place where I can search
for ‘League Leaders in groundballs right at the 2nd baseman’? Skippy has to be leading by a wide margin.
Conversely, is there an archive that I can see where Scott Rolen ranked in ‘League Leaders of Weak pop-ups to the 2nd baseman (with or without the bases loaded)’?
Inquiring minds want to know.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:30 PM EDT 0 recs
Wellemeyer, no location
he got away with being awful in the 1st inning while missing spots all the time, this inning he is getting rocked.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:34 PM EDT 0 recs
Good pitching, Colonel
way to get out of the lead-off double.
Let’s get some runs, guys!
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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 3:10 PM EDT 0 recs
good thing skip dove into first...
someone needs to take him aside and explain it to him… Maybe have him run some sprints to first and time them and then show him some videos? Has anyone ever done that?
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 3:15 PM EDT 0 recs
sept callups
“I’m expecting Flores is the only one [on Monday], and then more guys Tuesday,” La Russa said. “The reports have been good. He’s been throwing the ball well.”
Hooray.
by adiueordie on Aug 31, 2008 3:16 PM EDT 0 recs
perhaps he meant “well enough for batters to make good contact”
by NorseKaiser on
Aug 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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thanks iz2
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 3:17 PM EDT 0 recs
hope Barden is one of the "guys"
TLR is looking for on Tuesday.
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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Well, it's been a fun season
I will see you all next spring unless something big comes along in the offseason.
Go Arizona!
by Red in Chicago on Aug 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Who got tossed?
Luddy?
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by CurtainCall on Aug 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Ludwick needs a kick start
ice cold in the Juice box
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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He's like
some frozen concentrated orange juice.
by madeintaiwan on
Aug 31, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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2 k's in a row
on pitches 8+ inches outside.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 3:32 PM EDT 0 recs
Then he hurt himself apparently
bizarre innings
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by CurtainCall on
Aug 31, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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He was hurt the whole inning
he was stretching the entire time.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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only way to get APU out
these days
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by gocards62 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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It's nice that the site has come back to work
now the homeplate ump can put his ‘manhood’ away. We all see it, it is quite large…now let’s get back to making the ‘right’ calls.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Aww.
I was almost hoping for a late strikeout call there….
by madeintaiwan on
Aug 31, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Molina should lineup a foot off the plate
and have Welley throw fastballs out there for the first 6 pitches.
If they aren’t all called strikes, I’d get run.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 3:43 PM EDT 0 recs
Um...that strategy would actually take some decent coaching there HL,
7 pitches, 1 borderline outside
Although now hes pounding Miggy outside
by buzzburton33 on
Aug 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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Sure the Pirates suck
but it’s really sad that they have completely bent over for the Brewers and Cubs this year. But I guess they did the same for us a few years ago as well. Their total suckitude this year has been a great advantage for the 2 teams above us.
by KYCards on Aug 31, 2008 3:44 PM EDT 0 recs
hey can someone tell me how wellemeyer's looking
seems like he is pitching well… though I know some balls were smoked earlier in the game.
Has he settled in or something?
by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 3:52 PM EDT 0 recs
miles, showing how it's done in grit 101
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 31, 2008 3:54 PM EDT 0 recs
He's pitching better
but to me he doesn’t seem all that sharp.
by madeintaiwan on Aug 31, 2008 3:56 PM EDT 0 recs
golden shoulders
needs a lot of work on his bunting. seems like he always has a lot of trouble getting one down.
by adiueordie on Aug 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT 0 recs
he is a bad bunter..........That cost's you wins as a pitcher
by ICbirdfan on
Aug 31, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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He's more of a 'Hit and Run'
pitcher, or so Tony thought.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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would you pinch hit for phelps
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT 0 recs
no.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
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sigh.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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9 hits and a BB, 0 runs...
the baseball gods are not shinning on us…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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do not uderstand why we have Cesar in the leadoff spot against righties now
he is like 0 for his last 12
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 31, 2008 4:07 PM EDT 0 recs
But the bench is full now
and we’ve got a 1B starting in LF. We could have used ANYONE not named LaRue and had no problems with bench depth.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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Shouldnt matter, what has Izz2 done at any point in this season to deserve even 1 AB in the
leadoff spot, let alone 2 out of 3 games
by buzzburton33 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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in all honesty,
he has to bat somewhere, the difference is marginal (even over a season…) and certainly situation dependent.
main thing is that we just need better MIF batters…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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2 on, 1 out in the 7th
full bench, you could have PH an OF’er and put Lopez in to play short in the bottom half of the inning.
We need runs,or we lose.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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Agreed
also, by batting him leadoff instead of in the 9 hole, you give him 1 extra AB to fail, IMO
by buzzburton33 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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oh I agree with the PH proposition,
I just don’t think it matters if Iz2 is in the leadoff or last spot…
by duncans_army on
Aug 31, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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Plus, it was a missed opportunity to get into their bullpen
if we send Ankiel up, they will have to bring in a LHP. Then, that LHP would have to leave when Pujols bats.
Just a bungled situation, trusting crappy MLB players to go against the norm in situations isn’t a good idea.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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Hey David Newhan
that buzzing noise in the background is your alarm clock.
It’s time you WAKE UP AND REALIZE YOU ARE DAVID NEWHAN…whoever the hell that is.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Milwaukee - 7
Pittsburgh – doesn’t matter
That got out of hand in a hurry.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:11 PM EDT 0 recs
Should we move to the overflow?
This one has been soooo busy!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:14 PM EDT 0 recs
C'mon Albert
bail the Colonel out here
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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 4:21 PM EDT 0 recs
or strike out with a weak check swing
and then glare.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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wow!
I don’t know…..I just hope the Cards can finish the season strong. My only real incentive at this point to watch is to see how Albert is doing.
by ICbirdfan on
Aug 31, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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EPIC.FAIL.
Have we even hit the ball hard today?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:24 PM EDT 0 recs
we have 9 hits
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by ANDYAK47 on
Aug 31, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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Luddy will be happy to leave HOU
he’s been terrible at the plate here
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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 4:24 PM EDT 0 recs
where is j-rod when you need him?
that guy loved minute maid park.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on
Aug 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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what a waste
7 ip, 4 hits, 0 BB, 4 SO from welley…
and we have the tepid bottom of the lineup as the only chance for a win…
by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT 0 recs
Villone hits the lefty
the last guy he was going to face.
Way to be good at your very minimal job, Ron.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:29 PM EDT 0 recs
I promise to throw left-handed
and not get left handed or right handed batters out for $600k a year.
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Aug 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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