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Game 137 Open Thread -- August 31, 2008

Adam1_tiny by chuckb on in News

wellemeyer

rodriguez

11-5, 3.87

7-6, 3.94

 

 

Wellemeyer had 5 straight outings w/ game scores above 50 before stinking Tuesday evening against the Brewers.  The Astros should be a pretty good matchup for him b/c he's been very good against righties this year (.681 OPS against) and for his career (.727).  It stands to reason -- his best pitches being a good, hard fastball and a good, hard slider.  The Astros' best hitters, save Fat Elvis, all bat from the right side of the plate.  <p>

Wandy is a conundrum.  He's been much better for his career at home than on the road but has only a slight platoon split.  Still, I imagine we'll see Mather and/or Stavinoha in the OF.  He's pitched twice so far this year against the Cards in the Juice Box and given up 0 ER.  But that's misleading.  In his <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU200806080.shtml"> last start </a>, he gave up 5 unearned runs -- all of them in the 7th inning.  We could be looking at a pretty good pitching matchup.  <p>

I'll be at the game, so I won't be patrolling the threads.  I'll get an overflow thread up around 2:45.  Hopefully we'll have lots of good stuff to talk about.

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Phelps in LF, Skip in CF

no Mather, no Stavvy

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 2:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Phelps in LF

i’m not very surprised.

by adiueordie on Aug 31, 2008 2:07 PM EDT   0 recs

I bet he was

he’s probably trying to figure out where homeplate is from there.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i wonder if

he even has an outfielder’s glove?

by adiueordie on Aug 31, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good 1st AB

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW--great post this AM, HC

thanks for keeping perspective.

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Surprise

Surprise

Milwaukee already beating Pittsburgh.

Just to draw HC’s ire, Pirates record vs division foes:
Milwaukee: 1-10 (1-11 after today’s certain loss)
Chicago: 4-14
St. Louis: 7-7

If that isn’t a sign we are a 3rd place team, I don’t know what is. Our chief rivals in the division are 24-5 vs Pittsburgh, we are 7-7. Ouch.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT   0 recs

brew crew...

the brewers are certainly good, and especially with Sabathia/Sheets are a pretty scary team, and they aren’t playing much above their pythagorean… but how the heck are they 25-11 in 1-run games? That just seems incredibly lucky…

by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 2:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good lord

pirates already losing, after one inning.

McLouth has an OPS of .640 since they traded bay and Nady. Sigh.

C’mon, luddy…

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 2:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Sometimes I love stats

Hunter Pence drops a ball that should be caught (“If it’s in your glove, it should be caught”), scramble around and gets credited with his 15 OF assist.

So, his stats will look better because of no error but an OF assist added to his stat sheet.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:15 PM EDT   0 recs

yeah, he made a really great play, didn’t he?

by adiueordie on Aug 31, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

glaus .722 OPS vs LHP this year

not good.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 2:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Why does it always seem we litter the bases

with runners, burn through the best parts of our order and never seem to get runs in?

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:23 PM EDT   0 recs

perception?

you put a ton of runners on… you strand a ton of runners…

by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lesson learned.

That type of situation, where the other team throws the ball over a few times usually baits Tony into changing his plan of attack.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is there a place where I can search

for ‘League Leaders in groundballs right at the 2nd baseman’? Skippy has to be leading by a wide margin.

Conversely, is there an archive that I can see where Scott Rolen ranked in ‘League Leaders of Weak pop-ups to the 2nd baseman (with or without the bases loaded)’?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Wellemeyer, no location

he got away with being awful in the 1st inning while missing spots all the time, this inning he is getting rocked.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 2:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Good pitching, Colonel

way to get out of the lead-off double.

Let’s get some runs, guys!

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 3:10 PM EDT   0 recs

good thing skip dove into first...

someone needs to take him aside and explain it to him… Maybe have him run some sprints to first and time them and then show him some videos? Has anyone ever done that?

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 3:15 PM EDT   0 recs

sept callups

“I’m expecting Flores is the only one [on Monday], and then more guys Tuesday,” La Russa said. “The reports have been good. He’s been throwing the ball well.”

Hooray.

by adiueordie on Aug 31, 2008 3:16 PM EDT   0 recs

perhaps he meant “well enough for batters to make good contact”

by NorseKaiser on Aug 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks iz2

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 3:17 PM EDT   0 recs

hope Barden is one of the "guys"

TLR is looking for on Tuesday.

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, it's been a fun season

I will see you all next spring unless something big comes along in the offseason.

Go Arizona!

by Red in Chicago on Aug 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Who got tossed?

Luddy?

"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh

by CurtainCall on Aug 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Ludwick needs a kick start

ice cold in the Juice box

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's like

some frozen concentrated orange juice.

by madeintaiwan on Aug 31, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2 k's in a row

on pitches 8+ inches outside.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 3:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Then he hurt himself apparently

bizarre innings

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by CurtainCall on Aug 31, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

only way to get APU out

these days

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's nice that the site has come back to work

now the homeplate ump can put his ‘manhood’ away. We all see it, it is quite large…now let’s get back to making the ‘right’ calls.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Molina should lineup a foot off the plate

and have Welley throw fastballs out there for the first 6 pitches.

If they aren’t all called strikes, I’d get run.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 3:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Um...that strategy would actually take some decent coaching there HL,

7 pitches, 1 borderline outside

Although now hes pounding Miggy outside

by buzzburton33 on Aug 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure the Pirates suck

but it’s really sad that they have completely bent over for the Brewers and Cubs this year. But I guess they did the same for us a few years ago as well. Their total suckitude this year has been a great advantage for the 2 teams above us.

by KYCards on Aug 31, 2008 3:44 PM EDT   0 recs

hey can someone tell me how wellemeyer's looking

seems like he is pitching well… though I know some balls were smoked earlier in the game.
Has he settled in or something?

by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 3:52 PM EDT   0 recs

miles, showing how it's done in grit 101

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 31, 2008 3:54 PM EDT   0 recs

He's pitching better

but to me he doesn’t seem all that sharp.

by madeintaiwan on Aug 31, 2008 3:56 PM EDT   0 recs

would you pinch hit for phelps

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT   0 recs

do not uderstand why we have Cesar in the leadoff spot against righties now

he is like 0 for his last 12

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 31, 2008 4:07 PM EDT   0 recs

But the bench is full now

and we’ve got a 1B starting in LF. We could have used ANYONE not named LaRue and had no problems with bench depth.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

in all honesty,

he has to bat somewhere, the difference is marginal (even over a season…) and certainly situation dependent.
main thing is that we just need better MIF batters…

by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2 on, 1 out in the 7th

full bench, you could have PH an OF’er and put Lopez in to play short in the bottom half of the inning.

We need runs,or we lose.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

also, by batting him leadoff instead of in the 9 hole, you give him 1 extra AB to fail, IMO

by buzzburton33 on Aug 31, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh I agree with the PH proposition,

I just don’t think it matters if Iz2 is in the leadoff or last spot…

by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus, it was a missed opportunity to get into their bullpen

if we send Ankiel up, they will have to bring in a LHP. Then, that LHP would have to leave when Pujols bats.

Just a bungled situation, trusting crappy MLB players to go against the norm in situations isn’t a good idea.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey David Newhan

that buzzing noise in the background is your alarm clock.

It’s time you WAKE UP AND REALIZE YOU ARE DAVID NEWHAN…whoever the hell that is.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:09 PM EDT   0 recs

C'mon Albert

bail the Colonel out here

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 4:21 PM EDT   0 recs

or strike out with a weak check swing

and then glare.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow!

I don’t know…..I just hope the Cards can finish the season strong. My only real incentive at this point to watch is to see how Albert is doing.

by ICbirdfan on Aug 31, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we have 9 hits

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 31, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Luddy will be happy to leave HOU

he’s been terrible at the plate here

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by gocards62 on Aug 31, 2008 4:24 PM EDT   0 recs

where is j-rod when you need him?

that guy loved minute maid park.

the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.

by SleepyCA on Aug 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what a waste

7 ip, 4 hits, 0 BB, 4 SO from welley…
and we have the tepid bottom of the lineup as the only chance for a win…

by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Villone hits the lefty

the last guy he was going to face.

Way to be good at your very minimal job, Ron.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:29 PM EDT   0 recs

I promise to throw left-handed

and not get left handed or right handed batters out for $600k a year.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs