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As you know, I like to spend my Sunday mornings coming up w/ something halfway original to say, even if it strikes some as pretty radical. I’m not afraid to challenge conventional wisdom. I like to use a lot of stats to try and support what I have to say. It’s easy to fall into the typical lamentations about the most recent Cardinal loss or complaints about the newest worst player on the team so, since I get 1 day a week, I like to try to say something that hasn’t been said. Sometimes I succeed. Sometimes I fail but it’s not for a lack of trying.

I’m a teacher and school started this week. I’ve been busier than a 1-legged man in a butt-kicking contest and haven’t been able to spend a lot of time talking all things Cardinals in the threads and, in fact, haven’t seen much of the games this week. I suppose that’s a good thing. I have, of late however, noticed a discernible increase in the number of complaints similar to this:

The Cards have lost too many games they shouldn’t have lost. If not for losses like this one, we’d be ______________ (insert lost opportunity here: i.e. – "in first place," "leading the Wild Card," "ahead of the Brewers," whatever…

As a reference point, the poster often refers to the Cards’ 5-10 record against the Brewers or 7-7 record against the Pirates. They point to our high number of blown saves or inability to score runs after the 3rd inning (both of which are true, of course).

If we’d only …, we’d be heading to the playoffs!

I’m not going to spend any time trying to figure out if this stuff is true. Sure, if we hadn’t blown so many saves or scored more runs in the middle innings, we’d have a few more wins and wouldn’t be 5 ½ games behind the Brewers. If we’d played better against the Pirates or Brewers, maybe the Brewers would be chasing us right now.

There have been too many games where we‘ve been beaten by terrible pitchers in games like this one or this one or this one. That’s why we’re going to be watching the playoffs on TV. We’ve squandered far too many chances this year.

These, of course, are not actual quotes and I’m certainly not trying to call anyone out or mock anyone but I thought I’d use this Sunday morning to try and put things in perspective a little. It just seems as though there’s been an awful lot of hand-wringing of late about how the Cards, through their mistakes and poor play at times, have played themselves out of the playoffs. The idea seems to be, from many, that we’ve given it away. We’ve lost it; the Brewers haven’t won it (though I know it’s not over yet) and the Cards are going to regret not winning those games or beating those bad pitchers or blowing those leads or whatever. Or, the other sentiment is that we’ve been unusually plagued by injuries and bad luck and the gods just didn’t smile on us this year. In fact, we’ve been cursed while others have been rescued. If the injury bug had treated us fairly, it’d be us in the playoffs, dammit!

All this strikes me as pretty odd. I mean, I hate a bad loss as much as the next guy and I really hate losing to the f-ing Astros, but sheesh. The Cards right now are at 74-62, a win % of .544. Luck? No. Our Pythagorean record is 73-63. This is, legitimately, how well we’ve played. We’re not the ’07 Mariners masquerading as a pretty good ball club. We’re on a pace to win 88 games. Even if we play the final 26 games at .500, 13-13, we’ll win 87 games. I ask you this – going into the season, would you have taken 88 wins? I would have. If I would have told you that we’d be entering the final month w/ a chance to win 90 games, would you have believed me? Careful now…’cause I know the answer!

Back in March, we all put in our vote for how the NL Central teams would fare this season and AZ put together the community projections for the season. Conventional wisdom, among Cards’ fans here at VEB, was that the Cards would win a grand total of 78 games. I’m not sure what my vote was but I am sure it was fewer than 81 wins. I’d bet it was somewhere between 75 and 78. (For those of you who find me to be the community pessimist, that fact will hardly surprise you.) But we don’t know anything, right? Everyone else knew the Cards would be pretty good this year, right? Yeah, right. PECOTA had us at 74 wins and CHONE had us at 75. You’d expect fans to have a higher opinion of the team than the stats guys would but, as poorly as we did, we’re going to be closer to the truth than the stats guys.

So what’s the point? Despite all the hand-wringing, this has been a pretty damned good season. What did you expect? Careful ‘cause I know the answer. The highest projected win total by the VEB community was 89 games. That was the highest. Someone thought we’d win 68! Well, they were right. We did win 68. Then we won #69 on August the 15th!!!!!!!

Have we suffered injuries? Of course, but hasn’t everyone? Don’t we every year? But Carpenter is hurt! Did you really expect much from him this year? I didn’t. Ditto Mulder. Albert got hurt and missed a grand total of 13 games – not a crippling loss. We’ve missed Wainwright, to be sure, and probably Tyler Johnson. Ankiel’s been banged up. Don’t even give me that Duncan’s missed most of the season b/c he stunk when he was healthy anyway. We’ve been better off w/ Skip and Mather. Izzy got hurt! See Duncan, Chris. The man turns 36 next weekend. It shouldn’t have been that surprising.

Troy Glaus played 115 games last year for the Jays. He played game #131 yesterday. Yadi played 111 games last year and played game #112 yesterday. We should get 30 starts from Kyle Lohse, Braden Looper, and Todd Wellemeyer. If we’d said that back in March, we might’ve thought we’d lose 90. Instead, we’ve got an outside chance at winning 90 b/c they’ve been anywhere from above-average to pretty damned good.

Skip proved that, despite his shortcomings against lefties, he’s definitely a big-league ballplayer. Granted, he’s probably a 4th OF on a really good team but you can’t say he hasn’t been better than any of us expected. Aaron Miles, despite all his warts, and I’ve documented many of them ad nauseum, has had his best season. Ankiel’s proven that he’s a legitimately good major league outfielder. This was not at all certain at the beginning of the year as he entered the season w/ a grand total of 286 career major-league PA’s. He’s improved his ability to recognize pitches and improved his walk rate from 6.8% to 9.1%. This, in turn, has improved his ability to hit. Last year he swung at pitches outside the strike zone 37.2% of the time. This year it’s down to 30.6%. He has tons of power, is a legitimate major league CF and is improving at the plate. There was no way we could’ve been certain at the beginning of the year that he would be anything better than a 4th OF.

Do I need to say anything at all about Ryan Ludwick? How about the trade of Rolen for Glaus? Do I need to prove that signing Kyle Lohse in March to a 1 year, $4.25 M contract has worked out pretty darned well? Or that the conversion of Wellemeyer from reliever to starter has gone well? He was May’s NL pitcher of the month and has been better than Roy Oswalt, Ted Lilly, Javier Vazquez, Mark Buehrle, Josh Beckett, and A.J. Burnett. We’ve discovered that Joe Mather is probably a player and that Kyle McClellan is definitely a player. We’ve found our closer and our #1 starter (in case we weren’t sure about the latter). Jaime Garcia and Brian Barton didn’t embarrass themselves as rookies and have indicated that they can probably help us in the future. Mitch Boggs was voted the best pitching prospect in the Pacific Coast League. Oh, yeah -- and, Albert Pujols has once again proven himself to be the best player in the game.

Yes, I know this team has its warts. The middle infield situation is really bad. Pineiro’s contract is really bad but he is just signed for 1 more year. It’s not like we’ve got Carlos Silva for 3 more or Barry Zito for 5 more! Our young starters may not quite be ready and Colby Rasmus’ season has been more down than up. Duncan’s gone from power hitter to a guy who may never play again and, if he does, might belong at Memphis. But this team’s come a hell of a long way this year. I really don’t expect them to make up the 5 ½ game deficit in the last month but, even if we don’t, it’s been a damned good season.

We can talk all we want about "What if (this)" or "If only (that)" but the truth is that more good has happened to the Cards than bad. For every bad loss that we’ve had b/c we didn’t hit someone like Shawn Chacon or we had too many errors or the bullpen imploded, the benefits we’ve received from Schumaker or Ankiel or Ludwick or Glaus or McClellan or… have been MUCH greater. It’s not even close!

There will always be games we lose that we should’ve won. Hell, in 2004 we won 105 games and lost games started by Dave Burba, Glendon Rusch, and were shut out by some guy named Jung Bong! That’s a pitcher, not what our hitters had for the pre-game meal! There will always be games where we make errors or where the pen implodes but this team’s going to finish at least 8 games better than the vast majority of us expected. Though we likely won’t make the playoffs, we’ve really got something to build on for next year and beyond. The key, of course, is to make the correct decisions that help us build for 2009 and beyond, and not JUST for 2009. But there’s a pretty good foundation here. I don’t think there’s anyway to NOT look at this season as an unqualified success in St. Louis.

Sure, it’ll be disappointing to watch the Brewers and Cubs in the playoffs. There’ll be a 50/50 chance that one of them will play in the World Series. But it’s been a great season in St. Louis and I’m excited for what next season might bring. I wouldn’t have said this at the end of last season. Now we’ve just got to finish strong and let the chips fall where they may. But if we finish in the upper-80’s in wins and are left out in the cold, it’ll be silly to blame injuries or Izzy or Pujols’ 3 K game or the fact that we lost to the Pirates 7 times.

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Great post HC!! My opinion is....

for the first time in many years the NL Central is the best division in the NL. And for once there are actually 2 teams that are better than us in this division that was once known as the Comedy Central. I’m not going to lie…the Cubs and Brewers are both better than us and their records show it.
Yeah we would be in first place in the NL West and 1 game back in the NL East…but those are the breaks. It was only a matter of time before a team or teams in the Central dominated the NL besides us for awhile. How many years did we dominate this division (2002, 2004, 2005) or barely take it because all the other teams in the Central were pretty shitty (2001, 2006).
Yeah I’m not going to be thrilled that it looks like we will not make the playoffs for two years in a row but considering how good this team has done from what I was expecting I’m not going to get too mad about it either. And to be frank, I think we are going to have strong competition from the Cubs for the next few years as well so next year is no shoe-in. But I think this team is a few IF pieces a starter and a couple of bullpen pieces away from getting into the playoffs next year..we will have our shot at October again real soon in my opinion. I can’t say that for the Pirates, Reds, Astros and even the Brewers for 2009.

by KYCards on Aug 31, 2008 4:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

But I’m still bitter about this season. Maybe it’s because I came into it strangely optimistic, but I thought we were gonna make a run and if we had back just HALF the blown games, we’d be sitting so pretty right now.

I’m bitter. We should be contending for the Wild Card, not 5.5 games back of it.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something."

by Andie203 on Aug 31, 2008 4:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can hear what you're saying too.

The losses and blown saves to the Brewers this year will eat at me all winter. It’s a shame really, if the Brewers had shown a little class with their wins I might not feel so mad about it and might have actually rooted for them this October seeing as how they have not been to the playoffs since 82. But their total lack of class makes it all sting a little more I guess. It’s ok though..they better make the most of their chance because I don’t think they will come close to sniffing October for a few years after this season.

by KYCards on Aug 31, 2008 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think it’ll be cards and cubs for the next 2 years at least, which should be fantastic. I think the Brew Crew will lose both Sheets and Sabathia to free agency. I have a feeling that Yankee payroll is going to balloon once again and that might mean both Sheets and C.C. in pinstripes.

Nick Stavinoah = John Gall

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 31, 2008 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blown saves...

If anybody points blame at anything it should be this. I’m not upset about 7-7 against the pirates or injuries or anything else for that matter. The fact is, the team stuck with not 1, but 2 guys in the closer role that couldn’t get the job done. However, even if we had those games back in the win column, the brewers would still be hot on our tail and I think they’d catch us anyway. The Cubs and Brewers are both really good teams this year, and there is no shame in losing out to them, no matter how much it pisses us off.

I’m really excited about next season, which is more than I could say coming into this one. I think I had the cards pegged for around 78 wins or so this year, so it was definately a more enjoyable ride than I thought it would be, though filled with a lot of screaming at the TV after about 9 pm or so.

I’m done hoping for this year., I’d rather the Cards just expand the rosters and see what the young guys can do. Even if we go 6-20 the rest of the year we’ll just get a better set of draft picks (although, as dumb as it is, this could cost Albert his 2nd MVP).

Nick Stavinoah = John Gall

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 31, 2008 8:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The blown saves still hurt

Not because we sent guys out who got beat, but because TLR ran Izzy out there over and over, when he couldn’t compete, much less dominate. Then the same thing with Franklin. Maybe Perez wasn’t an option early on, but we could have tried out Springer, or K-Mac. I’d feel better about the blown saves if most of them weren’t from Izzy and Franklin.

Other than that, there’s not much to complain about. Our offense played really well, at least I thought so, and the starting pitching was phenomenally better than I thought it would be.

At the end of the season though, this year has been a load of fun, and I for one don’t feel cheated by the team like I did last year. Injuries happen, other teams spending and trading out the wazoo happen, and sometimes a decent team loses to the frickin Pirates and Astros. Hard to complain about a season where we, the fans, had fun and were extremely entertained, since that is baseball’s biggest value to us.

by fuegophil on Aug 31, 2008 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes yes yes yes yes yes

Yes yes yes!

Of course it’s disappointing to be a contender all year and then see what appears to be our dwindling chances finally end (although, it’s not over until we are mathematically eliminated! for those optimists out there) but I think it is important to remember that there was little to expect this year. We had so many question marks, and it was made clear that it was a rebuilding year.

The fact we had (have?) a playoff run should be viewed only as a positive, not as an excuse to whine about raising low expectations and then crushing them.

Besides, this year has been a cakewalk (imo) compared to the emotional roller coaster of ’07. This is what I wrote last fall about that seasons highs and lows:

HIGH: Win World Series!
LOW: Manager arrested for DUI during Spring Training
LOW: Lose #1 Starter after one game pitched
LOW: Relief pitcher killed in car accident
LOW: Utility player voluntarily enters rehab for substance abuse problem
LOW: Stints on disabled list by shortstop, center and right fielders, most of pitching staff, and catcher
HIGH: Triumphant return of player who imploded during his first career in the Majors (leads to team surge in the standings and another chance at the division title)
LOW: Possible career ending injury inflicted to on-deck batter by a foul tip from his own teammate
LOW: Season ending injuries to starting 2nd baseman, 3rd baseman, left fielder
LOW: Cinderella story tainted by allegations of steroid use
LOW: Seven game losing streak (coinciding with worst road trip for team in 35 years) on the heels of clawing back into contention for division title

Tell me how this year has even come close to that drama!?!??

"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh

by CurtainCall on Aug 31, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the perspective HC

It is always hard for me to see the full part of the cup and you have laid it out quite nicely. This season has exceeded expectations and we have at least made it to the start of football season. Go Tigers!

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 31, 2008 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Something halfway original is your goal?

this post was filled with a bunch of nothing. you say we have figured out who can play and who can this season. yes, and doesnt that happen very year? don’t all the readers on this board already know that?

Others seem to like your post but i dont get it at all. just a bunch of rattling on and on about nothing, with out a main point at all.

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Aug 31, 2008 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Without a main point?

How about this:

“But it’s been a great season in St. Louis and I’m excited for what next season might bring.”

He enumerated all the ways this season has exceeded everybody’s expectations (including yours, I am guessing). Christ, I’m not going to rehash his entire post.

There are times that being a baseball fan is about more than craving championships. It helps to appreciate the excitement and beauty of the game that is manifested dozens or even hundreds of times over a 162-game season. I understand disappointment. That’s part of being a fan, too. But perspective helps get you through that disappointment sometimes.

by Youneverknow on Aug 31, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if you only consider championships, this team looks a lot closer now than it did six months ago.

by greenback06 on Aug 31, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose this time I failed, gossard

It happens. Thanks for your valuable insight.

by chuckb on Aug 31, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't please everyone I guess...

FWIW, I loved it and appreciate all the work that you RB Azru and of course LB put into it making this the best team blog out there! Thanks fellas!

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 31, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah Humbug

There is a reason the first thing I read in the morning is Viva, It is because each day you guys put a new thread worth reading. I really appreciate everything you guys do for all of us.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 31, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gossard, what's so original about anything you have to say?

have you ever added a worthwhile insight to this board? i sure can’t think of one.

by lboros on Aug 31, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im sure you've closely kept up with my posts.

and who knows, maybe i havent. but im not a lead article poster on here. i do remember having a fan post with well over 100 comments that got moved to the recommended viewings list. don’t you lboros make that decision to move them there?

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Sep 1, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Larry has nothing to do with recomended posts

Recommended posts, get recommended by the community. Once a post gets 5 “recs” then it goes to the Recommended section.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Sep 1, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding post...

This season has been a lot more fun than I anticipated it being.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Aug 31, 2008 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post, HC

Think this has been a great season and am excited that the Cards answered so many questions going forward. I just wish there were some any answers to the MIF dilemna.

by njnick on Aug 31, 2008 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When I read your comment...

…at first I saw “MILF dilemna.”

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Aug 31, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the '70s

the post all star break west coast round swing always seemed to be the pin that popped the Cardinals’ contender bubble.

Lately (and this may be a misperception based on a thankfully small sample size) it seems to me like it has been a late season critical series loss at the hands on the Astros.

The Cards were not expected to be good this year, even by us. Instead they were good enough to be frustrating. Good enough to contend, not good enough to win. That the modus operendi of defeat was often the bullpen, the only area of the team not named Pujols that was considered a strength of the ballclub heading into the season, has added to the frustration.

My pessimistic side thought the ‘contender’ ended when we fell out of the wild card spot. The strongest argument that this version of the Cards were a playoff caliber team started with the words “If the season ended today….”

Once they became the chasers rather than the chasees, alot of things were going to have to go right for this franchise, especially on the injury front (a rarity of late) in order to catch the Cubs or Brewers who on paper look to be superior teams. That hasn’t happened.

Many question marks have been answered, but many remain. Even with the seemingly endlessly varied discussions of “should we replace skip with……Bonds, Holliday, Nady, Duncan, etc” . The OF as a unit has been the NL’s best at the plate. Glaus has proved the thought that his career would resurrect on natural grass correct. Yadi has developed into an approximation of a league average offensive player to go with his superb defense. Pujols remains Pujols (or if you will, looking at ‘most similar by age’ for every year of his career, the answer to the question “Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio?”)

Carp Wainwright Wellemeyer should be counted on for the rotation next season. Many young arms have proved they could be of value on the mound or in trade.

we lack major league options at short and 2nd and seemingly have no internal answers on the horizon. We have no lefty reliever thats both healthy and worth bringing back.

by vances law on Aug 31, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It does seem like we are ripe for one of those glorious

8 game losing streaks that these recent teams have been prone to. Could even be worse with the schedule we have coming up, 3-ARI, 3-FLA, 3-CHC. Cardinals could be staring up at the Astros come September 12th.

And, if they finish behind Houston, say what you will but this season will be a HUGE disappointment. Preseason prognostication or not, no one expects you to show up to the dance with the prom queen but when you do, you damn well better start dancing or no one will care that you ‘got her there’.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 31, 2008 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats exactly how i feel

no one expected the Cards to contend, but when they do & then they fail, it’s bothers everyone a lot more than if they had never played well in the first place. thats where all the “if onlys” and “what ifs” come from.

they had a chance. and they blew it. and that hurts. that really, really hurts.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 31, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: cubs/brewers 50:50 shot @ the world series

Thanks, this made me lose my breakfast! Apparently I was trying to repress this fact.

As much as I dislike the brew crew more than the cubs this year I think iwould rather have them win the world series over the cubs. If the cubs won the WS it would be the worst thing ever in baseball (/melodramatics)

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 31, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post HC!

I like reading your stuff, mostly because it can really strike up some good conversation/debate.

I remember thinking that you were totally out to lunch with your Rasmus/Schumaker post, but it drew a lot of responses early that morning.

I think this post does a great job of describing how most of us are feeling about the season, and I’m sure it will get a ton of comments too. Good work!

by mikeonthecards on Aug 31, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post HC

Tho I could have done without the rip on pitchers with foreign-sounding (in this case Korean) names.

More importantly tho, I am in total agreement from you. In what was suposed to be a rebuilding year— as forecast by the fans, if not declared by the club— we have had more than our fair share of surprises and the club has wildly exceeded most of our expectations. To me anything much beyond 81 wins or so is gravy.

I still may be wrong on this one, but my bigger regret of the season was that management didn’t cash in on their winning Lohse Lottery ticket.

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Aug 31, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean any offense

it’s just a guy no one’s ever heard of and he shut us out in our 105 win season. Didn’t mean to offend.

by chuckb on Aug 31, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anytime you're in contention

even if you aren’t supposed to be there, and then collapse…..it’s a big disappointment. That’s understandable and it’s human nature to ask “what if?” To those who say, “oh, well, we did better than expected. Overall, it’s been a good season,” hey, that’s a loser mentality. You play to win – period. Ask TLR if he’s happy with a third place finish in the division.

Having said that, I think most of us will look back at this season with more positive than negative memories. For me, I’ll remember the great work by a bunch of mediocre starting pitchers, the rise of Yadi into a .300 hitter, the emergence of Ludwick and – hopefully – Chris Perez, Ankie’s two throws in Colorado….and a bunch of other good stuff.

My main bad memory was all those blown saves in May by Izzy in which the coaching staff just didn’t want to admit the man was washed up. I knew it would come back to haunt us, but I’d rather not dwell on that stuff. It will really annoy me if we wind up with a better record than some lame NL West team and they get in the playoffs, and we don’t.

 Oh, well…..we weren’t the best team two years ago and won it all…..so things even out. It’s been a fun – and, yes, frustrating – season (with more to come!).

by ccthemovieman on Aug 31, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First Off Season

That I will be visibly upset if ownership doesn’t open it’s wallet up and sign a major FA. The last couple years the Free Agency list has been weak. No point to overpay for crap so I didn’t blame them. This upcoming off season though their will be quite a few quality players worth chasing especially starting pitching.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 31, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand what you're saying, but .....

I can’t help being disappointed. The probability of reaching the post season at the start were slim, but they played better than expected, so my expectations changed accordingly. In my mind, they let a real possibility slip. Sure, in March I would have signed up for 85 wins, but at this point that doesn’t feel so good anymore. Look at it like this: If you set yourself a goal, and reach it ahead of time, you go for the maximum, right? You set yourself a new goal. And if you don’t reach that new goal, you’re disappointed. Apparently the original goal set was too low. That’s why I see this season, although better than expected in March, as a missed opportunity.

by Woodwork on Aug 31, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this club needs to taste the playoffs

In the spring, I thought: these boys need to get playoff experience. When we get our new lineup(s) in the off-season, it’s not going to be the same mix, or exactly the same chemistry. Playoff experience honed a lot of our young/new hands, guys who are now leaders in the clubhouse, and I’d argue that this is just as important a component of a rebuilding year as winning 88 games. Especially since it’s been relatively in reach for so long.

That’s my disappointment. Even if they lost in the first series, this club — with and without injuries — was playoffs-ready for a very long time. I wanted very badly for the young guys to get that experience before shuffling them hither and yon. But hey, maybe that scrappiness I saw in the first couple of months isn’t there now, and if so, it’s a helluva missed opportunity.

(And if that lack counts against Pujols getting more well-deserved acclaim, that’ll be extra bitter.)

- Y.2.2

by Yadi2Second on Aug 31, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that said

I’m on a budget and I’ve never attended so many home games. Definitely a season to remember!

- Y.2.2

by Yadi2Second on Aug 31, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a little premature...

but I think this may be the season many of us look back upon and say “that was the changing of the guard, and the start of a string of great seasons for the cardinals…”
Last year was so frustrating because of the sense of futility and inevitability that were projected onto this current season. The guys who had been the face of the franchise (save albert) for multiple years were getting older, were banged up, were overpayed. Our rotation was in shambles (save for wainwright), our bullpen was less than inspiring, our offense was albert plus an absurd number of question marks…
Now, within sniffing distance of a 90 win season, there is nothing but promise for next year. More bad then good is coming off the books, the youngsters look strong and major league ready (i’ll pencil in Perez for 30+ saves next year…), the offense will probably again boast 4 players that (barring serious injury) could all hit 25 HR’s, and at least two guys with 40 HR potential… and that’s without Rasmus.
the future looks real rosy, and I feel fine suffering through a cubs/brewers october with the knowledge that the Cardinals should be back in contention for a title for a number of years to come…

by duncans_army on Aug 31, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

strung out

i’m on board with the early success not being sustainable and how disappointing it has been to watch us fade down the stretch. contrary to what was said above, i feel our issues start at the top. i believe that mo gets a “B” and tlr etc a “C”, at best. with “A” performances from both, we’d be worrying about who we play in the play-offs. this leads me to have limited optimism for next year because the misplayed pieces and, of course, the pieces themselves remain in place. having colby around all next year won’t cure the problems. i fear there is something fundamentally wrong with the atmosphere created by management that allowed/induced cd, iz, mm, carp, etc to keep playing and costing us or remain mythical saviors, and you can add upper management’s inability/refusal to provide better pieces as equally culpable (not to mention the one we are paying to play well for the cubs). internal solutions to our deficiencies aren’t going to cut it in terms of catching the brewers or cubs. we were fading long before cc or harden found new homes and the internal fixes did not stop the slide. in addition, one potential internal fix was blown up and is now wining for the indians. i find it hard to believe we maximized their impact. the positives are nice, but these are players achieving. because of management or in spite of them is an interesting question with no way to determine for sure what the answer, but should stir some debate, healthy or not, this winter.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Aug 31, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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