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nice ground out

by the most feared pinch hitter in the game

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify for Joe Morgan

the balk was called because the pitcher stepped toward home plate.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's an epic signature

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

I’ve always loved that “quote”. Not sure exactly what the hell it means, but it’s creative as hell

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert

Bomb coming up!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's go Albert!!!!

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1 for 11

after this AB

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

luddy on deck

let him do it if they wont pitch to you

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't think they want to face Luddy

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A wild pitch would be fine by me here

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 3, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, 3-0 Albert

Do not swing at something a foot out of the zone this time

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

walk is a good as a hit Albert

take it

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3-0

TAKE ALBERT!

Please!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you, Sir.

Luddy, my heart is runnin 90 to nuthin right now! Make us proud!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LETS GO LUDDY

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NICE

I’ll take the walk. I’ll take it.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

unbelievable

talk about being scared.

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aight Ludwick

Just find a gap

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Walk Albert to get to Ludwick. That seems to make a lot of sense to me.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok Luddy

time to be patient with the bases juiced. None of that swinging at balls in the dirt crap

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UGGGGGHHHHHHHH

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

patience

is a virtue.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was a meat fastball

right in the middle, belt high

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no dp not dp no dp

oh well

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn.

Didn’t see that coming.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Goddammit!

That really blows. That really, really blows.

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK man seriously

You called me out earlier for saying “doing his girlfriend” because there are kids here, and then you drop a GD bomb and say something blows? You’ve got to be kidding me.

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

redbird is right

you are being a hypocrite

by 916baller on Aug 3, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

first pitch swinging

with the bases loaded, down by 3.

i dont like it, no sir, I dont like it.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

down by 2

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 3, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

hurried fingers dont translate too well.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't even have time

to take that situation in.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

too aggressive for sure

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LUD! HOW COULD YOU????

HE’S THROWN 4 STRAIGHT BALLS & YOU ARE FIRST PITCH SWINGING????

mother of ass

you gotta make him throw strikes man

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it was right down the pipe

make him throw strikes? that’s what he got.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would you jump OUT OF THE WAY so the other team can throw!!!

bull shit.

A guy at a bar says to the bartender bring me a big pitcher full of beer. The bartender comes back with Sidney Ponson.

by GOcrazyFOLKS87 on Aug 3, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that

If Mather like knocked that ball down on purpose, would they call it two outs?

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did he not watch albert's at bat??????????

a walk’s a run afterall

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

it was right down the pipe, he was clearly sitting on that pitch.

and frankly Luddy has been our entire offense tonight.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well we have that going for us at least

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm a little worried about him

it’s been 5 whole minutes since we’ve had an update.

last we heard he was pooping. i hope every thing come out OK.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he forgot his fiber supplement

so it didnt go to well, he is like 64 right

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not upset at Luddy swinging at that

It was a good pitch to hit

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Goodie...now we get to face Manny & the suddenly hot hitting Dodgers

this next week & a half is going to be our undoing I’m afraid.

by KYCards on Aug 3, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Luddy, you suck.

Ludwick, why are you such a free swinger? Why couldn’t you take the first pitch? I mean, the guy’s thrown 4 straight balls, and all you gotta do is take it for a ball, then he gets nervous and throws you a hanging, get-my-over curveball that you hit into Big Mac Land?? AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

think maybe he was trying to or even ordered to throw those 4 balls?

TLR preaches an aggressive approach in RBI situations. It’s one of the things that put Kerry Robinson in the doghouse.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't understand you man

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you fucking serious?

You’re bitching about a guy who has a double and a hr, and has been pounding the ball the entire past week?

Who cares if it was four straight balls, that was purposeful, it was to Albert Fucking Pujols. Like they are going to give him a stroke

The ball was down the pipe, if he didn’t swing then that’s when you bitch, not for that.

Jeebus

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet he sucked earlier, too

When he hit a double and a homer, both on first-pitch fastballs.

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

why we really can’t compete for the wc

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even so

best of best you get a hit one in three times. a walk is no risk rbi. make him work

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izturis may suck

but his arm is a hell of a lot better than Miles. Up 3-1 of Izturis is playing short.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why does Miles play so much SS when we have Ryan AND Izturis?

I’ve never heard Tony answer this.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 3, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony answers to no one Val.

C’mon. you know better than that.

by azruavatar on Aug 3, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OBP

Miles: .354
Kennedy: .313
Iz2: .300
Ryan: .296

by tomsteele on Aug 3, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's just talking about defense

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Miles at 2B is fine. Then put one of Ryan/Izturis at SS. It just makes so much more sense to do it that way.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is just sad.

I live in Milwaukee, so my friends are gonna give me hell,

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boo Hoo

I live in Chicago.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet another first pitch disaster

How many times have we seen that this year. We’ve had the patience to get a lot of walks early but when th game is on teh line late we’re first pitch hacking and invariably, first pitch “outing”. Madsen just throws 4 balls, granted it’s to APu. Ludwick was overeager. Maybe he felt that Madsen would try to hard to make a strike after the four balls. But so what, take a pitch, make him pitch to you….

TLR needs to institute a fine for this.

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 3, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you really think about it...

The last time Luddy swung at the first pitch, he hit one 410 feet. Since he’s just thrown four balls, that’s exactly why he’s swinging, because he knows that he’ll throw a get-me-over meatball at about 90 mph,so he can hammer it again. That’s acually a good decision.

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever it is

i hope it keep working

nice inning Frank

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the killer tonite

hitting in to like 4 double plays!!! talk about a rally killer that’s the villian tonite

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by elirock83 on Aug 3, 2008 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The killer is that Wellsie finally found his old ways back again

and it was completely wasted

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 3, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

welly, not looper

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the bright side....

Franklin might be “turning the corner.”

by stanchar on Aug 3, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather he turn into that.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

He destroyed that.

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

santa

OFF THE POLE !<img src="#$" alt="" />#$$!@

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SANTA!!!!

That Pujols non-walk is looming large right about now

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OH HELL YEAH TROY!!!!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TROY!

WAY TO MAN UP BUDDY!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm

a Luddy sac fly would’ve been nice.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

take a pitch luddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give troy a chance

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what to learn from that AB.

spit on the slider and swing at the fastball.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he'e just like a knuckle baller

if it’s high let it fly. if it’s low let it go

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

luddy looked like he got too excited

a belt high fastball almost same location as the hr earlier. after simmering on it, you cannot fault him for that was a gift for a fan in the stands; he just got too excited and missed it. its a shame though that he made such poor contact and after that glaus hr it hurts more cause he couldn’t get a base hit or sac fly

by 916baller on Aug 3, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm really surprised Lidge threw that right there

On the previous pitch it was pretty apparent Glaus was looking fastball

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that better not just be a tease

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Molina (out), Miles, and Stache?

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn

that looked food off the bat by Yadi.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mmm food.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he hit that ball a long way

come on yadi

oops make that miles

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 3, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lidge lookin shaky

after the Santa bomb.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now in this situation, with hopefully lessons learned

if Molina gets on, I’d let Rick bat again

that’s just being optimistic though

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was the farthest ball he's ever hit.

Now, if only SOMEONE had gotten in a run with ONE OUT and the BASES LOADED, that could be a walk-off.

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nooooooo

it would have tied the game

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't kid yourself

flying out is harder than you think.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, let’s keep bitching about Luddy

Oh, by the way, if it wasn’t for him…

we’d be down by 3 right now, not one

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we get it

you’re upset about luddy – but give it a rest. he’s already hit a HR and a double in this game. he missed a fastball. it happens

by TNTinCO on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of overeager....Grit that pitch wa 55 ft!

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Grit

YOU need to take a strike

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miles looked terrible on that first pitch

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you gotta get on Mini ME

you just gotta

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do NOT question the grit

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YEAH

come on Rick, dont get yourself out!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True Grit

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miles owns Lidge

always hits him.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Super Mario

is clutch again!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who are these assholes booing Miles?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miles sucks. He looks sick against Lidge.

Not much of a home run threat (or a threat at all.)

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yup

you can only win games on home runs.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PH Ank?

but won’t Lidge walk him to get to Iz2?

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He can bunt 'em over.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most closers like to not give free passes

They have the confidence to get anyone out

by 1brdon on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Rick!!

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Howard

you have saved our ass so many times today.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

holy hell what was that????

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

gogogogogogogogoogogogo

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FLY BALL TIES IT

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FLY BALLL TIES IT

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or squeeze

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so

how about that sac fly?

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

I just realized David Price hasn’t lost a single game in the minors yet.

Man, I wish he was in our system. That would be awesome.

Also—go Rick. I wish you could run better, but we’ll take that.

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha, random

but yes, it’s true. He’s going to be spectacular.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and a

k/9 rate of over 8 to boot.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pineiro is the pinch runner

oh, heck!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

too bad

dp still in order

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by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Squeeze play?

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not with the lefty.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he can just switch to righty

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that wouldn't be to obvious.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they thought he would do it anyway

then take it off, mess with them

huge mind games, he cant hit from either side

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Rick could have made it to 2nd.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm. we could have bases loaded, tie game, 2 outs and AP at bat

that’s a scenario I’d like to see!

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will kill Tony if he tries some squeeze shit here....

but you know he’ll want to show the national audience how amazing he is…..it won’t work!

by stanchar on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not a bad call with Izturis at the plate

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes it is with him hitting lefty.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would've taken that

over making the rookies swing.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Howard

...got about two inches of air on that. No hops whatsoever with that man.

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh god iz2

please get r done

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by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM

GOSH

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AHHH CESAR

Wear it in the ribs! It’s the only way you’re going to get on while batting lefty!

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Iz2

you gotta take that in the side.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if Izturis gets a sac fly here

I will crap my pants, then not bitch about him for a week

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that was the pitch to bunt

change up

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know

maybe i should save the crapping for that

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

suppose to be a reply to Tackle Box

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what if he gets a hit?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1-1

Good count to squeeze on

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

iZ2 you suck so much

but if you get a hit here, i’ll lay off of you for a whole week

i swear

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'll let him off

for a fly ball

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah!

that was scary.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

c'mon Iz2,

make CardsWin proud.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just realized something.

Izturis is completely overmatched here.

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lidge not throwing FB here

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

except to HIT Iz2

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I WILL TAKE IT

no run in, but I will take that any day.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and with that said,

best health to him. Sorry, but my desire to win got ahead of my morals.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!!!!!!

Best result for us, as long as he isn’t hurt

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

eh

lol, jk

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was there any less needed description than ...

Miller’s “hit softly” about an Izturis swing.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lidge

is back, 2005 NLCS form!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE WAY IF HE WANTED TO

PERFECT

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please dont be hurt

but the team needed that

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by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that works too IZ2

way to take one for the team

you’re OK. walk it off man. walk it off

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch...

Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch…that caught him flush at 95+...

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

took it for the team

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lidge

doesn’t deserve this now. hitting iz2 is undeniably stupid

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stache and pitchers

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all you, Stav

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope he doesn't come out

We’d have to put Yadi or LaRue somewhere other than catcher

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That HBP nearly knocked Is2 over

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Aug 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

okay nick

just put it in the air. you can do this.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let's go Stav Infection

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good one.

add it to the list.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

STILL NEED A DEEP FLY BALL HERE

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Aug 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

repeat, Lidge cannot locate FB

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lidge carves up

rookies

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by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

COME ON, Stav

He’s overmatched.

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's making me puke with those swings.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

crap stav

easy bro. deep breath

by mbd1mbd1 on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

come on Nick the Stick!

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rookies versus Lidge...

I can’t say I feel great about Stav and Mather seeing a steady diet of Lidge sliders.

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

grande miles

has grit too

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by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All sliders so far

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

that was incredible plate discipline.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

at least

no DP

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ooph

All up to the Bomberman. If he walks, Pujols comes up

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

if he walks, the game is tied.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

steady diet.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

trying way too hard bro

it’s all up to Bombs now

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by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

look for the slider, Joey

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pathetic

looked like he’d never batted before

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by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lay off the rook

lidge is pretty good, remember?

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by themanthemyth on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blech

dangit stavinhoa

by azruavatar on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sO BRUTAL.....YOU KNOW HE'S GOING TO THROW SPLITTERS

THAT’S A REFLECTION ON YOUR HITTING COACH

by stanchar on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good thing you're not the hitting coach

Since Lidge doesn’t throw a splitter.

by mojowo11 on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have no idea what youre talking about.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its all on joey bombs

walk off slam?

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hell I'd take a walk-off bloop single

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont swing at the junk Bombs!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wp or passed ball

our best hope

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by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That blows.

Now we need a hit. As Dora would say, “Say it with me!”

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not gonna lie

I kinda wish Miles had run on Ankiel’s hit.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

this is terrible

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a situation for a rookie

-9th inning 2 outs
-Bases loaded
-1 run back
-In the playoff hunt

by 1brdon on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

two rookies

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mother of ass

stop swinging at the junk

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

depending on rookies

sucks

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if we had bonds hitting 2nd

we would have won….

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by Molina4MVP on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, Bomberman.

Dear Lord, I’m sorry for all the bad things I’ve ever done.

by GibbytheDog on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crappy loss

They got our hopes up twice and dumped on us

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's where rookies hurt us.

Mather was in a pretty bad situation, though, after the horrible AB from Stavinoha.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't see many sliders in Memphis

part of the learning process.

Again I say: all that separates us from the Phillies is a pen, Rollins, and Utley. Maybe just the Pen and Utley.

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where was Tony's button pushing there.

I’m kinda shocked he let two players who had never seen Lidge face him in a row. Of all the times to sit on your hands.

by azruavatar on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who else?

LaRue? Looper?

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who else was gonna bat?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LaRussa runs the bench out early

two rookies in a row end the game. I don’t feel a lot of sympathy for TLR there.

by azruavatar on Aug 3, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never feel sorry for LaRussa.

I was simply pointing out that Tony had already pushed all his buttons. As usual, he did it a little soon. He has really been overmanaging lately.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that was fun

two straight innings of only needing a FLY OUT, and we can’t do it. All we asked you guys to do was make an out that wasn’t swinging or in the infield—it wasn’t that much!

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 terrible ABs.

just terrible. same book on Lidge for years. and the sliders just mow em down.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

especially the kids.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he seems to be a bit split personality tonight.

You have to get the emotions under control, man. You are going to have a coronary at a young age.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and after apolozing for all the bad stuff youve ever done

you say that? wow.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dammit

you should not be able to record a save when you pitch that awful

by jheath on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

garcia really didnt deserve the loss there….that really sucked balls

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

should've swept

Had enough SP this series.

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd like to thank our outstanding hitting coach

for instilling in our young hitters the knowledge they need to be successful against a guy with only two pitches.

oh wait,,,,

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

It’s not like the guy has 31 straight saves or anything.

How about we direct our disdain where it belongs: the noodle arm backup 2B playing SS and the manager who loves him.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with gdm426

that noodle arm 2b was standing on 3rd ready to tie the game. The last two AB’s hurt worse.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah seriously HL

i’m surprised at your reaction. you’ve been one of Hal’s biggest critics here. you’re the last person i’d expect to defend him.

it’s his job to tell the rookies what to expect. and he didn’t do it.

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by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the flip side - Hal could have told them just that about the sliders

and they were just overmatched. You dont see pitches like that in Memphis.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this whole bash McRae thing is making my head hurt.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mine too

the man hasn’t done his job in 2 years. how he’s still employed is beyond me

those two kids had no chance up there & he didn’t do his job & try to help them out.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how could you really, help that situation out?

i mean seriously.

so you’re saying I could get a better bench coach to tell anyone how to hit lidge and they’d just do it?

look, we beat on lidge like a step child before, but make no mistake, his slider is drop dead nasty

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree that the approach looked bad

but, lets say he did ‘coach em up’. Mather is what you could call a free swinger – tongue in cheek. with his habits and the heat of the moment, its possible you could have replaced the Hardee’s sign with a neon – DONT SWING AT THE SLIDER – and he still might have poked at it.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?

were you in the dugout? In the pregame film session? Was he supposed to hit FOR them?

Drop the act. I don’t think you’re this dense. You’re obviously putting on an act and the act has worn thin and is extremely tiresome.

Good night. I’m outta here.

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by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appoligize for the dense comment

but I truly believe you are just mad and are looking for someone to blame. Who better than the hitting coach? Whatever.

And if it’s not an act, then I don’t know what to say. Was I ticked about the outcome? Yeah, but I think blaming the hitting coach for the performance of 2 rookie hitters is misguided. Maybe my comment was out of line, I don’t know. I apologize if I spoke out of line.

Sorry. I didn’t mean the dense comment as a shot. I think you are a thoughtful poster who has decided to blame the wrong person in an effort to find someone to blame. Hopefully it was done more out of confusion than spite. And I hope you can accept my apology.

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by Tackle Box on Aug 4, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i assume you are talking to me, if not, just ignore me

i accept our apology. and i take some blame in how you responded in the first place because i was not making my point clear. and i am sorry for that.

i’m not placing sole blame of this loss on Hal’s shoulders. far from it. i only fault him for what i rightly or wrongly, perceive at his inability to do his job & prepare hitters for their at bats. the Cards didn’t lose because of Hal. they lost because they allowed the Phillies to score more runs than they did. it was a team wide loss. heck both Lud & Albert failed to come through last night in big spots. they have much more experience than Stav Infection & Bombs. they must take some blame for that loss. old reliable Russ gave up the lead late in the game. he really must shoulder the load for the loss. we can question some of Tony’s moves as well. we can question Tadallions pitch selection. how dare he give up a solo home run! (that’s sarcasm folks)

so no, i’m not only blaming Hal. far from it. and as i said, if i learn he did in fact beat it into the kids heads to lay off the junk, i’ll eat whatever crow i have coming my way. this was such an important game, they all are. and for them to come so close to winning the game, and in the end lose it, i just have a hard time accepting it. that and the fact that they are flawed team, perhaps beyond repair, for this season at least.

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by gdm426 on Aug 4, 2008 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're one hell of a teacher.

You can impact a pupil in less than a week’s worth of time in order to cause him to forget his instincts and just do what you tell him, huh? Wow. They should pay you more.

Players have to execute. Mather was hosed when he fouled off the first pitch. The following two sliders were too close to let go, and too tough to hit. Stavinoha is not a ML hitter, yet. He has proven that since he’s been up, and he faced a guy that makes very, very, very good hitters look silly.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

news flash, i'm not MO. i'm not taking any bullets for the team

i get you all are pissed, but don’t take your anger out on me. i made some damn valid points & if you dont agree with me fine, but dont jump down my throat.

rigosnell, you could very well be right. but we didn’t see that happen. i’m going on past experience here when it comes to my criticism of Hal. i haven’t seen him talk to a hitter before his at bat in a key situation in years. if ever some kids needed an extra reminder to not swing at the junk it was in that 9th inning. if it comes out that he did indeed talk to the two kids, i’ll gladly eat some crow.

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by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, I'm not jumping down your throat, but ...

you can’t just blame coaching because two rookies with very long swings can’t hit one of the best sliders in baseball.

The best you are going to do with that last minute advice you are describing is to make the hitter tentative. The only chance either of them had was to let their instincts take over. Lidge throws damn hard, and neither of these kids have seen that level of pitcher enough to know, intuitively, what to do in those situations.

In addition, you can criticize McRae if you like; but LaRussa preaches an aggressive approach to those situations. Last night he was very clear that the Cards were too tentative. You think those two rookies didn’t hear that criticism? You think that those two rookies were going to stand by and watch strike three after last night?

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have to be aggressive, but you also have to be smart

Lidge leans on his slider in tight situations, and he throws it to inexperienced hitters almost exclusively when they face him the first few times. Hal should have told them that, they should have been ready for it.

i disagree that Hal reminding Stav Infection & Bombs to lay off the junk will do nothing but make them tentative. when one of your boss’s reminds you about an important aspect of your job, do you freeze up? for your sake i hope not.

they are both good hitters & they both can handle themselves. they have proven they have what it takes to hit big league pitchers, otherwise they wouldn’t be here. i highly doubt Hal giving them a reminder to lay off the junk would have freaked them out. had they seen a slider like Lidges before? i doubt it. but with all the video the Cards watch, i would hope they had seen it there & had been coached on what situations he throws it the most. i know watching it on video & actually standing in the box with the bases loaded, bottom 9, down by 1 run is a lot, i say A LOT different. but they still could have been & should have been better prepared.

and who’s job is it again to prepare young hitters? my point exactly.

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by gdm426 on Aug 4, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa whoa whoa
Hal should have told them that, they should have been ready for it.

I don’t think I’m the first to ask, but how do you know what Hal tells them and what he doesn’t tell them? Seems like a silly argument to me.

by jdub176 on Aug 4, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps my problem is i am expecting too much out of them

and Hal. as i said, i have no idea what Hal did or did not say to them. but to me, their at bats looked like those of kids who had no idea what was going on. who else do we point the finger at when this happens? i may be wrong, but i dont like how they looked. i think all hitters should walk up to the plate & have some idea of what to expect the pitcher will throw at them. young or old you have to be prepared. if not, you are doomed to fail.

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by gdm426 on Aug 4, 2008 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your points, but your expectations seem to be unrealistic.

As you stated, regardless of the advice, it is a much different thing to know that you should lay off a pitch and actually doing it.

Your analogy to my job is a pretty difficult one to make. Few of us that post here have jobs that are based so heavily on instinctive reaction versus cognitive decision. Few of us that post here have jobs that under such significant pressure on such an high profile stage. So, to try to compare my boss reminding me of an aspect of my job to being told to second guess my own pitch recognition just before going to bat in the bottom of the ninth in front of 40,000 fans is a drastic oversimplification, and I think you know it.

By your statements, no hitter should ever go through a protracted slump of any kind. After all, all he would need is for McRae to tell him to stop flying his front shoulder open. Or maybe to just watch the ball all the way into the mitt. There is no difference between that and telling a couple of rookies to not swing at a slider just before they go see it for the first time.

I really don’t see how you can make that claim.

by etp_stl on Aug 4, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was pretty much a team effort, here.

The only one that can’t really take any blame is Wellemeyer. He left with a lead. Everybody else pretty much made some kind of serious failure or mistake.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

in all fairness, you’re talking about two guys with barely a month’s experience trying to hit arguably one of the best sliders in the game…tough break tonight

by jheath on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no kidding

apparently no one bothered to tell them he throws nasty sliders. Just think if they knew that kind of information.

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by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope those aren't the same ones saying that coaches don't belong in the HOF.

Would seem to be a bit hypocritical to blame the coach here then, wouldn’t it?

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

two completely helpless looking ab's

from two undisciplined rooks. that makes me sick.

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by erik on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what a fucking terrible baseball game

and I can’t even blame this one LaRussa. This team just flat out sucks sometimes.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well,

i really dont know what to say. goodnight?

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Those last two AB's didnt lose the game for us

The game was giving away many other times with DPs

by 1brdon on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Albert takes that one ball back in the 4th inning or whatever

We’re headed to extras right now

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by gocards62 on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing about the rooks...

the people bashing them now are hopefully not the same people who were crying about selling the farm system for help now.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Terrible AB's by.....

our two rookies. I’m sorry, but Stav has no business being on the roster. Call up Barton, heck, call up Phelps or Rico.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not Rico

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling up Rico

either was sarcasm or a certain lack of understanding of our farm system.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rico would have put the ball in play.....

There is something to be said about having a more veteran (even if that doesn’t translate to experience) bat on your bench. You can’t keep calling on kids, kids that are all or nothing type hitters, to come through in pinch hitting situations. There is NO excuse for taking some of the cuts they took. We needed a sac fly, a base hit, anything, and they are trying to hit the ball 500 feet.

RIDICULOUS!!!!!

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 3, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Rico is possibly the worst player we’ve had this year. If you really would have rather had Rico batting than Joe Mather or Nick Stavinoha then I kindly disagree with you. I’ll take Mather or Stav every time.

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that situation.....

I take him every time over Stav, and might take him over Mather. Mather hasn’t figured out that you don’t have to hit a HR every AB. Sorry, but this is one of my biggest pet peeves. Mather knows he has a long swing, knows Lidge has a good fastball and a good, hard slider, and he is still swinging for the fence 3 times.

No excuse for that, other than bad baseball.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 3, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stavinoha didn't swing for the fences

he tried to hit the first pitch fastball strike that he got and it was still unhittable under his hands.

After that, the slider had him beat.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 4, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never ever swing at Lidge's first three pitches

He throws the slider 90% of the time in a high leverage situation, and it’s never in the zone. Just take it.

Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.

by Power Slurve on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to thank Russ Springer as well

for making me lose my final bit of hope in our bullpen. A homerun to shane victorino? really Russ?

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was his tenth of the year

It’s not like he let Cesar Izturis hit one

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not as bad as Cesar, but it is still bad

If you get beat by Shane Victorino, well…you sucked.

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by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not so taguchi!

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by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Ask Bill Wagner if So can hit one out

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs are officially running away with the division it would appear

not that I doubted they’d win it. But I was really hoping for it not to happen.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

still got the WC

only one game back.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

but that looks like a pipe dream at this point as well with our inability to win when mil loses

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by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?

they were four games up on us just a week ago.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

touche salesman.

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by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

gotta keep your spirits high! I know what a tough loss like this can do to a man.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 3, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That my friends

is the difference between Memphis and the Big Leagues. Both of our AAAA outfielders were overmatched like little leaguers facing high school pitching. It wasn’t fair.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

80% of MLB batters would be too

let’s demote them all!!

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really AAAA?

How about you give them a chance before declaring them AAAA. I’ve seen Lidge make future HOFer’s look stupid. Pretty dumb statement there chief.

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by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the kids were out of the frying pan & into the fryer

tonight thats for sure. can’t blame them for trying. at least they went down swinging.

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by gdm426 on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well thank goodness Mather has only been up for a month

we needed to keep trotting a half-crippled Chris Duncan out there to get his service time up.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4A?

ridiculous.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 3, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sometimes forget

isn’t Lidge like the best closer in the game right now?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 3, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares.....

Doesn’t mean you have to swing at his crap, and try to hit it 500 feet when a sac fly or base hit will do.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 3, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do you know they weren't trying to hit a sac fly?

Lidge’s slider makes batters look foolish. Go look at MOST of Pujols’ ABs against Lidge.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 4, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My angst is still on the 8th inning bp management

The rest I’m ok with. Two rookies can’t hit one of the best (if not the best sliders in the game), that’s ok. down the middle ball into a dp, that’s ok

removing k-mac when he has a kickass lhb split, idiotic

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It almost seemed as if Jamie AND Russ were rushed into the game

like they had no idea it was coming. K-Mac should have stayed in.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 3, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kmac should be our setup man anyway other than a few mistakes this year, hes proved he can get

outs. Springer coming into the situation, I dont argue, but Kmac should not have been pulled in the 1st place. I just cant take the pitching carousel innings that Tony does most of the time. Ill get hammered for this, but Tony lost that game in the 8th with the BP moves.

by buzzburton33 on Aug 3, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd argue Springer

in this context, we’re going to burn him out pretty quick. he should have the day off tonight

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In defense of my comment, Russ wouldnt have had to come in if Kmac was left in there,

but with all things considered in how things played out, I didnt have a problem with Russ there because he as been pretty reliable since May.

by buzzburton33 on Aug 3, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

just with his age and all I’m worried about burning him out by end of Aug

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lidge can't throw strikes

He let’s batters get themselves out by swinging at the slider. If you just lay the bat on your shoulder until he has to throw you a fastball, he’s eminently hittable.

Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.

by Power Slurve on Aug 3, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Lidge has been throwing strikes this year

which is why he has been vastly improved this year. When he can locate his slider for strikes, he’s down right filthy. That being said , we had him on the ropes tonight and let him go.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point but

it is hard to lay off that slider when it looks like it is right down the middle before dropping off the table. Truly nasty pitch. You would have to have a lot of experience to recognize it and not take a cut.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Aug 3, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just have to trust your scouting report

Anyone who watches him pitch knows he throws nothing but the slider when he’s in trouble, and he doesn’t locate it all that well. Just trust the book and you can get yourself in an advantageous position.

Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.

by Power Slurve on Aug 3, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a funeral at Busch on the radio

funeral music by Ernie Hayes….might be the funeral for our season tonight though. You just CAN’T loose a series like this an expect to be a wild card contender. It will take a miracle now for us to even THINK about sniffing October.

by KYCards on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh calm down

we’re still one game out.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 3, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

truly

The Brewers bullpen is not exactly lights out in case you ahvent heard.

by rlgosnell on Aug 3, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all off of one series?

wow. considering we just held one of the most potent offenses down to marginal runs, and were right in the mix during all three…

glad we’re so shitty though.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We play 10 straight games

vs LAD, CHC and FLA, in Chicago and Florida for those games.

Giving away games vs the Brewers, Braves and now Philadelphia adds up. We will be very lucky to not be 10 games out of the division and 5 back in the WC by the time we head to Cincy.

The Brewers on the other hand play Cincy, San Diego and Washington.

This was to be expected. I hope guys like Looper, Lohse, etc can pass through waivers for some deadline deals.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looper ain't worth crap to anybody else.....

And we’ll either resign Lohse, or get draft picks for him.

Quit giving up on the team. Actually, quit acting like a baby. If you truly thought our season was over, you wouldn’t be HERE every night.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 3, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone is throwing a tantrum tonight

We won’t get the two Type A picks for Lohse. We’d be much better off getting a known minor league player for Lohse.

Giving up on winning this season and not following the team are two different things.

But, continue your tantrum. 500 feet!!!!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 4, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

take a look at our schedule

it’s not going to be easy pickings for us anytime soon. You just can’t lose a series like this at home and expect that we are going to be serious contenders. If we could hit Cubs pitching I might be more hopeful. Yeah we can beat the weak teams like the Braves but we just can’t seem to win a series against any of the contenders since July.

by KYCards on Aug 3, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since that Mets series at the beginning of July

(a month now) we have been playing like a 3rd or 4th place team. We can beat the weak teams like the Padres and Braves but we end up going 1-2 against contending teams (Mets/Phils/Cubs) or even getting swept by the Brewers. Since early July we are not playing like a play-off contender. And this comes at the worst time becasue we are on a strech here where we are playing the best teams in the NL. Unless we find some kind of spark and our offense gets on a roll and we can win 7-8 games in a row…it’s going to be real tough for us.

by KYCards on Aug 3, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why did Russ suck so bad?

Pitching back to back days?

Rushed into action?

Boy did he suck hard….

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 3, 2008 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

because Russ Springer is not a 1.83 ERA pitcher

he was due for a blowup.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I WOULD like to thank Todd Wellemeyer

for a masterful performance tonight, same with Looper last night.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

silver lining

But I fear Wellemeyer’s May-like performance is going to increase the clamor for wainwright to the bullpen….

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 3, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd flip that

welly is making the case for him to be in the bp

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, ...

Pineiro’s performance is giving us reason for why Wainwright has to be in the rotation.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Saw it with my own eyes

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i meant welly in the bp, not waino.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 3, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but that means leaving Pineiro in the rotation.

I’d rather have Wellemeyer in the rotation right now.

by etp_stl on Aug 3, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't seem him as a bp pitcher anymore

seems like it usually takes him a while to get into a groove (tonight notwithstanding)

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 3, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Hopefully August is just as good for him as May was

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 3, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Ludwick

but man, 20 of his homeruns are of the solo variety. That’s ridiculous.

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by Raconteur on Aug 3, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Ludwick, too.

I’ll just leave it at that.

I’ve seen Pujols hit into some DPs in big situations, too. It happens. Unfortunately.

by Youneverknow on Aug 3, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Pujols went 0’fer in a series we lost by a combined 2 runs. Directing your anger at a guy that hit 4 HRs in 3 days seems silly.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 4, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to thank Troy Tulo

for sucking so hard at the beginning of the season and getting hurt that I cut him, only to have him WHITE HOT as we go along.

Thanks for that.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 4, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just got home from the memphis redbirds- sacramento river cats game

apparently the triple a can’t manage the bp in late innings…
p.j. walters took a one hitter to the 8th inning (10 K’s by the way, but 4 or 5 walks)- chris perez came in to finish the 8th and did a nice job-
but kelvin jiminez (which everyone knows is Spanish for suck) came in to close the game (why, really? jiminez?) and promptly gave up 3 runs to lose what had been a mostly well pitched game….
saw the crabman- he played right field- and didn’t look real comfortable, but he did score the first run of the game.

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 4, 2008 12:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kelvin Jiminez is spanish for suck

is that the same as Manny Corpas is spanish for ‘Sucks like Fuentes did’?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 4, 2008 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we want to have meaningful games in September

here is the way we will have to play for the rest of this month to have a chance of still being contenders the final month of the season.

Dodgers at home Take 2-3
Cubs at Wrigley Take 2-3 (A MUST)
Marlins at Miami Take 2-4 (A MUST)
Reds at Cincy take 2-3
Pirates at home sweep those 2
Atlanta at home take 2-3
Brewers at home sweep the 2 game series (A MUST)
Astros at Houston take 2-3

Basically we are going to have to win the rest of each series this month and can’t do any worse than going 16-7 or 15-8. If we can do this we will be in good shape going into the final month of the season with a good shot at the wild card. It’s going to be a big task for this team and they will have to play like they did the first 2 1/2 months of this season to do it. It’s not impossible but it will be real tough.

by KYCards on Aug 4, 2008 1:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We have 5 days off this month so that will be a big help

but these next 10 games will make or break us I have a feeling. If we get swept by the Cubs for example it will make it where we pretty much have to sweep out at home with the Pirates/Braves/Brewers series…especially the 2 game Brewers set. Loosing this series to the Phillies was really tough and it basically makes it now where we can’t afford to get swept or lose more than 1 series the rest of this month to really have a shot in my opinion.

by KYCards on Aug 4, 2008 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah....

That’s not gonna happen :(

by riotmute on Aug 4, 2008 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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