Off-day Hangover
I'm not opposed to off day's in principle but these specific offdays have been exceptionally boring. Boring to the point that they haven't offered up anything specific for me to rant write about so I thought we'd treat this pre-Labor Day Friday with a little levity. I'll talk more about the Astros series later this afternoon, but for now everyone put on your GM cap and lets build a team.
Simple game and everyone loves to play/bicker over the selections. We're just going to set up the foundation of the team picking 2 position players and 2 pitchers. (For the farm addicts pick 1 of each from the minors and 1 of each from the majors).
1). Albert Pujols - There were about 3 or 4 guys that I'd consider starting a team with and I almost wanted to pick several of them over Albert. Evan Longoria had a monster rookie year playing good defense at the hot corner. Troy Tulowitzki isn't far removed from his .291/.259/.479 campaign playing the best SS we've seen since Adam Everett. Both have had recent injuries (Longoria's very recent), that worry me a touch but they'd be excellent defendable choices in my opinion. The other player more Albert's age is Alex Rodriguez and there's probably a debate still to be had about which of those two is better although that argument is dwindling as ARod ages. Still at the end of the day, Albert may very well be entering his prime and is having the best year of his career thus far. He's still (unbelievably) only 28 and will hopefully have a long graceful aging curve. (Aside: Can he play through the elbow pain for his entire career?)
2). Matt Weiters - Do you know how difficult it was not to type Colby Rasmus name here? It was almost crippling. If I wanted to go with the long shot choice, I'd go with Elvis Andrus whom I think will be a decent offensive SS but a superb defensive one. He was part of the Mark Teixeira trade and is holding his own as a 20 year old in AA. Not a particularly safe bet though. [resists urge to change back to Rasmus] I really think Rasmus is the second coming of Grady Sizemore, who by the way is having an under appreciated season w/ 30HR and 30SB. I'm not going to discuss catcher defense because I remain very skeptical of its impact on the game but good catchers are hard to find. Wieters has the potential to be a great one with all the offensive tools: power, average, plate discipline, etc. Let's be clear, I'm a fan of Rasmus but if I get to pick whomever I want, I'll go with Weiters.
3). Roy Halladay - Age before beauty. . . where's Harangutang when you need him. There's quite a few younger pitchers that you could go for -- Lincecum, Lee, Haren [weeps] -- but Halladay is like a fine wine coming to fruition. He's pitched 200 innings the last three years in a row; if he makes 5 more starts this year he could easily get to 240 IP. What's amazing is that he's doing it all with a 3.00 FIP in the AL East. That's crazy good.
4). David Price - If I was bitter, I'd pick Rick Porcello here and let's just say that I made use of the backspace again. Porcello is having a great year for the Tigers but it's at A+ -- admirable for a youngster but there's a lot that can happen between A+ and the majors. I'm a believer and, while I'm (mostly) over the 2007 draft, David Price was the #1 pick overall last year and is already in AAA. He looks ready to contribute to a stacked Tampa Bay pitching core that already includes 3 front of the rotation type pitchers in Scott Kazmir, James Shields and Matt Garza (Aside: did the Rays fleece the Twins in that trade or what?). Price has great stuff and throws with the wronghand -- something that's not easy to find.
There you go. Rip into it folks. It's a 7:05 start time tonight at the ballpark from hell Minute Maid Park. Enjoy your Friday!
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Going forward
1) Pujols
2) LaPorta
1) Felix
2) Morrow (technically in the minors now)
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by Alxfritz on
Aug 29, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
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My picks
1) Albert Pujols has to be the selection of anyone in the majors. He has had an amazing career and is still only 28!! Its scary how good he will be when its all done. I think we may be witnessing one of the best players EVER!
2) Colby Rasmus, and yes I am a homer. He just excites me to no end and not only cause I am a Cardinals fan, but because of what he definitely could be.
1) Chad Billingsley, may not seem like a home run pick, but look at his stats. This kid will be something special.
2) Max Scherzer (technically in minors right now), also not a trendy pick, but his stuff is filthy!!
by JBagKY on
Aug 29, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
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1) Pujols
2) Bruce (even though he’s all the way up)
1) Kershaw
2) Price
by cbsnyder on
Aug 29, 2008 9:57 AM EDT
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AZ, I think you need to run a diagnostic
for even mentioning Tulo as a foundational player. The guy has a career .703 OPS away from Coors.
My picks:
1) El Hombre es mas macho. No real decision here.
2) I think Colby Rasmus has “earned” this pick.
1) Sabbathia as I love lefty starters
2) Price – see above
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Aug 29, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
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One goalie's opinion...
Position players:
1) Pujols (the elbow’s only a concern when throwing, and 1Bs don’t have to throw hard)
2) Longoria (Talent to burn!)
Pitchers:
1) Halladay (How much would we hear about this guy if he played for somebody besides the Jays?)
2) Lincecum
Admittedly, I subscribe to the “Ain’t No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect” philosophy… too many things can go wrong from the draft to The Show! However, drafting and developing pitchers is becoming the key to maintaining success; costs too much to sign free agents, and a certain number of those will fail… (See Zito, Barry…)
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on
Aug 29, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
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That's pretty good
not sure how you top that.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on
Aug 29, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
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The Best Picks
Position Players
1.) Albert – This man is the greatest player I have ever witnessed, could challenge Stan the Man for thye Cardinals greatest all-time player.
2.) Brett Wallace – Seeing what he has done offensively since being drafted, you have to put him here. While I do believe Rasmus will be the better all-around player, The Walrus has a bat that I thing would be pretty good in the majors right now.
Pitchers
1.) Tim Lincecum – He will be around for several years, potentially one of the best pitchers in the league.
2.) David Price – you have to pick him, he has the potential to be as good as any lefty in the game.
As far as position players go, I thought about putting Amaury Marti, but if you start a team with him, no other team would want to play against you. The team would be disbanded like the conneticut 9 year old team with the pitcher, it is known as the Cazana rule.
by stlzoot on
Aug 29, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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As far as position players go, I thought about putting Amaury Marti, but if you start a team with him, no other team would want to play against you. The team would be disbanded like the conneticut 9 year old team with the pitcher, it is known as the Cazana rule.
Brillant
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Aug 29, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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Brilliant * even, sigh
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Aug 29, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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I am one of the lucky ones
that have actually seen him play in person (this game). Three days later I went to the optometrist and after examination was told that I needed contact lenses from then on. Coincidence?
by Woodwork on
Aug 29, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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That's actually strange
Typically, his presence is enough to correct all ailments and right all wrongs. My hunch is that you had perfect vision and inadvertently stared directly at him which affected the way your eyes reacted to light and distance.
Ultimately, it’s your own fault.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on
Aug 29, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Well, he did hit two homers, including a walk-off in the 17th inning
Which in my book warrants a direct look. By far the best game I ever attended .
by Woodwork on
Aug 29, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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i concur
You should have read the program you were given at the beginning of the game. When you look at greatness, you fell under the liability of such actions.
The physical detriment that you’ve faced will stay with you as his numbers are now burned within your retina.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Aug 29, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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my picks
1) Pujols
2) Amaury Marti
I will have no home park. As always being the visiting team, I will need no pitchers since the other team will surrender prior to coming to bat.
However, the players’ association will likely force me to employ 12 pitchers anyway.
1) Haren to continue cardinal draftees only
2) Nick Additon
I would pick Jess Todd but there was a paper published in the Journal of Astrophysics postulating that the presence of Marti and Todd in the same stadium could potentially disrupt the space time continuum and result in the destruction of the universe. The Cardinals could not be reached for comment, but “coincidently” loaned Marti to the mexican league shortly after the report was published.
by vances law on
Aug 29, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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Pujols and Halladay
that’s all you’d really need
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 29, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
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to that I’ll add Wallace and Perez
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 29, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
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a relief pitcher?
He is good, I think I could find better pitchers than him unless you are just saying Cardinal Minor league pitchers you like….. Heck I think I like KMac better than Perez for the fact he is more vesitile in my opinion.
by ICbirdfan on
Aug 29, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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versatile?
I dunno, I didn’t really take this whole thing very seriously and gave it little thought. I did almost vote McClellan instead… it is a better choice I suppose if you only have 2 pitchers
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 29, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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or if you are Tony, Pujols and,,,,
Aaron F’ing Miles are all you need
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Aug 29, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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Sounds like fun.
All of the above are great picks, and it’s hard to argue against any of them. But I’ll go a little left field on ya.
MLB based
1.) Albert – no question.
2.) My minor leaguer will be Brandon Wood. 23 yo SS in the Angels camp. He’s had limited playing time in the majors this year, and he’s better than what it shown.
1. Adam Wainwright – fluke injury killed some great numbers. He may not be Halladay, but he has some CY Young runs in him.
2. Wade Davis – another tampa boy that I’ve had my eye on most of the year. His ‘08 campaign hasn’t been as smooth as the years before. But he’s young, has great stuff, and may be over looked.
if I went with a pure Cards system 1 & 2 I would go with
Albert – Majors
Wallace – Minors (Razzmatazz a close second)
Waino
Todd (Garcia a close second)
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Aug 29, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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Cornerstones
Position players:
1. Pujols — best hitter on the planet, period
2. Longoria — simply because he plays an excellent 3B and is capable of 40 homers a year for the next 13-15 seasons. Not too many three sackers out there like that
1. Lincecum
2. Volquez
Both are young, both are filthy. ’Nuff said.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Aug 29, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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Hitters
1. Pujols (not picking Pujols is just searching to be contrarian)
2. Wieters (the Walrus picks are among the most homerific in history, Wieters has outhit him over the course of a full year——-as a catcher)
Pitchers
1. Felix (put him in front of a bad defense and not a plane crash and we’d be talking about his unreal season)
2. Neftali Feliz (100 mph 20 year old doing well at AA)
Kosuke Fukudome: $55 million .266 .365 .391
Skip Schumaker: $Free .308 .369 .426
by joker24 on
Aug 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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fine
change mine from Wallace to Elvis
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 29, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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Elvis Andrus
Glad azru mentioned him because I’m really interested in this SS. Has anyone seen him in person? 30 errors, but I read his defense is very pretty, even by Venezuelan standards. Sickels likes him & rates him #3 in Ranger org. No power, but he’s only 19. May steal 50 this year. He’s playing AA for Frisco.
by random on
Aug 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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1. Pujols (duh)
2. Rasmus (if and only if he truly is our very own sizemore)
1. Lincecum (filthiest stuff EVER—at least to the untrained eye)
2. Price (sure why not)
by soccerfreak on
Aug 29, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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Wow, looking at what COULD be in a couple years
pujols, wallace, rasmus, ankiel, ludwick, molina, kozma, (add random 2B here)
carp, wainwright, garcia, todd, (add random 5th starter here)
Assuming (and, admittedly this is a HUGE, improbabilistic assumption) that these guys fulfill their highest projected potential, and we still have ank and luddy in a couple of years, i get giddy thinking of watching this team, essentially entirely homegrown (’cept carp, but whatever) win a world series.
by soccerfreak on
Aug 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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Kozma sucks
well, probably doesn’t suck but I’m hoping that his tenacity for booting balls all over the IF and not hitting for much pop will change.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 29, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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tendency
yeah, I think he’s going to end up being overrated
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Aug 29, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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The Best Game Ever, azru!
My list is this:
*Albert Pujols: ‘Nuf said…But if not, his lifetime OPS is 1.047, he’s hit 30 homers every year, and has a career EQA of .344. We may be witnessing the career of the best right-handed hitter that ever lived, and I don’t think that’s a stretch to say.
*Grady Sizemore: I was really tempted to tab Jay Bruce or Colby Von Rasmut, but at the end of the day Sizemore isn’t THAT much older than either and is pretty M-F-ing good himself. The guy plays a daggum fine center field, he gets on base, and he has quite a bit of pop, especially considering his position. Plus, he seems like a good guy from what I’ve heard. How can you go wrong there?
*Tim Lincecum: He’s the best pitcher in the NL right now, or at least damn close to it. Here’s the scary part: he could still get better. His command of his deuce and his changeup could still get better, and when that happens…oh dear. Some choice numbers this year: 2.43 era, 210 k in 185.1 innings, FIP of 2.72…All from a guy in his first full year in the majors.
*David Price: This dude has some really electric stuff, and he’s a southpaw. My favorite number showing how kickass this guy is: his last year at Vandy he pitched 133 innings and K’ed 194. Obviously it’s a big m-f-ing jump from the SEC to MLB, but still…His minor league numbers have him at a K per inning over about 100 of them at three levels, he doesn’t walk too many guys, he’s big, he’s mean on the mound, and did I mention he’s got devastating stuff?
Anywho, I think that’s a good starting place for a team.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on
Aug 29, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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2008 Texas League Post-Season All-Star Team
Slightly OT : Haven’t seen this posted, but we had three guys hit the team this year.
Craig, Salas, and Todd.
Like two of them, still have a gut feeling Salas is a mirage based on batters in AA not having the ability/patience to go after the arsenal he presents, but we’ll see when he’s in Memphis next year (one would assume he’d be there)
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Aug 29, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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Some of us aren't reading the rules. 1 MLB and 1MiLB.
1. Auto-reply says Pujols of course but I think there is a very, very strong case for both Hanley Ramirez and hissssss…. Ryan Braun. Both are 24 and will hit for a decade – Albert closer to half a decade and are cost controlled. Albert is an elite defender and a clubhouse godfather. Braun doesn’t play a premium position and doesn’t play strong defense. Hanley doesn’t play stron defense either but can be moved to the OF and has speed. So just to be different I’ll say Hanley Ramirez.
2. Rasmus. I think Cameron Maybin, Wieters and LaPorta are all intriguing but Colby has tools and plate discipline which puts him over the top – add to that he plays a premium position. Admittedly this limits the options with Hanley Ramirez but it wouldn’t be a terrible problem to have.
1. Lincecum. He’s only 24 and is going to win the Cy. Sabathia is only 28 and may have a better frame plus the lefty factor. But Lincecum is just phenomenal. Funny how Lincecum is in the midst of such greatness when so many questioned his mechanics and size, while Mark Prior is in the midst of such turmoil and was a cant miss guy. Crazy. Of course that could change tomorrow with one injury.
2. David Price. Lincecum and Price would be devastating.
by rlgosnell on
Aug 29, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
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Milb?
Middle Infield League Baseball?
by Woodwork on
Aug 29, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
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confused me too
i believe it stands for Minor League Baseball.
i’m taking a gamble that you’re not being sarcastic here… i would lose some sarcasm cred and that’s something i don’t want to happen.
by mattybobo on
Aug 29, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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It would be fun though
A whole league of the Eckstein-Izturis-Kennedy-etc. variety. How much smaller would the fields need to be to make that interesting?
by Woodwork on
Aug 29, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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to put it kindly
The ballparks at the LWS are way too big.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Aug 29, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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btw, I'll be at all 3 games in that hell hole in Houston.
It’s not the greatest place to watch a game imo but it’s light years ahead of the ‘dome and it does have some character, something I had hoped for more of with Busch 3. The roof thing is bothersome but there’s nothing else they could have done considering the mosquitos and the heat. I’m sure there’s more than one person in STL that can appreciate 81 games of AC.
by rlgosnell on
Aug 29, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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This is difficult...
But on the whole, my choices are pretty similar to the rest of yours.
Position players:
1) Pujols. He will go down as one of the greatest ever, and he’s still only 28!
2) Longoria. Great defense, great bat, a good head on his shoulders.
Pitchers:
1) Lincecum. Dammmmmn! He just eats hitters alive. It’s amazing to think of how good he is, already.
2) King Felix. The expectations are enormous and I can’t shake the feeling that he needs to get out of Seattle but he has ridiculous talent. I don’t know how much y’all see of him but living out here in the PNW we see him a lot-his stuff, when he’s on, is almost unhittable. And he’s still, what, 22? Egad.
by mattisnotfrench on
Aug 29, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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Maybe it's only me
but when I see Evan Longoria’s name, I keep thinking of Eva Longoria…
by saladdays on
Aug 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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is that a bad thing?
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on
Aug 29, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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Fun fun.
1. For the purposes of being different and generating discussion, I wish I could pick Hanley or Longoria. But I can’t. Albert could still be the best player in the game when they hit their prime. Just saw rlgosnell didn’t pick Albert. Kudos.
2. I’m not sold on any of the obvious choices here… Weiters/LaPorta/Rasmus/Maybin. Snider comes up today, so I have a reason to watch Toronto. I’m going with Brignac, he’s ready.
1. Johan Santana. His bullpen be damned. He has the track record that Lincecum doesn’t have and is a is pretty spotless and is two years younger than Halladay.
2. Price is the only no-brainer in this exercise to me.
by andujar on
Aug 29, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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is a is
I’m proud of me.
You already figured it out or skipped that part by now. If you figure it out, let me know what I was thinking.
by andujar on
Aug 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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no more posting for me today.
This 4 player team building exercise blew me mind.
Reply is the red button.
by andujar on
Aug 29, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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OT slightly
Looks like Joe Blanton is presently winning the battle of the ex-A’s.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on
Aug 29, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Go
Chicago national league team!
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by Alxfritz on
Aug 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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Well, Blanton has come absolutely un-glued in the 6th
can’t find the zone for shit and Ramirez just bailed his ass out on a 3-1 pitch.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on
Aug 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Blanton walks the bases full
Eyre walks in the tying run.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on
Aug 29, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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Lineup tonight, per bernie
Izturis, ss
Stavinoha, lf
Pujols, 1b
Ludwick, rf
Glaus, 3b
Molina, c
Mather, cf
Lohse, p
Lopez, 2b
I like the backloaded lineup with Mather hitting 7th.
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by Alxfritz on
Aug 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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Yeah but
There’s a run of Lohse-Lopez-Izturis-Stavinoha that sucks
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
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Aug 29, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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Izturis
vs lefties is a different animal.
I’d like to see the right-handed heavy lineup take advantage of that ridiculous porch for once.
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by Alxfritz on
Aug 29, 2008 6:02 PM EDT
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no doubt
i have no idea why our hitters never take advantage of those stupid little bleachers in right. hell just pop up the ball & it will go out. how hard can it be?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
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Aug 29, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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Uh
Lopez doesn’t suck. Iz against righties hasn’t sucked. And who knows about Stav, still too early to tell.
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Aug 29, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
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If I'm left with the choice of Stavinoha or Lopez in LF
shockingly, I’ll take Lopez. Atleast he makes contact.
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Aug 29, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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I'd like to see them switch Stavinoha with Jay or Robinson but
that would require a 40 man move. Can’t wait to see who comes up in september.
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Aug 29, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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Sadly,
I would be willing to bet that you’ll be disappointed.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
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Aug 29, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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My picks
For positional players:
1) I have to go with Albert Pujols. I considered Longoria, I considered David Wright, I considered someone like Hanley Ramirez, I considered Chase Utley very, very intently. However, as much as I would like to take Utley for the kind of offense he puts up at a premium defensive position, the fact remains that Albert is the most transcendent hitter in the game right now. He plays the best first base in the majors also, increasing his value further. Is the elbow a concern? Yes, but I think the weight of performance overcomes any sort of injury worries we may have.
2) Now this one’s tough. I am indeed a farm junkie, so I’m required to take a minor leaguer here. I looked at a whole slew of candidates, and came down to basically the same two players that Az did: Rasmus and Wieters. Both offer tremendous offensive upside to go along with solid defensive contributions. Rasmus projects to have gold glove defense in center, and Wieters, while he may not have quite that same level of defensive game, plays a position at which I think defense is highly overrated anyway. In the end, I ended up valuing Rasmus’ game changing ability on both sides of the ball ever so slightly over Wieters’ contributions. I’ll take Colby by a hair.
Pitchers:
1) I really like Halladay here, and I considered many other candidates as well. I looked at Brandon Webb of the Diamondbacks, Johan Santana, King Felix, CC Sabathia, and Edinson Volquez. In the end, though, it came down to two pitchers: Tim Lincecum and Dan Haren. Both have tremendous stuff and outstanding deliveries. Personally, though, I think that Dan Haren may have the lowest risk mechanics in all of baseball to go along with his stuff, and I think he may age a little better than Lincecum, largely due to Haren’s larger frame. I think Haren is very similar to Halladay, actually, and a couple of years younger to boot. We’re looking to start a team here, and I want the guy I think is going to be the best bet over the long haul to produce year in, year out. I think Haren offers the best combination of results and reliability, stuff and stamina, dominance and durability. He’s my guy.
2) I think Price may be the single easiest choice on this list. Most of the truly great pitching prospects we’ve seen in the last couple of years have now graduated to the big leagues, leaving the future cupboard a little thin at the moment. I did consider Porcello, but Price is much closer, and lefthanded on top of it. There were a couple of other pitchers I looked at, but really, none of the other pitching prospects in the game really compare to Price at the moment. he has the ceiling of a #1, and he’s a far safer bet than most of the other guys I could pull out and point to as having huge potential. Price it is.
So, that’s Pujols, Rasmus, Haren, and Price.
Sad that the 2009 Cardinals should have had three of those players on the team.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Aug 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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RB, I have to go along with your choices. On the matter of David Price
One of my favorite pitchers of all time is Pedro Martinez. He faced David Price when he was on a rehab assignment. Pedro was in awe of Price and said he had the best stuff he had ever seen, and was actually excited that baseball was going to get such a fine young pitcher in its ranks soon.
So Price it is. If he’s good enough for RB and Pedro, he’s my pick too.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Aug 30, 2008 12:09 AM EDT
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just wondering
since righties hit lefties better and lefties hit righties better, and most batters in the MLB are right-handed, why are lefty pitchers considered more valuable?
by soccerfreak on
Aug 29, 2008 5:59 PM EDT
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cause they are more rare i would guess
by FunkeeC on
Aug 29, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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Cause they are more dominant
against lefties than righties are dominant against righties. Plus, many of the best hitters are lefties. Finally, there are a lot more righties who reverse split against lefties than vice versa.
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by giveml on
Aug 29, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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If I'm picking 2 MLB and 2 MiLB
then I’m going with
Albert
Rasmus (not a homer pick, just the best position prospect)
Lincecum (that ones easy!)
Price
by CrimsonBirdFan on
Aug 29, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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If its just 4 from anywhere
Then…
Albert
David Wright
Lincecum
Hamels
by CrimsonBirdFan on
Aug 29, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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Best position spect.....
based on what? I know he’s been rated highly, but he’s never been the #1 hitting spect, has he? He certainly didn’t do anything this year to move up. Just curious.
by SoonerfanTU on
Aug 29, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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he was #3 or so
with bruce and longoria being ahead of him
by Glowsticks on
Aug 29, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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I think you just hate all Cardinal prospects
by azruavatar on
Aug 29, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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Nope. But I'm not a homer either.
by SoonerfanTU on
Aug 29, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
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no, you are just a contrarian
if there was an “I love TLR” board then you would be a basher.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Aug 29, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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The Pirates
ain’t gonna make it easy on us. 3-0 Classies after an inning.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on
Aug 29, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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