defy logic
by lboros on Aug 28, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
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the cardinals sure aren’t giving up; i guess i won’t, either. but it doesn’t look good for them, despite last night’s stirring win. they need to close with a 19-9 or 20-8 run, something like that, just to have a chance; they haven’t posted a run such as that since 2006, and even if they pull it off it won’t be enough unless the brewers cool down some and play .500 or just over the rest of the way. of course, there’s always the possibility that the crew chokes in september and plays sub-.500 ball against an easy schedule, but that is extremely unlikely with sheets and sabathia in the rotation. and whatever the brewers might do, the cards have to worry about the mets and/or phils now as well as the team in front of them. that’s quite a needle to thread; they’re not likely to succeed, but they haven’t stopped trying. and why should they? show up, play, try to win. logic tells us their odds are poor (less than 10 percent, according to BP’s latest odds report), but logic --- like everything else in baseball --- can have an off-year. it’s already having one so far vis-vis the cardinals, whose entire season has defied logic.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
the milwaukee newspaper was full of quotes about carlos villanueva’s indiscretion in the bottom of the 7th, which very obviously fired the cardinals up --- especially el hombre:
"He did us a favor. He woke up a sleeping giant. I congratulate him. They beat us all year long. You don't have to do something stupid like that. I respect the game. I wanted him to know I didn't appreciate that."
more at the post-dispatch and at bernie’s blog.
if the cards somehow manage to pull off a comeback, this game --- and the villanueva flap in particular ---- might be looked back on as The Turning Point. i tried to come up with a list of season-changing moments in the franchise’s history but could come up with very few examples that truly apply. terry pendleton’s homer at shea in september 1987 definitely qualifies, imho. two years later there was one in the opposite direction at wrigley field. the cards led the cubs 2-1 in the 8th and were on the verge of moving past them into first place when a cub batter named dwight smith singled to right and took a very wide turn; tom brunansky threw behind the runner and smith lit out for second, where he was safe. he scored the tying run, and chicago won it in extras, then won the rubber game the next day and never looked back. the cardinals lost 6 in a row; in retrospect, smith’s baserunning play appeared to have deflated them. ankiel’s HGH revelation last year might also be wedged into this category --- the team was surging when the ankiel news broke (in arizona, where the team is now headed), then proceeded to lose 9 in a row. for that matter, you could say that zambrano’s fight w/ michael barrett in the dugout last june (and piniella’s showy ejection the next day) had a galvanizing effect on the cubs; they were 9 games under .500 at the time, but they immediately won 5 of 6 and had climbed back to .500 within a month; they went 63-46 the rest of the way to win the division.
but bona fide turning points (or TPs) are extremely rare, and even when they occur they don’t always change the ultimate outcome --- viz. pujols’ homer off lidge in 2005, the biggest TP in franchise history. everyone was waiting for the astros to collapse after that, but they didn’t; the cards would never hold another lead in the series. i’d like to think that last night’s win (and the villanueva business) tilted the dynamic of the race in the cards’ favor, but i just don’t think it’s very likely.
onward now to houston, where they’ll face two left-handed pitchers (wolf and rodriguez), followed by two more in arizona (big unit and doug davis). since july 1 the cards have faced left-handed starting pitchers 16 times (including last night) and gone 8-8 despite scoring just 51 runs total --- 3.2 a game. maybe that’s why josh phelps was called up. (in case you were wondering, phelps has played one game in the outfield this year at memphis --- the only one in his entire professional baseball career. he has never played the outfield in the majors. . . . . dude’s a pure pinch-hitter. . . . ) the good news about the arizona series is that the cards will miss both haren and webb --- those two are being set up to face the dbacks’ chief pursuers, the dodgers, on saturday and sunday right before the cardinals arrive, and again the following friday and saturday when the dbacks and dodgers meet in los angeles.
items:
- very soon, somebody will hit the 250,000th home run in major league history. dollars to donuts it gets hit by cesar izturis. . . . . btw, anybody remember who scored baseball’s 1 millionth run back in the late 70s / early 80s?
- springfield, still fighting for a playoff spot, won last night to stay within a game of first place. they got a homer from donavon solano, who’s holding his own at double A so far --- .291 / .347 / .384, which is not bad for a 20-year-old second baseman. he’s roughly in the position that jose martinez was in at this time last year.
- if you haven’t shared your evaluations yet in tangotiger’s scouting report by the fans, do it now.
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Best August Game
Ever.
Followed up by the 4th off day in two weeks. Stupid baseball.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 28, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Surprise
I’m still curious why he never went to the DL (and why the brass has seemingly gotten a pass from the media on this). It’s obvious something isn’t right as he’s continually late on pitches and can’t seem to torque through the ball. Hopefully, it wasn’t misdiagnosed and isn’t worse than an ab strain.
by azruavatar on Aug 28, 2008 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He needs to sit for the next week
since the club faces four lefties in that span, I don’t see that being a big deal. We get to expand rosters on the 1st, so there’s no reason to DL him now — there wouldn’t be anybody to replace him with anyway.
I don’t understand why they didn’t put him on the DL when he was hurt earlier this year either. Perhaps his psyche is too fragile to be placed on the disabled list or something? Whatever it is, it hurt the ballclub back then more than it’s hurting them now, but the dude needs to get right for the last couple weeks of the season.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needed
To go on the DL and spend two or three weeks healing up.
by JMedwick on Aug 28, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
but there’s no reason to do it now, so why look back on it? There’s obviously some kind of reason why he didn’t go on it either time, it can’t just be coincidence.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their handling of Ankiel
It’s an embarassment. How do they allow this type of thing to happen over and over again?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over and over?
Are you just referring to the two times that he’s been hurt this year? That’s hardly over and over….
by saladdays on Aug 28, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players in general
Rolen, Mulder, Ankiel, etc.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what is the big embarrassment?
Not sure what you are actually trying to say, as each player has had different reasons for not performing with the Cards.
by saladdays on Aug 28, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did they do wrong?
Players get hurt. Sometimes they can play through it, sometimes they can’t. Sometimes it takes trying to play before they know they can’t.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consistent underdiagnosis
They damage the club and, sadly, the player by underdiagnosing his injury. This means he missed more time than he would have if they had competently diagnosed it to begin with, in the best case, and, in the worst case, requires season- or career-ending surgery. Now, Ankiel’s situation with this injury has not been as bad as Rolen’s or Mulder’s shoulder, but if they’d have placed him on the DL last month for fifteen days and brought up an OFer, we could have had a bench at full strength and an Ankiel at full strength today. Instead, we played short-handed for weeks and continue to do so. It’s embarassing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is this the team's fault?
Ever think its just a string of tough injuries/rehabs to diagnose? I bet I can find similiar situations with other teams.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 28, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trot 'em out
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 28, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick has been hurt for like a month now
and still no DL. Especially at a position where there is so much organizational depth, it doesn’t make sense.
by azruavatar on Aug 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can teams force guys to the DL?
I guess you can if the team trainer/doc does not clear them to play….
I wonder why Rick instisted on playing? I guess he always thought he would be better the next day and the next day turned into weeks.
by ICbirdfan on Aug 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making it even worse
Our depth made it even palatable to DL Ankiel. It wasn’t as horrible of a loss as, say, Glaus, because we have ample guys we can plug into Ankiel’s slot. Having someone who can’t field, throw, or run the bases active on your bench is silly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+
Duncan, Wellemeyer, and Isringhausen. You’re not gritty and hard-nosed if you don’t play hurt. It is better to suck and then get taken out of the lineup so you can reveal that you were hiding an injury.
I don’t think you can blame the medical staff when the team management and, apparently, the players want to play even when they can’t be productive.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 28, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder if it has to do with his arbitration?
He’s afraid if he goes to the DL he’ll lose money, or something like that?
Or maybe he’s just a BAMF with an intense competitive streak who doesn’t want to sit out?
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 28, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with the BAMF explanation
plus he has Pujols as a teammate to look up to
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
pujols is FOR SURE a BAMF!
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
by bigcardsfan5 on Aug 28, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
by iron duke75 on Aug 28, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, there' s no more outfield help coming
Stavinoha’s already up, Barton’s on the DL, Dunc’s on the DL, and Rasmus isn’t being called up either.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phelps
If he keeps hitting, maybe he could move into a corner spot.
by paposse on Aug 28, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played one game in his entire life in the outfield
I know left field is easy to play, but it’s no second base.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A week from now
we’ll know if that was any “turning point,” but at this point it was just a great victory, and one that keeps our slim hopes alive.
As TLR just said the other day, if you have be motivated to play a big series, in late August then something is wrong. The Cards have been motivated, hopefully, since Game One of the season, as our esteemed skipper pointed out, so Albert saying Villaneuva “woke up a sleeping giant” is stupid. What were you “sleeping” for in first place, Albert? (I doubt he was.)
It was just something we’’re not used to seeing this year: a come-from-behind victory, so everyone is a little more pumped over this win than the others. However, let’s hope it does something for us – a little added spark, if you will. Since we’ve had no win streaks of note this season, I think our hopes lie more in a Milwaukee collapse than a long Cardinal win streak. But – it can happen!
by ccthemovieman on Aug 28, 2008 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Albert respects the game.
And that means you gotta keep your cliches sharp and ready to go.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 28, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Write this down....
“I’m happy to be here, I just want to help the ballclub”
“Some days you win, some days you lose, some days it rains. Think about that for a minute.”
“You gotta play em one day at a time”
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh..."Shut up Meat."
"Why’s he calling me Meat? I’m the one driving a Porsche. "
by stlfan on Aug 28, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You don't need a quadraphonic blaupunkt,
what you need is a curveball!!!"
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a simple game: You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball
BTW, there is no song by Motley Crue called “Ray Anne” or “Rae Anne” or whatever—so far as I can tell.
But maybe that was meant to further illustrate his 5 cent head.
by meat on Aug 28, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Candlesticks are always nice.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.
by garden nome on Aug 28, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You couldn't hit water
if you fell off a fucking boat…
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
by iron duke75 on Aug 28, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See Below
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
by CurtainCall on Aug 28, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO Albert meant the game not the season
The inning could have been a downer for the Cards leaving the bases loaded. But Villaneuva pulled the stunt like and that changed the motivation direction back to the Cards. The replays during that pop up sequence were great. There was a camera on AP in the on deck area and he went from a downcast, bummer expression to one of I’m gonna stick this bat where the sun don’t shine. If Villaneuva just leaves the field, Albert and the boys might have been batting with a different mind set. Like Yogi said, “Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.”
by ubeddie on Aug 28, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cmon now
telling the press that they just woke up a sleeping giant just sounds cool. I doubt Pujols meant anything too serious by that. As exciting as anything in last night’s game was Perez closing out the game imo
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cards are going to catch the Brewers
It will come between 9/11 and 9/18. The Cards are playing 6 on the road (at the Pirates and at the Reds) and one game at home against the Cubs. During that same period, the Brewers are playing four on the road against the Phillies and three at the Cubs.
The goal of the next two weeks/ 11 games is to keep the WC close (i.e. within 2 or 3 games) and then make a major push.
by JMedwick on Aug 28, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It would be nice to have the lead on 9/18, considering that we close out the season with 3 v. Cubs, 4 v. D-Backs, and 3 v. Reds and Milwaukee gets 3 with Cincy, 3 with the Bucs, and then closes out the season in Chicago, who will be setting up for a short series and probably throwing Marshall, Leiber, and Marquis in that series instead of Harden, Dempster, Lilly, or Z. Which doesn’t give the Cardinals much chance unless we have the lead and can hold it during that week.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple things...
I remember that pay by Brunansky like it was yesterday, sitting in my cousin’s basement (Cubs fans who live in St. Louis, go figure), watching that game on WGN. You just got the feeling after that play and the total lack of enthusiasm for the following game that the season was probably over.
Was anyone impressed with Perez last night? Not his stuff, which wasn’t very good last night (ESPECIALLY the slider), but his mettle for getting two good fastball hitters out when they represented the tying run. Once he got Braun, I didn’t think Fielder had a chance. Where would this club be if we had that 9th inning guy all year long who could come in and strike out the other team’s best two hitters?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In the wild card lead at worst....
maybe in 1st place in the division. Just factor in the blown games to the Brewers alone and we’d be ahead of them.
"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley
by TurdFerguson on Aug 28, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought....
he only threw one bad slider. That one to get the first strikeout was absolutely filthy.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 28, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He threw 3 bad ones
One to get Braun, who looked like he was sitting on a fastball away, and 2 to Fielder, but they were so far off of the plate that he didn’t have a chance to put a swing on them. It was pretty obvious that he wasn’t sure where it was going last night either. The fastball looked great though…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think they were that bad.
He was trying to get Prince to chase a pitch and threw them a bit too far outside, but the break was very sharp. Neither one of those were hangers.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 28, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one to Braun was a hanger
Break or no break, it was belt high and broke over the middle of the plate. If Braun hadn’t been guessing fastball, he’d have murdered that pitch. Credit to Molina for calling it and Perez for having the gumption to throw the slider in a 3-2 count.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right about it being a hanger.....
but it wasn’t over the middle of the plate. It was a bit up and in.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 28, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
strikeout pitch to Braun
… I thought it was a curve. His slider comes in at 88/89. The hanging pitch to Braun was 84. I’d never seen Perez throw a curve before. Perhaps because he and Braun were teammates and know each other well, Perez pulled his little used curve out of his @ss.
by jjray on Aug 28, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday called it a slider
actually gameday had him throwing 2 sliders (96 and 95 mph) and called his ball to Prince as a curveball (92 mph).
I’m not sure what it was, but I thought it looked like a slider.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez
On the post game interview said it was a slider that he threw poorly. He said it was slower than his other sliders but it was still a slider. Just a poor pitch he got away with due to the speed difference. This is what Perez said.
by ICbirdfan on Aug 28, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night's win...
I hate to be the pessimist, because usually I’m the completely rose-goggled, blinded optimist, but the feeling that I had last night during the game was very vivid. It was the same exact feeling I had when Pujols hit that HR off of Lidge. It was sweet vindication for what was going to happen next…the Cardinals’ season ending earlier than I would have liked.
I think that the true TP of the season was when Carpenter (after coming back and pitching so well) went down in Chicago with another injury. That, in my mind, ended the season.
by stlfan on Aug 28, 2008 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yet it's a highlight either way
I agree with the sweet smell of false hopes. At the same time if the team makes the playoffs, this game is a great high point. If we complete a successful rebuilding year, this game is a great high point.
- Y.2.2
by Yadi2Second on Aug 28, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Million runs scored
Wasn’t it Bob Watson?
I seem to remember a baseball card recognizing the feat.
by Poop on Aug 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are correct.
bob waton DEFINITELY score the 1,000,000th run
by busch league on Aug 28, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just have to say...
that missing Haren and Webb is the best news I’ve heard all day…I’ll take my chances with Johnson and Davis.
My increasingly faulty memory tells me that the Cards haven’t done real well against bona fide aces this year…beating Hamels twice and the shellacking they put on Zambrano a couple weeks ago are the exceptions that come to mind. Anyone have any data to support or disprove that theory?
by tbell61 on Aug 28, 2008 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we beat Sheets twice right?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's annoying
that we get fired up and all . . . and then have an off day. Nothing is better than playing the next day after a game like that. This team is going to be so turbo-charged today, and it’s frustrating that all they’ll be able to do with that is have a practice.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Aug 28, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Consider this
Agree that day off stinks for us fans, but I got curious as to what the Cards do following a day off.
I came up with this…
Cards are 10-4 following a day off. 6 wins following a win. 2 losses following a win.
What does this mean? Nothing….. it’s just numbers. Go Cards.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 28, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might just be numbers
but I like ’em.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely off topic..
But this slayed me enough that I shot hot coffee through my nose, courtesy of Junior at FJM:
As an absurd example, consider a guy who pitches nine scoreless innings 34 times and then allows 1,000 runs in his last game. Bad ERA, but pretty solid year. Although also consider that wins alone still might not capture the season this Mr. Awesome Except For One Disaster delivers — it’s possible that his teammates let him down and don’t ever score for him, leaving him with a season record of 0-1. Poor Mr. Awesome Except For One Disaster!
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0 DORK-1 BLORK
Kosuke Fukudome: $55 million .264 .364 .384
Skip Schumaker: $Free .311 .372 .426
by joker24 on Aug 28, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just finished reading that article--god bless firejoemorgan
the one that just preceded it was more interesting to me though. i find it hilarious what a parody of itself the article being eviscerated really was. not just because it whined about “the good ole days when pitchers were men and competed and did whatever it took and arm injuries be damned!” but because it rolled out all the same old jocks vs. nerds cliches as usual. he actually accused people of rattling their “spectacles” around or some such nonsense. for the love of god, people. i thought using your brain was a good thing?
by mattybobo on Aug 28, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
Who cites Fernando (or for that matter, Wood, Prior, and Schmidt) in an article about “manning up”? Seriously, the guy probably would have been a Hall of Fame contender had he been able to pitch at his pre-age 25 level for the next 10 years. He’s the poster-child for pitcher abuse and gets used to glorify the good old days when pitchers finished games.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emotional Rollercoaster
I was distraught after Game 1’s throttling and elated after last night’s wonderful come-from-behind win. Sadly, we made up no ground in the Wild Card. I just don’t know how we can make up games with our head-to-head confrontations with the Brewers over. What’s more, we have six remaining games versus the Cubbies. That makes things even more difficult. That said, never surrender…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we could split with the Cubs and the Brewers lose all six to the Cubs
We’re 1/2 game back
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 28, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost think that we have to go 4-2 versus CHI
Which is very possible with Wainwright coming into form.
I just don’t see MIL losing all six to Chicago with CC and Sheets on the hill for a handful of those games. They ought to win at least 2 of those games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what was said
right before they got swept at home the last time they played the Cubs, and both of those guys pitched in that series too.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was
But, six games provides a lot more opportunities not to get swept. It is extremely difficult to win six-of-six against a team of the Brewers’ caliber. Rather than facing the dynamic duo atop the Milwaukee rotation once, the Cubs will likely have to go 4-0 versus the twin aces. At a minimum, probably 3-0. That’s a tall order, ever for the NL’s top club.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially when the teams are basically .500 against each other
before the sweep, the Brewers led the season series against the cubs 4-2.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before the Crew rolled off 7 straight against us
We led the season series 4-3
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 28, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying you predicted the 7 straight?
because unless you’re using that as evidence what happens when teams split their first 6 or 7 games, then I’m not sure why it’s relevant?
And if that’s the case, and were using the Brewers record against the Cardinals as some sort of predictor, then I think it would be safer to say the Brewers will sweep the next 6 against the cubs since the cubs are leading the season series. But I really don’t think you actually believe that.
If you’re basically counting on the Cubs sweeping the next 6 games against the Brewers and think that’s what will get the Cardinals back in it, then I would consider that wishful thinking.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not predicting
Just pointing out. We looked good earlier on in the season against the Crew, but then they started pounding on us, especially starting with the 4-game sweep. I’m just saying it could happen the same way wrt the Brewers and Cubs.
You also just have to know my personality. I look for patterns and themes in everything. Just another case of it.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 28, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
anyway, I would think looking at it, I would most fear anything between a split and a Brewer sweep. At worst we have to root for the cubs winning 2 out of 4, and we have to play our asses off the rest of the way.
I’m talking about winning 10 – 12 games in a row and stuff. Colorado Rockies stuff.
The best thing would be for the cubs to keep kicking ass against all teams except the Cardinals (obviously) since they play 4 games against the Phillies, 4 against the Mets and 6 against the Brewers.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Cubs can really help us
if they split the series with us (still giving them a one game up for the season series) and of course, when they sweep the Brewers, we will be in their debt! you hear that, Cubs? help us out here
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a bummer we're facing all these lefties coming up
And Barton is on the DL…Stavinoha in the starting lineup!! Blech
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 28, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think the answer is clear
convert phelps to a 2B, nao!!!
by mattybobo on Aug 28, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure
they’re penciling in Mulder to start at 2B once rosters expand.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Aug 28, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
… let’s see Danny Haren, Kiko Calero, and Daric Barton do that! In your face, Mr. Moneyball!
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Aug 28, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Albert plays
first and second does he get to bat twice?
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 28, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ghost Man on Second!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Aug 29, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be Lopez.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Villanueva is our MacGuffin
Hitchcock fans are probably familiar with the MacGuffin.
A MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin) is a plot device that motivates the characters or advances the story, but the details of which are of little or no importance otherwise.
The element that distinguishes a MacGuffin from other types of plot devices is that it is not important what the object specifically is. Anything that serves as a motivation will do. The MacGuffin might even be ambiguous. Its importance is accepted by the story’s characters, but it does not actually have any effect on the story. It can be generic or left open to interpretation.
LB you’ve nailed it: this season has definitely been a thriller, but as all good Hitchcock films have, there’s gotta be a MacGuffin to serve as the motivation or The Turning Point to advance the plot. Let’s hope Villanueva’s blabbing moves this year on to an exciting climax!
by lightbulb on Aug 28, 2008 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At first I thought you meant Sterling Hitchcock
Man I’m an idiot
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 28, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did too
and I couldn’t remember an “incident” with Sterling that was some sort of turning point.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Carlos Villaneuva
is George Kaplan?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an advertising man, not a red herring.
by mattybobo on Aug 28, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I don't mind a slight
case of abduction now and then…
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. No, Mother, I have not been drinking. No. No. These two men, they poured a whole bottle of bourbon into me.
No, they didn’t give me a chaser.
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll admit i had to consult imdb to be sure i got your reference.
how is it that cary grant can seem kind of foppish but so cool at the same time?
by mattybobo on Aug 28, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you know...
a LB of LSD is worth $55 million dollars
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the most expensive substance known to man?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anti-Matter is more expensive
Antimatter is worth $26 Quadrillion per LB
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news
I wasn’t sure what to do with that left-over anti-matter I had laying around. Didn’t know there was a market for it…..
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I’m in the wrong business
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 28, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Villanueva doesn't watch tape
Other wise he would studied the who Pujols Vs Backe thing.
by Evilfrog on Aug 28, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I find most of that Milwaukee team to be pretty classless
there is nothing wrong with exuberance and celebrating being good after a long time in the wilderness…Brewer fans are generally good folks and they have earned a good team in the pennant chase…but baseball is big on traditions and respect, and players that go out of their way to show up opponents, well, that sort of thing comes back to bite you sooner or later…plus, as Bernie M alluded to in his blog, swagger means nothing when you haven’t won a thing in over 25 years.
by tbell61 on Aug 28, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
they need to earn their swagger! stop acting like you’re amazing when you didn’t even get into the playoffs last year when you had a great chance to. ya blew it!
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
so it took 94 years to hit the first 100,000 home runs, 29 years to hit the second 100,000, and now we’re on course for 16-18 years for the third 100,000. Jim Bouton doesn’t like this…
by guayzimi on Aug 28, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Starting today
Umpires will hear this more than ever….
“Look at the f-ing replay!”
Regardless of the fact that it can only be used for fair/foul and HR calls….. they will be pushed to use it else where.
I like the replay rules, and I hope it stays as they are….. but the images of Game 6, 1985 come back to haunt me.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 28, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In fact....
You can say that blown call in the 9th inning was a very big TP in Cardinal history.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 28, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Ankiel is down for the count
so to speak. Barton is injured. Stavinoha is already up.
Boy, I sure wish we had some other OF’er in the system that look good in ST that could step in for a month and atleast fill the roll of PH/PR with good defense for late game substitutions, etc.
If only we had someone that had earned that call-up.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't make sense
to bring him up until at least Monday, anyway.
by stlfan on Aug 28, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
but Rick won’t magically be healthy by Monday, either.
Just food for thought.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That post was like a tsunami of sarcasm!
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
I wonder where could we find a minor league outifelder who hit around .250 and slugged under .400 who is just coming off a knee injury that sidelined him a month?
I guess I just question why so much importance is put on 50 at bats in spring training while 330 at bats in AAA are ignored.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because the 50 ABs in ST
are more in line with the 1200 he took in the minors prior to those 330?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying the kid's gonna be a flop
I think he’ll be quite good, actually. I just get a little tired of reading the spring training numbers as proof that he should be on the team while ignoring his current season plus his injury. Spring training numbers mean virtually nothing.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
arent you making a similar leap
by ignoring his entire minor league career and focusing on the AB’s that support your suggestion that he isn’t ready to play defense and pinch run in the majors (which is what HL suggested to begin with)
by FunkeeC on Aug 28, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I said I think he'll be a good player
obviously I’m not basing that on his 2008 numbers.
And, to be honest, I missed the PH/PR part of the comment because I was fighting back swallowing my own tongue with the spring training numbers reference. My apologies.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the team
bring him up to pinch hit and play defense? Shit, we could get any number of guys at AA or AAA to do that much, and they’ll probably run better than Colby at this point because they haven’t been injured. So we start his arbitration clock so he can pinch run and play defense? That makes very little sense at all.
I’m with TB on this one, his spring AB’s were when he was healthy, he’s been banged up twice in the minors this season and hasn’t had many at bats since coming back from his knee injury. I don’t see any reason to bring him up right now because he might really struggle, which is something we don’t need at this point: The top prospect coming up for a cup of coffee and being horrible for a team in the race for a wild card spot.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said at the very least
the hope would be that he would outperform Stavinoha, who is getting serious playing time’.
And, he might not ‘really struggle’ either. No less than Ankiel or Stavinoha have.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
is it wort making him a super two player in 2011 (I believe that’s what could happen – correct me if I’m wrong)? Baseball is still a business.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 28, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it even gets there
if he is as good as he should be, I’m sure they sign him to a Sizemore/Braun type contract before then.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should hope they...
extend him soon…but the fact of the matter is if we bring him up next month he’ll be arbitration eligible a year earlier – meaning that the pay will start getting bigger sooner and Free Agency will likely come a year sooner. It’s just not worth it for a guy who probably won’t make a big difference for this team this year.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 28, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am getting the feeling that Tony is not too fond of Rasmus
and am starting to wonder if Colby will see any serious playing time in St. Louis as long as Tony is manager. Tony is going to want Colby to earn his spot with another year or TWO in the minors.
by KYCards on Aug 28, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtfull
If Rasmus would of put of Mather’s line than in Memphis he would of already been here
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of wonder if Mo is going to "force" Tony
to have Rasmus make the roster after Spring Training 2009. Of course in order to do this Mo will have to find a way to trade Skip or Ankiel. Because if those two are both healthy and on the team next season Rasmus won’t have much of a chance to get a spot, big spring training numbers or not with Tony. And I’m not saying this to try to bash Tony either..it’s just the way things are looking right now…it could change.
by KYCards on Aug 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.....
Ankiel obviously has as spot. Hard to argue LHB
Skip obvioulsly has a spot. Hard to argue, who knows how sustainable…. LHB
Luddy has a spot RHB
Duncan out Hurt
Mather /Rasmus (probably comes down to these two) however it make zero sense to bring Colby up as a bench guy.
So you are correct Rick or Skip need to be gone before Colby makes the team. I don’t really have an issue with it anyway.
I don’t think TLR hates Colby. It’s just not the right time.
by ICbirdfan on Aug 28, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he hates him either
but I wouldn’t be suprised if Tony thinks Rasmus might have a little “big head” about him and in turn Tony is not real fond of him and is not going to hand anything to him. I can respect Tony for that this season but I would hate to see it continue for too long. Because at some point the Cardinals need to see what they have with him and keeping him in the minors because his and Tony’s egos might clash might really hamper the kid’s career.
by KYCards on Aug 28, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya.
I totally agree, we are not going to see Colby until something happens to Skip or Ankiel. It will be interesting who goes but until one of them is gone Colby is blocked. I guess Ludwick could be traded to open things up. At this point though Luddy seems to be a bit more of a complete hitter than Ank naturally and how much more will Ank improve?
I think Tony is definitely trying to keep Colby humble and hungry, which is respectable as long as he is not a complete ass hat about it. I did not get too riled up about the “he has not earned it” comment either. I think some people are more thin skinned than the players.
I want to see Colby up and playing to see how good he is. I just don’t see the point of having him up now unless he is fully healthy.
by ICbirdfan on Aug 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 months ago I would have laughed
at the thought of Ankiel not being on this team in 2009, but I am starting to wonder if Mo isn’t having second thoughts because he is somewhat looking to be prone to injuries. I think alot will do with what Boras demands of the Cardinals for Rick but I would say right now it is probably still Skip that is the odd man out. But you have to think that Mo will try to get a feeling from what Boras will want before they deal Skip.
by KYCards on Aug 28, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to think Skip will be gone this winter...
I just don’t see his value getting any higher, and Rasmus can do everything he can do and more. Rick OTOH has the potential to raise his value next season (consistency and health)…IMO there is no way we should consider moving Ludwick this winter…I like an OF of Ludwick, Rasmus and Ankiel with Mather as the 4th guy and maybe Jay as the 5th – unless we think he needs to play everyday. In which case maybe we get a Corner IF/OF in the mold of Mabry/Spezio.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 28, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Marti...
can be added as a 5th OFer…the guy isn’t getting any younger and I think all of us would like to see if the stories are true.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stories ARE ture
why would you even ask?
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well snice Mo makes the roster moves
There you go. Mo was one of the guys keep Rasmus off of the Roster after Spring Training.
by Evilfrog on Aug 28, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what you are saying?
Are you saying that since MO had something to do with keeping Rasmus off the roster this year, he’s going to keep him off next year too?
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His entire career hasn't been good.....
He’s been good in spurts.
And typically, he’s started off slow at each stop. Why call him up after a rough year, and watch him hit .200 off the bench? You really think he needs that?
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 28, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it has been.
Spurts, you could say that about every player, even Pujols.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.....
But Rasmus has historically started off downright terribly. I still don’t get calling him up after a tough year, to come off the bench. Nobody knows for sure, but I think he’d struggle in that role mightily. Why risk that?
We’ll be fine in the OF. Maybe Lopez gets an extra start or two out there, but we’ll be fine.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I can kind of see why he might not come
up this year because of the injury one has to wonder at what point do the Cards call him up? I tend to agree with HL in that it really wouldn’t hurt to bring him up in Sept so he can at least get a taste of what the majors is like. But the big question for me is…. Will he get a shot for 2009? If he always starts off downright terribly then there will be a case made every year that he is not ready. At some point they need to find out. I would hate to see him be in the minors at the age of 25-26 because he historically starts off terribly.
If the orginazition continues this pattern they might as well trade him in a package for a guy like Matt Holliday.
I think Rasmus’s injury really hurt his chances this year and that’s why I am tending to not jump on Tony or Mo if he doesn’t get the call-up…but it will be interesting to see how things play out in spring if Skip is still on the team.
by KYCards on Aug 28, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say do what they're doing now
let him finish out the season, then prepare for winterball. By default off of those injuries, he’s well rested.
He plays winterball, then spring training. If he puts up last years numbers in spring training, put him on the team.
Use the offseason to make sure there’s sufficient room for him.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 28, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me that the more people talk about their worries
the more this has snowballed into some ridiculous idea that LaRussa, MO, and probably Duncan hate the kid and have vowed to never let him see a major league dugout.
He’s 21 and is coming off a poor year and a fairly significant knee injury. No big rush here.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put him at 2nd...
that way he’s not a drain on the offense – he could obviously handle it defensively.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope your joking
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 28, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're
even,
vacation + hangover + 8 inning comeback + el hombre going incredible hulk = grammar not on par. sigh
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 28, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crap
I hadn’t thought about that.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine the turn on the DP?
As a leftie he’d have to do a complete 180 against the grain to make it happen. I’d love to see it!
by birdo rojo on Aug 28, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
and with a sore MCL.
forget ’09 if that happens. makes that choice easy
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 28, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think being lefty makes it easier
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
kennedy is a lefty.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 29, 2008 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only in batting thought
Not throwing
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 29, 2008 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his slow starts have to do with adjusting to the league
Then wouldn’t it be good to get him some at bats against major league pitching this year to ease his transition next year? Then maybe he wouldn’t have such a slow start.
by OCCardsFan on Aug 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that depends on your goals for this year
Are you still in it? If so, it is imperitive you win almost every single game. What if he starts out 0 for 10? Do you just let him ride it out as if every spot in the order is important except his?
If you’ve given up on this season then by all means, call his ass up sink or swim. But I don’t think the team has thrown in the towel just yet.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My response above...
was supposed to go here.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 28, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I knew what you were saying anyway
and I’m really disappointed I hadn’t come to that conclusion since I’m one of the bigger proponents of moving anyone to 2nd base ever since my eyes were opened.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can get
Cain from the Giants for Duncan still, they need a 1b’er, they won’t mind the bum disc
ah how things come full circle on Viva El Birdos
Rejoice!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 28, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when do you bute the bullet and get past
the slow start that everyone seems convinced he’ll have.
by azruavatar on Aug 28, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two weeks after a fully recovered knee
Anyone know how the question was worded that caused Tony to reply that Rasmus hasn’t earned it? I always like to know the baiting question to see the whole picture.
Example – So Tony when Colby is brought up do you plan to platoon him with Ludwick?
by ubeddie on Aug 28, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think some people care...
I think some like to have something to complain about, and enjoy flying off the handle a bit……… makes for good talk…..
I would like to know the contex of the interview. Someone said it awhile ago, TLR is a smart man but he is not a verg good speaker. He is very choppy and uses words that don’t fit at times. I guess really lots of his interview are right after the game and he has not had a lot of time to think about much…. The media just starts firing away.
I am sure if Tony is more well prepared he must be a bit more well spoken.
by ICbirdfan on Aug 28, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus could come up and contribute right now
but the business side trumps whatever help he could provide at this post turning point in the season. I think we have been toast ever since the MIL 4-game sweep in July.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 28, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which, noting past comments on Razzmatazz has been largely debunked.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about John Jay?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amauri cazana marti!
This is what we have him stashed in mexico for, isn’t it?
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 28, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bring him on up!
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if ankiel is really out
that certainly affects the call-up discussion.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 28, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know who was really good in spring training?
Ivan Rodriguez had a great spring. Maybe we can trade him from the yankees and play him in the outfield.
by abothecardinal on Aug 28, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Juan Gonzales still on the Memphis restricted list?
He’s rested, and he’s ready to go…there’s your spare OF!!
by tbell61 on Aug 28, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually,
he should probably be played at second base, since it’s easy to move catchers to second base, as it’s the easiest defensive position on the field.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect example.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we still probably miss the playoffs.....
And you’ll be cussing management if he becomes a FA a year early.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 28, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
millionth run
Surprised nobody was on this one yet, lb.
Without search engine assistance: the millionth run in baseball history was scored by Bob Watson, wearing a Houston Astros uni.
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 28, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oops
I used my search, even, for watson, but “Match case” was accidentally checked on. My bad.
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 28, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
clarification
“I used my search”, on this page, in my browser. Uggh. Should’ve just read all the posts.
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 28, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waking the Sleeping Giant
Did anyone else get a Paul Atreides flashback from Dune
Paul: Father… father, the sleeper has awakened!
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+10 on the reference
but “waking the sleeping giant” reminded me more of “tora! tora! tora!” than dune.
by mattybobo on Aug 28, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought dune (the old school version)
“THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!!!”
“BREWERS!!! WE’RE COMING FOR YOU!!!”
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 28, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sleeper has awakened
got to love Blizzard and their Pop Culture references. I haven’t seen Dune (i know i just lost a point from my geek cred) but that line is used in Warcraft 3 when a new Druid is created.
by StLHugo on Aug 28, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Strap yourselves in boys, we're in for some chops'
I was watching Aliens the other day and picked up some nice Starcraft lines
“Were in the pipe, 5 by 5,”
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting bit about Pujols from Olney
As we all know, he has good eyesight and strength:
Hitting and pitching coaches say they can tell a lot about the comfort level of a batter by how he takes a pitch. If he rarely reacts, if he never looks awkward, then odds are that he’s identifying the pitches right out of the pitcher’s hand — and perhaps even before then.
Pujols rarely checks his swing, never changes expression, never appears confused or flustered. He just stands erect — until somebody throws him a hittable pitch in the strike zone. And then he mashes the ball.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally like when
he nods his head like ‘Alright, Alright’ when someone throws him a breaking ball. It’s like “You fool! Now I’ve seen it.”
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the great hitters in history are this way
You rarely ever saw Gwynn or Bonds look confused at the plate. Hank Aaron’s expression rarely changed throughout the course of the game.
He’s probably one of the best hitters in history at setting up pitchers, getting them to throw him the pitch he wants. Only the truly great ones are able to do that on a consistent basis.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 28, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
St. Louis Cardinals slugger Pujols gets Babe Ruth test at Washington University
Remember tests in April 06 Proved his BAMF stature
“What was remarkable about Mr. Pujols’ performance was not his speed but his unique visual search strategy,” White said. "Most people search for targets on a page from left to right, much as they would when reading. In observing Mr. Pujols’ performance, I initially thought he was searching randomly. As I watched, however, I realized that he was searching as if the page were divided into sectors. After locating a single target within a sector, he moved to another sector. Only after locating a single target within each sector, did he return to previously searched sectors and continue his scan for additional targets.
http://mednews.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/7535.html
This is a link to first tests being done in 1921 to Babe Ruth
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for posting that
I was trying to think of where I read that info a couple of years ago. basically the article says that baseball players like Pujols have reaction time several magnitude greater than the average person
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Took some time to track it down
STLToday is a horrible web page. Their was supposed to be some video to go with it too but I can’t find it
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I thought that place to be nearly unnavigable
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this story
I tell it often at Sports bars during games. Generally after Pujols does something otherworldly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite part was that he broke the device for measuring finger-tapping
because he tapped that sucker so hard. and then he fixed the finger-tapping device because he’s superman.
by mattybobo on Aug 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
That’s the part that gets the best reaction from audiences.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 28, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was something in Wired magazine about those tests too
It was an issue from last summer I believe
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 29, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A fun note about Pendleton's 87 HR
I was driving through West Texas on Monday listening to the Mets/Astros game and happened to hear a neat story about Pendleton’s big homerun, which sure got me excited in my living room when I was 13. Ron Darling had been interviewed before the game about his biggest memories of the soon-to-be-defunct Shea, and the announcers said his most memorable moment was not the 86 World Series victory, but a game in Sept. 87 that he left in the 7th or so after injuring his thumb covering first on a play with Coleman. Darling got his thumb wrapped and was out in the parking lot trying to get into his convertible, a delicate operation with the injured digit, apparently. The lot was beyond the outfield wall, and, to add insult to the injury, he hears a big whoosh as a baseball leaving Shea bounces up and leaves a dent in his convertible’s door. That was Pendleton — nicely done, TP.
I’d never heard that story, and it adds a nice wrinkle to a great Cardinal moment. May Carlos Villanueva’s dented ego be the Turning Point of ’08!
by jfs on Aug 28, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure I believe Pendleton’s homer went that far, but that is hilarious.
by greenback06 on Aug 28, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for putting it in perspective...
… " May Carlos Villanueva’s dented ego be the Turning Point of ’08!"…
I stood where no man goes... May Carlos Villanueva’s dented ego be the Turning Point of ’08!
by Desert_Rat on Aug 28, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't sure where to fit this into todays discussion
Just think it’s funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_DTS4Ksjo
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you could write a book
on all of the things wrong with those 52 seconds.
There are more than 52 things wrong and that would be one of the things wrong.
by Harknights on Aug 28, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"come see, what the brewers are dooo-iiin"
heh
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing that's the horrible cubs song
I won’t even click on it, since it’s the worst song ever. even a lot of cubs fans admit it.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Uecker and that old Brewers hat logo
are the only things that save that clip from being totally unforgivable.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 29, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Thanks for the new signature, lb.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Aug 28, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pujols
since august 18 the cards have had 4 off days. pujols is 500/.581/.923 during this time
it definitely appears the extra rest has really helped him
by Glowsticks on Aug 28, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
since august 4
our first offday of the month, he’s at 372 / 481 / 721 with 7 HRs
by Glowsticks on Aug 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.421 .522 .816
geez, meant that slash line since august 4
by Glowsticks on Aug 28, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has been complaining about the baseball schedule
But part of me thinks that getting some rest toward the end of a long season has positive implications. Not negative ones. I guess any advantage would be offset if our rivals get the same days off, though.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Aug 28, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i personally enjoy the off days too
sometimes its good to clear your head of everything & take a deep breath for a minute you know?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 29, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that I need another reason to watch Gustav
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/204513.shtml?5day#contents
The real reason I don’t like this off-day. /alarmist
- Y.2.2
by Yadi2Second on Aug 28, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus
Long time listener…first time caller…Rasmus better end up being damn good…. i’m glad we didn’t make any deals dumping him for a rental or a veteran who is overpaid as a knee jerk reaction to the cubs and brewers deals for sabathia and harden, BUT I reeeeally really hope he’s worth the wait.
But that's not everywhere. I asked one friend, a lifelong Cardinals fan, a lifelong Cubs hater, a sensitive soul who admits bawling like a baby during Brian's Song, if maybe he could feel glad if the Cubs finally win. After all, it has been a 100 years. He looked at me as if I had asked him if he felt any sympathy at all for Attila the Hun. "I hope they lose for another 100 years," he said. "At least by then, I'll be dead."-espn.com article
by those are cobras, man. on Aug 28, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did the brewers pitcher do yesterday to make AP so mad
by BobaSchrute on Aug 28, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pointed to the cardinals dugout
made some remarks and then, after pujols responded to go back to his dugout, switched to spanish for some more colorful commentary.
by azruavatar on Aug 28, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for god sakes man. i hope not.
But that's not everywhere. I asked one friend, a lifelong Cardinals fan, a lifelong Cubs hater, a sensitive soul who admits bawling like a baby during Brian's Song, if maybe he could feel glad if the Cubs finally win. After all, it has been a 100 years. He looked at me as if I had asked him if he felt any sympathy at all for Attila the Hun. "I hope they lose for another 100 years," he said. "At least by then, I'll be dead."-espn.com article
by those are cobras, man. on Aug 28, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
friggin' cubs
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they're coming back, aren't they...
switched over to the obama speech
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
craptastic
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm done worrying about the Cubs
We won’t be catching them. I’m more worried that the Phils are a half game behind us.
by Phizzle on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless we sweep the rest of the cubs series
now wouldn’t that be a mindf@ck
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worring about the cubs for a different reason
we NEED them to beat down the Phillies. That is one of 3 teams that are a major competitor to the wild card.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
but there are 18 games we badly need the cubs to go 12-6 in.
win 12:
3 – NYM
3 – PHIL
6 – MIL
lose 6 against Cards.
Unfortunately our fate lies largely in their hands.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 29, 2008 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realistic
Phillies pose more of a threat to us than the Cubs right now
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
either way, I’m happy
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
career years
The entire Cubs lineup (with a single notable exception) is having a career year.
As of the end of last night’s games here’s the difference between their season OPS and their career OPS.
soriano +47
theriot +24
Lee -36
Ramirez +57
Derosa +102
Edmonds +54 based on a 960 OPS as a Cub, omitting SD #
Fukudome R
Soto R
net +248 or on average a +31 compared to career #
bench
johnson +63
fontenot +85 season OPS of 896 !
Cedeno +53
Blanco +69
Ward -46
by vances law on Aug 28, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 5 run 8th innings with their backs to the wall
are SOOOOO believable.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a definite pattern there
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 28, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets just ignore it
while they’re playing the Phils, Mets and Brewers.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 28, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Betting against the margins
have to see where we should put our chips: Cards and Brewers take 10 of remaining 12 vs Cubs to close the gap or Cubs beating down all our other opponents for us.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the cubs to beat down all our opponents
Either way, the Cards have work to do.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 29, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
best case scenario
is cubs beat all our opponents, and then roll over and let us beat on them
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which then you risk them getting so far ahead that they shut down early – which doesn’t bode well for us considering who they play late Sept.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah but if we win a bunch against them
then they may not have that luxury. I’m just thinking wishfully of course. plus, the cubs want to be on a roll when they go into the playoffs, rather than resting… at least, it seems that’s the way to go in recent years.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I enjoy the Cubs-Cards rivalry immensely. Cards fans are the only ones worth talking to. As you’ve probably come to realize, the Brewers franchise and their fans are just, well, horrible is too nice a word.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their fans seem to be amenable
but I hate their team. Cubs fans get a bad name from the people who always say year in and year out that the Cardinals suck, even though history says otherwise. or when they boo Chris Carpenter when he’s hurt. they often seem to be more of an uneducated fan, like Bosox fans. but that’s mainly a stereotype, since there are obvious exceptions. hell, most of the people I know are cubs fans, and they are fairly knowledgeable. sox fans can be retarded though…
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs fans
I know respect the Cardinals over all other teams, except maybe the Red Sox. The White Sox are the problem in this city. People have to deal with that sh*t when they go to work. That’s just fu*ked up. It’s ugly. After that, it’s the crazy Brewers fans from Wisco.
And about Carp, they weren’t booing him or his injury; they had no way of knowing he was hurt and would never boo someone that was injured. They were just booing the appearance of LaRussa on the field, who is no favorite here.
Despite being the greatest manager in the history of the game.
And yes, I’m completely serious.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
karma.
You should have left it alone a long time ago. The Cubs are better than the Cards. Deal.
Look what this year earned you:
http://www.anothercubsblog.net/images/uploads/final-brackets.jpg
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1908
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 29, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2108*
Why keep a tradition down? Besides, just think of the money/MSM you all can milk when you go for the bicentennial. It’ll be fantastic!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Mark Cuban will be down for that
;>
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not an automatic once thought to be a few months back, some stiff competition for it.
Only in MLB can you buy a franchise that represents a century of suck, and pay a billion or more for it.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
do you realize how much money is to be made there?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is the extra revenue streams going to come from?
I realize how much is being made there, and the archaic system MLB operates, getting a billion dollars back will take a long ass time.
Your return on investment would be better served getting a team such as the Royals or similar and investing there.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying in the merchandise alone
there would be a huge revenue stream. there are a ton of people here and in the suburbs, not to mention across the country, who will buy this merchandise year in and year out no matter how the team is doing. then add to it this year evident sales through the roof and you have a very attractive sale.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't depreciate
The owner won’t have to make back a billion dollars in profits, because the team will (almost certainly) maintain its value. If money becomes tight, they sell the team and get someone else to pay a billion dollars.
by Ikcelaks on Aug 29, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your asset also has to appreciate, which at a billion plus (the bidding hasn’t really started yet, last I heard there was 9 groups looking into getting it, so it could go extreme), I contend that at its price it’ll be hard to do so.
if it doesn’t appreciate, you’re looking at a overall loss unless you can somehow sell for a profit – unless you tax your market more and more (tickets and the like), which wouldn’t be wise
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
contrast that to how he got the Mavs
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A century of
suckier ownership.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
the Cards have been somewhat lucky that the Cubs have had lame ownership. although now it seems the Tribune is trying to save face before they sell.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
is exactly what they’ve done. Still hate them though. Criminals.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's like they just want to make the team look even better
before they sell. now that’s greedy as hell.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by that I mean
that there’s already a vast, marketable fanbase, then you make it seem like they are a team set up to win for some time.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep in mind they’re stacked with reasonably bad contracts and as a team they’re largely playing over career numbers.
not that it’s a horribly bad thing for both to be happening at the same time, but it’s mostly a mirage on someone else thinking they have that in a product for the next few years
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I am saying
the Trib is stepping it up this year and putting all the chips on the table to make it look like it’s an even better sale, when the team has a lot of contracts ballooning in the next few years. not that the buyers won’t know that, but at least it puts those facts slightly beneath the surface.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All true
But Cuban will spend to make sure a lot of those contracts don’t matter. And he’ll have cover to do so coming in as a new owner.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get how this guy got so rich
from being a BLOGGER!
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
um, his blog is a communication tool.
he’s smart because he’s sold two tech companies, money made from buying the mavs at the right time (which I argue the Cubs isnt’ the right time or wise overall), and the fact that he does very well on other investments.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-smart + rich
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
must be nice
I’d buy the Cardinals though, someday…
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
always said I wanted to buy a baseball team
dad told me one day, “you know son, you made a mistake the day you chose the Cardinals to be the team you follow.. the Royals would be a hell of a lot cheaper”
sigh, he’s right.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go to bed now
damn, it’s humid here
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not hank
he won’t spend stupid to correct mistakes, but he’s a very smart man
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tackle Box
I didnt think I’d see a familiar name in that tourney. But, Tackle Box is in there.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Aug 29, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is the first I've even even known about that blog.
You’d think I’d have at least gotten a postcard or something congratulating me on my inclusion.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 29, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that seems kind of funny
what is the voting process? or is there any process?
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
how did you two end up on that list, HCL and TB? you been over there at BCB stirring up trouble? probably not very hard to do, heh
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think saying we were cheating
was not taken very well in a year like this. This Cubs team is very good, and after many years of futility, should be respected as such. They deserve it. Playoffs are a crapshoot though. You guys deserved the title two years in a row, didn’t get it, and then got it via the wild-card in an off-year. That’s baseball.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Aug 29, 2008 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that 2006 world championship
just didn’t seem like much… it’s like Detroit gave it to us on principle.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 29, 2008 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or it shown that a large tenant of the Cards – defense, really can pay dividends.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 29, 2008 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs