UPDATE: Instant replay coming to a stadium near you in August
by StLHugo on Aug 21, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3545338
Baseball Umpires and Owners have reached a deal to allow instant replay for boundary calls (fair/foul, homer/not homer) I would assume all calls from now on will be fair/no homer to allow the play to unfold and then get overturned similar to the fumble rules in the NFL.
What is your take on this? I can see this is a good thing and a bad thing. As long as it is limited to close plays and not used consistently for balls and strikes I don't see it as a bad thing at all.
EDIT: More information about it http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=3546044
This column has the actual implementation that is going to happen. There will be a War Room that has all the video feeds available from both teams for the game. That room will feed them to the Umpire reviewing the feed. Replays can only be called by an Umpire, and only for Home Run call disputes, NOT for a ball landing on the foul line. At least 1 Umpire will remain on the field at all times.
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I'm not saying I disapprove of this
but I do find it somewhat funny that, in this case, MLB is modeling itself after the NHL (that pillar of forward thinking, organizational fortitude and success).
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 21, 2008 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm okay with it...
and I wouldn’t mind seeing it used for tag/no tag (especially at the plate). I don’t want to see it used for safe/not at first base. I’m not sure about catch/no catch…this could be a mess with the runners having to tag..
Maybe the boundary calls is the only real place for it. There is something to be said for tradition…umpires blowing the occassional call goes WAY back.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 21, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the 'tradition' argument for getting things wrong
If they had sufficient video technology in 1905, wouldn’t replay DEFINITELY be part of the game?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 21, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thats like saying we enjoy not getting things right.
Just because something is traditional doesn’t make it a good idea.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 21, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may not "get" the tradition thing...
but it’s there. Bitching about blown calls is an important part of being a fan. Moreover I don’t want a nearly three hour game to turn into a 3.5 hour game due to constant replays. I’m fine with boundary calls, plays at the plate, and maybe catch/no catch (if you can figure out the baserunning part…if a catch is overturned do you automatically award two bases to every runner…is it up to the umps?).
by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it really take longer to review a play
than it takes for the slighted manager to run onto the field, scream at the umpire, have a second umpire come onto the field, have the manager turn around, then yell some more, and then finally go back to the dugout? Because that’s what happens almost every time that the umpires blow a call. I’d just rather they get the call right the first time.
But really, a ‘tradition’ argument could be used in favor of almost every wrong thing in society, in baseball or elsewhere.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 22, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slavery was a tradition
so was burning women at the stake for being attractive witches.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Aug 22, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really the tradition thing...
was more of a joke…kind of like speed at the top of the lineup (or in the middle infield)regardless of onbase/offensive ability.
Balls and strikes are inarguable and result in immediate ejection if argued. Allowing a review for them would be cumbersome (IMO). As you can see from my post(s) I don’t have a problem with replay and like it to a degree…I just don’t want to have to stay till 11:00 everynight to hear the end of the games.
umpires blowing the occassional call goes WAY back.
Bitching about blown calls is an important part of being a fan
Do these not sound a bit tongue in cheek to you? If not I need to work on my sarcasm a little.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blue text
I always found sarcasm hard to read unless it is in blue text
by StLHugo on Aug 22, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh...
how does one go about turning text blue on VEB? I’ve seen a lot of guys reference a sarcasm alert or filter…guess I’ll start being more specific.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. apologies.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 22, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say if we're going to use this
why not use it for balls/strikes? It seems that’s the thing the umps mess up the most.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Extends the game
The main argument against replay is that it could make the game longer, can you imagine if we could use it to check a ball call? Unless you are limited in the number of replays the games could get very long very fast. I say, don’t interrupt an AB if at all possible.
by StLHugo on Aug 21, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
it would make more sense to go with robots for balls/strikes than it would going to instant replay.
Especially since it is also hard to get a truly good camera angle for balls/strikes
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 21, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
While Pitch F/X is far from perfect is the the closest we have to a reliable automated balls/strikes system, I wouldn’t be adverse to MLB using it to compare with Umpires and looking at which is more accurate over an entire season. Heck they might already be doing this secretly.
by StLHugo on Aug 21, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I would love to see the umpires ranked against pitch f/x. pitch f/x is probably inaccurate enough that it wouldn’t be all that useful for sorting out the good umpires, but I betchya that you could very quickly identify the horrible umpires.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 21, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I was thinking
It isn’t perfect but the ones that are more than 50% off might warrant looking into.
by StLHugo on Aug 21, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I think this is a very good suggestion, to use pitch f/x to grade the umpires… it will in the end make them do a better job, and hopefully weed out the ones who are inconsistent or need glasses.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 21, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robots?
Did someone say robots? THE TIME OF THE ROBOT UMPIRE IS NIGH!
by Midwestside on Aug 24, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they should allow...
so many challenges per game like in football. How about two per team…and still not for balls/strikes.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does there need to be a time-out replay?
I think there should just be an ump(s) in the “booth” watching everything on monitors as it happens. Then all you have to do is have the umps where an earpiece to get the verdict on the questionable play in almost real time.
Nick Stavinoah = John Gall
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 23, 2008 3:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We can all tell as we watch tv what happens...why can't umps in a booth?
Nick Stavinoah = John Gall
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 23, 2008 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy effin sh...
Really MLB!! A “war room” in NYC how stupid…so much easier than hiring 15 guys, buying 15 tv’s and 15 ear pieces. Has anyone else ever noticed how long these replays take in the NHL?
Nick Stavinoah = John Gall
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 27, 2008 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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