Game 128 Open Thread: August 19 2008
by lboros on Aug 19, 2008 7:15 PM EDT
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Pittsburgh Pirates at St. Louis Cardinals, Aug 19, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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| Snell | Looper |
| 4-10, 5.91 | 11-9, 4.07 |
here's an old clip of bob gibson and denny mcclain jamming (if you could call it that) on "the ed sullivan show" back in 1968. i highly recommend that you watch.
the bucs have gone 6-11 since they traded away jason bay and xavier nady, averaging just under 3 runs a game and posting a team OPS of .652. they have scored 2 runs or fewer in 9 of the 17 games. the cards very much need to sweep the pair.
tonight's pirate starter, ian snell, has already faced the cardinals 4 times this year and has yielded 4 or more runs every time; his era vs st louis is 9.00, his ops against a robust .904. looper has faced the bucs once and got a cheap win --- 5.2 inn, 11 baserunners, 3 runs. he can equal last year's win total with a victory tonight.
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Now that's talent...
Bronson Arroyo can’t hold a candle… Sure he’s a bit more theatrical, but who isn’t these days?
by guayzimi on Aug 19, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals lineup vs. Snell
Schumaker 7/17, .412/.412/.471, 2B, 3 RBI
Ankiel 1/8, .125/.385/.125, RBI, 4 BB, K
Pujols 12/27, .444/.545/.963, 2 2B, 4 HR, 7 RBI, 5 BB, 2 K
Glaus 7/10, .700/.727/.900, 2 2B, 3 RBI, BB
Ludwick 0/6, .000/.000/.000, 4 K
Lopez 4/15, .267/.333/.400, 2 2B, 2 RBI, 2 BB, 2 K
Molina 8/20, .400/.538/.600, 2B, HR, 2 RBI, 5 BB, 3 K
Looper 1/3, .333/.333/.333, K
Izturis 3/14, .214/.214/.214, 2 RBI, K
Bench
Miles 2/10, .200/.273/.500, HR, 3 RBI, BB, K
Kennedy 3/17, .176/.176/.176, 4 RBI, SB
Mather, Barton, and LaRue have not faced Snell
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it....
We should cruise tonight. Need a sweep, at least 2-3 from the Braves (preferably Friday and Saturday since I’ll be there), then a sweep of the Brewers.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda surprised LaRue has never faced Snell
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snell career vs. STL
12 games, 11 starts. 3-4, 5.06 ERA, 1.61 WHIP
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read that last post on Sabathia...
the Brewers are getting their money’s worth. They’re really running him into the ground. I guess he’ll only make another 10 starts for them so why not push it…
by guayzimi on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that great
“The Girl from Ipanema” is one of my favorite songs ever, he played it right, but his messing around with different organ sounds and leading up to each strain by rolling up the keys really took away from the performance to me. I couldn’t hear Gibby in the encore.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight -
you’re criticizing Denny McClain – the organist! Ha! Like taking a spade to a souffle, in the immortal words of P. J. Wodehouse.
What about Gibson – the guitarist?
There's some fucking pros out there that wanna fucking play the game ... ... but you're stuck in the fucking stigma of the fucking Dodgers, and the Phillies, and the Cardinals, and all that cheap shit.
by Urban Pawnee on Aug 19, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
I couldn’t hear him, unless his guitar made the exact sound of an organ.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, expect a CG shutout for snell :(
Well, we have no impact on the game so I guess it’s fine for us to get cocky, Cards need to play their butts off and not focus on past success.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Cards will win tonight. you wanna know why?
because i’m not there.
also, for any one not watching the pregame, Adam said he is dead set on starting. he wants to pitch, he’s ready to pitch, and he doesn’t want to go on another rehab start. the Cat & televisions own Pat Paris agree that the Cardinals will have him start based on “what they are hearing from the Cardinals behind the scenes.”
i hope what they are hearing is correct. it better be.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I give the club the benefit of the doubt
that they are not complete idiots and Wainwright will be starting when he’s healthy.
Also, I love Adam’s competitiveness. It sounds like he’s going to be downright effing pissed if he’s not in the rotation (as well he should be).
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I hope he threatened to hurt somebody
if he was left out of the rotation.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like he's fed up with the surrounding him.
I’m tired of hearing about how a Wainwright/Carp rotation isn’t possible, that is the only way to put on a sustained run and make the playoffs.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the [stupidity] around him
left out a word there.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm more worried about Carps health than Adam's
he’s the one they need to be extra careful with considering he’s coming off the more severe injury.
i agree with you that Adam’s pissed. he sure sounded upset that he wouldn’t be starting.
i think it all comes down to Tony & Dave’s lack of faith in rookies. but if Young Pitcher & KMac haven’t proved by now that they can handle the 8th & 9th, i dont know what else those kids can do to make Tony & Dave believe they got it covered. we really gotta wonder, did they learn nothing from October 2006?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
So he definitely isn’t starting? Or he might start pending whether he throws a huge tantrum?
by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
official word is, they still don't know
they are still waiting on how Carp feels.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The revised P-D piece today
made it sound like it was more up in the air now even though the Carpenter long-toss went as well or better than could be expected. I think we may be watching some backtracking as the cascade of stupidity is starting to tumble onto all concerned.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we change KMac's nickname
to KMcC? Pronounced the same, but with correct (and goofier) spelling. Please?
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will start using that
if only because I like goofy
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're what, 0-fer 26?
Let’s do a little probability. Assuming each team has an equal chance of winning the game (50:50), the odds of you seeing 26 losses in 26 tries is
(0.5)^26 = 0.00000149%
Just…wow
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, i knew i was unlucky
but i had no idea i was that unlucky.
i man never attend another Cardinal game.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
It’s just one game out of 162. Now when it comes to the playoffs….
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's no way i'm going to a playoff game. not untill the streak is over.
whats weird is when i was a kid, we’d always sit in the same section at Busch II. in the outfield to the left of Big Mac land. my cousins got free tickets from their schools for good grades, good attendance, etc, and the seats were always the same. so all 25 of those loses i saw setting in the same seats, in the late 80’s & 90’s.
now those weren’t the best Cardinal teams, so maybe that explains it a little bit. but what about Sunday? well thats more bad luck again because Volquez started for the Reds & Lohse has not been pitching his best of late.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright just said
that he has the strongest middle finger in the league.
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's a Troy Glaus quote btw
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure,
just after he said it, Adam laughed a little & said that’s a Troy Glaus quote
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
Mlb.tv carried the pregame. Its kinda aggravating to have paid all that money, and not be able to see the pre/post game coverage.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dish network offers a sports package for like $6 a month
it includes all the fox sports channels. you can watch the pregame, but at game time its blacked out. three hours after game time it comes back on. i get to see most of the postgame show usually, and when there are rain delays or a game goes long i get to see the end of it.
obviously, use mlb.tv for the three hours in between.
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a plan
but, I dont have dish or direct tv. I have wonderful, black everything out unless its NYY, BOS, or CHC, Comcast cable.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Aug 19, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i have on Dish
it’s well worth it
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its weird to see the cards play pittsburgh
without jason bay’s name in the lineup.
definitely a good thing, though.
mclouth is also off tonight also. conditions are perfect.
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all this wainwright to the rotation or bullpen talk has gotten me thinking....
Just how good of a manager is Tony LaRussa? The guy has won games than almost anybody…the track record speaks for itself. However, most of the time, he has been given a team with a decent amount of talent and payroll to manage. Is this the reason he has won so many games, or is he really that good?
If he and Dave Duncan decide to put Wainwright in the pen, then I think I jump off the fence on this question and say that the guy really isn’t that great of a manager, but he has just been the beneficiary to a front office willing to spend at least above average on it’s team.
Anyone else care to comment?
by hockeyno93 on Aug 19, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’d say he’s done a wonderful job with this year’s team.
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
to add: this years team wasnt projected to be very good at all, let alone contending for the playoffs. I think he has done a wonderful job with some teams of the same ilk. To me, he is one of the best managers ever to wear the BOB, or any other uniform for that matter.
I may be alone in my sentiments. No worries though, its kinda common.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Aug 19, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of the "this team wasn't supposed to be good" so TLR is a genious stuff.
I think Ludwick being an MVP candidate, the lucky pickup of Lohse, Albert being health, the Colonel and Looper stepping it up, and KMac coming out of nowhere helped more than anything. Can’t really credit pitcher hitting 8th for helping that much.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's a quick-and-dirty formula
for the manager’s effect. Actual wins – projected wins = manager’s impact. Okay, it’s not real precise. But over time, I think you can rely on it a bit assuming the preseason predictions are always done using objective data.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that objective data was totally wrong?
because of TLR? I doubt it.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think actual wins-pythag wins is better
Because that uses the actual season’s data rather than projected data, which is obviously subject to fluctuation and error
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
Whatever measurement you want to use, the formula is the same. There is an “X” factor for the manager, and it’s the difference between predicted (or pythagorean) wins and the actual wins.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 win difference, easily could be random chance.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2 wins this season (so far)
+8 wins last season
+1 win in 2006
+0 wins in 2005
+3 wins in 2004
That’s as far back as ESPN goes. He’s consistently above pythag.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+8 wins last season could because of the way the pitching staff was set up
Pen was great and held most small leads, but the rotation would constantly pitch terrible games that ended in blowouts. So the run differential could easily be from other factors.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, in conclusion
you will give him no credit, no matter what we say?
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, becaue I've seen enough, so I can't be convinced by stats that aren't traditionally even used to judge managers.
There is a reason writers and analysts don’t site X-W-L to judge their performance. It’s too random.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be an even greater manager
if he hadn’t allowed the Izzinator to cost us actual wins. Look at what he’d be vs the pythag then!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
Man, he’s frustrating.
(But the list of guys I’d rather have in the dugout is awfully short.)
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's definitely not without blame
And definitely not above criticism. But on the whole (Preparation H feels good on the whole, heheheh) I’d say he’s pretty damn good.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought pythagorean wins
was based on run differential
if that is the case, I don’t really see how your formula equates with manager effect
by vances law on Aug 19, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to use
preseason pythagorean wins, rather than ex post facto data. Managing a blowout loss or win is not really a valuable trait, and it could easily adversely affect the end-of-season lookback.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Blowouts are gonna happen, regardless of the manager. Sometimes the pitcher just doesn’t work out. Those are going to affect the pythag much more than 1- or 2- run games, which are won by great managers and/or great bullpens.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's good
But the “he’s won more games than almost anybody” argument pisses me off. He’s also lost more games than almost anybody.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does some things very very very well
and he does other things that nobody else would do. It usually works out for him. But putting Wainwright into the bullpen right now is just dumb
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's such a fine line between stupid an'...
clever
by vances law on Aug 19, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he always does questionable moves
But what I think he does better than anyone is keeping a team together and keep them motivated…rob meyer had a good blog today that basically said if managing was just lineups and pitching changes most people would do just as good as Cox Torre Larussa etc but it’s not that simple, I think people forget that.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on Aug 19, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he gets out of guys like
So or Nunez or Luna or Mabry or etc, etc is remarkable. They go elsewhere and fall completely off of the map.
The man still drives me nuts plenty o’ times, though.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely
agree!
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on Aug 19, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 fantastic point
ESPN Management (CT): Umm…...what does this have to do with the Red Sox and Yankees?
SportsNation Jerry Crasnick: Management, Let’s take a break with the sarcasm, OK?
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 19, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
otoh
took him more than a year to realize ryan ludwick could be an MLB starter.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long did it take the rest of MLB?
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
by nomar34 on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Houston
Go Redbirds
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Braun is having back problems, and CC isn't pitching
So the ’Stros have a chance.
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Aug 19, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First inning is important for Looper
Helps you figure out how he’s going to do.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great pick lopez
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Aug 19, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God Doumit!
Pirates lead
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Aug 19, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lead-off walk
in a must win,and good opportunity with below average opponent
all makes sense
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on Aug 19, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walks are bad, Braden
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind walking Michaels
It makes no sense from a statistical standpoint, but man does he kill us.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great start, Skippy
Let’s pay ’em back fourfold for that run!!
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 19, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
surprise rick
who would have thought a low change up would be a problem
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on Aug 19, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in the offseason/ST
can they set up a pitching machine that will throw changeups at the ankles and below only, and send Rick out to NOT hit off it?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just womder
how long does it take to adjust to such a constant pattern of pitching
it seems a good hitter could adjust after during a season after 100+ times of seeing the same pattern used against him
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on Aug 19, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.
Perhaps they can set the machine in front of a scoreboard which always read inning 8 or 9, perpetually simulating late game situations?
by fuegophil on Aug 19, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
need to get someone to stand on third as well
the perfect storm.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
santa
was 7 for 10 against snell before that at bat.
crazy train is his intro song.
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I thought you were ahead of me (on gameday) and got excited that he got a hit. Then I realized you were just asking for it, not celebrating it.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although, I think Pittsburgh might have a worse bottom 3 in the lineup than we do
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIS NAME IS LUDWICK, NOT LUDWIG!!
for craps sake!
even the PA guy down in the Natti on Sunday didn’t say it right. how freaking hard is it to get right? seriously.
man i really hate FNS Pitt
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IT'S FSN NOT FNS!!
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my god
shoot me now
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just messin' with ya :)
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i totally deserve it after that
nice catch Floppy
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny how albert didn't even move towards the bag
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floppy?
Mr Redbird’s other nickname is Snowflake!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floppy = Felipe Lopez
Who’s the snowflake now?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you all should have seen the looks i got
sunday when i yelled out all our nick names for the boys. by far the biggest laughs & odd looks were for Mini Me & Floppy.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did the Puppy Kicker sign go over?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was told i was not allowed to have a sign
but a white sox fans 10 or so rows back had a huge one. i had a note book & a marker with me, but i was running a little late & i left it in my truck.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fun haters
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
I just thought it was funny. I guess I was laughing at & with myself
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously think that
the guy on my avatar/picture thingy/whatever smiles a little bit every time someone calls him Ludwig
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man Snell is pumping strikes tonight
ESPN Management (CT): Umm…...what does this have to do with the Red Sox and Yankees?
SportsNation Jerry Crasnick: Management, Let’s take a break with the sarcasm, OK?
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 19, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so is AJ Burnett vs the Yanks
he’s already got 11K’s and he’s only at 68 pitches & it’s the top of the 7th.
someone’s pitching for a big deal next season
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he reportedly
“wants to go somewhere closer to home”…
I like the sound of that.
Wow, F-lop!
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by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's from Little Rock
I believe that’s huge Cardinal country, although the Rangers are nearby and the Braves kinda took over the South for about ten years ago
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, its huge Cardinal land
they used to have the AA team in LR.
i’m torn, you know he’s going to be on the DL at least twice a year, and he’s not going to make more than 25 starts. but when he’s healthy & pitching, boy is he good.
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a dissaster signing waiting to happen.
with this medical staff!
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way:
Would you rather pay Burnett 15 mil a year to be awesome for 25 starts (and allowing, say, a Todd or Mortenson to showcase during his missed starts), or pay a Joel clone 7.5 mil a year to be mediocre for 32 starts?
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Although I’d be worried he’d make fewer than 25 starts
Also, nice Ferris Bueller sig
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying it really fast
makes it sound like “Kennedy, kennedy, kennedy.” Which I feel can be pretty apt.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to say Kennedy can't hit?
And you’re right (and yes, I just read your sig aloud in my apartment by myself. I rule)
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather spend more and get a legit ace in Sabathia
If i’m going big money pitcher contracts.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But don't you think
CC’s ever increasing weight will make him injury prone at some point?
by fuegophil on Aug 19, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more along the lines of Ned Yost's requirement that he make
at least 150 pitches per start
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, the weight is actually a good thing
but 2 or 3 more starts for ned yost will put him on my “don’t touch with a 30 foot pole” list for sure.
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by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People were saying
similar things about Bartolo Colon’s build a few years ago.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
There is no such thing as a guarantee, and there’s anecdotal evidence for just about anything. But there have been a couple of recent studies that show that heavy pitchers in general tend to age better.
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by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Maybe it’s because when he gets his weight going toward home plate, it takes stress off of his arm? That’s how he gets his velocity. In basic physics terms, F=ma, so for Tim Lincecum and CC Sabathia to put the same force on the ball, Lincecum would have to accelerate his arm at a much higher rate than CC. Is this completely wrong? I know there are physicists on this board (aren’t you one?) so feel fee to correct me.
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
But it would seem to me that more weight would tend to cause a decrease in the proper motion needed to properly deliver the ball, in other words, it would seem to me that guys like Colon and Sabathia would be isolating their arm more than Lincecum, who would be capable of using a better full body motion.
But, like I said, I’m no doctor, and I am definitely not a physicist either, so?
by fuegophil on Aug 19, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, just look at Carp & the deal they gave him
i’d be all for getting CC AND AJ, but only if they got rid of Pinata, Lohse & LOOP.
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is the weight a good thing?
For a power pitcher, it seems like the added damage to knees, hips, etc… would lead to bad mechanics, meaning serious damage to elbows and shoulders. At least that’s what I would think, but I am definitely no doctor.
by fuegophil on Aug 19, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David wells was rarely hurt
fwiw
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by nomar34 on Aug 19, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but that’s going to be more around 20 mil. And that’s not going to happen
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 mil for Sabathia or 15 mil for a crapshoot.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every pitcher
is a crapshoot.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Hampton was once described as "durable"
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cc will get more years and more money
if we could get 3/45 or so for aj id take that in a heartbeat
by FunkeeC on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but will the Cards dump Pinata?
to pay for AJ?
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think yes (and I read it as should they)
if they can get someone to take Pin’s contract, at least for AJ’s first year he seems 7.5 M cheaper, at least in my eyes
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bourn just tied the game up in Milwaukee with a 2 run triple
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
think how frustrating it would be to have someone hitting .227 in the OF.
An we complain about our MIF.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like Pez is playing some good D tonight
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
come on yee Cardinals
scoreth thyselves some runs
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
51 pitches through 3 innings
looks like the pen will get a workout
by vances law on Aug 19, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't be too big of a deal
with all the off days
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really respect the astros
for not giving up. I hate the idea of “selling” at the deadline if your team isn’t winning, and even though it was not smart to “buy” in their situation, they deserve credit for being sportsmen and saying “we’re going to try to win even if it is unlikely”.
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by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand that sentiment
but they have ZERO farm system. It will take them a decade to crawl out of that hole.
If ever there was a team that should sell, it was them.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Reyes watch
five innings, six hits, two runs (both earned), three walks, three strikeouts.
if cleveland’s pen can hold the lead he’ll get the win.
by adiueordie on Aug 19, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's credited his manager and pitching coach
for creating a much more enjoyable workplace. He said it wouldn’t work in St. Louis anymore because they didn’t really seem to like him there.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats just awful he felt that way
and whats worse is that’s probably how he was treated by Tony & Dave.
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said on the Indians radio broadcast that his pitching coach told him
that when he is ahead in the count, he is free to use the 4-seamer up in the zone because it has such great movement. When he is behind, they’d like him to keep the ball down.
His first two starts, Anthony called his own game because his catcher had no idea what he liked to throw.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that X MO camera is sweet
F S N PITT just showed the reply of that pick by Albert to end the inning. that was cool. he had his eyes closed. the ball caught him more than he caught the ball.
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why would you throw ankiel anything but a change up
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice strikeout Blooper
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blooper doing real well
Cards are sleeping at the plate though.
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we got this
dont worry, start it off PHATALBERT
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was almost
wcbw-ian writing right there.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll put 20 VEB bucks
on a Pujols rip.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-2-3
:P
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WINNAR!!!!
I suck
I almost put 1-2-3, 3 K’s, that would have been impressive
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see your 20, and i raise you 100
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If all 3 go deep
EVERYBODY PARTY!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should all stop making predictions
for a little while.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe our boys
should all stop trying to hit home runs on balls out of the strike zone…
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by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boo me the most
my mere presence at the game was some serious bad joojoo.
holy shit LUD. damn, i am so cursed.
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo, Hunter Pence (awesome name) threw Cameron out at the plate
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bambi on ice?
Cause that is what Hunter’s legs look like.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit, this is not looking good
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who said earlier that Snell would pitch CG?
Nostradamus?
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by gocards62 on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE HELL
No way snell is that deceptive, quit swinging at utter junk!
by TheBirds on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf was that
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strikes out the side?
Man, we really screwed our guys! Not as bad as Larry, though. Whenever he writes the main story it’s like the ‘vote of confidence’ an NFL coach gets. Whatever he said, the opposite will happen very shortly.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The FSN Pittsburgh announcers are always so smug
when it comes to the Cardinals. I just don’t get it.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate them
i hate them soooo much
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looper's doing a great job
let’s GO offense!
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by gocards62 on Aug 19, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about some silliness for good luck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bravo
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by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont get british humor, but it worked man. well done
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least we got a runner to 3rd
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to start something Yadi
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Looper could hit?
His swing looks awful now.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did that miss
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Caesar
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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 19, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my kingdom, my kingdom for a SS who can hit!
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caesar sucks again
it was nice while it lasted
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