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with his win last night, cc sabathia is 8-0 since joining the brewers in a midseason trade. he’s shaping up to be the best midseason mound acquisition since rick sutcliffe, who went 16-1 for the 1984 cubs, pitching them into the playoffs for the first time in 39 years and winning the nl cy young award. (coincidentally, sutcliffe --- like cc --- was traded away by the indians.) unless i’m mistaken, that’s the highest wins total, post-trade, for a pitcher who changed teams in midseason. the second-highest that i’m aware of is tom seaver’s 14-3, 2.34 line for the reds after he came over at the trade deadline in 1977. back then, of course, the trade deadline was june 15, so guys had more than half a season to build up their counting stats with their new clubs; sabathia was traded just a few weeks after that date, during the first week of july --- unusually early for this day and age --- so he has a chance to compile numbers rivaling those of yesteryear’s dealt pitchers.

another gaudy post-trade won-loss record belongs to doyle alexander, who twice paid great dividends to the team that acquired him midseason. everyone remembers his tremendous 9-0, 1.53 performance for detroit in 1987, both because it powered the tigers to the nl east title and because john smoltz was the player who went the other way in the trade. but alexander also went 10-5 for the yankees after being acquired in mid-1976, helped them win their first pennant since 1964, and wound up starting Game 1 of the world series vs the reds. david cone was another profitable pickup by the yankees, going 9-2 after joining them in mid-1995 and helping them make the playoffs for the first time in 14 years; it’s now 13 years later, and they haven’t missed the playoffs since. let’s not forget our own woodrow williams, who went 7-1 for the cards in august+september 2001 and powered a late-season rush that put the cards into the postseason.

those are off the top of my head; i’m sure i’m leaving some out. but i did make a thorough survey of the cards’ pages at B-R to see if any in-season acquisition by the cardinals has ever had the kind of impact that sabathia is having for the brewers this year. i went back through 1960; here are the highest win totals since then:

yrpitcherw-lera
1983 neil allen 10-6 3.70
1975 ron reed 9-8 3.23
2001 woody williams 7-1 3.96
2002 chuck finley 7-4 3.80
1960 curt simmons 7-4 2.66
1981 joaquin andujar 6-1 3.74
2007 joel pineiro 6-4 3.96
1977 tom underwood 6-9 4.95
2003 sterling hitchcock 5-1 3.79
2006 jeff weaver 5-4 5.18
1995 mike morgan 5-6 3.88

andujar would probably rank at the top of this list if it hadn’t been for the strike. he was traded on june 7, and the players struck on june 11, before andujar had thrown a pitch for st louis. he wouldn’t make his first start for them until august 14, only started 8 games total. more than half the pitchers on this list were acquired by walt jocketty, which is not an accident; i think he used to construct his teams that way on purpose, living with gaps in his rotation during the early part of the year and filling them at midseason with guys from the scrap-heap. that’s the generous interpretation. another generous one is that he nearly always had his teams in contention, and therefore was usually in "buy" mode at the deadline. the ungenerous spin is that jocketty’s opening day rotation usually fell apart by midseason, requiring him to scramble for reinforcements. . . . . only one of his acquisitions listed here actually cost a worthwhile prospect --- chuck finley, who was acquired for coco crisp after darryl kile’s death in june 2002.

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here’s another little bit related to a midseason pitcher trade. the dodgers added 42-year-old greg maddux yesterday. in the cardinals’ entire history, only 4 pitchers aged 42 or older have ever started a single game for the franchise. how many can you name? (here’s a hint: 3 of the 4 are in the hall of fame.) and while we’re at it:

  • who’s the oldest pitcher ever to start for the cardinals, and how old was he?
  • who’s the last pitcher aged 40 or older to start for the team?
  • only 7 pitchers aged 40 or more have ever made a start for the team. how many can you name?

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as long as we’re doing trivia questions, here’s another one. albert is currently batting .348; if he can lift his average another 2 points by the end of the year, he’ll become only the 5th player ever to post at least two .350 seasons for the cardinals. can you name the other 4?

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yadi molina has maintained his batting average above .300 continuously since july 3. if he finishes at or above .300, he’ll be the first cardinal catcher to do it since ted simmons, and only the 3rd in franchise history to do it an a season of more than 400 at-bats --- the other two being simmons (6 times) and walker cooper (once, in 1943). joe torre also did it in 1970, batting .325 in a full season, but he wasn’t a full-time catcher --- midway through the season he yielded the job to ted simmons and shifted to 3d base. he ended up with 88 starts behind the plate and 72 at the 3-sack. if we count him, then molina has a chance to become the 4th .300-hitting catcher in redbird annals. if we lower the threshold to 300 at-bats, molina would be the 7th catcher in franchise history to hit .300 (or 8th, if you count torre). the full list is here.

one more factoid about yadi: he currently has 47 rbi. if he can muster another 11, he’ll have the best rbi total for any stl catcher since darrell porter, who drove in 68 runs in 1984 and 66 the year before that.

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final item: kevin goldstein had some nice words about david freese in his monday ten pack yesterday:
Acquired from San Diego for what turned out to be a month's worth of Jim Edmonds, Freese was a ninth-round pick in 2006 who was coming off of a solid .302/.400/.489 line at High-A. Scouts had consistently high praise for his bat, but at the same time they wondered what a 24-year-old was doing in the California League, and what that kind of production really proved. The Cardinals moved him all the way up to Triple-A this year, and Freese has kept on slugging, only this time at an age-appropriate level. With four hits and a home run on Saturday, and another long ball on Sunday, Freese now has 23 bombs in 409 at-bats for the Redbirds as part of a .306/.359/.553 line. While Troy Glaus is signed through 2009, Freese provides a solid backup plan.
per BP’s translations, freese has a major-league-equivalent line of .269 / .318 / .479, with 20 homers; his EqA is .269 --- exactly average among big-league 3bmen this year. PECOTA liked him even before this year, deemed him a 2- to 3-win player; after this season, it's bound to like him even better. i haven’t seen him play, but i know azru wasn’t impressed when he watched memphis weekend before last. freese almost certainly is not a future star, and he may not ever be a big-league regular, but at least he’s got a plausible chance to be one --- if not for st louis, then for somebody else. and he’s got a reasonably good chance to stick somewhere as a big-league bench player. just 2 years ago travis hanson was the best 3d-base prospect in the system; today the organization has freese, craig, brett wallace, and jermaine curtis. it’s good to see that kind of progress; it’s good to have options. . . .

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Jeff Fassero

he started a few games in ’03 which is the last one, i believe…

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by nomar34 on Aug 19, 2008 8:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also...

Jim Katt in ‘81 & ’82
Jesse Haines in ’34-’37
Pete Alexander in ‘27-’29

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 19, 2008 8:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

I had Fassero and Kaat, but not the other two…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 19, 2008 9:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More idiocy on Wainwright

Part of me was hoping Monday’s story(exclusively relying on Dave Duncan quotes) was not quite reflective of the Cards real plans (Dunc sometimes predicts things that oddly don’t come through).

But in today’s story Mo puts the writing on the wall:

“If Carp feels good, it allows us to do something different with Wainwright,” Mozeliak said.

“You’ve got to ask yourself, ‘Would it make more sense for Wainwright to get another rehab start?’” Mozeliak said. “If Carp’s progressing to the point where he is going back to the rotation, it might make more sense to just activate Wainwright and let him get stronger (in the bullpen). If not, then it might be best to have him make another start somewhere.”


—"’Dunc’ and I have both spoken with Adam, and I think he understands how we’ve positioned things," Mozeliak said. “I’m sure from a personal level he’d prefer to start. But I believe Adam also understands we may need to go in another direction.”

I just don’t get the sentiment that we don’t want both of our aces in the rotation at once??? Do they know you don’t have to choose? And jerking around Wainwright like this is just not respectful to someone who has done so much for this franchise. Makes me sick.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 8:47 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In order to put Carp and Wainer in the rotation at the same time

They would have to demote One of Pinero, Looper or Lohse. I am getting the feeling that they can’t bring themselves to make the choice so they are avoiding it. Which is aad.

by Harknights on Aug 19, 2008 9:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good grief

they can’t really think Pinata would be a better choice in the rotation than Carp or Wagonmaker, could they?

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Aug 19, 2008 9:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's one way to read it.

That there is only one spot “left” in the rotation. There are only 5 spots and Carp take the last spot so the only other thing to do is move Wainer to the pen. Really have we heard LaDuncan say anything ever about any of the current starters being moved? Sure everyone else has said it but I haven’t heard either Tony or Dave say this player has to pitch better or they would be the one replaced by Capr or Wainer. If anyone can point out where they did that would be great…

…but I haven’t seen that moving Joel to the pen is an option.

by Harknights on Aug 19, 2008 9:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't recall who

but someone suggested here a while back that they put Wagonmaker in the rotation and Carpenter in the pen to let him regain arm strength and control over the rest of the season. Didn’t the team do this with Matty Mo a few years back? I seem to remember that worked out pretty well.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Aug 19, 2008 9:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

silent bob suggests they should

and he’s the resident VEB medical expert….he thinks Carp is (was) prone to injury in the rotation.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps they should

follow that course again, rather than the “let’s start him and see what happens” approach that failed so miserably with Mulder. It’s much more important to have Carp at 100% for 2009.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Aug 19, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like most things

we have to read into the situation – I don’t see why they’d make any proclamations about Pineiro when he still has to go out there and pitch a couple more times. Might deflate his already fragile confidence

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pineiro

Easy call. No one should be fooled by his “good” starts recently.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 9:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is stupid

I thought Mo was smart and shrewd, but this is mind-bogglingly idiotic. Look at how McClellan and Perez have done at the back end. Look at how many more innings Wainwright gives us as a starter. Why on God’s green earth would you even consider bringing him back to the bullpen. If it’s TLR, he needs to figure out that starting pitchers aren’t poor hitting second basemen to be swapped in and out at a whim. This is stupid.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The story today suggests he might start in LONG RELIEF
“Different” doesn’t necessarily mean Wainwright would return immediately as the Cardinals’ closer. Rookie Chris Perez’s positive showing since inheriting the closer’s role from Jason Isringhausen means Wainwright could be activated to work in long relief.

Why would you want an ace pitcher in the rotation, when he can be your puppy kicker long man???

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 10:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now if what Mo means is

that they would rather have Wainer pitch his 4+ innings of rehab in the Cardinal pen rather than in AAA and when he is ready he can take his place in the rotation. Then I am ok with that. If the ultimate goal is to get Wainer in the rotation and they want to get some extra inning when they can. That’s ok.

Bottom line is that at some time we need to see Carp and Wainer in the rotation at the same time.

by Harknights on Aug 19, 2008 11:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

I didn’t even think of that option before now.

by saladdays on Aug 19, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that

is exactly the impression I got from the quote

and let him get stronger (in the bullpen).

and I do hope that is the case. I can’t imagine that the front office and field managers really beleive that he is more valuable in the bullpen than as a starter. they are not idiots, contrary to popular beleif.

by cdb on Aug 19, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's how I was reading it

well, that’s how I was wanting to read it. Not sure if my interpretation was correct, but that’s how I’m choosing to read it right now.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe...channelling wcbw...

they passed Pinata (or Looper) through waivers and are trying to trade one of them. If they did that, however, they would have to wait on Carpenter before being able to do it. It’s crazy, but no more crazy than the statements they’re making right now.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But that clearly is NOT what Mo Meant

If Mo only was discussing different ways to rehab Wainwright, he would not need to

sp[ea]k[] with Adam, [so] he understands how we’ve positioned things," Mozeliak said. "I’m sure from a personal level he’d prefer to start. But I believe Adam also understands we may need to go in another direction."

I doubt Adam strongly prefers “on a personal level” merely to “rehab” as a starter. Rather, Adam prefers to start for the remainder of the season. Mo, though, is clearly referring to putting Adam on a direction different from starting for the rest of the season, and that is what contradicts Wainwright’s personal preferences.

We shouldn’t blind ourselves with optimism. Management really seems intent on blowing this decision.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Aug 19, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don't think that's clear

Otherwise, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

by saladdays on Aug 19, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, one more idea...

Maybe they’re thinking two innings from Wainwright every other day or something like that. Given that the average starter’s contribution is about six innings right now. Kind of an old-style fireman role—bridge the starter to the closer with one guy instead of three? Grasping here…

by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

while that would be a nice thing to have

wouldn’t that be harder for him to come back into than a starter role?

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But there's so little season left....

…all he needs is one more rehab start to be strong enough to start. He won’t get stronger in the bullpen, b/c he won’t be upping his pitch count.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you know he'll be strong enough after 1 more rehab start?

Is his health meter almost full?

And I think since there’s so little season left is reason to put him into the pen. If you don’t have the time to properly stretch him out in a rehab assignment or extended spring training, yet he’s good enough to help the big club in some way, might as well bring him up to provide any help he can.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He threw almost 5 solid innings last time out...

Goold reports all his pitches were working and his location was good. He could up that to 6 in the next one….Hell some people thought he’d be ready now to pitch Friday (but Dunc shot that down)

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a key question....

He can dominate AA hitters with low velocity, but not major leaguers. I just don’t see how the finger would hurt his velocity. That’s usually something that comes along with shoulder and elbow issues.

If it’s just an arm strength issue, his velocity will be back up in a couple outings.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unless he doesn't trust his hand

and isn’t throwing with max effort, or is compensating for the finger injury in some other way, in which case he should be shut down completely before he suffers a cascade injury.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

64 pitches last time too

up that to 75-80 next time out, he’d be ready to go, imo

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 11:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about a piggyback start?

What if we involved Carp and Wainer in a piggyback start?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2008 12:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking more along the lines of

WW and Thompson, but it could work with those two as well.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's probably more the coaches decisions

I may be off on this, but I think Mo’s main responsibility is to comprise the makeup of the roster and then he kinda turns them over to LaRussa/Duncan. Not to say they don’t collaborate on everything….

I recall when Mo put Reyes on the 25 man, LaRussa said something to the effect of once he’s here we decide how he’s going to be used.

They all share in the decision though, and I don’t like it either. I just think this was engineered by the LaRussa and Duncan mostly.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.350 hitters

musial 43,46,48,51 hornsby, 20-25, bottomly 23 & 25, Medwick 35 & 36

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by elirock83 on Aug 19, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn...1 min before me...... :-D

I really thought McGee would be on the list too, but he only had the one season above .350 and only one other season that was close…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 19, 2008 9:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah i really thought

big johnny mize would have been on this list

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by elirock83 on Aug 19, 2008 9:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beat me to it

My retired number post research proved useful…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mize hit .349 one year

and over .350 only once

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Aug 19, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.350+ hitters

1. Stan the Man
2. Rogers Hornsby
3. Joe Medwick
4. Jim Bottomley

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 19, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ranks should be:

1. Hornsby (6 seasons consecutively with STL, 9 overall)
2. Musial (5 seasons spaced over 17 years, 6 if you count his 20-47[.426] rookie season)
3. Medwick (3 consecutive seasons)
4. Bottomley (2 seasons)

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Aug 19, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope... everyone forgets Jesse Burkett

1. Rogers Hornsby (7) ‘20-’25
2. Stan Musial (5) ‘43, ’46, ’48, ’51 & ’57
3. Joe Medwick (3) ’35 – ’37,
4. Jesse Burkett (2) ’00-’01 (also 1899)
5. Jim Bottomley (2) ’23, ’25

Johnny Mize, Joe Torre, Albert Pujols, Willie McGee, each have 1
Tip O’Neill, Dave Foutz and Tommy McCarthy all did it before the turn of the century

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by Zubin on Aug 19, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tip O’Neill, Dave Foutz and Tommy McCarthy

That is to say they all batted .350+ ONCE before 1900 for the Browns, as the Cardinals were known then

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Aug 19, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does Jesse Burkett count?

Or was that pre-1900?

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Aug 19, 2008 12:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big winners for new teams

Sutcliffe is the knee-jerk gold standard for pitchers paying huge dividends for their new teams (probably rightly so,) with Alexander right there, but how about Randy Johnson in 1998 for the Astros? All he did was go 10-1 with 4 shoutouts, a 1.28 ERA, and 116 Ks (and only 26 walks) in 84.3 innings pitched for division winning Houston. Amazingly, Sabathia is on a similar pace , with less Ks, for Milwaukee.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 19, 2008 10:02 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are 2007-2008 CHC&MIL the 2004-2005 STL&HOU?

It makes you wonder, the Cubs of 07 and 08 are playing like the Cards of 04 and 05 while Mil is playing a bit like the Stros. The big thing missing is the NLCS games.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or '07 Milwaukee making the playoffs

I don’t think they compare very well. Chicago is nowhere near the juggernaut that those ‘04 and ’05 Cardinals squads were, and Milwaukee hasn’t (yet) made a late season surge to come from behind and win the wild card.

Oh, and the cubbies looked pathetic in the playoffs last year.

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by BigMOman on Aug 19, 2008 10:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

I know the comparison is weak, but it is quite interesting to see the NLCentral on the top again in 08, its been awhile.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 10:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right, the NL Central is on top

And I do love how people keep saying that the Central is always the weakest division. welll… Except for 2004, 2005, World Series champ 2006, and 2008. Yeah, other than that it’s a weak division.

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by BigMOman on Aug 19, 2008 10:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weak divisions create the wildcard pretty regularly

if there are six teams, and four of them are awful, the unbalanced schedule will have those two teams piling up a TON of wins against their weak division rivals. It’s also why BOS and NYY were the playoff teams in the AL, over and over—they got to kill the Orioles and Devil Rays, over and over.

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by Valatan on Aug 19, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

interesting point

the difference between a division that is best top to bottom and a division that has the “best teams” in it. or have i misunderstood your point?

by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

basically a division where you get to play the most bad teams is going to produce the wild card theoretically. but in the case of the NL Central, I’m thinking it will be more like it just happens to contain the 3 best teams in the league this year.

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's my argument

I would say, this year, the NL central is probably the best top to bottom.

But in 2004 and 2005, it just had two of the top three teams in the NL in it.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

just looking at the standings. Lets move around some teams and see where they line up.

Chicago would be first in all divisions

Milwaukee would be first in East and West

St. Louis would be first in East and West

Houston would be 4th of 6 teams in East and 3rd of 6 teams in West

Pittsburgh would be tied for 4th of 6 in East and 4th of 6 teams in West

Cincinnati would be 5th of 6 teams in East and 4th of 6 teams in West

Very unscientific, but I think it proves some sort of point.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

The main problem is that this methodology probably actually underestimates the performance of the Pirates, Astros and Reds, since they are forced to face the Cardinals, Brewers and Cubs more often than other teams. This is why I really, really hate the unbalanced schedule, it creates severe differences in strength of schedule that then trickle down and make the Wild Card really unfair.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even though I like the wild card

it is the wild card that makes the unbalanced schedule unfair. I do like the unbalanced schedule though, but I understand the problem.

But, one problem that could be eliminated to help this out (at least a little) would be to get rid of interleague.

But that’s a big ol’ bee’s nest………….

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ted Simmons was so awesome...

I think he remains my all time favorite Cardinal…I met him one time when I was a kid…he was so gracious…I think it was the year he finished a distant second to Bill Madlock for the batting crown…six times over .300 seems so incredible, and several more years over .280…hopefully he will find some way to make it into the HALL, though I know he is considered marginal

by tbell61 on Aug 19, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cards Pitchers 42 or older...
  • Jim Kaat, two starts in 1982 at the age of 43 (he turned 44 that November)
  • “Dazzy” Vance, 4 starts for the 1934 Cards at age 43
  • Grover Cleveland “Ol’ Pete” Alexander, 19 starts for the 1929 Cards at age 42
  • And Jesse “Pop” Haines, with six starts for the 1937 Cards … he turned 44 that July.

To the best of my knowledge, “Pop” Haines is the oldest pitcher ever to toe the rubber for the “Birds On The Bat”.

The other three 40 or older? Well, Nomar34 pegged Fassero; otherwise, I got nuthin’!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 19, 2008 10:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Talking about Potential Third Baggers

Than you guys might want to check out FutureRebirds.net . Erik put up an interview with Allen Craig of Springfield

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Back to the Future

This year’s results from the ’pen seem to suggest that looking to the future rather than the past produces the best results.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does that mean

that all of the pitchers in the bullpen should pitch at 88 MPH?

by saladdays on Aug 19, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?

I’m confused. Both Perez and McClellan throw harder than Franklin, Izzy, and Reyes.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're not thinking fourth dimensionally, marty!

(It was a Back to the Future reference.)

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 12:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's just say

that’s not a cup he’s’ wearing….

by saladdays on Aug 19, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is heavy, doc!

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Aug 19, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was in the completely wrong mindset to respond to that comment

My bad

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what the hell is a gigawatt?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought you meant ironbill at first

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think VEB

would explode.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why?

who is this A. Reyes you speak of?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Argenis?

Though he was never a Cardinal he did have a few ABs at Busch. http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reyesar01.shtml

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Argenis???

Sounds like a good reason to see a judge about a name change.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i can't believe

we have three more off days in the next nine days. this is torture.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the fans

A relief for the team

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Especially the 'pen

I bet they’re thankful for a break from TLR’s mix-and-matching.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they are they’d better find a different team because he isn’t going to change.

by birdo rojo on Aug 19, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interestingly

The Brewers also have the same 3 days off over the next week and a half…but then they play 17 straight without a break beginning Aug 29th.

Meanwhile, the Small Bears don’t have any days off between now and Sep 3rd, playing 16 straight beginning tonight.

The Cards, however, have another day off this week, two days off next week, and then 1 day off each week until the week of Sep 21st. The team must be lovin’ that.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 19, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Braun not yet healthy

Braun’s injury still lingers:

Milwaukee left fielder Ryan Braun left Monday’s game against the Astros after experiencing a relapse in the rib-cage injury that recently caused him to miss a week’s worth of games.

Braun struck out swinging against Doug Brocail in the sixth, and Gabe Kapler took Braun’s place defensively in the seventh. The 2007 Rookie of the Year left Milwaukee’s game on Aug. 9 with tightness of the muscles around the back of his rib cage, and sat out before pinch-hitting on Saturday and starting the next two contests.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tough call on whether to play him

You know the Brewers management is really wrestling with how to play this, since Braun is having a monster year for them.

Do you rest him now for a week or more to make sure it heals, or do you have him play through it hoping it won’t significantly hamper his play and/or get worse? Tough call.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 19, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just my medical opinion

But they should rest him next week.

by toris34 on Aug 19, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Sabathia too

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had a muscle in my ribs strained from my unorthodox bowling style

and I kept playing through it, but it took like a month to heal when it should have taken like a week. fwiw.

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Solution:

Set the beer down first.

by sdrone on Aug 19, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no- finish the beer first

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Aug 19, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's what got me through it

the next day it felt like someone stuck a knife in my side

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we have our awards presentation tonight

I get to see how high we place, and we get like 2 hours of free drinking and free pizza! I should be feeling really good tomorrow.

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Per Derrick Goold

The Walrus has had enough of this single a, thank you very much, and will bypass high-a ball effective immediatly.

Enjoy Springfield, Brett.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just about to post that

I hit up FR first but you beat me here.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha

You’re like the reverse me. I went to fr second and you had already posted it.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prospect news

I usually take prospect news to FR first since that is their thing. Awesome news regardless, hopefully Springfield makes the playoffs and he gets to show off.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool

the guy is a big time bat I think

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

QC's Line

.327/.418/.490 .908OPS

He was mashing Low A pitching, I like the challenge.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

why not put him on the fast track? we have plenty of options at 3rd too. think freese will be traded in the offseason? or craig?

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure

What I want to know now is what is happening with Craig at Springfield? I assume Wallace and Craig will play some OF since they have only 3 OFs on the roster.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh yeah, that's right

now we’ll start to see if Wallace can play the outfield a little bit I guess. How does Craig look for the OF?

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When you look at League Leaders in Low A

The highest OPS in the whole league is .930 and just another person with .900 ops makes it look even better. Less than 10 people are even posting a ops in the .800 range

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow, that's good info

I looked at his .900ish OPS and said “meh”. I didn’t realize that a 900ish OPS is that awesome at that level.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 19, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OPSing .900

I would love a third baseman with a .900 OPS at any level, especially the big league level. Only four third basemen in MLB have an OPS of .900 or higher right now. One of those, Aramis Ramirez, is right at .900. So, being .900-ish would place you in the top 5 for the whole sport. (Troy Glaus is top 6 OPSing .856.) To have a kid OPSing .900 right out of the gates, to me, is very exciting. Hopefully the Walrus’s success continues in AA.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very Exciting indeed

I don’t ever remember a Cardinal Draftee make such a quick jump on the ladder. I still think it was huge they got him signed fast for this all to be possible.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soooooooooo Happy

The Cardinal got him signed ASAP from the get go. So happy we didn’t get dragged out till the signing day

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s really moving on the fast track! I think it’s good to challenge them aggressively. Sometimes guys will struggle with it a little bit, but I like finding out how they work through slumps/struggles in the minors vs. with the big club.

There’s officially a logjam at the hot corner now, I guess.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is also kind of funny considering the conversation in yesterday's main post

where someone was wondering why some of us felt he would be in St. Louis by 2010 when it was obvious he wasn’t ready for High A ball yet.

I guess, as it turns out, he’s not ready for High A ball………

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is interesting that some guys are getting quickly promoted

but a guy like Nico Vasquez has yet to make a move, even though he is hitting .314 with an .873 OPS as a SS. Last year, Kozma hit .264 with a .746 OPS at Johnson City as a 19 year old…something Vasquez is drastically outperforming.

I guess Vasquez is blocked at Memphis (no duh), Springfield (Solano) and Palm Beach (Kozma) but they are going to have to find him a place to play next season. Either they’ll have to give up on Greene or waste Vasquez at Quad Cities.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Off Topic Question

I know you record all the Cardinal games. I was just curious what format do you keep them all in? Do you burn them to DVD’s or just keep a media library on your computer? I was just curious cause I have extensive digital media library setup on computer that is well organized.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have another question

Why?

And I’m honestly just curious if there’s something you do that requires it or if it’s just a quirky hobby?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hobby

I have an insane movie collection of over 500+ movies that are perfectly organized on my computer. It is all ran through XBMC (XboxMediaCenter) on my HomeTheaterPersonalComputer HTPC. I am very much into video/audio tinkering. I deal with a lot of video compression, editing, splicing and enjoy talking about it

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool

I really want to get into doing this type of stuff. do you use final cut pro? is there anything cheap and good for pc that does video editing??

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

You can only watch so many Hardee’s Thickburger commercials before you go insane.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but at least you get the Sonic commercials

those never get old.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"How many sandwhiches do you have in your hand

right now?"
-“I dunno, fifty?”
-“FIFTY!?!?!”

Also, on the Reds Broadcasts, those JTM commercials with Arroyo are a riot.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have an invetion idea

that if you’ve got $2 M, I’d love to run by you. :D

It basically uses the same premise you are running but is a standalone device.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah its called a Xbox

The old basic Xbox can be turned the most bad ass media center for less than $150 and no I don’t have $2 Mil. :(

xbmc.org

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I know about the XBOX

my invention was to have a stand alone DVR device that has 2 HDD, one for recording and one for storing. The storing one can be removed and replaced, allowing you to warehouse your recordings. The HDD for recording would allow you to record, edit and then export the game/recording to the secondary drive for storage.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have something like that

I have Two TV Tuners in my computer to record two things at once. They Record on different hard drives. I have my 250 Gig main C work drive and another 1 TB internal storage for media (full). Than I have another 200 gig external for what ever.

If you had a lot of stuff to back up than I would just set up a media server with a Raid hard drive set up than just stream everything over the network.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I record them to Dual Layer DVDs

I also keep the masters of the original video files on dvd+r.

Why do I do it? Because I collect sports broadcasts. Last night, on the off night, when we came back in from a night out I watched a Phillies/Cardinals game from ’85 before bed.

I miss Andy Van Slyke.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you consindered

Compressing them to a smaller format such as Divx, Xvid or if it is Hi-Def content x.264?

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 4:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have

but by keeping them in MPEG form, they remain as close to lossless as possible. And after years of watching grainy copies of copies of copies of VHS games, I want to keep these as close to lossless as possible.

I’ve been doing this since the 2nd game of 2006. I had about 15 games from 2005 until my PC crashed. I’ve recorded every game from 2006 to date. I’ll probably stop at some point (either when I get bored or life interferes) but for not it isn’t too much of a hassle.

One project I’d like to complete (other than getting more 1985 Games) is collecting every game Albert hits a HR in. I’ve got HRs 195, 204-308. So, there is a lot missing. HA!

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what do you do in the case of a long game

or rain delay? that’s got to cause a headache.

I know if I’m not going to be home and want to watch a particular game (maybe its Carps first start or Rasmus gets called up or something) I’ll set the old DVR, but have to set it to record over by like and hour or so just to be safe.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I use the DVR

I set it to record, most games only go over by about 20-30 minutes. As long as I’m home within an hour of the end of the game, I can roll it back to the end of the game and quickly record it.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just wish our available technology

(meaning dvr’s) would catch up to this issue. Doesn’t seem like it’d take too much to fix since the recording time is based on the box on the tv guide menu. Just update it real time, right?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All it would take would be for the TV's digitial signal

to send out a ‘program start’ and ‘program end’ signature at the beginning and end of every show, rather than having it ust based around a timer hooked up to the program guide.

It’s something that I"m amazed they didn’t do anyway.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you imagine FSN Midwest having to deal with that?

In this season alone we’ve had to go innings with only 1 camera, a week ago they rolled out the overlays from 2003 and apparently whenever they do a ‘This Date in Cardinals History’ the can’t ever figure out how to do PIP so that they can actually show us the whole clip from the historical moment.

It’s usual “On this date in Cardinals History, Lou Brock stole…” and then the regular game footage starts back up.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MPEG isn't as good as x.264

If your pulling the MPEG source off a standard connection such as basic cable it will still be a lesser quality than x.264 compressed from a Hi-Def source such as Over the Air (OTA) source.

Now x.264 compression requires some serious CPU power. It makes out my computer and I have a Intel Quad Core 3.0 Ghz. I can take use of all the cores at once with compressing so my computer is essentially at 12.0 Ghz computer. It still gets maxed out takes a couple hours. The only HiDef source I ever pull is from OTA. So like Sunday games on Channel 5.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I do hi-def sources

I keep it in .ts form (Transport Stream) and then use VideoRedo to convert to MPEG2, followed by a program that will shrink it to fit on a DVD-DL.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I used to backup everything on DVD's

But eventually I said F it. It was just so much easier to keep everything stored on a hard drive but I know I am just asking for trouble with a hard drive crash. Your probably smart keeping it backed up on dvd’s though for long term but having than stored local on a hard drive is so much more enjoyable.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, like I said, I had the entire 2004 playoffs and

15 nationally broadcast games from 2005 on my HDD before it crashed. Moveable parts inside most HDD is what makes me afraid of leaving it to chance.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be too concerned about it

He’s obviously not going to pass Kozma and being that they were both drafted as high schoolers, I don’t have much of a beef with either. Plus, Kozma (if my memory serves me correctly) struggled for at times in QC.

But, yeah, I’d definately like to see Nico find his way to the QC, but I’d settle for Batavia. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see him start next year at the QC (no matter where he finishes) just like Kozma.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just hope

they dont send him off to VSL or Mexico for the summer next year. I want to keep him in the normal system since that seems to get better coverage.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd doubt they'd send a 19 year old to Mexico or Venezuela

I think that’s usually reserved for guys they want to pile up at bats whether due to age or injuries. But, whatever the case, I think the last place they’d want to send Nico is to the VSL or Mexico.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

that would be dumb

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that would be on Lunhow

and I think he’s pretty proud of being able to get Vasquez where he did so hopefully there’s not too much to worry about. Then again, there are many that think Nico will end up being a 2nd baseman, so maybe it’s not too big of a deal?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stick with kozma

his first year out of high school and we are hinting at dumping him? a little patience please…..

by cdb on Aug 19, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think I was claiming to dump him

but rather not stick with him as the top SS prospect in the organization (thus being promoted before Vasquez, jumping Solano, etc).

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or

at the very least “sticking” with Kozma to the detriment of Nico (i.e., keeping him behind Kozma even if he’s out-performing him)

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What if they just move some of these guys to 2B or 3B?

it won’t hurt a MI to learn more than one position. And that way, they aren’t blocking anyone in the system

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sounds like a great idea

the only reason I brought this up was because Nico hasn’t been promoted while clearly being the MVP of the Johnson City team.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there have been concerns with both

that they wouldn’t be able to stick at ss, but that’s something that can be addressed down the road. Why move a guy (any guy really) from a premium position this early? Wouldn’t make sense.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

but I think the hype over vazquez is a little premature – we are talking about 200 AB in rookie league ball.

by cdb on Aug 19, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he's proven he needs to be promoted

besides, just glancing at Batavia’s roster, they don’t even have anyone listed as a shortstop. I think at the very least he should be there.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, that's true

but other than being overdrafted…what had Kozma really shown? He struggled at Batavia, struggled at Johnson City, struggled with the Gulf Coast League. These are really small sample sizes, grant you, but other than being told ‘he knows the game’ Kozma has been a little rough. He had a good season in A ball this year in a league that is somewhat tough to hit in but again is struggling at Palm Beach in 50 ABs.

All I am saying is that I hope he earns the promotions and playing time he gets, especially since the organization now has some make-or-break MIF prospects that we will have to see what they can do. We can’t keep all these guys at the lower levels for ever, unless we never plan on drafting MIF’ers.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kozma's promotions

I don’t really have any problems with his promotions so far. He didn’t really hit last year, but as you acknowledge that’s only about 150 AB’s we are looking at. QC was the logical starting point for this season to me, and he did pretty well there. Not eyecatchingly great, but I’d say he had passed that test. Seeing how he handles a cup of coffee at the next level doesn’t seem out of line to me.

Now, of course, he’s really struggling in Palm Beach. That’s allright. I would assume that’s going to be his starting point next season no matter what, and he probably will be better for having gone through this. If it takes him all year to perform there next year then that’s ok – he’ll still be a 21 year old that is figuring out high A.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2008 5:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he shouldn't have been promoted

I’m not disagreeing with promoting him. We don’t have a clear GRADE A prospect at SS in the system.

My point was that I hope he doesn’t get first crack over guys like Solano and Vasquez because he was picked in the 1st round of the draft. That’s all.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I think Kozma’s a pretty good prospect, though not sure I’d label him grade A. What Vasquez is doing is impressive too. I think we can make it work for both of them for quite a while, just because I don’t think anything that is in front of those 2 is going to bottleneck either.

Though the OPS in QC wasn’t all that impressive, it was good enough for 21st in the league. And I think only 3 people ahead of him on that list were younger than him. Throw in that he plays a premium defensive position, and reportedly quite well, and I can see why he makes the short list of our top prospects.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure his defense is "quite well"

I know a lot of people don’t like to look at errors in the minors but he kicks an awful lot of balls. He’s committed 41 errors in 143 minor league games. Recognize minor league errors or don’t, that’s still a LOT of errors.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe I overstated

What you say is correct. My point is that from what I read, he’s going to be able to stick at shortstop and has the ability to possibly shine there. Clearly he isn’t there yet, but you value a shortstop that projects to OPS around maybe 750-800 a lot differently than you would other positions.

I just think Kozma is right around where he should be at this point.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually

I do agree with you – that promotions should be based on performance and not draft position. I just think that many people are down on Kozma in large part becuase of his draft position. I think he is holding his own, and has time to improve his bat. That being said – Nico looks great so far and I really do hope he has every opportunity to prove himself at the next level, ideally sometime in the near future…

by cdb on Aug 19, 2008 5:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While i agree that promotions should be based on

performance over draft position, I think age comes into play as well. Guys that come out of college need to be promoted more quickly (i.e., Brett Wallace) while it’s perfectly okay to take more time with high schoolers. Problem is, Kozma (20), Vasquez (19) and Solano (21) are all bunched together and their standing in the organization reflects that.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's clearly ahead of Kozma offensively

But I don’t think that is the case defensively. This is all based off other peoples reports, mind you, but what I gather is that Kozma is likely our best defensive prospect. Nobody anticipates having to move him from SS.

It may eventually work out that they can advance through the system together, so it is nothing I am worried about yet. You don’t want to do that until you are sure you have to, however, and Nico may be fine at SS too. For now, I’d just like to see Vasquez get some time in Batavia.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2008 5:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can someone post a link

Cause I can’t find anything to confirm this

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

over-achiever

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know I'm not trustworthy

but you don’t have to come right out and say it.

Also, Bonds just signed with the Rays.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry didn't mean to call you out

But I was just trying to show my buddy a link

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 19, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just messing with ya

no worries.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you make this up?

I still can’t find anything.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wallace to AA = real

Bonds to tampa = fake.

Gotta keep people on their toes.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's just wishful thinking (Bonds to Tampa)

by Gregg Doyle at CBS Sportsline
http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10936560

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by gocards62 on Aug 19, 2008 5:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Craig injured?

Someone at Stltoday pointed out that Craig has been sitting the last few nights with a sore back and that Springfield has 4 games against NW Arkansas (who they are tied with for first) they needed a good 3B for this series.

by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

daryl jones 1st

and now B-dub® I am so happy I may go to every game the rest of the season!!!

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 19, 2008 6:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PD update on Carp

Not a lot of news. At least Carp didn’t fall down grimacing in pain

By Joe Strauss
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
08/19/2008

3:10 p.m. Tuesday update:

Chris Carpenter tested his right shoulder with a 10-minute throwing session this afternoon in the Busch Stadium outfield.

With pitching coach Dave Duncan and head athletic trainer Barry Weinberg looking on, Carpenter gradually lengthened his tosses until he stood about 150 feet from bullpen catcher Jeff Murphy.

After making several light tosses to ensure the mildly strained muscle at the posterior of his shoulder would cooperate, Carpenter increased his intensity.

After 45-50 throws, he disappeared with Weinberg through the wagon gate in right field, saving any comment for later.

Tuesday’s apparently successful test marked the first time Carpenter had thrown a ball since leaving his Aug. 10 start against the Chicago Cubs with discomfort behind and below the shoulder.

Duncan, general manager John Mozeliak and manager Tony La Russa will confer about what’s next.

The Cardinals previously stated they are prepared to activate Adam Wainwright for bullpen duty if the disabled Carpenter is projected to return when eligible next Tuesday.

by ubeddie on Aug 19, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the plot moistens...

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the plot shits the bed

…I hope all this Waino to the bullpen crap is a smokescreen. What the hell are they thinking??!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 5:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Activating Wainwright - Odd man out

If Carpenter is healthy enough to target a Sept 2 start, the plan sounds like activating Wainwright now and giving him long relief to stretch out. If AW is activated tomorrow, then it looks like either Garcia or Thompson would be sent down to Memphis for 13 days to stay sharp. Probably PK taking another one for the team.

The scenario could be (but this would be logical) that AW is aiming to take Pineiro’s spot on Aug 29th and Carp gets activated after the rosters are expanded. Activating both prior to Sept 1 would mean Garcia and Thompson to Memphis.

by ubeddie on Aug 19, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carp theoretically could start as early as 8/26

we are in a god damn pennant race…we shouldn’t be holding back one of our aces to wait until rosters to expand

And – you don’t put a starter in the bullpen to stretch out, YOU START HIM. If not here in the bigs, then down in the minors. I really think you all are reading way to much into Mo’s comment about getting ‘stronger’ in the bullpen. That’s not the way a starter gets stronger.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes but he needs a start thursday in between

I think he could do that in the minors…or start friday for us and then face the brewers in the second game

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope you're right

but I haven’t heard the term “stretch out” used in relation to Wainwright at all. I have only heard “bullpen” and “closer” and one (cough, spit) “long relief.”

Using a multi-innings, old-style fireman role for Wainwright to ease back into the majors and the rotation is a swell idea. Converting him into a gold-plated version of Brad Thompson is insanity.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 19, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

touche

Kippy can have a place in this world after all!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Snell v Cards

Nice info in today’s preview on mlb.com

Snell is winless in four starts against St. Louis this year. He’s allowed 19 runs in 19 total innings.

by ubeddie on Aug 19, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe Odalis Perez would disagree with you.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 19, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool

a run an inning is good times!

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where do you think is the ideal spot for the guy?

maybe like 6 or even 7?

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either #2 or #6

Ludwick should bat cleanup. If he doesn’t, then it should be Glaus (as odd as that sounds).

Until Ankiel shows that he is healthy, he provides no real protection for Albert.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very true

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fun with B-REF

in searching for today’s trivia came across Cards’ career leaders by position. The pitchers weren’t listed as easily and had to look down the complete list of former (and current) Cards so I may have overlooked somebody (apologies in advance if I did)

127 years most games by postion

C Ted Simmons 1439g
1B Jim Bottomly 1340g
2B Julian Javier 1547g
SS Ozzie Smith 1929g
3B Ken Boyer 1539g
LF Lou Brock 2163g
CF Curt Flood 1682g
RF Enos Slaughter 1347g

Hornsby was 4th at 2b behind Javier, Schoendist, and Frisch, but edged out Tom Herr by 10 games
Musial was second in RF, 3rd at 1B, and 3rd in LF

rotation most starts as a Cardinal
Gibson 482
Forsch 401
Jesse Haines 388
Bill Doak 319
Bill Sherdel 242
Harry Brecheen 224
Ted Breitenstein 221
Slim Sallee 215
Larry Jackson 209
Matt Morris 206

Dizzy Dean checked in at with 141 CG in 196 starts. He also racked up 30 saves, posthumously.

most appearances by a pitcher
Haines 554
Gibson 528
Sherdel 465
Forsch 455
Al Brazle 441
Izzy 401
Doak 376
Todd Worrell 348
Lindy McDaniel 336
Larry Jackson 330
Hrabosky 329
Ken Dayley 327
Slim Sallee 317
Jerry Staley 301
Steve Kline 300

be honest who had Steve Kline among the top 15 in Cardinal history?

by vances law on Aug 19, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have guessed it but it sense

He played for the Cards when TLR was manager and was a LOOGY+ option. Look at the number of appearances relivers have when playing under TLR nad Kline achieving 300 seems fitting.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 19, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

it doesn’t surprise me too much. the guy was used a lot, and was durable. on of my faves of that time period. just for the dirty hat if nothing else.

it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

was impressed by these numbers

but wondered if I should be:

Batting Wins Rank Player BtWins PA
1. Stan Musial 93.8 12712
2. Rogers Hornsby 61.6 6714
3. Albert Pujols 44.3 5236
4. Johnny Mize 30.6 3582
5. Jim Bottomley 26.4 6008
6. Joe Medwick 25.9 5056
  Enos Slaughter 25.9 7710
8. Tip O’Neill 24.8 3519
9. Jim Edmonds 23.3 4356
10. Ted Simmons 22.5 6450

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineup

Schumaker 8
Ankiel 7
Pujols 3
Glaus 5
Ludwick 9
Lopez 4
Molina 2
Looper 1
Izturis 6

Glaus is 7 for 10 vs. Snell.

Ludwick is 0-6 with 4 Ks.

-B

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 19, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prediction

Glaus 1-4
Ludwick 2-3 w/ 1 BB

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 19, 2008 6:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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