Game 127 Open Thread -- August 17, 2008
by chuckb on Aug 17, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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When last I did one of these, a Sunday night game thread, it became a prelude to an injury to Chris Carpenter and a Cubs' series win. Hopefully, we can at least keep our starting pitcher healthy tonight.
Volquez has to be the favorite for the Rookie of the Year. He's been positively outstanding this year -- Wayne Krivsky's last hurrah before being replaced by Walt. He's struck out 146 in 144.2 IP and, amazingly, has only given up 10 homers while pitching 12 times at Great America Ballpark.
He has struggled a bit of late, however, w/ a 5.33 ERA in his 27 innings since the All-Star break. It's a terribly small sample size but may be an indicator that he's starting to tire, that major league hitters are beginning to adjust to him, or both. He has tied his season-high in innings w/ the 144.2 he's thrown this year so the Reds are now entering uncharted waters. Hopefully, the Cards can take advantage.
Lohse, too, has struggled of late. He has a 5.65 ERA in the 36.2 innings he's thrown since the All-Star break and, for the season, has a 5.40 ERA in 11 road starts. The pens could see a lot of action today.
The Cards begin a big homestand following this game and have just 1 more road trip as long as the one they're finishing today. Overflow will go up around 1:45.
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speaking of tiring
isn’t volquez on the small side, kind of like todd (<6’ and 180)?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Except he throws about 7 mph harder and has a devastating changeup...
Kosuke Fukudome: $55 million .270 .370 .395
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .362 .417
seeing a few pitches
doesn’t seem to be part of skippy’s approach to leading off
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
wow, only 8 pitches
We need to make Volquez work more than what he had to serve up in the first inning…
Skip
in August he’s swinging at 53.99% of the pitches he sees. The first 4 months of the season were all below 50% — mostly around 46 – 47%. It’s one reason he’s not the hitter he was at the beginning of the season.
You mean
middle part of the season. He was pretty rough the first month of the season.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I prayed they would trade him.
All signs pointed to an aberration not a trend.
But it didn’t happen.
Awful? Terrible?
Really? I don’t want him re-signed either but he’s hardly a terrible pitcher. (Where have I heard this before? Al?)
+1
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do you want to start in his spot?
If Carp and WW come back, are happy with Blooper, Pineiro and Welly as your other pitchers? Or do you want McClellan, Garcia or someone else to start?
this year or next?
This year, you might as well keep him out there. Next year, I’d take Garcia or any number of free agents
boo cubs, hooray beer
lol
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
they almost turned it
very close
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Aug 17, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Kennedy tried for the interference
nice play
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
camera angle was so bad i couldn't tell
though the CIN announcers said he was safe, so that tells me he was likely out.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
Come about 3:30 pm Central time
I’m not going to miss the Cincinnati Reds announcing crew.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
+1
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he was saying a silent prayer
that he didnt give up more
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Aug 17, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hot dogging it?
He was setting himself and taking his time so he didn’t airmail it or make a mistake
boo cubs, hooray beer
"edinson volquez and cueto both...
…pitch better when they pitch a lot".
Dusty’s second and third contributions to the reds pitching staff. If I was a Reds fan I’d be clawing my eyes out right now.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
I honestly can't see why Walt lets him overwork
those young pitchers. Mind botteling
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I am impressed with the Reds' young players.
Even though we have handled them pretty well this season and in this series, it really does seem like Walt has them finally pointed in the right direction. Dickerson looks like a good player. Bruce could be a decent slugger with some patience. They still have good power with Phillips and Encarnacion (although they are lazy). Votto seems like a solid player. They are still some pieces away. They need a catcher and a SS in terms of position players.
With the right manager this could be a good team next year and for several years following. Luckily, they don’t have the right manager. Dusty Baker is the exact WRONG type of manager for a group of young guys.
Lazy?
Phillips never looks lazy to me
why does lazy get thrown around so much?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
because it’s an ironic twist to “arm chair coaching”
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lazy in terms of not playing for the team.
He seems to be lazy in his commitment to the organization winning and not just simply winning with his own numbers. I also thinks he does not do the fundamentals that well and gets a little lazy in the field.
Maybe I am wrong, but that is what I have seen from Phillips the last couple years. Dusty is the kind of manager that will put up with that, and my point is that they need a manager that can get Phillips and Encarnacion playing for the team with these other young players. With the decent pitching they are developing and Walt putting a couple more pieces in place, this could be a contender.
Walt has done nearly nothing in assembling this team...
Kosuke Fukudome: $55 million .270 .370 .395
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .362 .417
Dickerson and Bruce are regulars now that Griffey and Dunn are gone.
Seems like that is pretty important and Walt has clearly signaled the Reds are going to get rid of the excess. I am not trying to defend Walt, but this team is different this month than it was last month and I think Walt is responsible for that and I think it is the right direction for the Reds.
even though its an out
i love it when glaus spikes his bat after he misses a pitch he thinks he should destroy
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
yeah, it does
im surprised i am not tired of it, i reckon i just like when people get pissed off when they mess up
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Aug 17, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahah
thats a good one
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Aug 17, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the front office
has never looked up the term “sunk cost” in a financial dictionary.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 17, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf kennedy
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
did AK ust ground into a DP
or are my eyes deceiving me?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no it's not de ja vu
it was a new one
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Tony doesn't play
roulette. If it came up red three times he might lose his life’s savings.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 17, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it was more of the fact that “we’re not going to get a lot of runs, so field the better defense and hope we don’t concede many”. though it was probably a bit of both.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
in defense of Tony, a bit
if you had four MI’s…only one of whom had a good avg and none of whom had any pop… what would YOU do?
I'd do just this
which is why I said the above. Play a solid defensive set, hope for a good game from Lohse, and wish the other side is having a bad day or bullpen implosion.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Tony tells them constantly
they need to win the series. He never says “sweep” the series.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 17, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair, all we have to do is win the series here on out to get to 90 wins. so saying that is reasonable. and while he may be tired, this isn’t exactly the easiest pitcher to sweep against
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Still have to play hard
and Tony has to stop sending in the AAAA team—not that he’s doing it today, but he did do it last week against the Braves. Every game counts, not just those against NL Central opponents.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 17, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone think Kyle is pitching crummy
because we didn’t re-sign him before the trade deadline like he asked?
He said he was "open" to it
and that he would discuss it on favorable terms to the Cardinals if they did so before the trade deadline passed. But afterwards, they would have to get in line with everyone else. Mo’s response was that FA extensions would be handled after the season and that they were a “dstraction” during.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 17, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm glad we didn't anyways, regardless of performance here on out
there was a clear upper hand if it was done pretrade deadline not only that, but at the deadline his peak was probably as high as it’s ever been in his career, it could only go down from there
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
going to have to agree with HC
Volquez should get rookie of the year
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Except that he isn't eligible
to be a rookie.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
well then, I supposed Soto is going to get it…
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Love that 96 mph heater up and in to Ludwick.
Volquez didn’t mean it, but that is an extremely effective pitch. I wish more pitchers would throw it now and again.
good walk luddy
hopefully we get it started here
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Let the elbow talk commence
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
maybe not, kinda sane around here today. and reallllly quiet.
seems since the cub series it’s getting quieter and quieter
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
fdhau
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Cmon redbirds
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Lohse seems to have cleaned it up
starting to churn now
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Now for some runs huh
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
i'd take a couple of hits
at the moment
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough Decesion to Make
Should I make Indian Chicken Curry or Thai Curry Chicken for dinner?
These are two distinct dishes, the Thai is a touch sweet and has a spicy kick, where as the Indian is creamy and rich with a beautiful curry taste. There is no spice (unless you add it) in the Indian curry dish.
fan of Indian myself
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ooo
can’t decide… although I think Thai is one of my favorites
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus needs to steal
let’s remove kennedy from the equation, heh.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
those walks have got to come back and haunt Volquez sooner or later
Go Kennedy
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Yadi time
lets do it baby
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Lohse you are an idiot
take a 3-1 pitch. Stupid Stupid baseball. You are hitting .065 fir Christ’s sake
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
It was a strike.
In fairness. But I agree, the TAKE sign should have been tattooed on his brain.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 17, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but loshe cannot hit
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
take on 3-1
and use two pitches to see if you can get on base. swing on 3-2 if it’s in the zone
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf lohse
keep your head you hot head
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
lohse may need a wakeup call
kinda a dick move. Volquez was a little wild last inning, doesn’t deserve to have his head taken off by a fastball.
as i said below
that was the 2nd time volquez got the same pitch at a card, i have no problem with lohse reminding volquez that it goes both ways
+1
to luddy was fine, lohse wasn’t. didn’t appear wildness as it was almost exact as the one to luddy, placement and all
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
These guys will face each other at least one more time today
I don’t really think that’s a contest we want to see.
by Red in Chicago on Aug 17, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
it won't happen today, don't want to get kicked out of the game
but I guarantee the reds will remember it the next time lohse pitches against them.
eh, team volleyball... lol
and there’s some serious headhunting tactics in that sport, so it may not appeal
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a pacifist
In fact I’d like to throw a baseball at your head right now, but I think the person should deserve it at least.
Think that was payback
for the pitch he got in the top of the inning? “I can throw a high inside fastball too”
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
luddy's was ok in my book
to the other teams pitcher is a lil silly though
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lud's would have been OK IF
it hadn’t been followed by the exact same pitch to Lohse.
by StanTheManFan on Aug 17, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
At this stage of the ballgame
Lohse is pitching better than Volquez.
Let’s hope the score will change accordingly
uh no Lohse is not
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Lohse is actually throwing strikes..
…Volquez is not.
by Brianzaredbird on Aug 17, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
but Volquez is much more efficient only 65 pitches
Lohse has 90
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
Right but...
Lohse is pitching better after the first few innings.
by Brianzaredbird on Aug 17, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Let Volquez..
..go up tp 90 pitches in the 6th
by Brianzaredbird on Aug 17, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
we might just see a brawl today
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
that'd be good
we could use a couple of suspensions right now. We’ve got games we can afford to lose.
They interviewed Bruce earlier this year
and asked to what he attributed he monster numbers. You know what he said?
“Small sample size.”
He wants stolen bases
because the Reds were born to run
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Alright
Double leadoff, let’s see if it pays this inning
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
as opposed to Iz who didn't even get the ball in the field?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
way to go skippy
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
here is our chance
When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom
great job taking ball 3 pujols
make him pay…or walk
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
should have been ball four, that was a generous first strike
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 17, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
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