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Game 126 Open Thread- 16th August, 2008

Pineiro_joel_medium Harang_aaron_medium

5-5, 4.82                 3-12, 5.17

 

A Reds team remade

The pickings should be easy

Attack, men! Attack!

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ATTACK!

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh well, skippy

cures all ills

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

F. Lopez at short
it will be interesting
to see his defense

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry for the late GT, everybody

Running a bit late. I believe Roseville Redbird was first in the other thread.

Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?

by the red baron on Aug 16, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haikus and late game threads are double the good look

look it up!

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Silence...

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

11 pitch first innings

will do that to ya.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sigh

yeah

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was thinking...

this looks like our best offensive lineup on paper…so we’ll probably get shut out…

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thought that was a double play

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does joel know

we are not in the lead?

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a double play if kennedy's at second

or brendan ryan. Or, probably, pujols.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or me?

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh....

should have been a DP…instead it is 1st and 3rd….D.GOOCH

-- GOOCH

by GOOCH24 on Aug 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fish grab an early jump on the Cubbies

Just as the Reds get one on us

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

buckle down guys

Marlins are already up 1-0 vs. cubs

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shoulda been ball 4 to Rick

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh well, got it on 3-2

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good ab Rick

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good eye, Rick

let’s go Santa!

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

that second called strike to ankiel was a bit wide. high too, maybe.

Good job not letting it get to ya, ank.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good atbat ANK!

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by themanthemyth on Aug 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't Regress now Lopez!

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

floppy got a good shot

at an easy rbi

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sweet

gameday says that passed ball was in the strike zone- didn’t look like it on mlb tv, though.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a Strike??

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man that outside strike is getting called soooo wide

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

five-ball walk

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

same for yaddi

just no dp please!!!!

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good job yadi...

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 16, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great

pinata bats 8th

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

squeeze,plz

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

piniero is such a terrible bunter, though

can’t trust him to bunt :(

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whats the sign for...

dont take the bat off your shoulder?

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tony choking pineiro in the dugout.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alright grit, time to be gritty

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 16, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, that's sort of gritty

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 16, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is exactly why pitcher 8th

is not a winning decision. the team that scores first wins a high percentage of the games. we already lost that one and now we don’t optimize a bases loaded situation because pinata can’t hit his way out of a pinata

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

it really hurt us today.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really?

how did the position of the pitcher matter there?

If Miles had GIDP and ended the inning, it would have mattered, but we scored the same number of runs as we would have with the pitcher hitting 9th, except that with men on 1st and 3rd piniero probably would have bunted instead of K’ing.

Wow, skip!

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

skippy!!!!!!!!

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 16, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

crushed that ball

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

nice nice nice. that was nice.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Aug 16, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wonder if he would have got to that ball in the first

lacking evidence to the contrary, I say yes.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope Jo-el can hold the lead

God, Harang sucks. I drafted him in one of my fantasy leagues, hoping he’d be one of the anchors of my rotation. That did not work out very well…

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harang = K. Wells

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cruel

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

truth hurts

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's pitching injured

Along with Corey patterson being on the team and Adam Dunn gone, that’s Dusty’s contribution to the 2008 reds.

Harang probably deserved the cy young a couple years ago, though.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for real

Especially considering how aggressive Oquendo usually is…

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone remember all of the good pitching duels

we had against harang in the past? It seems like he always beat us by one run. Not the case in 08!

That was a real test," Soriano said of the play. "He didn’t call the ball, I didn’t call the ball, but I saw him close to the ball and I let him get the ball."

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Aug 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

knock on wood.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im talking about 1 or 2 run games...

not the case here… no knocking on wood necessary. I don’t see this as a pitcher’s duel

That was a real test," Soriano said of the play. "He didn’t call the ball, I didn’t call the ball, but I saw him close to the ball and I let him get the ball."

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Aug 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was just saying

he could still beat us by 1 run.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh well

skippy cures all ills and picks up pinata big time

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would feel comfortable with a little more cushion

That was a real test," Soriano said of the play. "He didn’t call the ball, I didn’t call the ball, but I saw him close to the ball and I let him get the ball."

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Aug 16, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ah

joel still has that magic

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who's the long man tonight?

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

10 grit points for that

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is ten a lot of grit points

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if Pinata leads the league

in putting the lead-off man on following an inning where his team scores him some runs.

by fuegophil on Aug 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

-5

grit points

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great save by Albert

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

never talk bad about molina.

he is the greatness.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

molina is awesome

but that was a poor throw

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gosh darn it Molina

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

including pineiro?

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by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty gritty k there though

gotta give him credit ;)

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't know about -100, but

the grit total is headed negative pretty quick

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i doubt it.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

was about to post the same thing.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looks like luke and I are watching one

and tewk and Molina another.

To me it looks like Lopez was surprised the ump didn’t give him the “vicinity” call.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea

that would’ve been a verrrrrrrrrrrrry generous vicinity call

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

big k there pin

wtg

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joel

pitchin grtty

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by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geez

Hell, we don’t truly have a long man tonight anyways, do we? Unless Garcia is avail.. doubtful

And for those who say Miles isn’t a SS, he’s not a 2B either.

Twice two innings.. Ugh

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

well, until you want to bunt on him, then it could be trouble.. he may have to field it

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miles is the perfect Rover

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it will be interesting what happens with miles and his more expensive twin, floppy

over the winter. ’bout 10x salary difference i think, but floppy is the better athlete and maybe player. we would have grudz at 2nd now if they had paid him floppy money

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hopefully we will have a real SS & 2B next year

and won’t need so many redundant parts. I am a firm believer that the farm teams could provide at least one decent bench player at a much lower cost than either Miles, Izturis, Kennedy, or Lopez

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the pinata cracked

but did not break

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reds will beat on him again next inning

hope he doesn’t crack then either

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he didn't even crack really

i hate pineiro more than any other cardinal, but that inning was the result of bad luck and bad defense.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am absolutely stunned

that we didn’t give up a run in that inning.

by Phizzle on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great catch by luddy there

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very nice save pin

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offering some love for Luddy

making a nice catch to end the inning.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo yaaaa!!!!!!

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by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 16, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaron Harang

what the hell has happened to you?

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by Raconteur on Aug 16, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell yeah!

APu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep it up, guys

Harang’s not gonna be in the game much longer

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harang

Is he trying to play the “I can throw a fastball middle-in and beat everyone in your entire batting order” game? Because it is not working.

by stlfan on Aug 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shhhh!

don’t tell him that!

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah

he’s playing the “dusty made me throw 108+ pitches 5 times before may 6th, and now my elbow hurts” game. harang’s been abused in the past, and it’s caught up to him.

I’d put money on an off-season TJ.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is he signed long term?

if not I could see the Cards making a run at him after his seemingly inevitable TJ

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unfortunately

07:$4.25M, 08:$6.75M, 09:$11M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout)

(source: cots contracts)

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are those figures

how much he will be paid, or how many pitches Dusty will make him throw? ;-)

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poor Reds

Hopefully he comes back strong. I like that ugly SOB

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is ugly for sure.

But what has happened to him? He used to be good, real good.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

arm gonna fall off

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do too

although I’m not sure why. He just seems like a classy player…but I can’t remember what gave me that impression…

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by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was Skip's HR longer? I think it was

it must be the elbow

/sarcasm

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WW just scored from 1st...

on a Daryl jones 3B…scary…been 84-85 on the fb so far

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by nomar34 on Aug 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

84-85?

Uh, he must still be injured then.

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by Raconteur on Aug 16, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have seen 91 87 88

Maybe 84 is a change but he is throwin a lot of them

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by nomar34 on Aug 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd hope it's his change

because Waino sits 92-90 when he’s right

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by Raconteur on Aug 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

every time I look

floppy’s on base again

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know...

it’s all the guy does is get on and run crazy on the bases.

by stlfan on Aug 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe a change of teams

helped a bit

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What--Elijah Dukes' not your idea of a role model?

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK...little stretch, but...

Everyone was chirping about not going out and getting a Will Clark (a low cost, possible high reward guy) at the trade deadline. Well, Clark came over to the Cardinals at the end of the 2000 season to try and get us to the playoffs/world series and hit .345/.426/.655 in the 51 remaining games. I don’t think ANYONE expects “floppy” to do that, but Lopez has hit .357/.400/.500, before being on base twice tonight on walks, in his 9 games since coming over. Add in the walks and he’s sitting at .357/.438/.500. If he keeps up .938 OPS, I think this will be a fun team to watch down the stretch. (Hell, it’ll be fun anyway, but this will help.)

by stlfan on Aug 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Lopez finishes up anywhere near where Clark did on his binge

in AVG and/or OBP, I will really like that signing

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Floppy

sounds like a bunny rabbit name.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 16, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cards are only one game above 500

against central opponnents wow

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by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pirates

Well, our annual punching bags, aka the Pittsburgh Pirates, have been kicking and biting back at us this year…that makes it harder.

by stlfan on Aug 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then against the brew crew and cubs

explains the defict for sure

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by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 best teams in NL

cubs,crew,cards

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

considering the 4th place team in the central

could be in the division chase in the west, I’d say that it’s understandable

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya its funny how the ctral

was the “worst” division

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lopez should steal 2nd

perfect time to chance it

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now!

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if floppy

would have paid more attention to veb instructions, we’d have 7

plus another plus for pitcher bats 8th

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

double lead off does have 4 RBIs

tonight

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok

but it took a homer from skip, not a regular outcome and only because pinata was bad enough not to hit into a double play. i still think its not the way to go.

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

skip was irrelevant

swap the #8 and #9 in the 2nd inning and the exact same outcome occurs, regardless of what skip does.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as long as no dp

lucky for us pinata did not hit the ball

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

our pitchers have GIDP twice this year

I think we can consider that a rare enough outcome to have a negligible effect on run scoring.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

interesting

i guess yadi’s 17 has affected that stat for pitchers, still surprising though

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

hurt us that time, assuming Miles would have gotten a hit in his next PA.

(Of course, if miles made an out, then we’d be starting the next inning with the P leading off as an automatic out)

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course that assumes they don't IBB or UIBB miles (hitting 8th)

to get to piniero hitting 9th, in which case it’s the same outcome as what just happened except you don’t have 2 leadoff men in front of albert. I guess it lets you skip the Miles PA, which is a positive thing, but not huge.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice Yadi

and man oh man is he slow

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 16, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and I agree with AL

why not send Lopez with 2 outs and Pin at the plate? Haven’t they seen Pin hit?

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, Piniero on deck

I blame that brain fart on them not sending Lopez….or that awesome nickname Cards fan in Chitown has for him

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice hit

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by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do not understand why they did not have Lopez running

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100% agree...

i think i may have said it 10 times to myself out loud…

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

joining on that one

I put a run on the board off Yadi’s bat ??

by the Tewk on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why visit the mound when the pitcher is at bat?

I mean, what’s the coach to say? If you have to calm your pitcher down to pitch to the other pitcher.. something is wrong.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh well

you cannot complain too much there, I just think it is a wasted oppurtunity

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh? lol

why would I complain, i don’t care who visits harang. just struck me as humurous

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

humorous even

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

think he meant...

to reply to the discussion above, could be wrong…

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ah, fair enough

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Something IS wrong

That’s exactly why. In his last 5 starts before tonight Harang has given up a .355/.424/.720 line to the Dodgers, Blue Jays, Pirates, Cubs and Astros. That includes 9 homers in 26 innings and a WHIP of 2.038.

He’s been worse this game.

by stlfan on Aug 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know he's stinking up the joint

but i can’t recall the last visit to the mound with 2 outs when the pitcher was up to bat. Just struck me odd

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"What's the coach to say?"

“Aaron, you know you still have 85 pitches to throw, right?”

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by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe...

“you’re going 7 innings tonight unless I actually have to come out here and pick your arm up, off the ground, because it has finally fallen off of your body.”

by stlfan on Aug 16, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hanley Ramirez halfway to the cycle

needs a triple and a single

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and a caught stealing (?)

was he picked off, or did he try to steal 3rd?

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what kind of pitch count

is Wainwright on tonight?

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by madding on Aug 16, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pineiro is dealing

and… they need to stop the Joe Buck commercials.

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by madding on Aug 16, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa, Pin had 1-2-3

way to go, Jo-el

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yonder allosno

maybe with all that cash he can change his name…over yonder..wooo

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by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miles

just gritted the ball right out of Phillip’s glove.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who would have thought

grit was so slippery

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the reds need to waive harrang

maybe Dunc could fix him..cough

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by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is that the common thought hes

hurt? something aint right…mayeb he’s just back to being harrang

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by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he was back to being harang

…he’d be pitching a good game right now. He’s definitely hurt – time on the DL this year, lowered velocity, etc.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish they would DFA him

that would be so worth picking him up if the Reds were on the hook for that contract!

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About time you did something Luddy!

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DFA him!

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by madding on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

studwick!!

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

luddites rejoice

for the 31st time

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

harrang

done

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by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they should just shut him down for the year

and figure out what’s wrong with him

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by madding on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About time

Was starting to feel a litle sorry for him…

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by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a question I'd love to hear an announcer ask a draft pick like yonder

“Do you feel that holding out to the last minute to sign, over half a million or so, or even 1-2M, makes up for the fact that you lost half a year’s development time in the minors this year?”

Hate the frigging softball BS.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you see what Brett Wallace said to that question?

“I want to start playing as soon as possible.” He has his head on straight.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

seems to me the only reason to hold out is that you don’t have faith in your own abilities. They are going to pay you well regardless, if you’re a first-rounder.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hell, he would have signed even sooner if it wasn’t for the CWS getting in the way. said in his first radio interview that there was no doubts on the signing, on either end

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea

they make it sound like yonder is lie the biblical second coming kind of thing.

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by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wainwright - 4 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K, 55 pitches

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by madding on Aug 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GDM better get busy making that backup

STUDWICK! sign

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just go ahead and make it MVP-Wick

Studwick is so all-star-breakish

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by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luddy

Does it seem like every time AP hits one early in a game, Luddy follows it with another of his own?

by fuegophil on Aug 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Distance on that one?

Glaus warning tracked one earlier, with a lil more umph could have had 4 out of 5 in the top 5 of the batting order with hr

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan Ludwick is my HERO

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

8 HRs, 1.211 OPS this month

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

APu!!!

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert back to back

Wow

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by ANDYAK47 on Aug 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pujols

coming in on 30 fast!!! he has no power anymore though….

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

poor guy

now what is Lopez’s nickname man?

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my nickname for him is The Fliz

but I’m not sure if I like it that much though

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tonight it's

Felipe Getonbasepez

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hits keep on coming like out of a Pez dispenser?

oh, LoPEZ

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

let’s call him pez then

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone in the STL area

know if the Rams game is on tv today?

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by Molina4MVP on Aug 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

loves GA Ball Park

12 HRs in Cincy

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by gocards62 on Aug 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pujols has beyond the warning track power

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by madding on Aug 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey madding

Is your profile picture taken from the old Nintendo basketball game? Just wondering…

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by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes it is...

Double Dribble!

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by madding on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thought so...

Been many moons ago. I remember thinking that was so damn cool…. :-)

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man, I loved Double Dribble

I was unstoppable ! , just like Luddy

yeah , I like Luddy, get over it

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was fun

My older brother used to beat the crap out of me though when we played. I seem to remember one of those baseball games where you could control the pitch after you threw it… :-) Terrible…

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by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert how's that elbow

Albert: “Sometimes some bloggers can be like MSM, sigh”

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

give you explosive

diahrea?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh, no

but the elbow has been a game thread, fan post discussion the past few weeks

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am just gonna give you

a virtual slap on the forehead right now

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

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by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am offended!

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Albert does read stuff on the Internet actually

Probably not too much, though. I know he did post some stuff on John Rodriguez’s MLB blog in the run-up to the 2006 WS.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish Albert had a blog like that

it would be awesome

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by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

El Hombre's Blog:

“I just try to wait for a good pitch…then whack the crap out of it. Then I thank the Lord.”

Signed,

Albert.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ankiel has a website

and I think some of the minor leaguers have put up some things in the past. I’m not aware of anyone doing a day-by-day kind of thing. Schilling’s blog is kind of interesting in a non-controversial sort of way.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

J-Rod did in '06

and maroth in ’07- based on those two samples, hope no one else considers it!

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