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Good morning, esteemed members of the Viva el Birdos community. Does the day find you well? I certainly hope it does.

First off, I have to get something off my chest. I was wrong about Felipe Lopez.

Man, that hurt. Anyway, I was very down on the pickup at the time, as I saw absolutely no real role for him on the team. He doesn't hit any better than any of our other weak ass middle infielders, and his defense is a significant downgrade compared to the guys we have, I said. When he got here and began his Cardinal career by taking at bats away from Joe Mather in the outfield, my worst fears were confirmed. We brought in yet another utility player for Tony to give ABs to over more talented, better options.

Well, turns out that those who lauded the move as just the kind of change of scenery pickup that could do a player some real good were at least partially right. Lopez has hit very well since he's been here, providing a nice spark for the offense. Don't get me wrong, he's still not an All Star in my estimation, but he's been a solid pickup, considering that it cost virtually nothing to bring him in.

Lopez still shouldn't be taking at bats away from any of our outfielders, all of whom have much, much more to offer than Lopez. He also shouldn't be playing shortstop much, as his glove work just can't compare to Cesar over there. I do, however, like seeing Lopez in the lineup at second base. He offers better offensive upside than either Adam Kennedy or even, to my mind, Aaron Miles, and his glove plays better on the right side than it does on the left.

The one thing that's still a little frustrating about the whole Lopez deal, though, is that we now essentially have three second basemen on the roster. Lopez makes a little better utility infielder than the other two, obviously, but putting him at second is really the best use of his talents. Unfortunately, the Cardinals are overloaded with guys who shouldn't really play positions other than second very often, if at all. Still, on balance, it was a low risk pickup of a guy who, at the very least, is significantly more gifted offensively than the rest of our middle infield corps. And losing Brendan Ryan obviously isn't a huge problem; in fact, it's not really even a consideration.

Moving on.

First off, Michael Phelps is really good. I know that isn't really news, but I just thought I would add to the chorus. I always enjoy watching the Olympics, and this one has been truly special, mostly due to Phelps' record pursuit. If you haven't been watching, you've missed one of the most amazing sporting events of our time.

Second, Cliff Lee is also really good. He won again last night, running his record to 17-2. Last night, he shut down the best team in baseball, the Angels, to the tune of a complete game, with two runs allowed on eight hits, two walks, and six strikeouts. Remember back during the offseason, when there were some rumours floating around that the Indians might be looking to move Lee, possibly for something along the lines of our very own pitching enigma, Anthony Reyes, plus maybe a mid level relief prospect? Oh, if only we could go back and make that happen... Hell, the Indians ended up getting Reyes anyway. You know, while I was watching both the Cleveland game and our own contest last night, I realised that Jaime Garcia actually reminds me quite a bit of Lee. Very similar deliveries, with high arm slots and a tendency to throw the ball with the hand on the outside of it a bit, creating some cutting action. Similar velocity, similar breaking balls. If you get a chance, look at the two of them side by side and see if you agree with me. I would link to Pitching Clips, but it's been down for a couple of months now, it seems. I'm not sure what sort of problems the guys over there are having, but I miss having one of my favourite resources. (And favourite time wasters, to be perfectly frank.)

Speaking of Reyes, I'm not going to bring him up here. That debate has been pretty well covered 'round these parts, and I'm not looking to get everyone up in arms at this early hour. I will, however, direct anyone who happens to be interested to my new weekly feature over at the Rundown, the Anthony Reyes Watch. Whether you fall on the Duncan side or the Reyes side of the Great Debate, come on over and check out what our very own Prodigal Son is doing. You can leave me comments, too, even if they're really, really unpleasant. Google Analytics has no idea if you hate me or not.

Alright, enough whoring. Onward and upward.

I have, not one, but two record recommendations for you guys this morning! I know you're all very excited; I can feel it in the air. (Insert Phil Collins music and star wipes here.) Dr. Dog, one of my absolute favourite bands in the world, has a new record out called Fate. If you're not familiar (and I have every reason to think you are not), Dr. Dog are a Philadelphia band that have a little bit of ELO in them, if ELO didn't suck. (I shouldn't say that; I actually like ELO, but it's such a good line I just can't resist.) Anyhow, check them out over at iTunes or something; you can thank me later. If nothing else, support them just for the fact that they still do all their recording on analog tape. Now that's dedication, and that devotion comes through.

Second recommendation: quite possibly the best band in the city of St. Louis right now, Gentlemen Auction House, recently released their first full length, Alphabet Graveyard. GAH (love that abbrev., by the way), feel a bit like one of the current legions of (mostly) Canadian collective bands that have come to rule the indie rock roost the past few years. A little Arcade Fire/ Broken Social Scene/ Wolf Parade thing going on. I've been a fan of these guys since they put out their very first EP several years ago, and they're finally starting to attract a little real attention. Try it, you'll like it.

That's better; whoring by proxy.

By the way, speaking of analog tape, did everyone here (or anyone here), know that the Large Hadron Collider over in Europe is going to be recording all of its data on magnetic tape? Apparently, CERN (the body that governs experimental atomic stuff, apparently), has decided that's the most cost effective and safe way to store miles and miles worth of numeric data. Who knew? As a fan of pretty much any kind of dead end technology (you guys want to come over and watch my copy of Army of Darkness on Laserdisc? I've got Akira, too!), I cannot tell you how excited I was to read this little tidbit.

It became official yesterday; the Cardinals lost out on the Yorman Rodriguez sweepstakes, as he signed with the Reds. If you don't follow the international signing market much, Rodriguez was one of the top talents available in this year's crop. He's Venezuelan, and a true five tool outfield prospect, drawing some comparisons to Carlos Beltran. There are some questions about whether he'll hit enough in pro ball, but all the raw tools are there. I have to say, I'm really, really disappointed to see this. I'm not sure how close the Cardinals were on this one; by all reports, it was basically down to the Reds and the Cards, but it hurts to see this sort of thing happen. It's exciting to see the Cardinals apparently delving into the international markets to try and bring in talent, but still... It's tough not to be frustrated by the way that this franchise seems to be a bridesmaid pretty much every time they try and go get something. Sigh. Still, they were in it until the end, which is encouraging.

The Royals came to terms with Tim Melville yesterday. I understand there are concerns about his mechanics (I don't particularly share those concerns, but), but the Royals got one of the best high school arms in the entire draft in the fourth round. I have to count this as a failure of some sort by the Cardinals. When you have this kind of a talent living thirty miles from your stadium and he gets passed over so long, you have to bring a guy like that in. Very disappointing.

There was some confusion last night in the game thread about Chris Perez possibly throwing a sinker on a couple of different pitches. I was curious, too, after reading those comments, so I went to the Pitch f/x, found the pitches in question, and then went and watched the game again on the DVR.

As postulated by several people in the game thread at the time, the pitches that pitch f/x classified as sinkers were, in fact, sliders. The two in question both fooled the system due to the fact that they broke almost straight down, with very little lateral movement. One of the sliders in question was the very last pitch of the game; if you get a chance to see a replay, you'll see that the ball drops almost straight down while 'backing up', rather than cutting toward the first base side of the plate.

Interestingly (to me, anyway), Scott Olsen, the Marlins' lefty starter that we saw a couple of days ago, often has the same situation happen, with his slider being called either a sinker or, occasionally, a splitter. When Olsen's slider is really on, it features that same sort of straight down, split finger action that a couple of Perez's pitches had last night. Kinda cool, if you ask me.

While I'm on the subject of Young Pitcher (love that nickname), La Russa had some very nice comments about Perez in the postgame last night. For Perez and Garcia both, actually. I bring this up because Tony takes an awful lot of heat for the way he deals with young players from a lot of people, myself most definitely included. Most of the time, I feel that it's well deserved. But, if you're going to criticise, you should also be willing to give credit when and where it is due, and so I'm doing that now. Both of those pitchers performed beautifully in the game last night, and La Russa made sure to acknowledge those performances.

You know, I actually had an actual big discussion topic for this morning, but looking at this this, it's awfully long already. (can I get a TWSS?) I think I'll just save it for another day.

Hope that you all enjoy your Saturday. I'll be along later with a game thread.

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Love the development of the youngsters

Do we really think Garcia might be ready for the rotation next spring?

by sdrone on Aug 16, 2008 9:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either him or McClellan, but

during the game last night Danny Mac mentioned that the organization is split on whehter or not to move McClellan to the rotation. Some people believe he’s a perfect set up guy because he’s so effective against lefties and want to see him remain there.

Garcia looked great last night, and if he keeps pitching like this, it would be criminal to not let him at least compete for a spot in the rotation next spring.

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on Aug 16, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How old is K-Mac?

I’m torn too. He has the pure “stuff” to possibly developt into a top of the rotation starter. But he also has the makeup to be a good setup man, and taking him out of our pen immediately makes it significantly worse.

Assuming he’s okay with it, I’d probably leave him in the pen.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 16, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

K-Mac is 24

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 11:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're probably not surprised

I’d bet part of that split depends on whether or not Josh Kinney and Tyler Johnson can actually play ball next spring.

by sdrone on Aug 16, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, yet more injured pitchers

This song is getting old. Although either Johnson or Kinney should be a September call up, according to the PD from yesterday, I think it was.

And Mulder adnd Clement would be ready by opening day, with Carp at the All Star break.

Sorry if my frustration over the health of so many important pieces to the rotation boils over, but I’m SICK of all the health problems with this pitching staff…no pun intended.

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on Aug 16, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was Kinney

and I think it was more him wishing to be a September call-up than it being an actual possibility.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kinney and Johnson..

Both were amazing in the ‘06 playoffs, but sadly I’m not sure if either will ever have that kind of success again. I just don’t trust the medical staff and have seen nothing to suggest that I should. Is this why Pujols doesn’t want to go under the knife? I doubt it. But anyways, how about those 16 innings from Carp, Mulder, and Clement?!

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carp, I understand...

He actually came back close to when they thought he would. I’m not too concerned with his latest setback, but with the track record of the Cardinals and injuries lately, if Carp’s deal balloons into another surgery I wouldn’t be surprised, either. Like you, I have little faith in Dr Paletta and his apparent medical hobby shop.

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on Aug 16, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel ya MCF

Sometimes I think the Cardinals should just get Baghdad Bob to give their player health updates… :-)

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 6:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

blast from the past. who’s their pharmacist? chemical ali? sorry, that was in poor taste.

by spencegrif on Aug 16, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You wonder

if TLR might be thinking about reliever usage during the 1950s and 1960s, when the best reliever on the team wasn’t the “closer” but rather the “fireman” — the guy brought in when the game was on the line in the mid-to-late innings, two on, two out, that kind of thing. There has been a school of thought for some time in the more analytical baseball circles that that’s where the top bullpen arms provide the greatest leverage, not starting the 9th when the threat of immediate catastrophe is less. K-Mac has both the stuff and the mindset for that role, and TLR’s vaunted creativity includes willingness to study baseball history and learn from it.

I agree about Garcia, though. He looks like a solid #3 starter in the making.

by StanTheManFan on Aug 16, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

springer is the fireman now and has proved valuable in that role. problem is his elbow is a nagging issue that keeps form pitching more than a few pitches every 3 days or so. more frequent and his effectiveness really drops off. to me, you gotta have such a guy among active guys its either mac or motte. the “prez” gotta close next year.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's also the school of thought on Carlos Marmol

although I’m not convinced he’s a better reliever than Kerry Wood. Nevertheless, same situation and there’s some comfort in knowing you have a “Holy shit, get us out of here” guy. That’s how guys like Goose Gossage were used. He used to pitch 2 maybe 3 innings a game. Now guys come in in the 9th with no runners on and a 3 run lead and get a save. Goose was a stud.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ELO Suck?

Never! Never! Never! Remember, George Harrison, Roy Orbison, Bob Dylan, and Tom Petty thought that Jeff Lynne was good enough to add him to the Wilburys. Good enough for me.

by Iowa on Aug 16, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Music

Whenever music comes up on a baseball site, it immediately alienates me, reminding me that, as much as I may enjoy what the players do on the field and bloggers do online, I would not enjoy hanging out with, say, Jim Edmonds long enough to have to listen to Kenny Chesney, or Matt Leach once the conversation approached Pearljam, or REO Speedwagon at the mysterious MLB studios, or Spiezio and his band, or Reyes and his friends. I like these people a lot better when they’re working, and don’t get to choose what they wear or what I hear.

But I hadn’t heard of GAH before this post, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to listen to them this morning.

by Don Zero on Aug 16, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edmonds always said

that he listened to whatever his daughter put on his ipod. Heh.

by sdrone on Aug 16, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And not to toot my own horn.....

But I was definitely onboard with the Lopez signing. I saw little to no risk, and maybe, just maybe, I thought he could turn things around. Our bench was really missing a true super-sub type guy, and Lopez can fill that role. He also has some speed, which is something we don’t have much of. I love that we’ve been running a little more of late. Good way to steal some extra runs.

A sweep of the Reds would be just what the doctor ordered about now. I don’t see them scoring alot in any game, but we’re about to face a couple of decent arms. Gotta get some runs across when we can.

Posted this last night, but that was the first game where Garcia looked comfortable to me. He looked very solid, and “ready” for a rotation spot next year. Glad we didn’t move him for Fuentes. That would have been dumb.

Perez also looked great last night. If’n he’ll just throw strikes, he’ll be fine. He is going to get in trouble with the walks and the falling behind in the count.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 16, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If any fans anywhere are prepared to

live with a closer who “gets in trouble with the walks and falling behind in the count,” it’s us. Doesn’t that statment remind you of someone?

Given what TLR has been used to watching for the last few years, he really can’t complain when Perez puts a few guys on base.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 16, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

better than expected for floppy

agreed and he would be a better utility bet than miles next year, except i think his contract t is literally 10x miles 500k. with ak on the books, floppy looks like a nice decision to finish the year, but won’t fit in long term financially

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 12:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was also immediately...

on board with the Lopez signing, even before it happened. He’s an upgrade offensively from Ryan, and it cost nothing to get him. The one thing I did say upon hearing about the signing was..“dear god, they better not let him play the outfield”.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giving Thompson some love

Im just here to say that Thompson pitched a great game last night. Going five innings and giving up 3 hits and 2 ER runs while striking out 4.

Just had to give him prompts snice apparently it was decided in the first inning last night that he wasn’t good enough for a major league roster spot for some reason.

by Evilfrog on Aug 16, 2008 10:59 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

This dude does nothing but when games when he starts. He doesn’t have great stuff, but it seems he never has the really bad outings. I like having him in that long-relief, emergency starter role. Couldn’t think of a better fit.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 16, 2008 11:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thompson.....very underapreciated

He is versitile and he can spot star, pitch long relief, normal relief, and pitch on short rest. He is the type of guy teams need.

by ICbirdfan on Aug 16, 2008 11:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm a fan

as if that was hard to figure out.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's exactly the kind of guy a team needs

He’s not ever going to be a stud, but his versatility and ability to fill whatever role is needed really helps out the team.

by birdo rojo on Aug 16, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if i get to go to the game tomorrow afternoon

look for a sign close to the reds dugout that says something along the lines of,

Brad Thompson, Kickin Puppies & takin names since 2007

he does pretty well for a kid that keeps getting jerked around from Memphis to the STL, from starter, reliever, mop up guy, etc. i was glad to read that Tony appreciates his efforts last night as well.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 16, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure about Lopez

Since coming over to the Cardinals he has a higher K rate and lower BB rate than he had with WAS this year. His ISO is up some but his BABIP is a ridiculous .455. I think he’s probably the same guy he’s always been for the last 3 years.

http://firstinning.com/players/Felipe-Lopez-a/

by mikedallas45 on Aug 16, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s also 28 at-bats. Just for reference, Ryan Ludwick was at 233/258/267 after his first 30 at-bats with the Cardinals last year.

by greenback06 on Aug 16, 2008 11:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying though

Who is the real Felipe Lopez, the one from the last 2.5 seasons or the one from the last 2 weeks? I know which one I’m putting my money on.

by mikedallas45 on Aug 16, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I wish there was a way I could bet money in situations likes this.

by greenback06 on Aug 16, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

30 PAs mean nothing. There is no reason to think that he is actually going to be an asset to this team. Switching positions now is blowing in the wind with popular opinion unless something that you’ve seen from a skillset levels appears to have changed.

by azruavatar on Aug 16, 2008 12:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I mostly agree

but I am somewhat encouraged that he looks more athletic than the rest of our MIs. Haven’t really had a chance to watch him play the infield much. As long as he doesn’t play the outfield I promise to keep my complaining to a minimum

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 16, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sample size

These arguments are fine if you’re trying to predict long-term performance. But that’s not really the case here — they were looking for a short-term bump to help with a playoff push, and have gotten it so far. So let’s just be happy with that, and give Mo, Tony, and Perez credit for it.

Longer-term, my concern is that Mo has given Tony another shiny multi-position-playing toy that he’ll over-use. Lopez is fine on this team, but only if he takes AB’s from Kennedy and Miles, not if he gets them at the expense of outfielders who are better hitters. I guess the real problem is that you have two good defenders that only play one position don’t hit very well (Izturis and Kennedy), and you have two other guys who play multiple positions and (potentially) hit a little better, but are sub-par defenders everywhere (Miles and Lopez). That’s a bad mix, as it means we’re carrying too many middle infielders who are much worse hitters than available outfielders.

FWIW, current (and career) OPS+ for these guys are:
Kennedy 75 (87)
Miles 95 (76)
Izturis 69 (69)
Lopez 64, but 137 with STL (non sustainable!), and 87 career.

Defense is a bit trickier to judge, but there’s a pretty firm consensus on these guys. Izturis and Kennedy come out better than Lopez and Miles in both range factor and probabilistic model of range.

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shiny Toy

That too is my concern. If Lopez can continue his hot streak for the rest of the season, he sure the hell BETTER be taking ABs away from the other MIFs. Maybe if he does end up going onto the roster next year (which I hope he doesn’t), the plus side could be a jettisoning of AK and Izturis. I still hope beyond hope that we end up with a real, everyday, offensively capable SS next season. That isn’t too much to ask for , is it?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 1:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt the best prediction over the short-term is any different from the best prediction from the long-term. There’s just a lot more noise.

by greenback06 on Aug 16, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not certain

The noise is certainly there, and it definitely makes it difficult to evaluate short-term causality. But motivation and other psychological factors unquestionably play a role too. So, again, let’s just take the short-term empirical evidence of Lopez’s performance and be happy with that, but avoid thinking that this will continue long-term.

Medium-term (i.e., rest of this year), I do think Lopez has value for two reasons:

1. He can credibly back-up four positions (2B, SS, 3B, and LF). So this offers more flexibility. The main value here is really providing a better backup than Miles at 3B. Of course this flexibility is largely wasted if we keep three other MIF’s on the roster.

2. He has more power than any of the other MIF’s. Did you know that Lopez’s HR rate per 162 games is almost as much as Miles, Kennedy, and Izturis combined. That’s 13 for Lopez vs. 4 for Miles, 8 for AK, and 2 for Iz.

Lopez is also only 28, so not expected to decline precipitously. All-in-all, not a bad candidate for a moderate rebound from the terrible performance he put up in WAS. Not that he’ll be great, mind you, but OK.

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lopez is a SS in name only

much as Miles is. They don’t belong at that position more than 1 or 2 games a year.

by azruavatar on Aug 16, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There isn’t any short-term empirical evidence. There are various ways to phrase the praise for Lopez, but it all boils down to a rate stat over a period of time when a rate stat doesn’t tell us anything (yes, I hate rate stats). Versus Brendan Ryan or Joe Mather he’s added something like one or two runs on offense, and he may well have given away half that on defense.

by greenback06 on Aug 16, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is true,

but let’s hope he saves his regression to the mean for another season and another team a la Abraham Nunez.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 16, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so if he goes 0-for-the-rest of the season

then what do we say? “Well if only we’d cut bait after the first 30 PAs.” It’s great that he’s had a couple nice hits but it doesn’t make him an asset in my book.

by azruavatar on Aug 16, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why are you so hard on this guy?

it reeks of bias to me

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just thought I'd point out

his numbers with the cards are pretty much in line(slightly higher) with his road numbers this year….

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more like 230

and the whole ’small sample size" thing has become a bit of a tired joke around here. We all get it.

The point is that he was horrible in Washington and was better than respectable everywhere else which is holding true.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's had 30 with the Cards though

How has “small sample size” become a tired joke around here? Just two nights ago, his OPS with the Cards was .699. Now it’s .900. Two nights from now, it could be back down to .699.

I really don’t think Lopez is as good as he’s been on the road this year, nor is he as bad as he was in Nationals Park. We can’t assume that he’s a .770 OPS guy just because he’s been freed from those confines. I hope he proves me wrong though.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First of all, i wasn't making a bold prediction or anything

I was just pointing out that his hitting away from D.C. has continued. Nothing more, nothing less.

And the “sample size” thing is a tired joke because we all get it. The days are pretty much long gone when someone will make big proclamations without considering sample size. Plus, often you get the “Sample Size Alert!!!” disclaimer when anything is of a small sample. Heck, we often make jokes about small sample sizes.

If I had started my post (which wasn’t really all that serious in the first place, other than noting that a trend was continuing) with something about sample size, would that have prevented this discussion? Even though you, me and about 95% of the people here get it?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

au contraire
Heck, we often make jokes about small sample sizes.

Someone on here the other night cited 13 PA’s as an adequate sample…I think Lopez was something like 5-13 against Anibal Sanchez, and whoever it was said it meant something.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 5:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I was just citing an example of how people still haven’t caught on. That’s all.

And don’t get me wrong, I’ve been pleased with Lopez’s past few games. It’s refreshing to see some speed out there. Still, I don’t think he’s much of an upgrade over what we already have.

I’d also question the significance of his home/road split this year. He was bad on the road last year. His home numbers this year are especially bizarre…and the split wasn’t as pronounced last year (I think it was like .640 to .680, or something).

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had a

testicular exam the other day, and my doctor kept complaining about small sample size…

I’m sorry…

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my gf

complains i have a small sample size…sigh. (example of a sample size joke)

by spencegrif on Aug 16, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW

Izturis is OPSing over 1.000 in his last 30 plate appearances.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Post-mortem equine sadism

Very nice… :-)

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Aug 16, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my b-r page

says .357/.400/.500 with the Cards. He has never come close to those numbers since little leagu.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 16, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not anything to do with Lopez

It’s the assessment of player based on 30PAs and stats that are outside their control that bother me. FLopez has a .455 BABIP. Yes he’s done well but should we laud him for good luck? And should even if we acknowledge that he’s produced the last few games (which I do) should we predict that moving forward? Probably not.

by azruavatar on Aug 16, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool

I was just thinking that you had something personal against him

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not to mention the cost

though somehow i don’t expect him to sign for a level anywhere close to his current contract

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by sportsman on Aug 18, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll see
Gust Avrakotos: There’s a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse… and everybody in the village says, “how wonderful. the boy got a horse” And the Zen master says, “we’ll see.” Two years later The boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, “how terrible.” And the Zen master says, “We’ll see.” Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight… except the boy can’t cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, “How wonderful.”
Charlie Wilson: Now the Zen master says, “We’ll see.”

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Echo the accolades for Thompson

I’ve always liked him better as a starter and think that he could be a serviceable fifth man in the rotation for most teams. Never understood why he’s the first man sent back to Memphis when there’s a roster crunch.
As far as Felipe goes it’s at least something to do. Little down side as we just lose Ryan’s services till September. His ’05 stats are sure intriguing.

by easy on Aug 16, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Losing Ryan's services is not a down side

He provides nothing to the team that Cesar Izturis doesn’t already provide.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 12:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, he sure made himself look expendable this year

I was really encouraged by his play last year, as his OPS+ from 2007 would be tops amongst our MIs this year. I was especially excited by his .863 OPS against LHPs last year. But man, he showed no pop this year and had an OPS of .343 with RISP. Maybe he can get something figured out at Memphis and still be a viable player.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 16, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone else notice Joe Straus consistently...

…gets minor facts wrong in his stories?

Today, in the wainwright piece , he said there was a chance he could start Friday against the Brewers (when we are playing the braves).

I know not a big deal, but for someone who has one of the coolest jobs in the world, you’d think he’d be a bit more careful and precise.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 16, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not gonna laud Lopez just yet

Everyone (even Adam Kennedy and Cesar Izturis) has a hot couple of weeks. If he sustains it for another three or four weeks, then I’ll be pleased. And you’re spot on about him taking away ABs from our OF. It should never happen, if anything it should be the other way around.

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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 16, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't have much of a problem with him taking away Skips at bats when there's a lefty on the bump

but now that Ank’s back, the outfield should be some combination of Ank, Mather, Ludwick against lefties.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 12:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

but I would like to see Barton get some ABs too. Maybe rest Ank once in a while against LHPs?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 16, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No LHP starters in the near future

from what I could tell it doesn’t look like there are any lefty starters on the horizon for the Reds/Pirates/Braves. I’d like to see him get a spot start against a RHP in one of the upcoming games. He’d have to replace Skip though not Ludwick.

by ubeddie on Aug 16, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then you're also replacing Mather

And as long as Ankiel is playing left field, I’m not too sure you’re going to see Barton in center.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There' still the problem of roster construction

why the heck do we have 4 middle infielders on the active roster? Seems absurd to me when you could call up a bat like Josh Phelps or some legs like Jon Jay — someone with a skill that isn’t well represented on the team rather than 4 of the same players.

by azruavatar on Aug 16, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are absolutely right..

There is absolutely no need for 4 MIF’s. This problem was created way back in spring training with the downfall of Scott Spezio. IIRC, this extra spot has usually gone to a guy who could play 1st or 3rd and a liffle OF. Guys like Craig Paquette and Eduardo Perez also come to mind. Phelps would be a huge bat to have off the bench with the game on the line.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A guy like David Freese...

would also make sense. He’s younger and COULD have more versatility if they started working him out at 1B and OF. Let’s face it, this guy won’t be a major league starter for the cardinals.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too early

IMO, it’s way to early to convert Freese to a utility role.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe...

but he’s already 25 and blocked for at least on more year…That’ll make him about 27 when he gets a chance to play 3B everyday in ‘10 and by then he’ll already be getting pushed out the door by Wallace (hopefully)

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not just Wallace

Craig is in AA banging on the door and I consider a better prospect than Freese

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 2:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep...forgot about him.

But yeah, I really don’t see converting Freese into a utility player such as Spezio or Paquette as detrimental to the organization in any way. I think its possible that Freese could be a ML 3B, just not for us and I don’t think his “star” is shining bright enough for another organization to give us something of equal value in a trade.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always wondered why there is not my minor league trading

Freese has no real place in this organization. Seems like some team could use a AAA 3B with potential

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He had a place when we traded for him

When we traded for him we weren’t sure if Craig was real and we didn’t have Wallace yet, now I think he might be more useful in a trade, but he is also a local kid so that might have something to do with keeping him.

by StLHugo on Aug 16, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ultimately...

I think Craig is more useful in a trade and Freese makes the better utility player. This is all assuming that Wallace is able to stick at 3rd and be ready in ‘10, but from what I’ve read that shouldn’t be too much of an issue.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 16, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lopez & OF

The situation where he recently played outfield was in place of Skip against a tough lefty. Skip isn’t exactly doing stellar work when facing lefites. The other three times were the first three games with the team. Ank was injured and Lopez played instead of Mather in two and Skip against another lefty. I attribute these starts to TLR finding out how he can use him, Ank being injured and facing two lefties. If Ankiel was healthy enough to play, then we wouldn’t have seen Lopez in the outfield.

The alternatives to having Lopez during the last two weeks was to keep Ryan, bring up someone new to the 40 man roster and DFA Kennedy or a pitcher. Mgmt chose not to start someone’s time on the 40 man roster for minimum playing time/stunted development and instead picked up someone who could play several positions (2B/3B/OF) at minimum cost and commitment.

Lopez isn’t going to be all star material. He isn’t being looked at as a long term solution to a starting position. The team needs players to fill out the roster who can fill several roles. He is doing that better than Ryan showed. Minor pickup to fill void and help out when rest is needed or injuries hit the team.

by ubeddie on Aug 16, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

options

Mather is a much better option in left than Lopez. Ditto Barton now that he’s up. My feeling is that TLR put Lopez in LF just because he can, and really there’s nothing wrong with that as a trial…though I wish that the Cards would mainly restrict these trials to the minor leagues or spring training instead of pennant races (and they do these trials pretty consistently in important games, e.g., Mulder, Carp, Izzy, Rolen and Edmonds in the past).

How about just putting Kennedy on waivers and giving him away if anyone claims him? Then either live with sub-par (but not egregiously bad) defense at 2B with Lopez and Miles, or bring up Ryan as a back up for SS and 2B? The latter seems like a no-brainer once rosters expand, and that’s only two weeks away.

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 1:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kennedy on waivers

it would surprise me if that already hasn’t happened. The crazier thing would be if someone actually did claim him

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 1:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree on Mather option

I believe that the use of Lopez was a two game trial to see what he could do if needed. In a perfect world the trials could be restricted to not impacting the pennant race. FWIW both games were wins when Lopez played instead of Mather. The team lost when both Mather and Lopez played. Barton was still on the dl at that point, which is a whole discussion in itself.

by ubeddie on Aug 16, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garcia and Perez

Now aren’t we glad that we didn’t give up either of these guys for the likes of a Ron Mahay or a Will Ohman?

For all of those pushing for a deadline deal: It would have been very foolish to trade guys like this who can help us not only this year but also for the next 6+ years for a rental player who might’ve pitched 30 innings for us. lboros was spot-on in his analysis of the prospects of dealing for a reliever. Way to go Mo for staying the course here! Also credit goes to Tony for suggesting they stay with Perez instead of trading him for a veteran (that was per the P-D, though I can’t find the link in their archive right now).

Now if only we can address the offensive hole in the middle of our infield in the off-season… (pun intended).

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perez and Garcia?

I wasn’t aware that either Perez or Garcia were considered by anyone here for either Mahay or Ohman?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not for Mahay or Ohman

but I think I remember seeing that the Rockies did want both of them for Fuentes.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am really, really happy they didn’t make THAT deal.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 1:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mo may take heat from some people

but my 10 year old niece wouldnt make that deal. Closer to be and Starter to be for FA to be? come on.

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, though I don't know

what the asking price was for those two in particular. Certainly, Fuentes was not worth the two of them. But I’m still in favor of moving one or more prospects for shutdown LOOGy in the offseason. Look, for example, what Rhodes did against us both times he game in in the series. Exactly what he was supposed to do: he got guys (RIck Ankiel twice?) out in key situations.

If we could find a lefthanded Troy Percival or a George Sherrill, I would be okay with that.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 12:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trades

Well, the Cards currently have a surplus of 5th-starter types and OF’s, and need INF’s and perhaps someone in the bullpen. So, given time, they should be able to trade from their surplus to meet their needs.

But bullpen arms are among the easiest to find, and remember that the reason a bunch of those lefties were available is that that they’ll be free agents this year. So we should really not have to give up a good prospect to meet this need. Given where we are, I can see overspending a bit in free agency on a good SS and LOOGY.

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Starting Pitching Aug 15 - Aug 29

Counting today, the Cards have 9 games and 4 days off in the next 13 days. I like how the SP is shaping up with using normal rest and all the days off should help the bullpen too.

  • Pineiro @ Reds – 8/16
  • Lohse @ Reds – 8/17
  • OFF
  • Looper v Pirates – 8/19
  • Welly v Pirates – 8/20
  • OFF
  • Lohse v Braves – 8/22
  • Looper v Braves – 8/23
  • Wainwight Comeback/Pineiro v Braves – 8/24
  • OFF
  • Welly v Brewers – 8/26
  • Lohse v Brewers – 8/27
  • OFF

by ubeddie on Aug 16, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Lopper

Braden’s new nickname…I like it. :)

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Aug 16, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and the next two days

the brewers have bush vs lowe and suppan vs kershaw. i like their chances of losing both of those games (though the brewers hit lefties well)… hopefully we’ll pick up at least one more game this week.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not here

I don’t think those trades were proposed here, though it was reported in the P-D that Mo specifically approached TLR with outside offers for Perez for some sort of immediate help, and Tony said to keep him. Similarly Garcia was discussed as part of a package for Fuentes. You can bet that lots of teams asked about both of these guys for various short-term rentals.

After the deadline Mo’s response was that they would use Garcia as their lefty reliever instead of trading for one. Very smart…I think that’s a good balance of short- and long-term needs, and doesn’t over-value veteran grittiness.

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wrong sub-thread

sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to the Perez/Garcia discussion.

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice To See Thompson Getting Props Here

Where were you guys last night when he was being trashed (mostly by one guy – who is extremely negative on almost all his comments) on the game thread? I was out, didn’t get home until the eighth inning and then scanned the posts to see what I missed. I couldn’t believe all that garbage on Thompson. Hey, he’s no all-star, but he’s young and he’s a lot better than the opinions given on VEB last night by a few sourpusses.

That same goes for Felipe Lopez but you read that above from the originator of this thread. I agree with him abut Lopez being best at second base….and he could fill in for Glaus here and there, too, couldn’t he? He seems very versatie and his attitude seems to be very good here. Obviously, TLR knew more about this guy than people were willing to admit.

Finally, Iz2 might be given some slack, too. He doesn’t seem to get much respect here on the VEB game threads. If – I repeat, IF, his offense can develop like Yadi’s, you’ll be glad the Cards hung on to him because the man can play defense with the best of ’em.

by ccthemovieman on Aug 16, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't expect offense from Iz2

He has been one of the worst batters in the league over the course of his career. So it’s unreasonable to expect him to get any better. He is what he is…a classic good-field, no-hit shortstop. I don’t think we have a better option right now, though Ryan could give you basically the same at much lower cost, and actually has some potential to improve.

by apack on Aug 16, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since Lopez signing

Iz2 has been hitting though no power. .410 BA and 5 steals in last 13 games is a nice change from .176 June and .221 July. Small sample size but I’ll enjoy it while it lasts.

by ubeddie on Aug 16, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity

is there any way Iz2 sneaks his way into being Type B free agent?

That question may be way off base, but for some reason his recent little hot(?) streak made it pop in my head.

I know, I know. I should just keep these types of silly thoughts to myself….

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no idea...

but that would be amazing to get a high pick as compensation.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just noticed something else

Iz2 is having an almost identical year to the season he had when he made the all-star game……….

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where is cardswinseries when we need him ;)

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think azru

lambasted him pretty good last time he showed up

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

the number 4 most similar batter through age 27 to Iz2 is Jose Oquendo…..number 9 is Jack Wilson…..

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem with offering Izturis arbitration

is that he might accept. Quelle horreur!

Since we know Kennedy won’t be DFAed and no one would trade for him, that means the only MI upgrade location is at short. Better leave that one open.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

Hadn’t thought that far ahead……

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I doubt he will be

A type B free agent but if he is than we don’t have to offer him arbitration. Type B FA"s don’t need to be offered arbitration to get the supplement pick.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and I'm back up!!!

got my fingers AND my toes crossed.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah i defended PK all night long

dont know how you missed that.

guess i’m not as important as i thought i was around here.

dont pay too much attention to recounter. he’s down on every one. it’s his thing. take it for what its worth

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 16, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re Perez' 'slider'

I don’t know what HE calls it, or what kind of pitch it really is, but Chris Welsh (former pitcher) on the Reds’ network last night referred to it as a “slider” continually, without qualification. Good enough for me.

by the Tewk on Aug 16, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Found a message from our dearly departed wcbw

left at HL’s website. Thought it would be nice to share with you all:

I’ve been reading your position on El Birdos. Your making good sense. My positions became too controversial for Larry so he accused me of being rude to his friends and suspended my writing privileges. Right! Kyle won’t be signed by the Cards, and it really has nothing to do with Scott Boras. I will crash that sight and give the facts after all is resolved. I have put as much information, along with some diversion of course, in my posts so if you get the premise, you can see whats happening. A family member was one of Bush seniors, bad boys. I won’t even go into that suffice to say I’m aware of the DeWhitted’s financing scams. No need to say more. You have a solid grasp of the game.

WestCoast

The Birdwatcher lives!

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's actually coherent

Is it just me, or is there a hint of Islamic fundamentalist in some of those remarks?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At the very least it needs an AK-47 in the background, maybe even an RPG for good measure

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Aug 16, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awww

Larry banned WCBW? Boo!

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Aug 16, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At first thought

Larry banned HL. I was like WTF is going on

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think he's banned..

but i’m pretty sure he left voluntarily

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hardcore legend is gone?

wow

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh

I rather enjoyed having a batshit crazy, conspiracy-theory spewing poster around here.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 5:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just to clarify

i did not ban Hardcore Legend; he left voluntarily. i did ban westcoastbirdwatcher, for a whole host of reasons but primarily because he was using the site to drive a personal agenda. while WCBW was not kyle lohse’s agent, he is very close to kyle; he cares more about the size of kyle lohse’s next contract than he does about the overall health of the cardinal organization. that explains WCBW’s sinister theories about the cardinal organization and his various other rantings and ravings - lohse remains unsigned, and WCBW feels the organization hasn’t treated kyle fairly.

when i kicked him off, i told him it was for two reasons: a, because he’s abusing the site by trying - anonymously -- to drive a personal agenda here; and b, because when people challenge him he cops a condescending tone that quite a few people found offensive.

i tried very hard to keep him in the community, but in the end he doesn’t care about this community, nor about the cardinals in general. he just cares about kyle lohse. i have nothing at all against kyle lohse -- i hope he gets a big fat contract from somebody -- but WCBW wore out his welcome here.

by lboros on Aug 16, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i am sad to see Hardcore leave

he is one of the few that was here when I joined..he was usually level headed,however had noticed this season his posting seemed to change..more negative and not as fun as he used to be..sad.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Aug 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am too

I figured what had happened.

Being a somewhat long time poster here, you tend to understand each others personalities. While I deep down knew why HL left, I thought assumed it was more imposed by his own ego (and that’s unfortunate). I really liked his posts and respected what he had to say. I didn’t always agree with him but I always understood his passion.

Whether or not its Hardcore Legend or some other poster, this site definitely needs someone who thinks independently of the common thought. I believe two trends of thought are welcome here even though this site has an obvious slant towards stats. There is an even ground. It’s not all stats and it’s not all old school and i think the majority of us can agree to that.

I, for one, am saddened to see Hardcore Legend go. I know he left of his own admission but I honestly hope he’ll reconsider. I, for one, wouldn’t care if he came back and I’m sure a lot of others would agree.

As far as I’m concerned (and I’m sure I’m speaking for a vast majority of other posters), I would welcome Hardcore back. I’ve had disagreements with him in the past, but really didn’t mind since I always respected his opinion and passion.

Anyway, here’s to Viva El Birdos! It might just be an online community to some, but I know I appreciate being able to talk on a daily basis about something I am passionate about (the Cardinals) with people who share the same passion i have. I know we often butt heads from time to time, but when it all boils down we all have the same agenda.

Who else can say they spend time on a daily basis talking about their passion?

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 17, 2008 2:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks!

I needed a little news of the weird right now. didn’t know wcbw was banned, it seemed that lboras was at least amused by the guy. although he does seem to leave some veiled threats that are a little creepy

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WCBW got banned? he said he was suspended, not banned.

aren’t those two different things?

HL’s has a web site? i didn’t know that. any one have a link?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 16, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Click his icon on the sidebar

He collects old videos of baseball games.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh i thought it was a site other than the one in his sig

i’ve checked that one out a bunch of time

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 16, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose suspended is the proper nomenclature

didn’t mean to confuse the facts. I’m sure he can still read the site.

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 17, 2008 3:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

never seen so many parenthetical musings!

this is my favorite paragraph:

By the way, speaking of analog tape, did everyone here (or anyone here), know that the Large Hadron Collider over in Europe is going to be recording all of its data on magnetic tape? Apparently, CERN (the body that governs experimental atomic stuff, apparently), has decided that’s the most cost effective and safe way to store miles and miles worth of numeric data. Who knew? As a fan of pretty much any kind of dead end technology (you guys want to come over and watch my copy of Army of Darkness on Laserdisc? I’ve got Akira, too!), I cannot tell you how excited I was to read this little tidbit.

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mainly because

I’m a huge dork over anything to do with the Large Hadron Collider and Army of Darkness

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still remember the big deal with laser disc

Was watching ’Raiders of the Lost Ark" in the scene where he was face to face with the Cobra. You could see the piece of glass between them

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my constantly beer drinking neighbor as a kid

had a laser disc player. also, musician/weirdo Mike Patton is a laser disc aficionado

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

notables

at the risk of being redundant (haven’t read today’s comments), I find these things of interest:

Ankiel hit a home run last night!
Brad Thompson is underrated
Brian Barton is back!
Carpenter is on the DL (frowny face)

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahhhhhhh

Just have to get something off my chest. I got a customer of mine that has been telling me forever they want to make them to a brochure flyer but never gave me anything to work with. Than finally gives me something to work yesterday and now wants it to be done by tonight.

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now that's retarded

and one of the reason’s why I don’t really like doing graphic design for people other than myself.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its nice to have supplemental income

Also all my work comes from word of mouth. So many try to force me get me to try do it their way. I pretty much tell them to give me a basic outline with too much info and just leave me alone for a week. They try force down their crappy design ideas to me. SILENCE!!!

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On BBTN last night, they mentioned Jimmy Rollins...

has shot himself in the foot in Philly, because he called the Phillie Phaithphul phront runner fans, and the reaction was already vitriolic. They also mentioned that there’s no way he could last in Philly now that the fan base has soured on him (much like the Rolen situation), and they looked for him to be moved in the off-season.

Any chance at all the Cards would make a run for him? At all?

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on Aug 16, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

i dont have any kids, but Philly can have one of my nephews. the 3 yr old will be a hell of a catcher or offensive linemen one day.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 16, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmm...

I guess we aren’t going to be able to get him for Polanco, Timlin, and Bud Smith….Maybe Miles, Franklin, and Boggs? Seriously, though, I’d give up anything to get him, would the cards be better served to wait till he’s a free agent?

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's under contract through 2010

with a club option for 2011.

Plus, if any team traded for him, there might be a good chance he signed an extension with him.

Question: DON’T FREAK OUT!!!

Would you trade Colby Rasmus straight up for him?

We seem to have a ton of outfielders in the system (pretty good one’s too), but as we all know there’s a bit of a shortage of middle infielders (especially shortstops) not only in our organization, but the entire major leagues.

Problem is, he’ll be 30 at the start of next year (didn’t realize he was this old).

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No to Rasmus

Maybe Brandon Wood though in the Angels system. That guy mashes and he is also young

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would never trade Rasmus for Wood.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Wood is older and has zero plate discipline and may not be able to play SS long if at all. Rasmus is young and a known quantity in the field and at the plate he has a clue.

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 4:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not straight up

but if they threw in Adenhardt(sp?), who they are down on, I might consider it. With all of our outfield depth I don’t think it would cripple the org to lose Colby if we got the right pieces back i.e. A young talented MIF.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Aug 16, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I just dont consider Wood talented as opposed to Rasmus whom I do consider multi-talented.

Wood’s intriguing but he’s not exactly waiting behind David Wright and Jose Reyes on the left side. I just see a lot more risk with young power bats as opposed to young polished bats.

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My fear is that if we trade Rasmus

we are over a barrel with Ankiel and Boras. If we keep Rasmus, we have leverage with Ankiel. Maybe we could sign Ankiel first, then trade Rasmus for Rollins. Don’t suppose they would want Kennedy, too, do you?

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Negative

Rollins has a career 98 OPS+. Congrats that he fooled the writers into an MVP but he’s not an elite player outside of 2007.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Aug 16, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feliz is 33

And has a .290 career OBP. I’ll pass!

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gotta give to get. He won't be there forever. Maybe a year and you move up Freese or Craig

to hold the spot until Wallace is ready. Or you get a FA at a spot that’s a lot deeper than SS. It solves the top of the order

Rollins or Rasmus
Rasmus or Rollins
Pujols
Ludwick
Ankiel
Yadi
Feliz
2B

Or if Mather can really play 3B (which I question) put Craig or Freese and another player in the deal for Mather.

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feliz

you could think about playing him at SS and moving Rollins to 2B – im not saying it would work or that either player would agree to switch but its an option. Then getting a proper stick to play 3B or trying Mather there. The point is that if you can add a plus offenisive player in the MIF it can completely transform your lineup and multiply your offensive production as opposed to simple addition. Especially with our current roster construction you have to consider anything that boosts your production up the middle.

Albert blocks any upgrades at 1B.
Yadi does the same at catcher.
CF is going to Rasmus.
Ludwick is now going to be a fixture in LF.
Ankiel takes RF.

That leaves you 3 spots to upgrade – 3B, SS and 2B. If the opportunity is there to upgrade at one or more of those spots you have to consider it.

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see

Lots of ifs there, but I get your point.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cardinals really aren't competitive in big name free-agent

competitions. Izzy…and who else have we signed in the past 10 years?

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tino Martinez

oh….

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beat me to it..

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then I'll give you Juan

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good point.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 16, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This brings up a good question....

What is the most the cards have ever spent on a free-agent from outside of the organization?

Izzy – 32 mill/4 yrs
Gant – 25/5
Tino- 21/3
Juan E – 15/3
Loop – 14/3
Eckstein – 10/3
Kennedy – 10/3
Suppan – 8/2
Wells – 4/1

These are the ones that came to me off the top of my head…who am I forgetting?

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But we didn't win him in an auction

We got him in a stealthy trade, which is my point. The Cards just don’t do well in head-to-head competition for free agents. Maybe this will change, but I doubt it.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 6:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im quite sure that there were other teams petitioning for rolen

i think it has been more of a front office m.o. that drove them to target available talent through trades as opposed to free agency. that hardly means they havent done well in competition for available talent.

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The team hasn't been too shy ...

about giving money to players already on the roster….Big Mac, Edmonds, Rolen, Carpenter, Morris, Mulder, Molina, Wainwright, and Pujols all signed pretty large deals, but were all already on the team at the time.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 16, 2008 6:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree/Disagree

Dr. Dog – Right on! Love ‘em. They’re a band that is about to break and they really deserve it. They’ve been consistently great for a long time, and they do their own thing.

Gentleman Auction House – Not so much. They’re a band who may break in some small capacity (open for real bands till they break up) but only because they are carbon copies of other bands that are already popular right now (most notably the exact ones mentioned in the above post). Overrated as hell.

C.C. Sabathia, Rich Harden................Felipe Lopez.

by rowboat on Aug 16, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on the Perez slider...

a couple of those looked liked the slider that Lidge throws. He threw a couple in one of the Marlins games that got by LaRue I believe that was just filthy. If he can start throwing that type of an out pitch – yikes !!

by rlgosnell on Aug 16, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's exactly what I thought

doesn’t lidge’s slider drop off the table like that?

by jeff_abs on Aug 16, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I try not to think about Lidge's slider.

Except for the one that bounced off the glass in Houston. Otherwise, too many painful memories.

by fuegophil on Aug 16, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's funny, really

I look back on the ‘05 NLCS, and I forget that the Cards lost, all because of that homer. I’m sure things would be different though if the Astros hadn’t been swept under the rug in the World Series.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i thought it broke threw the glass?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Aug 16, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I kind of thought the same thing too

No wonder gameday was calling them sinkers, according to some other posters.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't see a game thread yet

here’s the lineups per Yahoo:

Cards

S. Schumaker cf
R. Ludwick rf
A. Pujols 1b
R. Ankiel lf
T. Glaus 3b
F. Lopez ss
Y. Molina c
J. Pineiro p
A. Miles 2b

Cincinnati

C. Dickerson lf
J. Hairston Jr. ss
J. Bruce rf
B. Phillips 2b
J. Valentin 1b
J. Keppinger 3b
C. Patterson cf
R. Hanigan c
A. Harang p

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Aug 16, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rick is in LF

not because he is hurt, but because they’re prepping him for next year when colby will be in CF

by Glowsticks on Aug 16, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or

later this season if you listen to him in the PD article on his rehab from a day or two ago. sounded like wishful thinking though

by spencegrif on Aug 16, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm watching the cubs pregame show

and they make the team seem like it is some kind of storied franchise. the ernie banks quote was really inane: “what’s ironic is that the cubs colors are red, white and blue, making them America’s team”

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so that's why the Braves are America's team too

who knew it was all about the uniforms…doesn’t that make the Twins America’s team too, too?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Judging by the stupid

clothing the fans here wear, they could be Jamaica’s team, China’s team, India’s team…

by Red in Chicago on Aug 16, 2008 7:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus

what’s ironic about that?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 16, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ernie must not have a grasp on irony

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

Al just called Aaron Harang “Adam Harang.”

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

everyone has to drink

every time Al calls him that

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Aug 16, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm in!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, and

I’ll drink every time Dan goes bonkers over a routine fly ball.

by jdub176 on Aug 16, 2008 7:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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