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Game 124 Open Thread: August 14 2008

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St. Louis Cardinals @ Florida Marlins


Wellemeyer Olsen
9-4, 4.01 6-7, 4.04

the weekend sets up nicely for the cardinals. while they're playing a trade-depleted last-place team, the brew crew will send the rump of their rotation against the dodgers' top pitchers (billingsley, lowe, kershaw). and milwaukee has to face jake peavy tonight. so the cards have a decent opportunity to shave the gap by a game or two before they meet the brewers head-on in st. louis. make it happen, fellahs.

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need a win...

Mather, 8
Ludwick, 9
Pujols, 3
Glaus, 5
Molina, 2
Lopez, 7
Miles, 4
Wellemeyer, 1
Izturis, 6

-B

also washburn rumors are being denied

Lastly….THE BREWERS ALREADY LOST TODAY…..Finally..Thank you Jake Peavy

The wind in here just shifted 360 degrees!!!
-Mike Shannon

by cardsphan04 on Aug 14, 2008 6:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Brew Crew

We are 3.5 games back heading into tonight. A win, and we are 3 games back tomorrow morning, the first day of the three-game series versus the sinking Reds, as LB noted. We need The Colonel tonight because Lord knows the horrid 6-7-8-9 punch of Lopez, Miles, Colonel, and Izturis will be detrimental to our offensive efforts this evening in south Florida.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 6:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That is not really that bad of a bottom of a lineup right now

So far Lopez has been productive but not great, Miles has no power but is still hitting over 300, The pitcher is bad at hitting yeah but that is normal, and Izturis is batting about 400 for august

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

has flopez

actually driven even one pitch? what i’ve seen is just a bigger slapper vis a vis the grit

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the triple was well hit last night

but very well placed

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 14, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's hit quite a few line drives

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For the year, or by month?

Miles is hitting .250/ .276/ .250 for August. Ahhh, fun with small sample sizes. Flopez with the Cards has been equal to AK’s production for the year, which is not productive.

Kennedy: .273/ .316/ .336 (in 271 AB)
FLopez: .286/ .318/ .381 (in 21 AB)

If we go with season-long stats then Miles isn’t so bad of an insert (unless you fear he is now regressing to his below average mean) while Izturis and Flopez are black holes. That said, Izturis has been good versus lefties at .319/ .384/ .389, which is about the only thing that merits his being handed a bat.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Forgot to hit reply

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good point on Miles

He obviously has been struggling of late. But as far as Lopez goes, he has much better tools than Kennedy, more speed and a little more power even though we have not seen it yet.

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that being said, I do not like him in left

I would rather take my chances with Ankiel in the lineup

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lopez should never play in LF

Ever. That is the scissor function on his utility knife that won’t even cut tissue paper.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No-one has posted
Baseball-related Haiku.
Someone should fix this.

by notmorganfreeman on Aug 14, 2008 7:12 PM EDT   0 recs

does it have to have more than just the word baseball in it

to be baseball related?

Fear of righty bats
Chase Marlins southpaw
A sweep shall sweeten

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 14, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No sweep

3 out of four

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 14, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

damn my memory

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Aug 14, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cubs have won 7 straight road games

Maybe that whole “they can’t win on the road” thing is overblown

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 14, 2008 7:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Or maybe...

They’re playing terrible teams. I still think they’d better build an even bigger cushion because September is going to be rough on them.

by mattisnotfrench on Aug 14, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Four against the Brewers, two against the Braves, one against the D-Backs

Only 2/7 against “terrible teams”

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 14, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough...

They’re also really hot right now though. I’m amazed how big an impact Soriano has on their lineup…he’s been everything to that team this year.

by mattisnotfrench on Aug 14, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or

the braves having a strangle hold at home isn’t so true any longer. think it’s more about the quality of talent than anything else. however, they do have enough power not to need wrigley to do it’s job, but it sure helps

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 14, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

See above about the distribution of the teams they've played in this 7-game streak

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 14, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm not saying the brew suck

but it’s fair to say that the cubs have a level of talent well and above the brew. on almost all facets of the game. and being up in Mil is a treat for them.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 14, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well let me retort

By record, the Brewers are the second-best team in the NL. If the Cubs are a level of talent above the Brewers, doesn’t that prove my original point that their road woes are overblown?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 14, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

for the most part

I’m just saying that the Brew have used the home field advantage quite a bit this year, and that home field advantage happens to strike a chord with the cubbies as well.

if the cubs went to houston, or cinci and belted out some wins, would that be a true talent issue, or the home park serving up to a powerful visitor?

part of it has to be the latter.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 14, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

It’s not like Houston and Cincy are bandboxes just for the visitors. Just as Wrigley isn’t a minipark just for the Cubs.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 14, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

Milwaukee is like a home game for the Cubs, as much as it pains me to say so.

by mattisnotfrench on Aug 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the leadoff guy working the count

its been a while

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Aug 14, 2008 7:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Albert needs a day off

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's got 4 coming up

Aug 18, 21, 25, 28.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There are just certain pitchers that I really don't like

Obviously Brandon Backe comes to mind for obvious reasons, but Scott Olsen is right up there. Talk about an ass hat. Not only did Girardi kick his ass a couple of years ago for being a tool box, but Sergio Mitre did it last year because Olsen was going out of his way to treat the clubhouse attendant like shit (he was throwing his dirty underwear, socks and jocks and screaming at the attendant to pick it up).

Some guys just deserve an ass beatin’, and tonight would be fine enough for me for another one.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Thank you for that

I had no idea about Olsen and the clubhouse attendant. What a prick. What sort of sad human being has to treat other people like that? Hopefully karma is full force this evening.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What kind of person?

A hothead w/ a drinking problem.

Even with the rest belated, everything is antiquated
Are you writing from the heart?
Are you writing from the heart?

by Alxfritz on Aug 14, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Unbelievable
…he was arrested by Aventura, Florida police after refusing to pull over for being clocked at 48 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. He fled for about a mile, at which point he stopped at his home and sat in a plastic chair in the front yard. When police arrived and tried to arrest him, he kicked at the officers who then used a taser to subdue him. Olsen failed a field sobriety test and refused a breath test. He was booked on charges of driving under the influence, resisting arrest with violence, and fleeing and eluding a police officer.

He’s clearly troubled.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't tase me bro.

(Is that one old yet?)

by liam on Aug 14, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

never

as much as i felt bad for that guy, that’s one of the funniest things ever said. Wasn’t the officer he said that to a woman, too?

Btw, saw a guy get tased on Cheaters once. Hilarity!

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Timeless

:-)

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Aug 14, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah, TLR is a lawyer...

He wouldn’t fight the cops…he’d rather try and beat it in court…. ;-)

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Aug 14, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There are not too many people on here tonight it seems

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT   0 recs

hey, your comment actually echoed here!

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 14, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I bet

Wonder why there has not been as much posting the last two days

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

earlier start time?

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 14, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

our attendence may be correlated to the attendence of the team we're visiting.

therefore numbers will be scarce.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Aug 14, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1st Inning for Col. Wellemeyer

12 strikes and 3 balls. Not bad at all.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:26 PM EDT   0 recs

the only slider he threw

got hit for a bloop single, but that’s not bad

he seems to be using the slider more once he faces guys for a second time

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 14, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Save it until the second or third time through their lineup.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Glaus hot streak here we come

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How much has his cleanup average gone up with that shot?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate when players dont run after they hit the ball

there is just no excuse. and you look like an idiot when there is an error

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:30 PM EDT   0 recs

especially when he flies out there to

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

shit

yadi could have set us up for a run

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2008 7:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Morning from Thailand. Nice start by Col and Glaus. Where are the others?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Aug 14, 2008 7:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Miles

makes Olson look bad.

Excellent.

by liam on Aug 14, 2008 7:32 PM EDT   0 recs

do not like that from miles

When the time comes for me to not be bothered by losing that is when I know it is time to retire my fandom

by ANDYAK47 on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

really? olsen looked glaus back

whats the point of bringing up welley?

by FunkeeC on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

bunting in front of the pticher

yeah he reached, but now the run won’t score.

SMART!

by TheBirds on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION GRIT!!!

HE NEVER MAKES MENTAL ERRORS AND PLAYS THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY!!!!

(j/k)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wtf

kind of play was that? did stan musial slip into welleys uni for this at bat?

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT   0 recs

apparently not

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 14, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or maybe the 80+ old version did

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 14, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

can't beat that gritty play

even if you’re 80+

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow...

almost as baffling as skip’s attempt at wrigley in a tie game with a 2-0 count in extra innings..

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT   0 recs

yeah, stupid bunt

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On Gameday

How’d that bunt work out?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT   0 recs

good for miles' average...

bad for the cardinals’ scoring chance…

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 14, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dumber than dumb

I didn’t even realize Wellemeyer was coming up. Miles should be pulled for that act of idiocy. If it was TLR’s call, then he has officially gone insane.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Up the third base line

but not past the pitcher. Olsen couldn’t field it, though.

by liam on Aug 14, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BUT

(and it is a big, hence the all caps), the pitcher was on-deck, meaning that he sacrificed an RBI opportunity with the bunt and brought up the pitcher to have an RBI at-bat instead.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

another

pitcher bats 8 triumph of strategy

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Aug 14, 2008 7:34 PM EDT   0 recs

pujols shall scoff at thee...

when he hits a grand slam in the 3rd…

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 14, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

gotta blame Miles for that one

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Aug 14, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs