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bravo for braden

time to give braden looper a little love. he had a very difficult month of may ---- 5 starts, 6.37 era, capped off by an 8-run pounding administered by the astros at busch III. that was his 11th start of the year, and it left his era at 5.05; opposing hitters were batting .304 against him on the season. we all looked forward to the day when chris carpenter, matt clement, maybe even mark mulder or anthony reyes would replace him in the rotation.

but in his 14 starts since june 1, looper has compiled a 3.35 era. that leads the staff. on the year as a whole he has allowed 3 runs or fewer in 17 of his 24 starts, or 71 percent; that’s second on the staff, behind lohse (73 percent). is this sustainable? i would tend to think not, although i can’t cite a specific reason why ---- looper’s BABIP is normal (.289, almost right at his career avg of .291), as are his batted-ball data; his strand rate (75 percent) is only a couple points higher than his career norm. it’s just hard for a vanilla pitch-to-contacter to remain ahead of the curve for very long. looper does avoid walks and keeps the ball on the ground, but he gives up too many hits (especially the extra-base kind) and doesn’t strike enough people out; sooner or later the balls start dropping in for hits. but whatever you think of him, looper has had a nice run of results stretching back almost three months; even if he regresses (as we should expect), the guy deserves some credit for keeping the cards’ season relevant. since wainwright and welley went down, he has gone at least 7 innings in 7 of 13 starts, which is the same ratio as kyle lohse; he pitched very well in both of his recent matchups against the cubs and brewers. he’s never going to pitch the cards to a championship, but he’s also not going to pitch them into the cellar. he’s a perfect fit for this year’s squad --- a hang-in-there pitcher for a hang-in-there team. he embodies all of the 2008 cardinals’ traits: ie, a broad base of competencies, a number of glaring limitations, and no real standout skill.

if that sounds like criticism, it’s not meant to be. braden looper, my hat’s off to ya.

hats off, too, to chris perez, who is clearly no fun to hit against. since his recall last week, he has faced 20 batters and given up 1 hit, a single. batters have swung and missed against him almost twice as often (14 times) as they have put the ball in play (8 times). overall this year, big-league opponents are batting .220 against him. last night he did it almost exclusively with his fastball --- threw it 27 times out of 33 pitches --- but two of the strikeouts (including the guy who reached base on the wp) came off the slider. he’s gonna walk some guys, but there is little doubt about who will be closing games the rest of the year ---- especially now that wainwright’s rehab regimen has been re-calibrated for a rotation role. that’s where it should have been all along, and that’s where it should stay --- regardless of what happens with carpenter. the suggestion is out there that wainwright might be shifted back yet again if (and it gets iffier by the day) carpenter proves able to pitch; i think it’s a mistake to treat important pitcher like wainwright as a utility piece. you might yank brad thompson around that way; you don’t do it to someone like wainwright. you figure out where wainwright helps you the most, and you fill the other pieces in around him.

a few quick items, and then i gotta wrap up the post and run off to a (zzzzzzz) breakfast meeting:

  • looper’s 2 hits last night raised his batting average to .298. that’s 3d in the league among pitchers (minimum 25 at-bats), behind zambrano and brandon backe.
  • in his olympic debut, brian barden went 3 for 4 w/ a double, rbi, and run in an 8-7 loss to south korea; last night (or yesterday; or tomorrow; whatever it is) he went 0 for 5 as the usa pounded the netherlands, 7-0.
  • jess todd made his triple A debut last night and did very well: 4 hits, 1 run in 6.2 innings. he struck out 6 and got 10 groundball outs; the run came on a solo homer in the 7th inning.
  • another intriguing pitcher, deryk hooker, debuted for quad cities and gave up a run on 5 hits in 5 innings. hooker impressed mightily last year in rookie ball and the instructional league; he got off to a slow start this spring, but in his last 33 innings at johnson city he gave up just 4 runs while striking out 44. he's big and lanky and only 19 years old; definitely a guy to keep your eye on. quad cities rallied for 5 in the 9th to win the game.
  • updates on a couple draftees with local ties: aaron crow took the luke hochevar route and signed with an independent-league team, the fort-worth cats; he’d been drafted by washington. and tim melville, who dropped all the way to the 4th round because nobody thought they’d be able to sign him, looks ready to ink a deal with the royals.
  • another nice outing by anthony reyes last night for cleveland --- 6 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs.

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Good Luck to:

Barden in the Olympics, I want to see him come back with a new piece of metal
Reyes for Cleveland, I hope he becomes a great MLB pitcher I like him regardless of teams but I am glad we don’t have to hear about him vs Dunc that often anymore
Looper in the Silver Slugger award, he may not have the “power” stats but he sure has handled the bat pretty well.

by StLHugo on Aug 14, 2008 8:33 AM EDT   0 recs

I watched that game....

U.S. vs. South Korea and it really seemed like Barden was always on base lol he played really well, too bad their closer blew the game in the 9th……………

"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe

by Calhoun on Aug 14, 2008 10:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

heh

I misread this at first and thought it said Good Luck to: Braden in the Olympics

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 14, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looper

I was totally going to post something about Looper today, but now I don’t have to put nearly as much time, effort, or thought in to it. (I know, great way to start your post, right?)

Anyway, Looper’s line in his last five starts is this:
5 games, 2-2 record, 33 Innings (6.6 per start), 28 hits, 6 walks (1.030 WHIP), 20 strikeouts, 2.18 ERA (9R, 8ER), 64% of his pitches have gone for strikes.

The thing I do not like is that 10 of the 28 hits have gone for extra bases. I do not know, percentage-wise, if that is normal. He has given up 5 homers, 4 doubles, and a triple in 5 games, though. I’m guessing that if a few of those were strung together that the ERA and innings per start would be much higher and lower, respectively.

Seeing all these statistics, like lboros above, I still do not have complete confidence that these performances can be sustained. For some reason, I just think (every time out) that Looper is a time bomb, ticking, ticking, ticking…waiting to go off.

Let’s all hope that Looper, much like Albert’s elbow, are time bombs that have LONG fuses that last much longer than their playing days. :)

by stlfan on Aug 14, 2008 8:45 AM EDT   0 recs

he's always going to have a bad game now and then

because he just doesn’t have the talent that some pitchers do. but the guy is a true competitor, and that is sometimes a hard thing to come by.

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 14, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

TLR loves Young Pitcher now...and he DOES know his name
“That was a grinder,” manager Tony La Russa said. “Perez showed great composure. He didn’t faint. … Looper pitched well again, and this time he got rewarded.”
.......

“You’re looking how he acts,” La Russa said of grading his rookie reliever. “He came into a situation that is hard, veterans can get distracted and you let it get away. He didn’t get distracted. He didn’t get negative. Good signs.”

Does he now not like veterans and their tendency to get distracted? Huh?

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 14, 2008 8:45 AM EDT   0 recs

Ah, crap

calling him “young pitcher” was pretty entertaining.

I’m excited about hooker.

(just wanted to see how that looks. Yep, awkward.)

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by Alxfritz on Aug 14, 2008 8:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There's just too many marketing possibilities to fathom with that last name.

Unfortunately, none of them are family appropriate…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 14, 2008 9:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe resurrect William Shatner's

TJ Hooker character, heh.

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 14, 2008 12:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How worried

should we be about having having a hooker on the same team as Jon Edwards? The guy doesn’t need any temptation in his life right now.

I’m not getting my hopes up but there has been a Josh Kinney sighting.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Aug 14, 2008 9:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Young Pitcher"

It was such a wonderful nickname. Hopefully, TLR resurrects it during a post-game interview. And, I’m sorry, but “He didn’t faint.” Has a reliever ever fainted during an appearance? I know Izzy and Franklin have been bad, but fainting? That is a strange choice of words.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 10:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Izzy may have needed

a fainting couch at one point… But no, I’ve never seen a reliever faint—only the fans watching him warm up to close.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 14, 2008 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I love this

From the same P-D recap:

Two runners reached in the ninth, including one on a wild pitch after he struck out, but Perez coolly collected his three outs. Then, after his 33rd pitch got his fifth out, he tossed the game ball to a little girl wearing Cardinals gear.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 10:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A tough dude with a warm heart

It’s like Pride of the Yankees all over again. I think ditching the beard is what’s helped him, actually. Tough guys don’t need to hide behind facial hair.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 14, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

huh

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 14, 2008 12:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A bit of a telling stat for Reyes

0 K’s last night. For a guy who is supposed to be a strike out pitcher when pitching “his way”, that is pretty ugly.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Aug 14, 2008 8:53 AM EDT   0 recs

Also, 2 runs in 6 innings

I appreciate your point, but you have to admit the bottom line’s looking pretty good.

by mojowo11 on Aug 14, 2008 9:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How many swings-and-misses?

If he is getting swings-and-misses, the strikeouts will come.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 14, 2008 10:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

DIPS me baby one more time

Don’t know what the velo was last night but he was 85-91 his first time out. Good luck Anthony…

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Aug 14, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What strikes me as interesting about Looper

is that we’ve spent 2 years saying that “what he’s doing isn’t sustainable.”

Is he the Aaron Miles of the pitching staff?

by sdrone on Aug 14, 2008 8:58 AM EDT   0 recs

2 years?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but his performance from the first half last year wasn’t sustainable, he ended up with a 4.94 ERA on the season and got pummelled in a number of starts in August and September. He was horrible for an entire month this season (May) and has pitched well since. The reason most of us think this is unsustainable is that he’s not doing anything markably different than his career norms, but his ERA and WHIP are down. His FIP isn’t fabulous either, and it’s a much better statistic to measure pitcher’s effectiveness.

He’s been great the last 2 1/2 months, but at some point all those base hits (and XBH) are going to come in one inning and the opposition is going to put up some very crooked numbers.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 14, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't he get hurt near the end of last year?

I think he had a little elbow discomfort…..might account for some of his August/September struggles. Plus the whole innings thing.

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by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think last year was a case of Looper being hurt

He was just tired. It was his first full season as a starter. He’s got more stamina and can pace himself better now.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 14, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

An honest question

When you refer to his “career norms” how viable is that, considering the whole reliever-to-starter conversion?

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's still viable

when you compare his year last year, when he had a 4.94 ERA and FIP above 5.00, with his year this year. Even though he’s moving into a starting role, his BABIP probably isn’t going to change since he’s still really just a 2 pitch pitcher like he was in the bullpen. He gave up a ton of XBH last year and that has continued this season.

My point was that if you compare everything he’s done this year to what he’s done in the bullpen and what he did last year, he’s really not a better pitcher, just one that seems to scatter hits rather than have them come all at one time.

That being said, he’s been pretty good this season since June, even if stats can’t explain why. I’m just not sure that he’s a guy who’s going to be able to sustain his last two months into the long term, because the rate stats aren’t in his favor.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait a minute

I think there’s a TON of value in being able to “scatter hits rather than have them come all at one time.”

You give up 6 hits in a row and you probably exit the game after giving up 3-4 runs. You give up 6 hits over 7 innings and you very well might be unscored upon.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree

but i think the question is whether we’re seeing an actual ability to scatter hit or merely the accidental scattering of hits. is looper doing something effectively to cause this to happen, or is it merely happening and could reverse at any time?

by mattybobo on Aug 14, 2008 1:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ditto.

See Reyes, Anthony.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 14, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Except that

Even when you “scatter” hits of the Extra Base variety, you tend to get scored upon. With an XBH in the inning (assuming it’s not the auto-scoring HR kind), you can often still score without any additional hits needed (such as advancing them on a ground out, scoring them on a sacrifice fly, or driving in an RBI with a previous BB already on base, etc.)

Setting aside the argument over whether “scattering” hits is a skill versus luck, with Looper’s tendency to give up XBH, I think his lower than usual ERA is more likely to be a phantasmal gift rather than an expected result.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 14, 2008 5:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

last year he was a below average pitcher. This year, he has run off a number of very good starts just to get back to being barely above league average. The real determinant will be in how he finishes the season.

As far as the Aaron Miles comparisons go, I think Looper is at a higher level. In spite of the fact that Miles is having his best season in terms of average, OBP, and SLG, he is 12th among NL second sackers in OBP and 15th in SLG. The .308 average ranks him 3rd, but for a guy like Miles who doesn’t really produce runs the key stat would have to be OBP – and his career best just isn’t very good. The only 2B in the division that isn’t better than him is Freddy Sanchez and he is playing hurt. I’ll take my hat off to Miles for having a good year, but the only way he looks like a good offensive player is if we compare him to the rest of the feckless MIs on the roster

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 14, 2008 9:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Aaron Miles

Aaron Miles is the Aaron Miles of the pitching staff.

by spencegrif on Aug 14, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just read this

and thought you guys might be interested, if you havn’t seen it already.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Major-League-Baseball-s-25-Most-Improbable-Succe?urn=mlb,100474

Jeff Passan put out a list of the 25 most improbable success stories this year and of those, Ankiel is only number 5 and Ryan Ludwick was left off. I might be bias, but I think this draft needs some editing.

Livan Hernandez is on the list – how is that considered a success story?

by cbsnyder on Aug 14, 2008 9:00 AM EDT   0 recs

so the comma in the url is messing up the link – i don’t spend enough time posting here to fix it so just copy it all and paste – or if someone wants to help out – i would appreciate it

by cbsnyder on Aug 14, 2008 9:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

After reading that I noticed one thing

Ludwick should be on that list, no questions about it. The absence of him is mind boggling since he has overcome more than some of the ones on that list

by StLHugo on Aug 14, 2008 9:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

the guy should be fired for leaving Ludwick off the list. talk about false reporting

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 14, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're being a bit misleading

It’s a list of guys who are in the majors improbably, not restricted to this year.

Obviously guys like Livan wouldn’t be on the list if it was just this year. And Ludwick isn’t all that improbable—he’s had injury problems, but he was a good prospect who was always considered to be destined for a major league roster.

by mojowo11 on Aug 14, 2008 9:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gabe Kapler

He probably should’ve made the list.

Dude was managing in the Sally League last year, came out of retirement to be a quality player for a contending team.

by liam on Aug 14, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That list is everywhere.

And could be 200 players long.

Lincecum is improbable because of size. Ponson made the list because he’s fat and like booze. Hunter was included because he grew up with a poor father in a bad neighborhood. Some made the list because of severe injuries or disorders. Other made the list because of long MiL servitude.

90% of MLBers are improbable for one reason or another.

by andujar on Aug 14, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lincecum

I thought this quote was precious:

Taught by his father to throw 98 mph…

I will now go beat the crap out of my dad for not teaching me the same thing…

/end sarcasm

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 14, 2008 9:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you read the SI article about LIncecum?

It could be argued that his father, in teaching that whiplike motion, did indeed find a way to coax serious heat out of that small body.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't really teach velocity

His dad taught him his mechanics (which, so far, have prevented his tiny body from breaking down while throwing 95+), he didn’t teach him to throw hard.

by mojowo11 on Aug 14, 2008 11:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

his mechanics

are what make him throw hard. he is using his core muscles to whip his body around, and that “whip” action gives his arm the speed necessary to generate pitch speed. he does not use his arm muscles for power, only direction. He has stated that in his delivery, his arm is “just along for the ride.”

His dad taught him all of that.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

all that is true

but my brother had great mechanics, threw long toss to improve arm strength, and ran all the time to build strength up in his legs, and he still couldn’t sniff 90 mph. His mechanics may help his natural ability, but he’d still be throwing that hard because his body is naturally built to throw that hard.

If his dad could truly turn anyone’s kid into a 98 mph hurler, wouldn’t he be the most sought after coach in the history of the game?

As Crash Davis said: “The God’s reached down and touched his arm and turned it into a thunderbolt.”

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 14, 2008 1:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Granted

From what I gathered from the article, Lincecum is a tremendous athlete. However, his unconventional delivery, taught by his dad, taps into Tim’s ability in a way that a conventional delivery, taught by other coaches, never could.

So, I’d say his dad deserves some credit.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 1:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Some credit

but the way it was worded sounded like he taught his son to throw that hard, when what he really did was enable him to throw that hard without taxing his arm and getting injured.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 14, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

It looks like what you are saying is that Lincecum could throw just as hard with a different delivery, and that what his father did by teaching him that unique windup was just make it so he could avoid injury.

If that’s what you’re saying I have to disagree. I think that unique windup, which only Lincecum can pull off, is the source of his velocity, as well as his durability. His dad created that windup to take advantage of Tim’s special athleticism. Therefore his dad gets credit for maximizing Tim’s abliity, as all good coaches should.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wasn't what I was saying at all.

His dad didn’t “coach” him to throw 98 mph. He’s been given athletic gifts that enable him to throw harder than the average person. His dad coached him to use his gifts in such a way that it maximizes his velocity and prevents him from getting hurt by his small frame. His delivery does help him throw as hard as he does, but don’t try to sell me that he wouldn’t still throw in the upper 80’s/low 90’s with a different delivery. I think we can both agree that coaching is not the unique and only reason that he’s in the big leagues.

He wasn’t an average pitcher who was “coached” to be able to throw that hard. He’s a kid with special talents who was coached on how to use them most effectively. The article makes it sound like his dad worked a miracle and turned an average pitcher into a dominant major league one — which is an exaggeration of what actually happened.

I disagree that he’s the only one that can pull that delivery off. My guess is that there are other pitchers able to pull off his delivery, but only one with enough natural talent to be able to make the major leagues doing it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 14, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maddux and koufax

have (or had) similar deliveries.

by jeff_abs on Aug 14, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

according to the article, Koufax and Gibson are the models the windup is based on. Hopefully whatever caused Koufax’s arm troubles was left out!

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Um, OK

I say “His dad created that windup to take advantage of Tim’s special athleticism. Therefore his dad gets credit for maximizing Tim’s abliity”

You say “His dad coached him to use his gifts in such a way that it maximizes his velocity and prevents him from getting hurt by his small frame.”

Seems like we agree on the basics there.

Again, I was only responding to the statement about “his dad taught him to throw 98.” I never argued that he was some average guy who was transformed into a flamethrower. All I’ve been saying is that it was his dad’s delivery that coaxed that extra jump out of his fastball.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Aug 14, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bottom line

When you see a talent that unique, there are probably a few people that played a hand in it. We can argue how much credit people deserve, but the point is that he is an awesome talent and we should appreciate that we get to see it.

Maybe I overstate it, but there is nobody in baseball I like watching more than Lincecum.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 14, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

how do you teach someone to throw 98 mph? Did Yao Ming’s dad teach him to be 7’ 7"?

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by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 11:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

supposedly

his velocity is largely a product of great hip-shoulder separation.

by jeff_abs on Aug 14, 2008 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not buying it.

You can’t trick an arm into 98 mph. If it can’t do it naturally, you’re flirting with disaster. Now, I’m not saying his mechanics don’t improve his velo. I’m sure they do, but it’s not like he’d be throwing 90 mph without ’em.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

obviously

there are other factors at play. but with that superior separation he is able to generate more torque with his abs/lower back/upper legs, which not only create more power than the arm and shoulder, but take stress off of the fragile joints commonly destroyed by the pitching motion.

but I agree that there is more going on in a 98mph pitch than just the hips/shoulders.

by jeff_abs on Aug 14, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

and I’ll never fool anyone as a pitching expert. But what I do know is, there are people on this planet who can throw a baseball over 90 mph, and there are people who can’t. Just like golf. Some guys are blessed with the ability to hit it 300 yards and others, no matter how big or strong, can’t do it.

Lincecum is blessed with an unbelievable amount of natural ability. Of that, I’m am positive. And something he does, enhances that ability (probably the hip stuff you cite). He’s kinda like a perfect storm right now.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fast-twitch muscle fibers.

Nolan Ryan had a higher percentage than most athletes, and I’ll be Lincecum does too.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 14, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That is a really bad analogy.

Without his mechanics, there is no chance that Lincecum throws 98 mph. Short of stacking bricks on his head, Yao Ming was always going to be 7’ 7".

I also think this argument is a little silly. The kid clearly has natural athletic ability. The limberness of his muscles, tendons, and ligaments; as well as his natural ability to control those cannot be “taught.” For some, the best mechanics in the world would not make them able to throw over 70 mph.

That said, without crafting his mechanics, Lincecum may only throw in the high 80s to low 90s. Mechanics affect the drag on the arm, the grip on the ball, and specifically the efficiency of the body motion. The wrong mechanics will cause a decrease in velocity. This doesn’t mean that old man Lincecum could teach me to throw 98 mph. I don’t have it in me. It may mean that he was able to maximize his kid’s talent.

by etp_stl on Aug 14, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I never meant for it to be a good analogy

It was more of a joke than anything. But i don’t think his mechanics add 8-10 mph to his fastball. That we’re going to have to disagree about.

In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

by Tackle Box on Aug 14, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Ponson made the list because he’s fat and like booze."

I’m fat and I like booze. Sign me up for a $20 million contract, Yankees!

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by Mr Redbird on Aug 14, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up