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Game 91 Open Thread: July 8 2008

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St. Louis Cardinals @ Philadelphia Phillies


Pineiro Hamels
2-4, 4.52 9-5, 3.22

the phillies have the 2nd-best run differential in the national league, +77 runs; the cubs are first at +102, and the braves are third at +25. that tells you a lot about the national league this year --- the 3d-best team is only 25 runs above break-even. st louis ranks 4th at +16 . . . . .

hamels threw only 201 minor-league innings, and 159 of them were at class A; he truly made a meteoric climb. he has thrown at least 7 innings in each of his last 6 starts, including a complete-game shutout (one of 2 he has thrown this year). the cards dodged him when the phils visited st louis last month.

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ha ha ha...

gotta check out the front page at stltoday.com.

Headline: “NL Central Suddenly a Powerhouse” next to pictures of Zambrano, Sabathia and Mulder.

Uh, I think I’ll take theirs over ours…

by guayzimi on Jul 8, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I noticed that also

how could they publish that with a straight face?

“Which one of these is not like the others?”

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's

so ridiculous it HAS to be someone’s idea of a joke. Ug.

by rockin redbird on Jul 8, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah I saw that too

I thought I woke up 4 years ago.

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 6:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess it should be Harden...

...instead of Big Z now. Prove us wrong, Marky Mark. Prove us wrong.

Sabathia.Zambrano.Mulder?!?

by lightbulb on Jul 8, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did Hamels suddenly start throwing right handed?

No?

Then why is Duncan in the lineup over Mather?

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

07 and 08 historical splits

have LHB performing better than RHB. Tony is playing the odds as usual.

by ubeddie on Jul 8, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Hamels

he is amazing against righties and lefties. I don’t agree with it, but Tony has a mind of his own.

Looks like Luddy, Pujols, and Glaus will have to come up huge to put some runs on the board tonight.

lots of lefties out there.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 8, 2008 6:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's new?

Luddy, Pujols, and Glaus are the boppers…....................

It really does not matter if Izturis or Ryan play as it’s a wash and Mather and Dunc might as well be a wash honestly….......

Our boppers gotta bop.

by ICbirdfan on Jul 8, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I am almost tired of hearing about line up complaints.

The Cards don’t have good players outside of Albert and Glaus who are “PROVEN” produces over their careers….......

by ICbirdfan on Jul 8, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+ 1

The lineup critiques seem to have become a pastime in the game threads. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but man, sometimes it just gets a little stale…

We should just create another thread where everyone can post the lineups they would pick against certain types of pitchers. Maybe your user page could list a lineup or have a checkmark that indicates whether you prefer Ryan or Miles, Skip or Duncan, etc.

My comments are all in good fun.

by rthorat on Jul 8, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear ya, it just gets stale.......

Come on the only guys who should be playing the most are….....

Pujols, Glaus, Ludwick, Ankiel

Heck if 3 of the 4 are playing I can’t complain much…. After that just go off who is hot and career numbers vs. the pitcher if so desired.

I guess it’s like how many times can complaints about the line up be made.

by ICbirdfan on Jul 8, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tony La Russa knows more about baseball than any of us. Period.

I’ll take his lineups anyday. I still might bitch about stuff like Kennedy hitting third or whatever, but you’ll never hear me asking for a new manager. And Kennedy’s been tearing it up lately, in case no one noticed, especially against left handed pitching.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Citizens Bank Park

anyone ever been to a ballgame in the new stadium in Philly?

Thursday’s forecast is for a nice sunny afternoon game temp about 83 degrees. I may play hooky from work and cruise up there from Baltimore. It will take less time than going to Washington (and sitting through that damn rain delay)

by ubeddie on Jul 8, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

beautiful ballpark….great place to watch a game…...in fact, I believe the beauty of the park somehow mellowed the nasty Phil fans a bit….everyone seems to really enjoy themselves there…...of course, get a cheesesteak…....and don’t miss the beauty selling beer by the can who is positioned, not by accident, at the main entrance (home plate)....you will buy another beer from her even if you don’t drink beer

the only downside I see to the park is location…....next to Lincoln Field…..traffic flows well near the Interstate but nothing in terms of options around the ballpark…..really a one destination only place

by Hinkster on Jul 8, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’ve been to a few games at Veterans Stadium. Like you said, drive to the game/park/watch the Cards win/drive home. But it beats a day at the office. I’ll try to get a FanShot for you.

by ubeddie on Jul 8, 2008 6:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

watch out for puddles of piss. i’ve been to philly twice. i’ve found it disgusting both times.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*not the stadium, just the city in general.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I once went on the field for fireworks after a game

at the Vet and as I was sitting on the turf, something was rather uncomfortable under my blanket. I pulled the blanket up from the turf and found a human tooth.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one other thought

Philly sports is great for lurking and listening…...hanging around and listening to a conversation while seemingly focusd on something else…...the Philly fans are often candid, foul, obscene, negative and down right funny – all in an interesting accent

by Hinkster on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Third Base Fielding Percentage

How about this: (from my Yahoo! Fantasy player tidbits)

3B Scott Rolen, a seven-time Gold Glover, is second in the majors in fielding percentage for third basemen. The man he trails just happens to be the Cardinals’ Troy Glaus, the man who was traded for Rolen last winter. Glaus has a .986 fielding percentage while Rolen is at .984. Rolen and Glaus are tied for the fewest errors among third basemen, with three each. Rolen does lead by a large margin in “zone rating”—which is the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive zone. Essentially, it measures how wide an area a particular player can cover. Rolen’s zone rating is 90.7. Boston’s Mike Lowell is second with a zone rating of 84.2.

For whatever its worth. I’d say that trade is working out pretty well for us, considering some of the alternatives we (the fans) had considered.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

I like Glaus just fine. He’s been way more streaky as a hitter than I had hoped, but his D has been better than I thought it would be. If he could just be a bit more consistent with the bat….

by rockin redbird on Jul 8, 2008 6:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's been fantastic at the plate the last month or so

.809 OPS

he’s hitless against the cubs though. he must be trying too hard. he grew up a cards fan, right?

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did he?

not saying i’m disagreeing but he’s from California, right?

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even still

to only give up Murton and Gallagher as the centerpieces, it proves Beane can be fleeced from time to time.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the trade happened 5 seconds ago

can we give it a while before we say he was fleeced?

What if Harden breaks down in his next start. still fleeced?

by azruavatar on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, of course not. are you crazy?

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say so

unless Harden never makes 10 starts over the next 2 years, then he still gets fleeced.

Murton and Gallagher lack any real value, except of course to Billy Beane here.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Eric Patterson

turns into an everyday second baseman that’s an incredibly valuable player. He’s got a decent ceiling still.

I’m just not ready to pass final judgment on something that quickly. The As got 3 players that all project as everyday players. The Cubs got two pitchers - one of whom has great stuff and a spotty injury record, the other who is back of the rotation material. There’s several scenarios where Beane could come out ahead in my mind. Do I think they’re the most likely - eh, maybe not. But to be so adamant about who won a trade so quickly seems awfully knee jerk.

by azruavatar on Jul 8, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one other thing to consider

harden has been on a very strict pitch-count limit this year, which restricts his innings. his game log resembles that of roger clemens from a couple years ago —he almost never goes beyond 6 innings, goes less than that almost half the time. as great as he is, he puts pressure on the bullpen -- and that’s probably why the A’s couldn’t ask as much for him as they might otherwise like. innings count for a lot.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=harderi01&t=p&year=2008

by lboros on Jul 8, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not seeing...

a strict pitch count there. I see 115, 105, 102, 99, 98…

by guayzimi on Jul 8, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

since June 8 he hasn't gone over 100 pitches

but he’s also gone over 6 innings only once in that span and has only gone 5 innings in his last 2 starts with 91 and 93 pitches, respecitvely.

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I should expound

while not going over 100 pitches, he has gone over 90 in all of those starts while not going past the 6th.

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 6:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100 appears to be about the limit

aside from the 115-pitch game, he pretty much comes out at 100 pitches no matter what. there are numerous games where he was lifted after 6 innings despite having a very good game going - because he hit 90+ pitches (see e.g. may 23, june 14, july 1).

by lboros on Jul 8, 2008 6:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roll of the Dice

Any pitcher is, but this is a roll of the dice. It’s a calculated gamble by the Cubs. I’d imagine Beane thinks Harden won’t be healthy all year and the Cubs are willing to bet that he will be. Hence the low price for his services. He could be the next Mark Prior, or he could pitch the Cubbies to a pennant.

by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's definitely not someone you want to rely on

given his injury history.

I think it was a good gamble by the Cubs.

Here’s hoping Harden goes the way of Mulder and Gallagher goes the way of Haren.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would you rather have 6 innings of lights out pitching

for Mitchell Boggs and a AAAA OF’er or Joel Pineiro/Mark Mulder muddling through 6 innings?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

I’d rather have 6 IP of lights out filthiness than El Pineiro or Mark Mulder being whacked around the yard. I’m just saying that it’s a gamble. I’d rather have Pineiro than Boggs subbing for an injured Harden for a month.

by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is why I spent keystrokes arguing for it.

But it meant dealing with Beane.. oh nooo.. the world will crumble before us.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just saying

in looking at his innings, pitch counts and what he’s given up in games, he doesn’t look like he would help the cubs. he’s basically repacing someone who did exactly what he’s been doing for Oakland.

How is what he’s done any different than what Sean Gallagher has done?

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He'll fit ok into the Cubs system

If he’s shut down they can still hold up, he’ll still be there around Oct.

If he’s not, then he’ll eat into that BP, but it should hold up compared to what’s there. He also gives them 5-6 innings of dominance that allows the offense to jump on the other side.

I think it’s a better deal for Beane than it first appears. A lot closer to a 50/50 scenario than first reactions seem.

Harden is a known quanity, kept Beane honest, imo.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would you prefer...

110 pitches from Looper or 95 from Harden?

I don’t see a hard 100 pitches as being a huge dent in his value. If he can’t become more economical then, yes, five inning starts are a problem. If he stays healthy he should be able to figure out how to complete six on a regular basis.

by guayzimi on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Technically

shouldn’t he gain half an inning anyways by having to face the pitcher instead of another hitter in the AL?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he still has to throw pitches to him

it’s not like that spot is an automatic out. If it takes him 4 or 5 pitches to strike out the pitcher 2 times through 5 innings, is that really that much of an advantage?

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A bit of one

I’d wager that Harden throws fewer pitches to the average pitcher than the average DH. A pitcher can be much more aggressive in the zone with pitchers than DHs.

by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you trying to argue

that it isn’t easier to pitch in the NL that has the pitcher than the AL that has an extra hitter in the lineup?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i can't believe this is an argument

a strikeout is one of many ways to record an out against a weak hitter.

by baw on Jul 8, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is

Harden has to be healthy to throw 95 nasty pitches. I agree that Harden is very good and worth the gamble, but you have to be able to absorb a possible, if not likely, DL stint.

by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not saying harden isn't an asset

he’s a huge asset; he makes the cubs much better. i’m just trying to explain why the return for him was seemingly so weak. the limitation on his innings seems like the obvious answer. billy beane generally doesn’t give guys away for cheap . . . .

by lboros on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right...

maybe we’re underestimating Gallagher.

22 years old. Totally dominant at AAA, and he’s held his own in 58 innings in the majors. Obviously, Beane knows the market for Harden better than anyone.

by guayzimi on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

but as the Cubs #3 or #4 starter, going 6 innings isn’t going to be that much of a strain.

If some team was looking for a #1, then yes, the value would be driven down but I doubt many teams in contention were.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tea Leaves

This deal reminds me of the Mulder deal, except the Cubs seem to have given up far less than what Haren was then and what Barton was projected to be. But, we have a starter with a history of injury problems being dumped by the A’s. If Beane thought Harden would be well enough to pitch down the stretch and into the playoffs, he would have kept him. What does Beane know that we don’t?

by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he still only got

Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and Josh Donaldson for Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin.

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

The Cubs gave up nothing of real value to them.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gallagher will have value.

by baw on Jul 8, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats what i was getting at.

just looked it up mlbtr before i posted that. how is that package worth harden?????

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that package is much more valuable

than a gimpy pitcher on the DL though. beane was cutting bait while he still could. harden has already started 13 games this year and that is already more than his body can handle looking at the history.

i can see it now “9/1/08 – Rich Harden lands on DL”

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jul 8, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus the Cubs second round pick from last year.

Josh Donaldson, a catcher who OPSed 1.075 last season at single-A

by notmorganfreeman on Jul 8, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was short season A Boise

he’s ops-ing .640 this year at low A Peoria.

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sigh

there goes my boy

now, I sure hope that the central/wc potentials don’t get into a NBA West Conference like shopping spree, or we all could be regretting it for a long time to come.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hope mo

doesn’t get antsy and make some stupid trade to compensate. maybe. shit. i don’t know. i like seeing all the young dudes coming up, but if we have a chance this year… i just don’t want to see rasmus/garcia/todd/kozma go anywhere just yet. outside of that, i could handle it.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are the guys expecting Mo

to match the Brewers/Cubs on this? Are they expecting an upgrade to stay in contention?

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by gocards62 on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deal

Cubs get: Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin

A’s get: Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson, and a minor leaguer to be named later.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GREAT move by the Cubs

I hate them, but that’s giving up garbage for a player, if healthy, is an Ace.

Sean Gallagher is a #4 starter at best, Murton is a 4th outfielder and Patterson is B Grade Prospect.

Skip Schumaker + Boggs + Jon Jay would’ve been a better package than that.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cubs always seem to package their garbage

and get a pretty good player in return

maybe they’ve moved their AAAA affiliate from Pittsburgh to Oakland

by vances law on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gotta say, i'm not a fan of Mo not beating that offer

Murton and Gallagher = Skip and Boggs

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe he knows something about Harden

that we don’t. and I think Patterson is underrated (just a guess though)

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just like he did

with Mulder

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jul 8, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

from

Baseball Prospectus:

"The Cubs will react quickly to any deals in their division."

I’ll say so.

by azruavatar on Jul 8, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I doubt they can react from here on out

because that just about taps out what little they had in the farm system.

With this deal in mind, I wonder what would get us AJ Burnett. Hell, now I don’t want to trade Lohse. We might not get a bag of balls for him.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cards

should wait til later in the month before making any move that doesn’t involve a loogy.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

before I get too upset

when is Harden’s contract up?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

crap

that is all I have to say about that

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7 mil

for 10 starts? pass.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jul 8, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When does Glaus get a day off.

Didn’t TLR make some noise about him getting a game off each series or something like that. What’s he missed—2-3 games total?

by azruavatar on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously, though

we don’t have any other third baseman on the roster.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes.

i forgot about that guy.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

despite

the red piece of felt i haven’t unglued from my chin since oct 06

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha!

I’d say it is more because we carry 3 MIF’ers that can’t really play 3B and 5 OF’ers.

Mather and Duncan are redundant (except for their handedness). One should be replaced with someone like Barden who can play all 3 IF positions (other than 1B) pretty well. Molina/LaRue and whichever of the two (Mather or Duncan) that remains can be the backup 1B.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d say that is more based on the advertisement of his feet and forward thinking. He does need some time off, but with his feet a lot better he’s not in that aggressive of need days off where he was once thought to be.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could the PTBNL...

be Vitters?

Everything else in their system seems pretty questionable (Veal, Donaldson, Colvin, Samardjzia)...

by guayzimi on Jul 8, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i got a question

Say sabathia or harden were selected to the all star game for the AL and then get traded like they jsut did what happens?

by cowcards on Jul 8, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i saw that

just happened to be 2 seconds after i posted

by cowcards on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Over/under amount of time for deal for Burnett

3 days lol

Honestly I hope we stand pat. While the Crew and Scrubs are outbidding each other, they are selling their futures pretty short. I’d rather win five straight years several years from now than this one year. The way both of these teams are trading right now, if either one of them fails to win the World Series, the season’s a failure.

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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I swear

I just saw Burnett at the airport

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 8, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

evening gents

i just got the news about the cubs trade….that suuuuuuuuuucks

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent point...

we were never going to out-distance the Cubs anyway.

by guayzimi on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We might have.

Now, though, the hill is even steeper.

The Cardinals as presently constituted are basically going to have to play perfect baseball.

by Egyptian on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no no

We just have to enjoy watching this team that was suppose to be in last place play.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

may – wellemeyer goes nuts
june – lohse goes nuts

its pretty safe to say pineiro or looper will go nuts in july. don’t worry.
dipcan/kennedy will also be on fire this month. no problem.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even better.

I just can’t be that down today. Great day at work. And I have half a cheese cake in the fridge.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mmmm

Cheesecake and baseball. Hell of a night

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brew Crew

Best record in baseball during June. Sheets/CC is a brutal combo.

by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diamondbacks

Best record in baseball during Apirl. Season isn’t won in one month. I still believe we can hold off the brewers. At least, we have a better chance at that than overtaking the Cubs. And that was before they got Harden.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what you are saying

But the Brew Crew went 10 games over .500 for a month before adding CC.

by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what your saying

But Im in denial right now. Please don’t bring me out of it. Im going to go drink some Cardinal Red Cool-aid right now.

AL just said we are getting 2 number 1’s back in Wainwright and Carp. Thanks Al! That’s the cool-aid i was looking for.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yes!!!!

TAKE THAT BREWERS AND CUBS!!!!!!

by Tackle Box on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Karma owes us

The Wagonmaker better comeback great, and Carp better kick ass the first couple times in the bullpen and then take his place as the ace back.

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides

AK just hit a HR. Well, it was the warning track. But that should count as a HR for Kennedy.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineups per Gameday

STL

Kennedy 2B
Ludwick RF
Pujols 1B
Glaus 3B
Ankiel CF
Molina C
Duncan LF
Pineiro P
Izturis SS

PHI

Rollins SS
Victorino CF
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Burrell LF
Werth RF
Feliz 3B
Ruiz C
Hamels P

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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm gonna go ahead and call another 20-run game for the Phils

Just have a baaaaad feeling about this one

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tomorrow they will

with Mulder on the mound

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like Matt Morris

the early years

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ludwick was completely overmatched

Hamels is ridiculous

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need Duncan to hit 7 or HRs this series

then trade him for …who the hell else is out there?
I do not want to hear AJ

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

None of the above?

Please?

...

Pretty Please?

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Duncan hits 7 homers this series

I will not be asking for him to be traded. I will be happy with him in the OF too

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay

i guess my internet connection sucks. i just got 24 comments updated.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the sake of our season, I sort of hope not.

I don’t want Mo thinking that he doesn’t have to make a move now that he can continue to rely on Piniero, Welly, X fifth pitcher, Looper …. to continue to defy the odds.

If we are going to lose tonight, I hope we get blown out by 10 runs.

by Egyptian on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't like that way of thinking

but i can kinda see your point. we just need to score some early runs.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cole hamels

is my pitcher-crush. i love watching this guy pitch. it really sucks when he faces the cards, though, obviously.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes when I want a good chuckle

I think of that time Adam Kennedy dove for a routine pop-up and blasted it into the stands vs the Brewers.

That was funny, now that I have some distance from the pain of losing that game.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i have way too many phillies

on my one of four fantasy teams that is still in contention. this is gonna be rough one way or another.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice pickoff

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what just happened?

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i click your title and see the rest. that’s pretty fancy. how do you do that?

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that works with everyone. nevermind. shit. i’ve been drinking all day. sorry.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who the hell said that?

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that is just crazy talk

he isn’t even the best second baseman I havve ever seen, and Charlie has seen a lot more baseball than I have

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's seen more, right

people freaked out when tony said the same thing about albert.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert has a bit more of a track record than Utley though

Utley is good, he is no ALbert though. But a manager does have to kiss ass

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

utley has more of a track record when manuel said that as opposed to albert’s track record when tony said it. fwiw

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pin picked Pu up on that pickoff

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty kick ass right there

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitches

Joel 11 Hamels 13. This game might be over in a 45 minutes they keep this up.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to be Mr. Negative...

but one will keep it up, the other likely won’t.

by guayzimi on Jul 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is

that we have Glaus, Ankiel and Molina coming up next while they have Howard, Utley and Werth.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good start Joel

I hope we see the Joel version that 3-hit the Mets during their collapse last year

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?

I don’t follow

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a second ago i said that jo-el's going pitch for pitch with hamels tonight

and someone said that it would ruin our season and jo-el needs to be dfad and mo needed to make a move. scroll up just a bit.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Morning guys. It's 6:00 am in the city of angles- Bangkok. Go Joel, go Cards

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

90 Degrees

It’s hard to make buildings with anything else.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I trust

Australian engineering over Chinese engineering. But that’s just me. Besides. You didn’t give me much to work with.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

swing and a home run but its foul

by bornin82 on Jul 8, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offensive breakout game?

I’m just hoping we’ll get a hit off of Hamels

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 8, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, did you guys know

Rick Ankiel used to be a pitcher? And Yadier Molina has 2 other brothers that are catchers?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you know

That Chase Utley is the best player I have ever seen?

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

chas utley is the best player i have ever tasted

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure I don't want to know

the story behind that, but I ….nevermind

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I keep getting this image of Walter Kronkite

calling a baseball game.

"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It seems every time they mention...

... that Yadi is the hardest guy in the league to strikeout, he grounds out weakly.

by notmorganfreeman on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is why

he is so hard to strike out – he puts the ball in play. He may ground out, but he puts it in play.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yadis so slow...

getting him to ground out is more a guarantee of an out than striking him out…

/sarcasm.

by longhornscardinals on Jul 8, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heard we traded Chris Duncan for Rich Harden

...because the A’s needed the left-handed hitting First Basemen.

Oops. Wrong side of the bay…

by effin fisk on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The sky is falling

Here in Alton. Hopefully I keep the game.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i started it

with a few. bare with me. i’ve been in the pool all day.

by adiueordie on Jul 8, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sounds good

I’ve been on here a few times pretty loaded

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a good time

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where did that pitch miss?

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait a second

Wasn’t that pitch a strike the first time he threw it? Come on Ump. We got an uphill battle already.

by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had no idea

ryan howard had 78 rbis

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this,

but Shannon sounds absolutely pitiful tonight. He’s got a cold or a sore throat or something and he’s still broadcasting.

by Phizzle on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See my last post. Shannon has the enthusiam of the black gunk that hides under the lid of the katsup bottle

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huge K

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So

Tony had a team meeting today…

I wonder what that conversation was like?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM EDT