Game 91 Open Thread: July 8 2008
by lboros on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM EDT
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PrintSt. Louis Cardinals at Philadelphia Phillies, Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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the phillies have the 2nd-best run differential in the national league, +77 runs; the cubs are first at +102, and the braves are third at +25. that tells you a lot about the national league this year --- the 3d-best team is only 25 runs above break-even. st louis ranks 4th at +16 . . . . .
hamels threw only 201 minor-league innings, and 159 of them were at class A; he truly made a meteoric climb. he has thrown at least 7 innings in each of his last 6 starts, including a complete-game shutout (one of 2 he has thrown this year). the cards dodged him when the phils visited st louis last month.
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ha ha ha...
gotta check out the front page at stltoday.com.
Headline: “NL Central Suddenly a Powerhouse” next to pictures of Zambrano, Sabathia and Mulder.
Uh, I think I’ll take theirs over ours…
I noticed that also
how could they publish that with a straight face?
“Which one of these is not like the others?”
boo cubs, hooray beer
That's
so ridiculous it HAS to be someone’s idea of a joke. Ug.
by rockin redbird on Jul 8, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Hamels suddenly start throwing right handed?
No?
Then why is Duncan in the lineup over Mather?
boo cubs, hooray beer
It's Hamels
he is amazing against righties and lefties. I don’t agree with it, but Tony has a mind of his own.
Looks like Luddy, Pujols, and Glaus will have to come up huge to put some runs on the board tonight.
lots of lefties out there.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 8, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What's new?
Luddy, Pujols, and Glaus are the boppers…....................
It really does not matter if Izturis or Ryan play as it’s a wash and Mather and Dunc might as well be a wash honestly….......
Our boppers gotta bop.
I guess I am almost tired of hearing about line up complaints.
The Cards don’t have good players outside of Albert and Glaus who are “PROVEN” produces over their careers….......
and kennedy of course
he’s a bopper
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 8, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the bank
Everyone’s a bopper at Citizen’s Bank Park.
by barry whiteteeth on Jul 8, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
+ 1
The lineup critiques seem to have become a pastime in the game threads. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but man, sometimes it just gets a little stale…
We should just create another thread where everyone can post the lineups they would pick against certain types of pitchers. Maybe your user page could list a lineup or have a checkmark that indicates whether you prefer Ryan or Miles, Skip or Duncan, etc.
My comments are all in good fun.
I hear ya, it just gets stale.......
Come on the only guys who should be playing the most are….....
Pujols, Glaus, Ludwick, Ankiel
Heck if 3 of the 4 are playing I can’t complain much…. After that just go off who is hot and career numbers vs. the pitcher if so desired.
I guess it’s like how many times can complaints about the line up be made.
Tony La Russa knows more about baseball than any of us. Period.
I’ll take his lineups anyday. I still might bitch about stuff like Kennedy hitting third or whatever, but you’ll never hear me asking for a new manager. And Kennedy’s been tearing it up lately, in case no one noticed, especially against left handed pitching.
Citizens Bank Park
anyone ever been to a ballgame in the new stadium in Philly?
Thursday’s forecast is for a nice sunny afternoon game temp about 83 degrees. I may play hooky from work and cruise up there from Baltimore. It will take less time than going to Washington (and sitting through that damn rain delay)
yes
beautiful ballpark….great place to watch a game…...in fact, I believe the beauty of the park somehow mellowed the nasty Phil fans a bit….everyone seems to really enjoy themselves there…...of course, get a cheesesteak…....and don’t miss the beauty selling beer by the can who is positioned, not by accident, at the main entrance (home plate)....you will buy another beer from her even if you don’t drink beer
the only downside I see to the park is location…....next to Lincoln Field…..traffic flows well near the Interstate but nothing in terms of options around the ballpark…..really a one destination only place
Thanks
I’ve been to a few games at Veterans Stadium. Like you said, drive to the game/park/watch the Cards win/drive home. But it beats a day at the office. I’ll try to get a FanShot for you.
I once went on the field for fireworks after a game
at the Vet and as I was sitting on the turf, something was rather uncomfortable under my blanket. I pulled the blanket up from the turf and found a human tooth.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
one other thought
Philly sports is great for lurking and listening…...hanging around and listening to a conversation while seemingly focusd on something else…...the Philly fans are often candid, foul, obscene, negative and down right funny – all in an interesting accent
Third Base Fielding Percentage
How about this: (from my Yahoo! Fantasy player tidbits)
3B Scott Rolen, a seven-time Gold Glover, is second in the majors in fielding percentage for third basemen. The man he trails just happens to be the Cardinals’ Troy Glaus, the man who was traded for Rolen last winter. Glaus has a .986 fielding percentage while Rolen is at .984. Rolen and Glaus are tied for the fewest errors among third basemen, with three each. Rolen does lead by a large margin in “zone rating”—which is the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive zone. Essentially, it measures how wide an area a particular player can cover. Rolen’s zone rating is 90.7. Boston’s Mike Lowell is second with a zone rating of 84.2.
For whatever its worth. I’d say that trade is working out pretty well for us, considering some of the alternatives we (the fans) had considered.
Yep
I like Glaus just fine. He’s been way more streaky as a hitter than I had hoped, but his D has been better than I thought it would be. If he could just be a bit more consistent with the bat….
by rockin redbird on Jul 8, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been fantastic at the plate the last month or so
.809 OPS
he’s hitless against the cubs though. he must be trying too hard. he grew up a cards fan, right?
Yup
for Sean Marshall and Matt Murton, among others.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Even still
to only give up Murton and Gallagher as the centerpieces, it proves Beane can be fleeced from time to time.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
the trade happened 5 seconds ago
can we give it a while before we say he was fleeced?
What if Harden breaks down in his next start. still fleeced?
I'd say so
unless Harden never makes 10 starts over the next 2 years, then he still gets fleeced.
Murton and Gallagher lack any real value, except of course to Billy Beane here.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If Eric Patterson
turns into an everyday second baseman that’s an incredibly valuable player. He’s got a decent ceiling still.
I’m just not ready to pass final judgment on something that quickly. The As got 3 players that all project as everyday players. The Cubs got two pitchers - one of whom has great stuff and a spotty injury record, the other who is back of the rotation material. There’s several scenarios where Beane could come out ahead in my mind. Do I think they’re the most likely - eh, maybe not. But to be so adamant about who won a trade so quickly seems awfully knee jerk.
one other thing to consider
harden has been on a very strict pitch-count limit this year, which restricts his innings. his game log resembles that of roger clemens from a couple years ago —he almost never goes beyond 6 innings, goes less than that almost half the time. as great as he is, he puts pressure on the bullpen -- and that’s probably why the A’s couldn’t ask as much for him as they might otherwise like. innings count for a lot.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=harderi01&t=p&year=2008
since June 8 he hasn't gone over 100 pitches
but he’s also gone over 6 innings only once in that span and has only gone 5 innings in his last 2 starts with 91 and 93 pitches, respecitvely.
I should expound
while not going over 100 pitches, he has gone over 90 in all of those starts while not going past the 6th.
100 appears to be about the limit
aside from the 115-pitch game, he pretty much comes out at 100 pitches no matter what. there are numerous games where he was lifted after 6 innings despite having a very good game going - because he hit 90+ pitches (see e.g. may 23, june 14, july 1).
Roll of the Dice
Any pitcher is, but this is a roll of the dice. It’s a calculated gamble by the Cubs. I’d imagine Beane thinks Harden won’t be healthy all year and the Cubs are willing to bet that he will be. Hence the low price for his services. He could be the next Mark Prior, or he could pitch the Cubbies to a pennant.
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he's definitely not someone you want to rely on
given his injury history.
I think it was a good gamble by the Cubs.
Here’s hoping Harden goes the way of Mulder and Gallagher goes the way of Haren.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Would you rather have 6 innings of lights out pitching
for Mitchell Boggs and a AAAA OF’er or Joel Pineiro/Mark Mulder muddling through 6 innings?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
I’d rather have 6 IP of lights out filthiness than El Pineiro or Mark Mulder being whacked around the yard. I’m just saying that it’s a gamble. I’d rather have Pineiro than Boggs subbing for an injured Harden for a month.
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I spent keystrokes arguing for it.
But it meant dealing with Beane.. oh nooo.. the world will crumble before us.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying
in looking at his innings, pitch counts and what he’s given up in games, he doesn’t look like he would help the cubs. he’s basically repacing someone who did exactly what he’s been doing for Oakland.
How is what he’s done any different than what Sean Gallagher has done?
He'll fit ok into the Cubs system
If he’s shut down they can still hold up, he’ll still be there around Oct.
If he’s not, then he’ll eat into that BP, but it should hold up compared to what’s there. He also gives them 5-6 innings of dominance that allows the offense to jump on the other side.
I think it’s a better deal for Beane than it first appears. A lot closer to a 50/50 scenario than first reactions seem.
Harden is a known quanity, kept Beane honest, imo.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you prefer...
110 pitches from Looper or 95 from Harden?
I don’t see a hard 100 pitches as being a huge dent in his value. If he can’t become more economical then, yes, five inning starts are a problem. If he stays healthy he should be able to figure out how to complete six on a regular basis.
Technically
shouldn’t he gain half an inning anyways by having to face the pitcher instead of another hitter in the AL?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he still has to throw pitches to him
it’s not like that spot is an automatic out. If it takes him 4 or 5 pitches to strike out the pitcher 2 times through 5 innings, is that really that much of an advantage?
A bit of one
I’d wager that Harden throws fewer pitches to the average pitcher than the average DH. A pitcher can be much more aggressive in the zone with pitchers than DHs.
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you trying to argue
that it isn’t easier to pitch in the NL that has the pitcher than the AL that has an extra hitter in the lineup?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't believe this is an argument
a strikeout is one of many ways to record an out against a weak hitter.
by baw on Jul 8, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is
Harden has to be healthy to throw 95 nasty pitches. I agree that Harden is very good and worth the gamble, but you have to be able to absorb a possible, if not likely, DL stint.
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not saying harden isn't an asset
he’s a huge asset; he makes the cubs much better. i’m just trying to explain why the return for him was seemingly so weak. the limitation on his innings seems like the obvious answer. billy beane generally doesn’t give guys away for cheap . . . .
Yeah
but as the Cubs #3 or #4 starter, going 6 innings isn’t going to be that much of a strain.
If some team was looking for a #1, then yes, the value would be driven down but I doubt many teams in contention were.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Tea Leaves
This deal reminds me of the Mulder deal, except the Cubs seem to have given up far less than what Haren was then and what Barton was projected to be. But, we have a starter with a history of injury problems being dumped by the A’s. If Beane thought Harden would be well enough to pitch down the stretch and into the playoffs, he would have kept him. What does Beane know that we don’t?
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what i was getting at.
just looked it up mlbtr before i posted that. how is that package worth harden?????
that package is much more valuable
than a gimpy pitcher on the DL though. beane was cutting bait while he still could. harden has already started 13 games this year and that is already more than his body can handle looking at the history.
i can see it now “9/1/08 – Rich Harden lands on DL”
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
Plus the Cubs second round pick from last year.
Josh Donaldson, a catcher who OPSed 1.075 last season at single-A
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 8, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh
there goes my boy
now, I sure hope that the central/wc potentials don’t get into a NBA West Conference like shopping spree, or we all could be regretting it for a long time to come.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope mo
doesn’t get antsy and make some stupid trade to compensate. maybe. shit. i don’t know. i like seeing all the young dudes coming up, but if we have a chance this year… i just don’t want to see rasmus/garcia/todd/kozma go anywhere just yet. outside of that, i could handle it.
are the guys expecting Mo
to match the Brewers/Cubs on this? Are they expecting an upgrade to stay in contention?
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Deal
Cubs get: Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin
A’s get: Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson, and a minor leaguer to be named later.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
GREAT move by the Cubs
I hate them, but that’s giving up garbage for a player, if healthy, is an Ace.
Sean Gallagher is a #4 starter at best, Murton is a 4th outfielder and Patterson is B Grade Prospect.
Skip Schumaker + Boggs + Jon Jay would’ve been a better package than that.
boo cubs, hooray beer
cubs always seem to package their garbage
and get a pretty good player in return
maybe they’ve moved their AAAA affiliate from Pittsburgh to Oakland
I gotta say, i'm not a fan of Mo not beating that offer
Murton and Gallagher = Skip and Boggs
boo cubs, hooray beer
maybe he knows something about Harden
that we don’t. and I think Patterson is underrated (just a guess though)
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I doubt they can react from here on out
because that just about taps out what little they had in the farm system.
With this deal in mind, I wonder what would get us AJ Burnett. Hell, now I don’t want to trade Lohse. We might not get a bag of balls for him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not until after next year
$7 M option next year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
When does Glaus get a day off.
Didn’t TLR make some noise about him getting a game off each series or something like that. What’s he missed—2-3 games total?
Ha!
I’d say it is more because we carry 3 MIF’ers that can’t really play 3B and 5 OF’ers.
Mather and Duncan are redundant (except for their handedness). One should be replaced with someone like Barden who can play all 3 IF positions (other than 1B) pretty well. Molina/LaRue and whichever of the two (Mather or Duncan) that remains can be the backup 1B.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say that is more based on the advertisement of his feet and forward thinking. He does need some time off, but with his feet a lot better he’s not in that aggressive of need days off where he was once thought to be.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Could the PTBNL...
be Vitters?
Everything else in their system seems pretty questionable (Veal, Donaldson, Colvin, Samardjzia)...
i got a question
Say sabathia or harden were selected to the all star game for the AL and then get traded like they jsut did what happens?
I think Bud Selig would then
check the Fanposts on the sidebar.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw that
just happened to be 2 seconds after i posted
Over/under amount of time for deal for Burnett
3 days lol
Honestly I hope we stand pat. While the Crew and Scrubs are outbidding each other, they are selling their futures pretty short. I’d rather win five straight years several years from now than this one year. The way both of these teams are trading right now, if either one of them fails to win the World Series, the season’s a failure.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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I swear
I just saw Burnett at the airport
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 8, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
evening gents
i just got the news about the cubs trade….that suuuuuuuuuucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
We might have.
Now, though, the hill is even steeper.
The Cardinals as presently constituted are basically going to have to play perfect baseball.
Or wait for Ned Yost to help them
beat themselves.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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even better.
I just can’t be that down today. Great day at work. And I have half a cheese cake in the fridge.
Brew Crew
Best record in baseball during June. Sheets/CC is a brutal combo.
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Diamondbacks
Best record in baseball during Apirl. Season isn’t won in one month. I still believe we can hold off the brewers. At least, we have a better chance at that than overtaking the Cubs. And that was before they got Harden.
I know what you are saying
But the Brew Crew went 10 games over .500 for a month before adding CC.
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what your saying
But Im in denial right now. Please don’t bring me out of it. Im going to go drink some Cardinal Red Cool-aid right now.
AL just said we are getting 2 number 1’s back in Wainwright and Carp. Thanks Al! That’s the cool-aid i was looking for.
Karma owes us
The Wagonmaker better comeback great, and Carp better kick ass the first couple times in the bullpen and then take his place as the ace back.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
This ballpark is so hilarious
he hits a routine flyball that almost leaves the yard.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides
AK just hit a HR. Well, it was the warning track. But that should count as a HR for Kennedy.
Lineups per Gameday
STL
Kennedy 2B
Ludwick RF
Pujols 1B
Glaus 3B
Ankiel CF
Molina C
Duncan LF
Pineiro P
Izturis SS
PHI
Rollins SS
Victorino CF
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Burrell LF
Werth RF
Feliz 3B
Ruiz C
Hamels P
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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I'm gonna go ahead and call another 20-run game for the Phils
Just have a baaaaad feeling about this one
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Hopefully we can score in the 1st
it’d be nice to atleast say we lead at some point tonight.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Over/under 40 runs this series for the Phils
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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We need Duncan to hit 7 or HRs this series
then trade him for …who the hell else is out there?
I do not want to hear AJ
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Maddux?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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None of the above?
Please?
...
Pretty Please?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If Duncan hits 7 homers this series
I will not be asking for him to be traded. I will be happy with him in the OF too
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
we need Duncan to hit 7 home runs this series
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
i guess my internet connection sucks. i just got 24 comments updated.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
pineiro's going pitch for pitch with hamels tonight
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
For the sake of our season, I sort of hope not.
I don’t want Mo thinking that he doesn’t have to make a move now that he can continue to rely on Piniero, Welly, X fifth pitcher, Looper …. to continue to defy the odds.
If we are going to lose tonight, I hope we get blown out by 10 runs.
i don't like that way of thinking
but i can kinda see your point. we just need to score some early runs.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
cole hamels
is my pitcher-crush. i love watching this guy pitch. it really sucks when he faces the cards, though, obviously.
Sometimes when I want a good chuckle
I think of that time Adam Kennedy dove for a routine pop-up and blasted it into the stands vs the Brewers.
That was funny, now that I have some distance from the pain of losing that game.
i have way too many phillies
on my one of four fantasy teams that is still in contention. this is gonna be rough one way or another.
"chase utley is the best player i've even seen"
my ass.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
that is just crazy talk
he isn’t even the best second baseman I havve ever seen, and Charlie has seen a lot more baseball than I have
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Albert has a bit more of a track record than Utley though
Utley is good, he is no ALbert though. But a manager does have to kiss ass
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Pin picked Pu up on that pickoff
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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The problem is
that we have Glaus, Ankiel and Molina coming up next while they have Howard, Utley and Werth.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Good start Joel
I hope we see the Joel version that 3-hit the Mets during their collapse last year
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Huh?
I don’t follow
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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a second ago i said that jo-el's going pitch for pitch with hamels tonight
and someone said that it would ruin our season and jo-el needs to be dfad and mo needed to make a move. scroll up just a bit.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this Phillies announcer covering a baseball game
or a golf tournament?
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
Morning guys. It's 6:00 am in the city of angles- Bangkok. Go Joel, go Cards
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
what are the angles?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
tell that to Sydney, Australia
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, did you guys know
Rick Ankiel used to be a pitcher? And Yadier Molina has 2 other brothers that are catchers?
chas utley is the best player i have ever tasted
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure I don't want to know
the story behind that, but I ….nevermind
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ugh
that sucks. it’s absolute robbery albert only has 1 trophy.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep getting this image of Walter Kronkite
calling a baseball game.
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the best pitcher-turned-outfielder since Babe Ruth!
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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It seems every time they mention...
... that Yadi is the hardest guy in the league to strikeout, he grounds out weakly.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That is why
he is so hard to strike out – he puts the ball in play. He may ground out, but he puts it in play.
yadis so slow...
getting him to ground out is more a guarantee of an out than striking him out…
/sarcasm.
by longhornscardinals on Jul 8, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard we traded Chris Duncan for Rich Harden
...because the A’s needed the left-handed hitting First Basemen.
Oops. Wrong side of the bay…
What's in the air today? Shannon giving the history of foul poles or some such. Sounds like he's reading a phone book
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I decided to start this game with a Franklin
ok Pin, lock down
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
that sounds good
I’ve been on here a few times pretty loaded
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
a good time
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone get the feeling one run will be enough tonight?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
Not in that stadium, with their lineup
Phils are #2 in scoring in NL
by bgh on Jul 8, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as it's ours
I can live with it.
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 8, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
wait a second
Wasn’t that pitch a strike the first time he threw it? Come on Ump. We got an uphill battle already.
I had no idea
ryan howard had 78 rbis
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
good thing he is not fast
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this,
but Shannon sounds absolutely pitiful tonight. He’s got a cold or a sore throat or something and he’s still broadcasting.
it sounds like he smoked a pack of cigarettes and yelled at someone for an hour
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
thats marrige
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone refresh my memory of the definition of a strike. . .
I obviously missed the rule change before the game.
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by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
See my last post. Shannon has the enthusiam of the black gunk that hides under the lid of the katsup bottle
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So
Tony had a team meeting today…
I wonder what that conversation was like?
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
nice K
we need you ON tonight, JoEl
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
With Harden
Well if Harden is in the rotation than Marquis is available. We should trade for him, I just hope it wouldn’t take too many prospects to get him
now batting with the sacks full
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oh great
they mention ruiz is hitting .207 and has one hit in his last 23 ABs. here comes the GS
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
i meant to put those 2 letters up.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's some news...
from the MLB.com recap of Harden’s last start:
He never topped 93 mph on the radar gun and was far more frequently checking in at 87-89.
“His velocity was definitely down,” Geren said. “Definitely.”
Harden didn’t seem worried, insisting he wasn’t hurting and chalking it up as “one of those nights.”
“My feel really was awful today,” Harden said. “I was fortunate to get through five innings with only two runs. There are just certain days when you feel kind of tied and your arm feels kind of dead. You just feel different on every pitch.”
Sounds like pins and needles with every start with this guy…
Sweet!
Could it be that the Cubbies are doomed to the same future that the Cardinals have been enduring w/ Mulder?
(Sorry. I can’t post this w/o a disclaimer: I loved Mulder at certain times. I do not wish injuries on anyone, even Cubs players.
The Great Piniero
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Once saw a game in Philly. Seventh inning stretch some nuns were invited to dance on top the Phil's dugout. Fans booed them
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I want gifts from Santa
and the Phillies defense tonight
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
that means Santa won't be nice tonight
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Grover Cleveland Alexander?
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what's Duncan doing in the line up tongiht? Even radio guys surprised
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and Ks on an unhittable pitch
i can live.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he's always pretty patient
he just can’t hit worth a lick when he puts it in play right now
boo cubs, hooray beer
better BA than Howard
but I’d rather have the HR and RBIs
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Mound too
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wow
7 straight lefties? barton cannot catch a break. he could’ve even started multiple games in a row this week.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
I'll be shocked if we get a hit off of Hamels tonight
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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I'll be shocked if we get two hits off of Hamels tonight
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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hopefully that rattled him
“holy crap, Izturis got a hit on me”
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
he is such a weenie
retiring after that. I say we trade for him and try to talk him out of retirement
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
then steals a base
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 8, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
like I said earlier,
welcome back, Iz2
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heh
izturis got the first hit
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
and another steal
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and steal and a WP
and we’ll have a run
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or 3 steals
izturis stealing home. if he had those kind of wheels, he’d be a Major League shortstop
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Izturis came to play tonight
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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So who do you all think is the most likely Cardinal or prospect to be traded for help?
I still think Anderson gets moved sometime this season. I might not like it, but I see it happening
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
reyes for PTBNL
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He's part of the undead
he’s on the 40-man roster, but no one can see him.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson pretty much has to be traded at this point
Especially with Yadi now being a respectable hitter. There’s simply no place for him here. We better wait until we can geta really good return on him, though; he’s a damn good prospect.
i woudl like to say i posted the Harden rumor from mlbtraderumors
a few days ago or maybe yesterday and was laughed at kinda and even one saying it would never happen…so i would like to say na na ne boo boo..jk it was just a link i had read
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
in all fairness
no one could’ve expected Beane to let Harden go for such a weak haul
boo cubs, hooray beer
ya
i post alot from that site.. guys i was joking lighten up
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
at least Kennedy doesn't surprise you too often
wouldn’t want that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
Hamels has thrown 49 pitches in three innings.
Maybe we can score a run in the 7th or 8th.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 8, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
gotta grind him down
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
blatant Cubs bias
that and we have the Rockies manager
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
answer
fans: stupid
clint hurdle: stupid
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 8, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Peavy should be on the block
the Pads are out of it, he is an injury risk. We should go after him
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
On trading Anderson - with all the Yadi trips to the DL, Anderson is a great resource
and one hell of an asset
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