All-Star traded before the ASG?

by mtalken on Jul 8, 2008 12:58 PM EDT

I saw this question on another forum that I look at, and no one had an answer, so I thought I'd pose the question to all of you, since all of you guys have a pretty impressive amount of sports knowledge.

Obviously CC Sabathia this year was NOT selected to the ASG, and for good reason, but let's say hypothetically he was. Having been selected to the ASG for the AL-affiliated Cleveland Indians and then being traded shortly before the ASG to the NL-affiliated Milwaukee Brewers, what would happen with Sabathia?

He made the team, of course, for his achievements as an Indian, but there's just no way, both for marketing reasons but also because of the "This Time it Counts" idea that they'd let him play in an Indians uniform.

Does he forfeit his right to be an all-star? Does he go as an additional representative of the Brewers? Is he considered an active player if he does go? And if he does, does someone get bounced in order to balance the roster?

My guess is this: The player would be invited to the ASG, but would not be allowed to play because of the roster issues involved.

What I ask of you guys is this: Is there any historical precedent for such a thing? Surely an All-Star has been traded prior to the ASG at SOME point in the ASG's 79-year history. I started digging through archives from 1994-2007 and found nothing, but that's certainly far from complete.

If anyone is aware of a historical precedent, please post it here.

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What would be REALLY interesting is if he was the only Indian selected for the ASG. Then I guess they would have to replace him with someone else.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 8, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions

Think it happened with Carlos Beltran

2004 Season: Beltran played his first 69 games of the year for Kansas City, then got traded to the Astros. Beltran was chosen for the National League All-Star team for his great first half, even though most of it happened for the Royals.

by lightbulb on Jul 8, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

I did happen

and I believe the NL ASG manager added him

by RockyMtnRedbird on Jul 8, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions

At 69 games though.....

ASG rosters wouldn’t have been named, so he technically wasn’t ever named as an all-star for the AL. I’m going to try to look up voting to see if they list him. I suppose if he were still listed in the top 3 in voting, this could still apply, but otherwise, while it represents some type of precedent, it’s not perfect.

by mtalken on Jul 8, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Colon to Montreal

Bartolo Colon was traded to Montreal on June 27, 2002. At the time, he was 10-4 with a 2.55 ERA (171 ERA+) for Cleveland. He was left off of the NL all star team.

by blahquaker on Jul 8, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions

That's pretty good

That’s obviously an all-star calibre half season, and certainly worth mentioning. Looking up the press release though for when the selections were made, fan voting ended the 28th, so technically that’s a Carlos Beltran situation as well.

Thanks so far for the responses, these two might be the closest situations, given that we’re talking about a pretty small time period for a player to be traded.

by mtalken on Jul 8, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

voting

as far as a player being traded from one league to the other while voting is still happening the player just goes to the other league’s team and takes his votes with him. so i believe in beltran’s case he was listed on the AL ballot originally then when he was traded all the AL votes he got as a Royal switched to NL votes for him as an Astro. the online ballots were re-done so that Beltran was listed as an Astro in the NL, but obviously the paper ballots still had him in the AL. even if beltran had enough “AL” votes before being traded to start in the AL, it wouldn’t matter because he carries those votes with him and they are totaled with his “NL” votes.

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by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2008 12:48 AM EDT reply actions