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welley at 68 pitches through 4 innings . . . . . it's still a struggle for him. for the cardinal bats, too.chicago 2 stlouis 0 heading into the 5th.

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Not a good start toward taht goal

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 6, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is it about below average leftys like Marshall

that gives the Cards such a fit. His stuff isn’t that good and they are making solid contact, but they can’t seem to get any runs on the board.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Marshall 58 thru 4

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And another bloop

Johnson is sooo good. David Eckstien in OF form.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OUCH

poor fielding there.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shannon is pissed

about the All-Star Team, isn’t he? Still going on about it

by thisgirllovesbaseball on Jul 6, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We could use it

but since Ramirez hits 1.4748754 at Busch Stadium, not likely.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dangit

I wish I woulda thought about that first…i only wanted the triple play

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would bode well

that way they’d only have to get 2 outs the next inning.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mather

I thought he was suppose to better than Chris Ducan defense wise?

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I cringe at the thought of Duncan fielding that.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah it would have

there would have been a giant hole in the wall.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I’m just looking out for the safety of the fans in the stands.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like everyone else is watching a different game

That ball was 2 inches from being a HR. How in the world was Mather to blame on that play?

Then Ankiel very nearly throws a guy out at 3rd. I’d say it was a hell of a job to get out of a bases-loaded, no outs situation with only one run.

by effin fisk on Jul 6, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was good to get out of that

Mather didn’t put himself in position to make a play on that ball. He might not have caught it. But if he took a good route he would have had a much better chance.

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mather played like 4 different positions as he came up through the minors

I saw him myself in Springfield. I don’t think he has a ton of experience in Left field. Even so, he just barely missed snagging that ball. It’s one thing if you say that you think she should’ve caught the ball. Its quite another to assume that Duncan would’ve made that play, or somehow missed the play with more grace or something.

I don’t understand the mentality that every one of our players is expected to play like a hall-of-famer 100% of the time.

by effin fisk on Jul 6, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont have a problem with players making a mistake

People just kept telling me that Mather is better than Duncan. I haven’t seen it yet. Let’s see how Mathers bat does here. Runner at 3rd. All he needs is a fly ball.

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

This is a frustrating game. Wellemeyer really seems to be pitching better than the score.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 6, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem is

only the cubs are scoring. he’s sorta doing his job against a very powerful offense. Problem is our offense hasn’t arrived at the ballpark just yet.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Marshall’s not Zambrano. It’s time to put some damn bats on the ball

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice DP

but Welley is simply way too hittable right now. Put the guy on the 15 day DL and let him rest his arm/elbow.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 6, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's pitched fine

they are getting only singles, and many on the ground. Plus he’s throwing strikes. I think he’s just been unlucky and somewhat rusty. Pitched better than most of our other starters.

by enoscountry on Jul 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the plus side

only took 8 pitches for all that

by vances law on Jul 6, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

...8 pitches to get a run across…

by vexedtechie on Jul 6, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't matter.

he’s done. and only 76 pitches…

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice DP there...

now SCORE SOME RUNS. grr.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 6, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wait, what?

Boston will be on National TV next week?

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen them since...

Each of the last 7 F-ing games…

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

that’s the only team that matters, or has espn not told you that yet?

by barry whiteteeth on Jul 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is cute

that the Red Sox are letting the Rays have first for alittle while.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...

well, I almost expect it against the Rays…you definitely know they’ll be on all 4 games v. the Yanks…but they are subjecting the world to the Orioles…c’mon. Isn’t there a Colorado/KC game on or something?

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double switch?

Kennedy to SS, take out iz2?

by vexedtechie on Jul 6, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

he needs to just stop swtich hitting, I think

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 6, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would be a bad move to put the pitcher in iz2's spot

kinda defeats the purpose of the double switch.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ich bin ein baserunner

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 6, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Productive out

Mather just needs to whack one.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mather home run here

please.
okay I’ll take a hit or a grounder to the right side even.

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Jul 6, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Soft tossing lefties....

Do all soft tossing average lefties take 3 minutes between pitches? I would not hit well either…I’d be asleep at the plate…

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why hitters don't

move up on the plate and in the box. Make the guy pitch inside.

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by gocards62 on Jul 6, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you doing Mather

I have faith in you, but quit being such a Rookie.

by TheBirds on Jul 6, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Got too eager early in the bat

and got setup to miss on that one.

by enoscountry on Jul 6, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

frustrating

we will be lucky to have won one the way we have played

by riotmute on Jul 6, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The sad thing is that I bet we are making Sean Marshall

think he doesn’t suck. Just wait till he faces the next team they play. Then the joke will be on him!

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they say he's a nutcase

on Cubs sportsradio – doesn’t trust his stuff and reads a lot of mental confidence books on the bus.

by enoscountry on Jul 6, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double switch

ryan out…perez in…correct call.

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if only...

we could do it with the bats on the ball as well…

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully they'll retaliate

so we can get some baserunners w/o having to pray for more bloop doubles

by effin fisk on Jul 6, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

careful what you ask for...

just don’t hurt anyone.

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey DeRosa

If you wear padding, you have no reason to cry about it.

Miles in '08

by Zoop on Jul 6, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, a strikeout

I was afraid we were getting the good ol’ “paint splatter” Perez today

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 6, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay

Now lets get some runs. Im looking at you Glaus. Did anyone else notice that he is wearing Dee Googles again?

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did the Cubs have a shift on against Pujols?

Fontenot seems kind of far over on that play

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 6, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boom Boom

for Ludwick.

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh

That’s much better!

by six on Jul 6, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no more glasses for glaus

Dee Googles! They do nothing!

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully this will be like yesterday,

where Ank’s 6th inning HR woke up the bats a bit.

(Hopefully it won’t involve a 2 run HR by Ramirez though…)

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 6, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Yadi

They’re talking about the NLCS. Time to hit a home-run.

by six on Jul 6, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who hits for Perez here

and who do you have pitch the next inning?

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd go with either Springer or McClellan.

Comcast didnt’ show who was warming up, fwiw.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm a little (a lot) late to the party here

can someone give me a 2 sec version of what’s happened so far?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs = bloop singles

Cardinals = Sean Marshall’s dream lineup (except the Luddy hr)

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Welly was fine for the most part

scattered 9 hits (8 singles) over 5 innings.

Cardinal hitters have either seemed mystified by Marshall’s curve or have hit it right at fielders. For some reason, it seemed like too many opposite field fly balls against this type of pitcher.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright

we got three innings to work with. that’s a run an inning.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

complements of mcdonalds

I think we need some ronald mcdonald rally action…...

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by cyko42 on Jul 6, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy

Is the only Cardinal with 2 hits today.

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

funny too

cause he came in in the 5th

by 916baller on Jul 6, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish they had called up Mather

instead of May-ther

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn Rick

TAKE A STRIKE. You have to get on base for AP

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by gocards62 on Jul 6, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fyi

i wasn’t serious. mostly making fun of what ususally happens when the cardinals are losing.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know

I can’t find his splits. But a .199 batting average would suggest he couldn’t hit anything really.

by Evilfrog on Jul 6, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got screwed by his manager

only hit him against lefties which is why TLR now dispises the reverse-split.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other than Wood in the 9th yesterday

we have been pathetic this series

ESPN Management (CT): Umm…...what does this have to do with the Red Sox and Yankees?
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by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 6, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great

now AP leads off the next inning.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We are going to be fortunate to only lose a game in the standings if this holds up

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by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 6, 2008 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5 now

Glad the Cubs fans can enjoy the Cubs kicking our backsides in Busch again this year.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget starting pitching

we need some offense before the deadline

by azruavatar on Jul 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so we need

a starter, or two. a reliever, or two. and a bat.

by UNCDubya on Jul 6, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 6, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jesus

i freakin’ hate soto.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

grrrrrrrrrrr....

i hate the diaper wearing bears…

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stupid Mather

Duncan would’ve caught that

by effin fisk on Jul 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love how Soto is 'great homegrown talent'

the guy was a forgettable prospect who found ‘something’ last year in AAA.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think this speculation is very constructive

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 6, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you also responded to “HGH?” with “ahem”. come on.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 6, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

I made a comment about the hgh comment that could be interpreted any number of ways and you say I’m the one making the comment.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

what’s up with cub catchers beatin up on the cardinals. michel barrett and now soto.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

soto does not discriminate

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 6, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

What’s going on, Russ? This is new, isn’t it, for him to get hit so hard?

by six on Jul 6, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

everything up up up.

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by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 6, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just about to write the same thing!

More than a starter? Or a middle infield bat?

by six on Jul 6, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am thinking Middle infielder

I know it is nothing new and wont happen, but how much better would or lineup look with Brian Roberts right now?

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by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 6, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Single!

OMG what a throw!

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope

i get to watch him do that for a few years

by UNCDubya on Jul 6, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man

ward is effin slow.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who would win in a race from 2B

Yadi or Ward?

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 6, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

unfair scenario

Oquendo never would let him run that far.

by Tackle Box on Jul 6, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols???

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by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 6, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, this is gonna suck

When we score 4 or 5 runs and get back even…minus that error.

by stlfan on Jul 6, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs