Game 90 Open Thread -- July 6, 2008
by chuckb on Jul 6, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
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PrintA quick word about Ankiel's at-bat yesterday: Wood never threw him a fastball. Ankiel has struggled against fastballs since he came into the league, according to Josh Kalk's pitch-type stats --- a batting average in the low .200s with just a modicum of power. He's better against off-speed stuff --- murders changeups and hits for great power vs curveballs, although his average against them is low this year. --- LB.
When we last saw Wellemeyer, he was taking a Jason Marquis-like pounding from the Mets -- 12 hits and 6 ER in just 5 IP. It wouldn't have been a surprising start a year ago, but it kind of was this year. I really don't want to say that 3 starts can be a "pattern," but his worst 2 starts of the season have come in his last 3 outings. In those 3 starts, he's gone 13.1 IP w/ 24 H, 3 HR, 5 BB, and just 8 K's. I don't know if he's hurt, but he's clearly not the same pitcher he was through the season's first 2 months. What's interesting, and a little scary, is that his season-high innings pitched before this season was 79.1 -- last season. In '06 he threw 78.1 IP. Before the start in which he was injured, he threw exactly 80 innings. Go get 'em, Todd. I'll be the first to admit that I thought you belonged in the bullpen. Keep proving me wrong.
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Ank struggles against fastballs?
I would have never guessed that. It always seems like it’s fastballs that he crushes and breaking balls that drop off the table that he can’t touch.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Breaking Stuff gives him trouble
At least, i think. I’ve watched practically every game this year, except those on the Coast and blacked out Saturday games. He’s taken some Preston Wilson-like swings.
by greenwichvillagecard on Jul 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I see also
which is why I was surprised that the stats show Ankiel struggling against fastballs.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Based on "eyeball"
rather than stats, I’d say Rick has trouble with the fastball in and above his hands… ya better get that heater in, however, or he’ll hurt you! From what I’ve watched, Ank can crush the down-and-in fastball.
Sometimes location is more important than pitch-type; “Pitch f/x” stats can tell us more..
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 6, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth.
here’s Kalk’s stats on Ankiel for this season… he’s hitting .279 on fastballs he puts in play, with a .341 BABIP overall.
Other tidbits: Ank’s swung and missed 24% against all sliders recorded in this data, and 28% against all changeups… albeit he’s hit three of his 10 recorded bombs against the change. NOT all pitches are recorded with Pitch f/x, so I can’t really tell if my “eveyball” estimates match up with the data! (Oh, well…)
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 6, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so much, according to Kalk...
22 swing-and-misses in 301 fastballs recorded (7%)... he’s fouled off 73 fastballs (24%) of the 301 recorded.
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 6, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
he's swung at 24 curves this year
and put the ball in play 12 times, or 50 percent. 1 in 6 swings produces a base hit
vs the fastball, he has swung 153 times and put it in play 58 times, or 37 percent . . . . 1 in 9.5 swings produces a base hit.
more data from kalk
against fastballs greater than 90 mph (and wood gets it up there at about 95) ankiel has swung the bat 102 times and produced just 7 base hits . . . . vs 17 swing / misses
Saying Wood "never" threw him a fastball
isn’t much of a statement, considering (a) Ankiel’s a lefty and Wood’s a righty and (b) he only threw two pitches to him.
Plus, contrary to what was said above
most pitchers/pitching coaches think of Ankiel as a dead-red hitter.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
if that stat is correct
then maybe some opinions were a little off
red in chi, considering that the fastball is wood's best pitch
and it’s ankiel’s worst, i would think wood might just go right after ankiel with heat. he did the cards a favor by going with off-speed stuff
Mulder starts on Wednesday vs Philadelphia
The only real positive you can have going into that is the Phillies are only hitting .249 vs LHP. Of course, that doesn’t help much when you look that they have the second highest slugging percentage vs lefties in the NL.
So, maybe what TLR is thinking is that since all Mulder gets is dinked and dunked, he’ll be ok because the only contact the Phillies make vs LHP is hard.
They need to know what they have
Why not test him against the best? What doesn’t destroy you makes you stronger and all that…
by Red in Chicago on Jul 6, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
we have to find out at some point
what he will be able to do this season so y not
Philly
Manuel started Hamels on Thursday, despite the Mets series, to get more starts in before the break. I think he’ll go Tuesday. Then we throw Mulder Wednesday. That’s rough.
Which leads me to my question? Will Garcia make starts before September, or is LaDunc committed to keeping him down? Anybody?
by greenwichvillagecard on Jul 6, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There has been almost no organizational chatter anywhere about
bringing up Garcia, Mortenson or Todd (AA). Then again, there never is any-with the sole exception of Rasmus, I think-in advance of people actually being moved.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 6, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
why can't we find that out while he's in a bullpen
this is the front office trying to save face. it’s bad management.
Lineup
per STLToday.com…
1. Joe Mather, LF
2. Rick Ankiel, CF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Ryan Ludwick, RF
5. Troy Glaus, 3B
6. Yadier Molina, C
7. Cesar Izturis, SS
8. Todd Wellemeyer, RHP
9. Brendan Ryan, 2B
Ank’s the only lefty batter…
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
that could be
an extremely powerful lineup… 5 guys in a row who could hit it out at any time.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
No kidding
that lineup is loaded with power potential from 1-6.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
im anxious to see how mather does today
his first at bats against the cubbies
Which sadly, all that means is that Griffey will replace
Soriano and Fukudome still gets to start. What a world.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like he will be though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Barton to DL?
Can that happen? I thought he wasn’t allowed to go to the DL. Sorry for the stupid question. It will be nice to see Joey Bombs in HD today. Stinks this could have been Colby’s first game..can’t wait for that.
yes, it can happen
My understanding is that he can also go out on a rehab assignment afterwards, letting him get some more regular ABs. Rule 5 players must be on the active roster for a certain amount of time, but I think it’s only 90 days and, if so, Barton is now past that.
i thought rule 5 guys
had to be on the roster for the entire year
No, just 90 days
he can go on the DL if he is hurt. They can’t make you play with 24 guys.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes you think
Barton might develop toenail fungus or something while staying at the Memphis Red Roof Inn.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 6, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He won't be back for 45 days
He will miss 15 days on the DL and then take a 30 day rehab assignment, in which he won’t get any playing time because the Memphis OF is already loaded.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not by much
Robinson
Stavinoha
Rasmus
Haerther
Still makes him in a 5 man rotation, if Jay isn’t up by then.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Haerther in danger of a demotion?
Don’t hear much about him nowadays.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 6, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
according to foxsports
Brewers are real close to getting sabathia with LaPorte being the centerpiece
No Cardinals pitchers made it
A lot of Cubs on this team. Zambrano, Dumpster, Wood.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
excellent
Plays right into TLR’s “we get no respect” schtick this year.
Pujols obviously will get added and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ludwick sneak in.
Albert had to get picked by Clint
Ryan Ludwick is in.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what that means exactly
could be an insult, but it looks like players were getting it to many first-timers.
The players didn't vote Albert in
he had to be selected by the manager to make the team.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That .474 OBP just snuck in
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
so what cardinals
made the team and where are you finding this info.?
It's on TBS
only Pujols and Ludwick made it. Pujols a managers selection and Ludwick voted in by players.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
o i see
i dont have tv so ive been looking all over the interent
There are also links to stories about the full AL and NL
rosters at the MLB all-star game page.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 6, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If Dumpster made it
Lohse should have made it. Another case of popularity and stupidity over knowledge. The All-Star Game has gotten pretty ridiculous. Maybe they should just award a permanent trophy to the AL and do away with it.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 6, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
despite our starting pitching
having the best ERA in the NL?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cards are getting zero respect
this year
on ESPN radio gameday yesterday, they referred to the cards using a “smoke and mirrors’ strategy, whatever the heck that means. Then went on to say its a better team than the one that won the world series in 2006. a two-for one insult
I guess having the best defense in the league, second best offense and top third pitching counts for little.
as I said in the last thread we’d get two if we’re lucky
yeah
we should get more respect, we have three guys with around 18 home runs, plus a power hitter who is a little bit underachieving in Glaus, and if Duncan starts cranking ‘em again, we’re right up there (not to mention our high team OBP, etc).
And a team’s defense always gets overlooked, even though it’s just about mandatory to play fundamentally sound baseball in order to do well.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted
but didn’t do the write-in thing. I just figured Lohse would have made it since he has 10 wins and almost had 11 yesterday
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Write-in would NOT have helped...
fans don’t get to vote for pitchers.
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
ah yes
guess I knew that already
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
7 Cubs
We better pound their heads in today. It’d be nice for us to be in 1st place at the ASB, the Cubs in 3rd and the announcers have to explain how a 3rd place team has 7 All-Stars.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 6, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ridiculous
Big Z is the only worthy pick. The rest are all borderline at best, and Fukudome and Wood are clearly not deserving. The cubs deserved about 3-4 this year only.
I hate all the publicity Soto is getting and Yadi is an All-Star, Gold Glover here getting NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER!
what, no marmol?
A travesty of justice! He needs to pitch in 163 games this year.
I’m absolutely fine with no STL pitchers making the ASG. Take that well-deserved break, fellas. Might even save mo some $$$ come negotiation time.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
Plus he gets a little star
next to his name on his Baseball Reference page. Can’t take that away, even if he turns into Roger Freed tomorrow.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 6, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The team with the 2nd best record in the NL
Has zero starters on the all star team (though I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pujols start at DH).
I don’t know if that’s a testament how our team is a total group effort, or if it just shows how flawed the all-star voting system is. Little bit of both, maybe?
Kudos to Ludwick though.
The voting system is the problem.
I don’t think it is lack of respect around the league. Pujols is one of the most respected players in the game and certainly in the NL. The fan vote is just a stupid marketing gimmick.
Then why was he not a player selection?
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
Adrian Gonzalez is an excellent player
and a hell of a guy. My guess is the players knew Pujols would be named, but figured it was up to them to get Gonzalez in.
The team with the best record in the game has 0 starters as well
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
That's because Avg. Fan doesn't know anyone who plays for TB
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
Why don't they just let the umpires make the selections?
Wouldn’t see as much cry-baby crap at the plate and they are supposed to be impartial.
I could live with umps making the picks.
what the?
how would varitek make a little league team this year, let alone the all star team?
by barry whiteteeth on Jul 6, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Could it be
the team he plays on?
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
TBS says
the players voted him on. so it wasn’t red sox fans stuffing the box.
by barry whiteteeth on Jul 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the players
are as influenced by the media lovefest with Bos/NY as the fans then ;) Heh.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
helps the NL
if he is going to playing in the game
Get on first
and run, run, RUN!!!!!
Ooops… sorry, I had a “Whiteyball” flashback there… ;-)
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding
219 .301 .360 has to be the worst all star line in recent memory isn’t it?
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Will KSDK
interrupt the Wimbeldon final for the game?
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
its on TBS I don't think KSDK gets it
Kind of like the fox on saturday thing
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on screen tv guide
says mlb at 2pm on ksdk. i can watch it on tbs no big deal, i just wondered how they would handle that. Obviously more people in St Louis care about Cards/Cubs than Federer/Nadal. :)
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
I sort of hope not.
I plan on flipping between the 2.
Excellent match going on. Nadal might just beat him this time. But Federer is amazing. He has saved the match at least a half dozen times.
I know!
I thought Nadal had this easily. I’m not a huge fan of either, but you have to appreciate the talent and effort on display.
Oops, rain delay x2
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
A truly great rivalry
I love the one-on-one pure competition of tennis. Those matches are SO grueling, and like 3-4 hours if they go to 5 sets. Great competition. I hope Nadal can win this one.
"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."
What I love
is the nonpartisanship of the crowd at a lot of matches… They root for the 5 set nail biter over the favored player most of the time. It’s great.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
Sorry if this has been mentioned ad naseum...
Cubs/Cards: 1st and 2nd best records in the NL respectively. A combined record of 102-75.
ESPN Sunday Night Game of the Week? Yanks and Sawks of course. 98-80, both teams looking up at the best team in baseball in the standings.
It will never be said enough for my tastes – f you ESPN. F you so hard.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
i enjoyed the espn highlights
last night as well. of course the yanks and sox were the first shown. they also got a much longer segment despite being a much less dramatic game. they didn’t even show anything from the ninth besides ank’s hit. i didn’t get to watch the game due to being at work so needless to say i was very disappointed (allow not surprised).
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
hell yeah
Cardinals really got a snub this year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
could have just as easily sent Lohse, Ankiel, and Molina along with Pujols and Ludwick. I guess that proves the People Are Stupid theorem
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Very little national exposure for this team
So very wrong.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 6, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever
I’d rather be underrated than overrated.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I'd be happy with
more coverage of my team.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 6, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
this team has the most interesting players on it, and lots of young guys trying to get promoted, etc. very entertaining to watch, yet almost totally overlooked
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lohse was robbed!!!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
giambi
and his gold thong on the ballot. i hope he gets it. we need more ‘staches on the all star team
by barry whiteteeth on Jul 6, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Write in
Jason LaRue. Make it happen, people.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
I switched over to Fox Sports Chicago
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
sorry, Comcast Sports Net. I always think that they are the same thing
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
same personalities which caused a real uncomfortable convesation between Dave Otto and myself, but thats another story for another time….
sounds interesting
til then
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
If TBS gets blacked out and my WB channel that usually picks up the cardinals shows the X-men I may hurt many many people
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My mlb.tv works for a TBS game?
Not that I’m complaining, but colour me absolutely astounded
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I don't have cable
so I have no idea whether TBS is blacked out here in Texas or not
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
It is blacked out in Indiana.
I think I am going to send a copy of this to TBS. They don’t seem to understand how TV markets work.
one of the few reason I liked Mediacom
was that they would do things like that, put what people couldn’t see on their local channel. Unfortunately, I Like the rest off the the things that DirecTV does really well
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Brad Lidge on the team
Too bad he doesn’t play for an AL team this year.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
I'm actually happy
I want the NL to win and he has been phenomenal.
Better than stinking Trevor Hoffman
Maybe...
Maybe because not many cards got voted in that Tony will use this to pump him team up for the second half?
Lohse should be in, no doubt
I think Ankiel should have made it over Ludwick. makes me think this was settled a couple of weeks ago.
Mather is leading off? seriously?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
sweet I get to listen to cub announcers
nothing makes me want to not ever hear again then listen to Bob Brenly except maybe having to listen to Santo (my fiance made me go watch the fireworks on friday instead of watching the 9th, of course no cardinals radio up here in Ames)......
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atleast with channel 5
i get an inning or 2 with the moon man
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Just to clarify, can someone tell me if the game is being shown on channel 5
right now? If not, does anyone know if it will be picked up when tennis is over?
Thanks a ton!
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 6, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
my mlb.tv feed is the channel five feed
and they claim that they will be covering both wimbeldon and the cardinals
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
at least it's not blacked out
I thought I’d have to be going to a bar for htis, so I”m happy regardless
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
nope,
105.1 the ames channel washes it away just north of ankeny
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eh
I’m moving to Decatur, IL tomorrow. So today will probably be the last day I won’t be able to listen on the radio
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Miles finally getting the day off
I kinda like the Izturis at SS and Ryan at 2B middle infield
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
Cubs announcer was saying
that it’s nice that Ludwick made the team, because this will probably be the only year he’ll make it. same could be said for Fukudome
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think there is a team in sports that is more overlooked than the Cards
at least in baseball.
unless
he starts sucking really bad
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
wellemeyer
rick horton said before the game that wellemeyer was moving more into the middle of the rubber to get a better angle since his injury. seemed to work that inning.
what did the Cubs do with Marquis?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
I think they just pushed him back a start
because Lou wanted to stack the lefties for this series. they’re carrying like 14 pitchers so they can shuffle ‘em around a bit. Sent down Ascanio when Z was activated. They’re probably be sending Marshall down after this series. That or Gallagher.
I'd send down Gallagher
but hopefully they’ll keep him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Lame Split Screen
on Channel 5
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
that's pretty lame
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
tennis
i am not crazy about it, but the split screen ruins it and the ballgame
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
Even if you did care
You can’t even read the score or anything so what is the point?
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
Cheers to living in Columbia
The KSDK feed is on one channel and Tennis is on another.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
uh...
I guess i’m that one guy. Seriously. Federer, Nadal, third straight meeting in the Wimbledon final? Screw Yanks-Sox. This is the greatest rivalry in sports.
"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."
40 man roster
Haerther is off it
Cards at 39
that includes Rico Washington and Hawksworth who would seem to be the most expendable roster spots.
not sure why we emptied a spot unless we are planning on calling up a pitcher not on the roster
Mo was talking Jaime Garcia about a week back...
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
When exactly is first pitch?
Cause I’m blacked out on TBS and can’t find it on any local channels. I’m extremely confused and I hope I’m not missing the game because, if so, I’m going to be absolutely infuriated. WGN is showing A’s/ChiSox.
prepare to be infuriated
It’s top second right now.
by six on Jul 6, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
except that first down line
in football broadcasts. That’s good technology.
by six on Jul 6, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
How in hell did anyone watch football before that thing?
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
it's like a cell phone
I have no idea how we ever met up with anyone ANYWHERE without being in constant contact walking us through the process.
Remember when we had to figure out where to go and then hope the other person not only figured it out too, but was also on time? Yikes.
Rough times.
I utterly cannot imagine college without a cell phone
How did parties happen? How did you invite people? How did anyone figure out what to do? Now it’s as simple as 3 roommates sending out 100 person mass text messages.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
well...
Back in the day, people actually used to COMMIT to things, instead of waiting utnil the last minute to take the best offer. That last minute crap still pisses me off.
"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."
Wait was commitment??
That thing where you would like know in advance what is going on and then say you’re going to do that and stick to it? I thought websters took that out of the dictionary or something?
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Flyers and talking to people
It was actually nicer, not having people running off and disappearing on porches constantly.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
No one goes to porches
They just yell into their phones right in front of you.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Sometimes I'm really, really happy that I'm a Gen Xer
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I personally enjoy trying to watch three channels at once
As well as having live updated comments to make on blogs.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Yeah
Millenials are awesome. Had to listen to one talk on his cell phone in the movies last night for 5 minutes.
“Naw dude. I’m in the movies. I’ll call ya later.”
Like that douche bag is important.
not only did I not have a cell phone in college
but I didn’t have email either until the veeeeery end. And it was more hastle than anything, because you had to go to the friggin’ library to use a computer hooked up to the internet tubes.
misplay by Ank
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
That ball looks like it should've been caught
but it’s hard to tell on the tiny sliver of a screen KSDK has given us to watch the game
boo cubs, hooray beer
did look like an odd route
not sure if it was catchable though. i actually thought it was Luddy’s ball of the bat, but it looks like he was positioned way over close to the line.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
I dunno...
The games look great on 60” HD ;-)
"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."
Random aside
I’m glad Mather is getting a start. Chris Duncan really doesn’t seem like he’s pulling out of the funk, imo. That and Mather’s a considerably better defender.
Isn’t there some other team in the bigs that needs some LH otufielder? Anyone?
Duncan
Um, lets see LH outfeilder for sale: can’t hit, can’t field.
What would you give um for him?
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I'm not speaking of Duncan specifically
A schumaker trade would work just as well for me. really moving any outfielders would be fine with me (short of Rasmus).
especially if we trade for a corner OF with some pop
would make sense to trade skippy and keep Ankiel and Ludwick
he just fought off break point
in set #5. It’s a great battle.. wouldn’t be surprised to see a 13-11 fifth set or something like that.
"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."
I can't believe he didn't put him away in the tie breaker
I have a feeling he’s going to regret that.
KY3 in Springfield area...
saying the Cards will be joined in progress after Wimbledon? I mean… seriously? Is this a fucking joke? Look, I like tennis too and this is a good matchup, sure. But we’re talking Cards and Cubs… in a town with a Cardinals affiliate… what is going through their heads?
i guarantee you
within the contract they signed to broadcast Wimbledon it wont allow them to go to just the Cards game
No, but they could have MOVED it...
to Ozarks-CW when the game started like they just did, only innings later.
by mynameistyler on Jul 6, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
it sounds like they have been possessed by some kind of nanotechnology interdimensional cyborg
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
it was happening on and off for the whole broadcast
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
edmonds
you know, despite the fact i think larussa was wrong in his response to jimmy’s comments, i think it’s pretty cool that tony’s willing to defend the club and its traditions in public. even if it means pissing people off. Especially since he doesn’t always get such an easy time of it from various outlets.
gallagher is killing me
this “take 30 seconds to just stand there and stare at the batter” thing must end.
Then again, that inning would have lasted all of 2 minutes if he wasn’t doing it, so maybe it’s good to give Welley at least a few minutes to rest…
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
And that whole inning was a blur
due to the Ryan Dempster interview (with a retarded Carlos Zambrano sticking his face in the camera that was about as riveting and exciting as watching paint dry.
I almost swalloed my tongue for entertainment.
ah, I'm lucky
I’ve got the STL feed for once. Shannon just keeps dissing fukudome, which is awesome except that he’s using the wrong stats to do it.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
Still not really a clean hit off of him.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
McEnroe
is cracking me up. He’s so amazed that they’re not more tired.
by six on Jul 6, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i know
as if they haven’t had two or three rain breaks.
not that my fat ass wouldn’t be tired but we’re talking about two world class tennis players who are getting sizable rest periods.
[chuckles]
right, my bad.
PS—Nadal’s top spin is sick. People talk about it but watching it is just unbelievable.
PPS – damn you federer
usually it's either Brennaman or Caray or Martinez or someone else
granted two of those 3 are former cub announcers, but unless it’s Len Kasper and Bob Brenley then they’re not.
roster question
I read earlier that Barton was DL’d (I think), but they’ve added two to the roster (Mather and Iz2), who else went away?
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 6, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm now realizing why people think Skip Caray is a bad announcer
1. he says there’s “no complaint” with fukudome as all star starter
2. Says Rolen, Edmonds, McGwire, and Pujols were all on the same roster. which they weren’t: Rolen wasn’t on until 2002 when McGwire was already gone.
3. failed to point out Reed Johnson was picked off because he was busy talking about crap.
Go Federerererererererer
(just because I’m in an antagonistic mood…and wanted to put way too many “er”s on his name.
Federer doesn't moan like.....well you know
Go Federer.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Welle has been awfully hittable
why did he have to get injured? he was having such a good year :/
boo cubs, hooray beer
Bender (Off-topic)
Until I saw your avatar I never noticed how much bender looks like Homer Simpson.
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Back in the game
Will Albie get us back in the game?
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Ankiel/announcers
“Ankiel has really come into his own, I think, since he started hitting in front of Albert Pujols”
His OPS is currently better in the 3/4/5 holes than the 2 hole…hmmm.
your expectations are pretty high
This is one of only a handful of times all season that these announcers are going to see the Cardinals. There’s no way they’re going to do in depth research like that.
pujols career: .333/.423/.621
pujols career, 2 outs & RISP: .326/.508/.659
he looks the same if you discount IBB. i think that’s because there’s not an appreciable difference in player performance for RISP and non-RISP situations, but you may draw your own conclusions.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
wow...
that pujols foul ball bounced off the wall and almost all the way to reed johnson in centerfield….
he once again refuses to let the pitcher walk him
stop trying to be a hero Pujols
boo cubs, hooray beer
he took it about five feet shy of an opposite field HR
in a pitcher’s park.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
then a 3-2 lead?
He saw the pitch plenty well, he was on it, and it just happened to be shy of a hr and right at a fielder. I ahve trouble complaining about that.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
The ump might have made the wrong call
he saw the ball, he made good, solid contact with it. That’s all you can really ask.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
yeah, looked about 20 feet short to me.
and there’s no way they call that pitch a strike.
Take that pitch, and all it takes is a single by Luddy to tie the game up. Are the odds of a Pujols home run on an OOZ pitch higher than the odds of a Luddy base hit?
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
I'd like to point out that Ankiel caught that ball despite his glasses
It is possible!
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Personally I'd rather not have my vision changed while trying to catch a 3 inch ball from 300 feet away...
I also like having the colors of the sun strategically blocked out while still retaining brightness.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Depends on the lenses
they make ‘em that do all that stuff pretty well. Plus, I hate to squint and since my eyes are extremely sensitive to the sun, it bothers me not to have shades on.
I guess it’s a differnce of preference.
I think we're talking around each other
Shannon went on an outrageous rant last weekend about how the Oakleys suck nuts compared to the old-school flip downs.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Probably as he did with his overall season
sudeenly and spectacularly
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I really wouldn't mind trading izturis.
granted, he is great defensively, I just think we need a bat at SS.
go cards.
I'd rather have a glove at short
Unless we have a cheap option for a ++glove at short that can also hit, I have no problem with Cizturis.
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