Game 89 Overflow
Hmm... I never know quite what to say here.
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You should say...
“What the hell is LaRussa doing starting Schumaker over Barton today??”
because i’d like to know
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
Jul 5, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
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If
I had seen the lineups before I programmed the thread this morning, I totally would have.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
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Gameday shows Edmonds fly out
in some dude’s beer.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
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this game doesn't deserve
an overflow thread so far.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on
Jul 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
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There is no 1 single Cardinals highlight on Gameday
we better fix that next inning.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
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If he doesn't get Soto here
I’m calling a DeRosa double.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
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nah
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
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Lohse = Nails.
Now get some runs you Redbirds.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
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C'MON YOU REDBIRDS
LETS SCORE SOME RUNS
by hoofhearted-pujols on
Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
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I expect 1 solo homer this inning.
Not sure if it will be Albert or Rick. Probably not Glaus.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
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I am still hoping I am wrong.
Almost thought Albert was going to do it for us there, but a little short.
Maybe we can get him in.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
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way to battle there Kyle
Hmm we need a major mojo change here anyone got any ideas?
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
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vodkas packed away....
But after the ank homer might be whiskey time!
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
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templeton rye
An Iowa original. Also the whiskey that Al capone used to drink. Just started bottling it again last year, ran out within 3 months, aged 6 years so might be hard to come by for awhile. Better then crown. If you get to iowa buy a bottle. I could see it becoming huge once their production gets higher.
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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that interview
was hilarious and embarassing all at the same time.
by hoofhearted-pujols on
Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
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I order for us to get some runs this inning
I bring you Fredbird and Ronald ‘Big Mac Land’ McDonald:

by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
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Yes!
Damn, when he connects, he connects. Brilliant
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
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How about Ankiel for NL All-star over Fukudome!!
by KYCards on
Jul 5, 2008 5:35 PM EDT
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Anyone else notice that Rick
is in the ASG commercial on Fox?
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
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yeah
I thought that was weird
by hoofhearted-pujols on
Jul 5, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
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Yeah, I was wondering if it was a Regional or National commerical.
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by rocKStark5 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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that is a strech
but if fuku is going to be there why not ank
by hoofhearted-pujols on
Jul 5, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
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Albert's double
hit the Hilton on Gameday.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
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Karros is right here.
Most important thing is to get Pujols to third.
I was almost thinking about Glaus bunting.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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Like i said
a slump is coming on for him.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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You have no clue what you're talking about
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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I hope so.
I don’t want to see Glaus in a slump either. But, that is just how it looks to me.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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Glaus = Hat Trick
Ludwick/Molina for 2008 All-Star team.
by tangledbrett on
Jul 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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Nice SB
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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Albert stole 3rd?
Fly ball please!
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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ladies and gentlmen Albert just stole third
AWESOME!!!
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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Tie Game!!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on
Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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It's a game folks!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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And still threatening
ALL HAIL FREDBIRD AND RONALD MCDONALD!
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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we can’t have chick picks, but you’ve gotta hold onto that one
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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*since we can't you've gotta hold onto that one:P
came out wrong
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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rally Ronald Mcdonald....
better then a rally monkey
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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Now, productive AB, let's see if we can get a lead
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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Ludwick
is back?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on
Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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Pujols going to third
really took the pressure off Ludwick – who then delivered.
NICE job Albert.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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Now, if you would have predicted an INFIELD hit, then I would have been impressed.
2 infield hits in 2 days for Molina
Amazing.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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23 doubles
57 RBI for Ludwick. Hard to believe those numbers when you consider the monster slump he’s been in.
by MichiganBird on
Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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umm thats 2 infield hits this week for molina
Is the world ending next week?
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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LOL
Nice running Yadi
that was like “Major League Baseball”, catcher beats it out.
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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(yes, i know the ball was never thrown)
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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Another infield single?
Yamo with the wheels!
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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Two infield hits on consecutive days?
(Puts on tinfoil hat)
by notmorganfreeman on
Jul 5, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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wasn't an error
if he was out on a throw it would have been close. perfectly placed hit
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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Do it for America
Do it for Fredbird!
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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Just don't hit into a double play Kennedy.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
don’t jinx him
by hoofhearted-pujols on
Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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Is there a big gaping hole
in AK’s pants? Or did I see that wrong?
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by CurtainCall on
Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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nah, that's his mangina eating his pants.
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by rocKStark5 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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Sigh
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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I would have liked to see the squeeze
there. Where did you go, Crazy Tony?
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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i do have to give eric karros some credit
he did say we would have a good inning if the first batter started it off
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:48 PM EDT
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i was jsut going to say with kennedy
he should squeeze
by cowcards on
Jul 5, 2008 5:48 PM EDT
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please just find your way to the dl for the rest of the year kennedy
or for the rest of your contract. either is fine with me.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
Jul 5, 2008 5:48 PM EDT
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I don't understand why second baseman suck so much.
It is not that tough of a position. I don’t understand why there are not more Jeff Kents out there.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
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I don't understand
how Kennedy sucked there – he was better than Glaus.
by enoscountry on
Jul 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT
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come on
you know that was hit on the nose and is it his fault Molina runs in front of him?
by enoscountry on
Jul 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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a dp is better than a k? really clark?
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by Raconteur on
Jul 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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a ball in play
is always better than a K
by enoscountry on
Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
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probabilistically speaking
not really, AK hits the ball in play what’s the chances of a DP vs. the chance Lohse gets a hit (<.100 AVG)?
by enoscountry on
Jul 5, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
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except if lohse gets up
you pinch hit for him, its its a strike out then probably at worst a .250 hitter
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:58 PM EDT
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maybe
but still, overall, the chances of scoring are higher if you hit the ball in play with runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out than if you have a .250 hitter come to the play with 2 outs – even with the chance of a DP.
To say Kennedy messed up because he hitting the ball on the nose seems wrong.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
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i'm not disagreeing
I was just going to change your numbers. To be fair to actually compare the 2 outcomes probabilistically you have to figure in a lot more numbers then just lohses batting average.
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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Exhibit A:
Yadi’s infield single this inning.
Should have been an easy play, and yet…
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by CurtainCall on
Jul 5, 2008 5:53 PM EDT
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compare more than one day shall we?
one game shouldn’t be used to compare those two..
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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because it's where your weaker players generally play
guys without good arms generally play second base, and generally guys without good arms lack power.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
Jul 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT
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Right, but can't we play Barton there or something?
There has to be good hitters in the league that are not playing that could handle second base.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
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Who is pitching the 7th?
They aren’t going to make a hero out of Lohse, are they?
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
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Oh great
they are. Cue Footnote with a HR.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT
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Lohse is now 'the Ace'
with Wainwright out, so TLR tries to make a hero out of them.
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if he wasnt up this inning
i think he woulda taken him out
by cowcards on
Jul 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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he is up in the next inning if i'm not mistaken
so you get him through 7 you can pinch hit and not have to use 2 players on a double switch.
You can’t waste players in a tie game.
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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Kennedy had a nice play there.
Miles wouldn’t have gotten that vertical for it IMO
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
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Nice inning Lohse
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Thank goodness
according to Gameday, Footnote hit that one on top of the wall.
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Jul 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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lol, no where close
- about 50 ft
the one kennedy caught was ripped and kennedy got a great jump to snag it though.
the last out was pretty easy
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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lets make kyle a winner
Get a run and hope our bullpen can get 6 outs
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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Bravo, Kyle Lohse.
7 innings, 2 R against these guys? I’ll take it. Now the rest of you, score some friggin runs.
by fuegophil on
Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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can't complain about Lohse's outing
lets get some runs
by vances law on
Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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fukadome
is not an all star outfielder… a lot of others should be starting over him
by 916baller on
Jul 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
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its like that every year though
neither is griffey and few more
by cowcards on
Jul 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
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Right
That is why they call it the All “Star” game, and not the MVP Game or something like that.
There are a lot of “stars” that are not good players. Griffy is a good example, as is 1/2 of the Yankees team.
by Egyptian on
Jul 5, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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some people voting
ill just vote name recognition.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on
Jul 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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thats what happens when you let fans vote
they vote for whoever is on the their favorite team and not the ones that deserve it
by cowcards on
Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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You mean Adam Kennedy is not the best 2B in the NL?
Blasphemy.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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u suggesting
We have some sort of electoral college for the all star game? Cause that could work.
go cards.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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It's going to be real ironic next year
MSM will have to acknowledge St. Louis due to the AS game.
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jul 5, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
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umm Franklin
Did I miss something here? he is still our closer correct?
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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I though McClellan was warming up earlier. Bizarre,
by notmorganfreeman on
Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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i was wondering the samething
y not mcclellan or mayeb perez
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Jul 5, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
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Izturis is supposedly back tomorrow
what move are they going to make? it seems like it would be a pitcher, right?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on
Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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adam kennedy?
just saying…..
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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Franklin in the 8th?
Wow, your closer to face the heart of the order? Ya know, that almost makes sense.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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close :) if the closer were the best pitcher in the pen i’d be all over it, but in this case we’ve got k-mac, perez, isringhausen, villone, springer, worrell, and even jiminez ahead of franklin in xFIP and springer, k-mac, and villone ahead in FIP.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
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Jul 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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Why is FIP the best way to determine this?
Why not just use HR/9 and WHIP? After all, all of these guys are throwing in front of the same defense.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Jul 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
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HRs allowed has been shown to be a property of FBs allowed; pitchers in general allow about 11%-12% of their outfield flies to convert to home runs, and significant deviations are believed to be the result of variance as opposed to pitcher skill.
WHIP does not distinguish between baserunners that were allowed as hits or walks. the latter can have blame squarely shared with the pitcher, the former can have a tendency to be more impacted by variance (e.g. 90% or 60% of a given pitcher’s line drives temporarily falling for hits as opposed to the standard that is closer to 75%).
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on
Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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But FIP doesn't use LD rates and FB rates or any of that
and it doesn’t factor balls put in play. When we’re trying to evaluate pitchers independently of the defense behind them, but in this case, we’re way more concerned about the defense + pitcher than we are concerned about independently measuring the pitcher
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
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Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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in this case, we’re way more concerned about the defense + pitcher than we are concerned about independently measuring the pitcher
why would that be the case? the defense is a relative constant, but the pitcher isn’t.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
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Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
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If a pitcher gets a lot of groundballs, we know that those will get gobbled up by our infield
Something that wouldn’t be the case if that pitcher played for another team. But FIP doesn’t care about GB/FB rates, and is sensitive to the insane ER rules for relievers. We are way more concerned about how our relievers play in front of our defense than we are about how they’d perform with the Phillies. So what’s the point of taking the influence that our defense has on our pitchers out of the equation?
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by Valatan on
Jul 5, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
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FIP factors only BB, K, and HR. it does not have any concept of earned runs, so i’m not sure what you’re referencing when you say that it’s senstive to ER rules or relievers; the input formula is constant, so comparing relievers to relievers using the same standard should produce results that are fair to contrast.
defense, like many things in baseball, takes a long time to normalize. even though one has the same defense, and presumably defense of a known quantity, there will be variation from play to play similar to the variation between plate appearances for statistically predictable hitters. given the already short sample sizes for relief pitchers, i would be loathe to introduce more noisy variables to the equation.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on
Jul 5, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
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Suck
Patiently awaiting Mulder's return, circa 2012
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Jul 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
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+1 of course
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
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Jul 5, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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You wonder why Tony doesn't do that more often?
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because it moves guys into unexpected roles.
is franklin our best bet against those guys? don’t know, but he is out of place. i would go along with this “high leverage” use of the closer, it it wasn’t franklin. i just don’t see him that as that much better than springer, perez, or kmac. since he’s not, i’d have left him to the 9th if we needed him. not just hindsight, but he’s an ex-set-up man now and it kind of speaks poorly of the regular guys who would have pitched “normally” in the 8th.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jul 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
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so can we get a pitching change
Franklin is killing me…..
and my fantasy team.
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by cyko42 on
Jul 5, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
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Is Tony drunk?
why the hell would you bring in Franklin there? What happened to only using Franklin in a save situation Tony? Remember those extra inning games you gave away by using Parisi over Franklin?
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Jul 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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The walk rates are back up this year
he’s not getting as many groundballs and poof—the magician that was Ryan Franklin turns into a pumpkin. With a 4.15 FIP.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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Oh well
4.5 games, here we come. Lets hope Milwaukee loses
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Jul 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
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Would it be to much to ask
for Springer there in a tie game, he only had 13 pithes last night & hes been the only one who hasnt put guys on base lately?
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Jul 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
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Well, that was nice
Patiently awaiting Mulder's return, circa 2012
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Jul 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
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nice throw luddy
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Jul 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
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That sounded awesome on the radio
I’m so glad I didn’t get a chance to see it, FOX
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
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Jul 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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No kidding...
I’m sure everyone here in Central Texas would rather watch Yanks/Sox than Cards/Cubs…
"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart
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Jul 5, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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A pork chop appearance.
Bernie calling Ward a pork chop was one of the most accurate descriptions ever.
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If you had told me we'd hold the Cubs to 6 runs over the first 2 games
and that we’d lose both games, i’d of been shocked.
boo cubs, hooray beer
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Jul 5, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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and all of those runs weren’t loud
hell the two hr’s today were within the first three rows
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Jul 5, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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i'd go for disappointed,
but unfortunately not shocked. zammy (he’s good and obviously recovered) and lilly (because he’s a lefty) spell trouble for our guys.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
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Jul 5, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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With the Cubs going to Wrigley taking on the Reds & Giants
after shutting us down …will this be where they start to run away with the Central?
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Jul 5, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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let them "run away"
we need to focus on getting to 20 games over .500 and put pressure on the cubs and the WC contenders in the process.
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agree
are best bet is wild card – especially with our injuries – it would be nice, but I can wait to beat them until the playoffs.
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I'm sure I'll get hammered for saying this
but I have a feeling our wild card hopes are going to fade away soon. I hope I’m wrong…I really do. But we are just not playing like a wild card contender….even though our record right now says different.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
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we're not playing like a wild card contender right now
ask the brewers if they were playing like a contender a month a go….
It’s a long season. lets battle through the all star break. Take a week off and go from there
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Jul 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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if we get out of DL hell
which is what we’ve had for a month or so, we have a shot to do anything we’d like.
looking at our guys now and using that as a snapshot to what’s to come isn’t giving the team justice.
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and we're
having our “2 and 3” starters hold the Cubs down to 6 runs over two, nothing to complain about.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
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In the horrid NL
we ARE playing like a wild card contender. This league is awful.
boo cubs, hooray beer
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Jul 5, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
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+1
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Foot insert into mouth..
Good thing is when I tend to be negative…good things happens!!
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20 games over .500 = 102 wins
If we’re still in second place after that, the NLCS against the cubs is gonna be fun
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It would be fun
but we will need to figure out how to hit Zambrano & Lilly if we can get there.
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102? 91
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Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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oh, sorry, I read that as 20 WINS above .500
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Jul 5, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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ah, no dramas
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Jul 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
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It would b sooooooo nice
to have a guy in the BP that could come in & go 1-2-3 late in the game against the heart of a teams lineup like Marmol just did, even though he has been somewhat hittable lately. They couldve been a little more patient though, I guess.
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we have a couple
they just weren’t the ones picked to pitch :)
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we've got guys who have done that this year,
(reyes, springer, kmac), but not as consistent as you need.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
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Too much nibbling
by ALL of the pitchers this year.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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nice job by K-Mac
too bad he didn’t come in to start the 8th like he should have.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on
Jul 5, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
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Duncan or Kennedy
may need to be the guys who win it for us.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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kudos to luddy
for being patient whern we needed it
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by sportsman on
Jul 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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where is
Rally Fredbird/Ronald?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
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I try not to do this often
but i’m putting this loss (assuming we don’t comeback) on TLR. From a highly questionable lineup, to yet another horrible bullpen decision, he really cost us today
The guy is still a great manager, and the reason we are even in this race, but today was not his finest hour.
boo cubs, hooray beer
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Jul 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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if we do comeback
does he get the credit?
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Jul 5, 2008 6:40 PM EDT
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wow cards got a break?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
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Albert
is cracking me up from the dugout!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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Jul 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
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whats he doing?
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Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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He (and I think Izturis) were just really into Molina's AB
throwing signals and cheering. Then he was running through the dugout when AK got his double. He’s definitely into this game. Great to see.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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put in Duncan now
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
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kennedy shakes off his normal DP
and goes yard..
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to put this in perspective
wood has only issued nine (9) walks this year in 42.7 IP for 2008 while striking out 54.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
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Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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weren't most of those in April too
I remember that game against the Brewers had 2 or so.
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Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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mlb.tv
...i hate you. i’m blacked out for this game and it’s not on TV here.
...basically.
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Yeah Baby!!!
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AK!!!
nice piece of hitting there, bro.
...basically.
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OK dUNC
SAC FLY
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Wood shoulda pitched to Duncan over Skip IMO
Skip and that heat should meld well
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thank you for walking ‘em loaded, lou!!
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
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if we do comeback
im sure he will get some for the “never give up” attitude
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I'll take a sac fly for 100 alex
but hero skippy, will probably do something stupid like a granny
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Just hit a sac fly
please
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make him throw a stirke..
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+1000000000000
Sac fly from Skip then let the others worry about the winning run
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why is molina still on the damn bases
pinch runner tony, pinch runner
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ya
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
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if TLR had pinch run for Molina during the Kennedy at bat
(which he should have) this game would be tied already.
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he did last night
why not today
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is mike rooting for the cubs?
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Grr
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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I guess that should have been
Grr…it!
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Grit time!
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grits....
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if he hits into a DP I'm going to vomit
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i may toss my laptop
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it's all up to Mighty Miles
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
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This is too much stress for July
Damn Cubs
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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can no one hit the ball into the bloddy outfield?!?!?!
this is what happens when over half your lineup is just slap hitters
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Rick will strikeout
boo cubs, hooray beer
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I AM ALWAYS WRONG, YES
boo cubs, hooray beer
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That's the good thing about being a pessimist...
You’re either always right or pleasantly surprised.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
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Game!
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Rick!!!!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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Wow...
I have no faith in Ank’s bat after the 7th inning…but we’ll see…
...basically.
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lol
don’t blame ya tho’
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Player of the Game
Before the game ends? How
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New Player of the Game
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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Holy Shit Rick
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YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
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pardon my french
But FUCK YA!!!!!!!!!
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times two
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Fucking slow Gameday
What Happened???
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Thanks
Awesome…my gameday is still frozen…
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2 Run Single
Duncan scored the winning run despite a weak throw from center field to the plate.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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and whooooo was that CF
Edmonds, lol
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Hehe
I admit, I relished that a bit
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OMG, cards pull it out
You may send an outline of my new assignment to the mental ward at Charity Hospital. The solicitious nuns and psychiatrists there can help me decipher it between shock treatments.
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that was a lot more stressful than it needed to be
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ya still agree there should have been a pinch runner
but ah well
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The weird thing is that tony made the correct decision about that last night
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
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But the finish was even sweeter because of it....
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But just tell me you didn't get up and scream "YES!" or some variant.
That’s always fun.
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I'll take a stressful win over a boring loss anyday
YEAH RICK!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
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thats what made it so head scratching is that he did it last night
it seems like a no brainer, yet he didnt do it, and it could have been disasterous..hind sight i guess
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Ankiel is such a choker.
A real Clutch player would have hit the walk off grand Salomi.
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Oh good...
We get to watch the end of the Sawks/Yanks….
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
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It's about time...
for an Ankiel walk-off base knock! He really really wants that All-Star selection doesn’t he?
...basically.
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Holy Shit
I mean, wow.
That game had epic written all over it.
Two runs score off of rick, who sucks post 7th inning, sucks with RISP and high leverage, the hit went to Edmonds of all people
wow.
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I guess we're even for last nights BS ump calls. Yadi's check swing and the ball to Skip.
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I can't believe what I just saw
man, does that statement ever fit what I saw right there.
Rick Ankiel, captain anti-clutch this year, comes through
boo cubs, hooray beer
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amen brotha!
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