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Hmm... I never know quite what to say here.

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“What the hell is LaRussa doing starting Schumaker over Barton today??”

because i’d like to know

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If

I had seen the lineups before I programmed the thread this morning, I totally would have.

Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?

by the red baron on Jul 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ditto ludwick out last night vs RHP and in today vs LHP :(

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this game doesn't deserve

an overflow thread so far.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nah

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect 1 solo homer this inning.

Not sure if it will be Albert or Rick. Probably not Glaus.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am still hoping I am wrong.

Almost thought Albert was going to do it for us there, but a little short.

Maybe we can get him in.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

way to battle there Kyle

Hmm we need a major mojo change here anyone got any ideas?

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

vodkas packed away....

But after the ank homer might be whiskey time!

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

templeton rye

An Iowa original. Also the whiskey that Al capone used to drink. Just started bottling it again last year, ran out within 3 months, aged 6 years so might be hard to come by for awhile. Better then crown. If you get to iowa buy a bottle. I could see it becoming huge once their production gets higher.

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that interview

was hilarious and embarassing all at the same time.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

Damn, when he connects, he connects. Brilliant

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Karros is right here.

Most important thing is to get Pujols to third.

I was almost thinking about Glaus bunting.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like i said

a slump is coming on for him.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so.

I don’t want to see Glaus in a slump either. But, that is just how it looks to me.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glaus = Hat Trick

Ludwick/Molina for 2008 All-Star team.

by tangledbrett on Jul 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice SB

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ladies and gentlmen Albert just stole third

AWESOME!!!

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tie Game!!

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a game folks!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we can’t have chick picks, but you’ve gotta hold onto that one

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*since we can't you've gotta hold onto that one:P

came out wrong

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rally Ronald Mcdonald....

better then a rally monkey

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice workluddy

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now, productive AB, let's see if we can get a lead

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ludwick

is back?

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols going to third

really took the pressure off Ludwick – who then delivered.

NICE job Albert.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

23 doubles

57 RBI for Ludwick. Hard to believe those numbers when you consider the monster slump he’s been in.

by MichiganBird on Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

umm thats 2 infield hits this week for molina

Is the world ending next week?

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Nice running Yadi

that was like “Major League Baseball”, catcher beats it out.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

(yes, i know the ball was never thrown)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn't an error

if he was out on a throw it would have been close. perfectly placed hit

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a big gaping hole

in AK’s pants? Or did I see that wrong?

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nah, that's his mangina eating his pants.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i do have to give eric karros some credit

he did say we would have a good inning if the first batter started it off

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please just find your way to the dl for the rest of the year kennedy

or for the rest of your contract. either is fine with me.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why second baseman suck so much.

It is not that tough of a position. I don’t understand why there are not more Jeff Kents out there.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

how Kennedy sucked there – he was better than Glaus.

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a ball in play

is always better than a K

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probabilistically speaking

not really, AK hits the ball in play what’s the chances of a DP vs. the chance Lohse gets a hit (<.100 AVG)?

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

except if lohse gets up

you pinch hit for him, its its a strike out then probably at worst a .250 hitter

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

but still, overall, the chances of scoring are higher if you hit the ball in play with runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out than if you have a .250 hitter come to the play with 2 outs – even with the chance of a DP.

To say Kennedy messed up because he hitting the ball on the nose seems wrong.

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not disagreeing

I was just going to change your numbers. To be fair to actually compare the 2 outcomes probabilistically you have to figure in a lot more numbers then just lohses batting average.

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exhibit A:

Yadi’s infield single this inning.

Should have been an easy play, and yet…

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

compare more than one day shall we?

one game shouldn’t be used to compare those two..

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because it's where your weaker players generally play

guys without good arms generally play second base, and generally guys without good arms lack power.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but can't we play Barton there or something?

There has to be good hitters in the league that are not playing that could handle second base.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is up in the next inning if i'm not mistaken

so you get him through 7 you can pinch hit and not have to use 2 players on a double switch.
You can’t waste players in a tie game.

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy had a nice play there.

Miles wouldn’t have gotten that vertical for it IMO

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice inning Lohse

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness

according to Gameday, Footnote hit that one on top of the wall.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, no where close

- about 50 ft

the one kennedy caught was ripped and kennedy got a great jump to snag it though.

the last out was pretty easy

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets make kyle a winner

Get a run and hope our bullpen can get 6 outs

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bravo, Kyle Lohse.

7 innings, 2 R against these guys? I’ll take it. Now the rest of you, score some friggin runs.

by fuegophil on Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

Pitchers have done their part.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fukadome

is not an all star outfielder… a lot of others should be starting over him

by 916baller on Jul 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its like that every year though

neither is griffey and few more

by cowcards on Jul 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

That is why they call it the All “Star” game, and not the MVP Game or something like that.

There are a lot of “stars” that are not good players. Griffy is a good example, as is 1/2 of the Yankees team.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some people voting

ill just vote name recognition.

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what happens when you let fans vote

they vote for whoever is on the their favorite team and not the ones that deserve it

by cowcards on Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

u suggesting

We have some sort of electoral college for the all star game? Cause that could work.

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 5, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's going to be real ironic next year

MSM will have to acknowledge St. Louis due to the AS game.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

umm Franklin

Did I miss something here? he is still our closer correct?

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was wondering the samething

y not mcclellan or mayeb perez

by cowcards on Jul 5, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izturis is supposedly back tomorrow

what move are they going to make? it seems like it would be a pitcher, right?

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

adam kennedy?

just saying…..

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin in the 8th?

Wow, your closer to face the heart of the order? Ya know, that almost makes sense.

by fuegophil on Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

close :) if the closer were the best pitcher in the pen i’d be all over it, but in this case we’ve got k-mac, perez, isringhausen, villone, springer, worrell, and even jiminez ahead of franklin in xFIP and springer, k-mac, and villone ahead in FIP.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is FIP the best way to determine this?

Why not just use HR/9 and WHIP? After all, all of these guys are throwing in front of the same defense.

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by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HRs allowed has been shown to be a property of FBs allowed; pitchers in general allow about 11%-12% of their outfield flies to convert to home runs, and significant deviations are believed to be the result of variance as opposed to pitcher skill.

WHIP does not distinguish between baserunners that were allowed as hits or walks. the latter can have blame squarely shared with the pitcher, the former can have a tendency to be more impacted by variance (e.g. 90% or 60% of a given pitcher’s line drives temporarily falling for hits as opposed to the standard that is closer to 75%).

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But FIP doesn't use LD rates and FB rates or any of that

and it doesn’t factor balls put in play. When we’re trying to evaluate pitchers independently of the defense behind them, but in this case, we’re way more concerned about the defense + pitcher than we are concerned about independently measuring the pitcher

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by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in this case, we’re way more concerned about the defense + pitcher than we are concerned about independently measuring the pitcher

why would that be the case? the defense is a relative constant, but the pitcher isn’t.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a pitcher gets a lot of groundballs, we know that those will get gobbled up by our infield

Something that wouldn’t be the case if that pitcher played for another team. But FIP doesn’t care about GB/FB rates, and is sensitive to the insane ER rules for relievers. We are way more concerned about how our relievers play in front of our defense than we are about how they’d perform with the Phillies. So what’s the point of taking the influence that our defense has on our pitchers out of the equation?

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by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIP factors only BB, K, and HR. it does not have any concept of earned runs, so i’m not sure what you’re referencing when you say that it’s senstive to ER rules or relievers; the input formula is constant, so comparing relievers to relievers using the same standard should produce results that are fair to contrast.

defense, like many things in baseball, takes a long time to normalize. even though one has the same defense, and presumably defense of a known quantity, there will be variation from play to play similar to the variation between plate appearances for statistically predictable hitters. given the already short sample sizes for relief pitchers, i would be loathe to introduce more noisy variables to the equation.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suck

Patiently awaiting Mulder's return, circa 2012

by bjork24 on Jul 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 of course

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because it moves guys into unexpected roles.

is franklin our best bet against those guys? don’t know, but he is out of place. i would go along with this “high leverage” use of the closer, it it wasn’t franklin. i just don’t see him that as that much better than springer, perez, or kmac. since he’s not, i’d have left him to the 9th if we needed him. not just hindsight, but he’s an ex-set-up man now and it kind of speaks poorly of the regular guys who would have pitched “normally” in the 8th.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

why? :(

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so can we get a pitching change

Franklin is killing me…..
and my fantasy team.

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Tony drunk?

why the hell would you bring in Franklin there? What happened to only using Franklin in a save situation Tony? Remember those extra inning games you gave away by using Parisi over Franklin?

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The walk rates are back up this year

he’s not getting as many groundballs and poof—the magician that was Ryan Franklin turns into a pumpkin. With a 4.15 FIP.

by azruavatar on Jul 5, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh well

4.5 games, here we come. Lets hope Milwaukee loses

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Would it be to much to ask

for Springer there in a tie game, he only had 13 pithes last night & hes been the only one who hasnt put guys on base lately?

by buzzburton33 on Jul 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, that was nice

Patiently awaiting Mulder's return, circa 2012

by bjork24 on Jul 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice throw luddy

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Luddy even double clutched there.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Should have struck out.

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That sounded awesome on the radio

I’m so glad I didn’t get a chance to see it, FOX

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by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding...

I’m sure everyone here in Central Texas would rather watch Yanks/Sox than Cards/Cubs…

"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart

by iron duke75 on Jul 5, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A pork chop appearance.

Bernie calling Ward a pork chop was one of the most accurate descriptions ever.

by Egyptian on Jul 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you had told me we'd hold the Cubs to 6 runs over the first 2 games

and that we’d lose both games, i’d of been shocked.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and all of those runs weren’t loud

hell the two hr’s today were within the first three rows

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd go for disappointed,

but unfortunately not shocked. zammy (he’s good and obviously recovered) and lilly (because he’s a lefty) spell trouble for our guys.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

zammy?

can we please not give pet names to our enemies pitchers? :P

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the Cubs going to Wrigley taking on the Reds & Giants

after shutting us down …will this be where they start to run away with the Central?

by KYCards on Jul 5, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let them "run away"

we need to focus on getting to 20 games over .500 and put pressure on the cubs and the WC contenders in the process.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

are best bet is wild card – especially with our injuries – it would be nice, but I can wait to beat them until the playoffs.

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure I'll get hammered for saying this

but I have a feeling our wild card hopes are going to fade away soon. I hope I’m wrong…I really do. But we are just not playing like a wild card contender….even though our record right now says different.

by KYCards on Jul 5, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we're not playing like a wild card contender right now

ask the brewers if they were playing like a contender a month a go….
It’s a long season. lets battle through the all star break. Take a week off and go from there

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by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we get out of DL hell

which is what we’ve had for a month or so, we have a shot to do anything we’d like.

looking at our guys now and using that as a snapshot to what’s to come isn’t giving the team justice.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and we're

having our “2 and 3” starters hold the Cubs down to 6 runs over two, nothing to complain about.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the horrid NL

we ARE playing like a wild card contender. This league is awful.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Foot insert into mouth..

Good thing is when I tend to be negative…good things happens!!

by KYCards on Jul 5, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

20 games over .500 = 102 wins

If we’re still in second place after that, the NLCS against the cubs is gonna be fun

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by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be fun

but we will need to figure out how to hit Zambrano & Lilly if we can get there.

by KYCards on Jul 5, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

102? 91

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, sorry, I read that as 20 WINS above .500

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by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, no dramas

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would b sooooooo nice

to have a guy in the BP that could come in & go 1-2-3 late in the game against the heart of a teams lineup like Marmol just did, even though he has been somewhat hittable lately. They couldve been a little more patient though, I guess.

by buzzburton33 on Jul 5, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we have a couple

they just weren’t the ones picked to pitch :)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we've got guys who have done that this year,

(reyes, springer, kmac), but not as consistent as you need.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Too much nibbling

by ALL of the pitchers this year.

by buzzburton33 on Jul 5, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice job by K-Mac

too bad he didn’t come in to start the 8th like he should have.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan or Kennedy

may need to be the guys who win it for us.

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

kudos to luddy

for being patient whern we needed it

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

where is

Rally Fredbird/Ronald?

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I try not to do this often

but i’m putting this loss (assuming we don’t comeback) on TLR. From a highly questionable lineup, to yet another horrible bullpen decision, he really cost us today

The guy is still a great manager, and the reason we are even in this race, but today was not his finest hour.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if we do comeback

does he get the credit?

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

out thinking himself more so then the opposition

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow cards got a break?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Albert

is cracking me up from the dugout!

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whats he doing?

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by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He (and I think Izturis) were just really into Molina's AB

throwing signals and cheering. Then he was running through the dugout when AK got his double. He’s definitely into this game. Great to see.

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

put in Duncan now

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

kennedy shakes off his normal DP

and goes yard..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to put this in perspective

wood has only issued nine (9) walks this year in 42.7 IP for 2008 while striking out 54.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

weren't most of those in April too

I remember that game against the Brewers had 2 or so.

by enoscountry on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mlb.tv

...i hate you. i’m blacked out for this game and it’s not on TV here.

...basically.

by Epic on Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Baby!!!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AK!!!

nice piece of hitting there, bro.

...basically.

by Epic on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK dUNC

SAC FLY

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wood shoulda pitched to Duncan over Skip IMO

Skip and that heat should meld well

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you for walking ‘em loaded, lou!!

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if we do comeback

im sure he will get some for the “never give up” attitude

by cowcards on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a sac fly for 100 alex

but hero skippy, will probably do something stupid like a granny

New Member of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just hit a sac fly

please

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by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

make him throw a stirke..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000000000

Sac fly from Skip then let the others worry about the winning run

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

gotta catch’em before you can pass’em

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if TLR had pinch run for Molina during the Kennedy at bat

(which he should have) this game would be tied already.

by azruavatar on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he did last night

why not today

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by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is mike rooting for the cubs?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Grr

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess that should have been

Grr…it!

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grit time!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

grits....

New Member of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i may toss my laptop

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's all up to Mighty Miles

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is too much stress for July

Damn Cubs

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can no one hit the ball into the bloddy outfield?!?!?!

this is what happens when over half your lineup is just slap hitters

by azruavatar on Jul 5, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rick will strikeout

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the good thing about being a pessimist...

You’re either always right or pleasantly surprised.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG CLUTCH

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Game!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rick!!!!

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

I have no faith in Ank’s bat after the 7th inning…but we’ll see…

...basically.

by Epic on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shutting up.

...basically.

by Epic on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

don’t blame ya tho’

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Player of the Game

Before the game ends? How

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

New Player of the Game
24!!!!

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy Shit Rick

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pardon my french

But FUCK YA!!!!!!!!!

New Member of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by cyko42 on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

times two

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fucking slow Gameday

What Happened???

"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart

by iron duke75 on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Awesome…my gameday is still frozen…

"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart

by iron duke75 on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 Run Single

Duncan scored the winning run despite a weak throw from center field to the plate.

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and whooooo was that CF

Edmonds, lol

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehe

I admit, I relished that a bit

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG, cards pull it out

You may send an outline of my new assignment to the mental ward at Charity Hospital. The solicitious nuns and psychiatrists there can help me decipher it between shock treatments.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ya still agree there should have been a pinch runner

but ah well

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The weird thing is that tony made the correct decision about that last night

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a stressful win over a boring loss anyday

YEAH RICK!

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what made it so head scratching is that he did it last night

it seems like a no brainer, yet he didnt do it, and it could have been disasterous..hind sight i guess

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel is such a choker.

A real Clutch player would have hit the walk off grand Salomi.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh good...

We get to watch the end of the Sawks/Yanks….

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's about time...

for an Ankiel walk-off base knock! He really really wants that All-Star selection doesn’t he?

...basically.

by Epic on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy Shit

I mean, wow.

That game had epic written all over it.

Two runs score off of rick, who sucks post 7th inning, sucks with RISP and high leverage, the hit went to Edmonds of all people

wow.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess we're even for last nights BS ump calls. Yadi's check swing and the ball to Skip.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe what I just saw

man, does that statement ever fit what I saw right there.

Rick Ankiel, captain anti-clutch this year, comes through

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

amen brotha!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just look at my avatar...

and substitute their heads for Rick Ankiel and Kerry Wood respectively.

...basically.

by Epic on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trolls show up here in 3... 2.... 1...

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're eating their young, actually.

I’ve never in my life seen so many fans of one team turn on other fans of that same team so ferociously than Northsiders.

by tinstl on Jul 5, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so I almost turned my computer off

because I thought Miles made the final out. guess that’s what happens when I can’t see the game on TV.

huge win!

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i turned on the last inning for a

why the heck not listen to it thing…and rewarded

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy Duncan took an eternity

to get himself home. At least it seemed that way. Great slide!

by Red in Chicago on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

speaking of yanks sox

rivera doing his best izzy

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ya me too

but i was referring to the way they finished the game…he took the hill 2-0, they won 2-1 and i think the bases were jammed…

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 5, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was watching that

same situation as us…down 2 in the ninth and then score 1 and have the bases loaded with 0 outs but they couldnt get the other run across

by cowcards on Jul 5, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game

of

the

year!

Who says Rick can’t produce in the late innings!

by cloistermaximus on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

people that put false patterns to random distribution of data.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol you may/may not believe in clutch but it's surely not ignorance

considering how many SABR studies have been done for both sides….well it’s certainly ignorance if you believe it one way or another without reading the studies.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

given the data we have so far, i support his words as written without ignorance or sarcasm.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the #'s and from what i've seen of Ankiel this year

Their is every reason to believe he will not come through in the clutch. lboros (i think it was him, might’ve been one of the other contributors), did a blog entry on how abysmal Ankiel is after the 7th inning.

In late and close situations this year he’s hitting: .087
In innings 7-9 he’s hitting: .132
In high leverage situations he’s hitting .224

Now, I realize those aren’t huge sample sizes, but I think it’s fair to say that those #’s combined with viewing his at bats and seeing how bad he often looks in those situations, give people a legitimate reason to believe at this point in his career, Rick Ankiel is not a clutch player.

I apologizing for using the word ignorance though Stark, I thought you were completely discrediting all stats as “false patterns to a random distribution of data” but that’s not the case.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but if it's just a mental approach thing

then, in principle, it’s soemthign that’s correctable, especially for a player with this little experience hitting in the bigs.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 5, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't saying it's not fixable

I do believe that as he matures as a hitter, he can overcome the problem. I’m just saying, as of right now, their is substance to the belief that Rick Ankiel doesn’t come through late in games.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will give credit to performance stats such as late & close, specific innings, or high leverage if a number of players are shown to have consistently elevated or suppressed results in those contexts from a year-to-year basis, denoting specific skill or failure. in absence of that consistency, i see no option other than to call it trivia or noise.

you claim this to be a discredit to the stats, but not all stats are designed in such a way that necessarily deserve credit. wins and losses for starting pitchers, for example, or as a more extreme example to consider what one might have eaten for breakfast before a given game. if recorded properly, they are valid statistics but it doesn’t mean that they’re also meaningful.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

like I said ignorance was a harsh word, and I misinterpreted what rockStark meant. It’s a stupid argument anyways, Ankiel came through, we beat the Cubs and all is right in St. Louis.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 5, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the win is what matters :)

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jul 5, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope, not dismissing stats

I used to believe in clutch after playing sports all my life, however, after reading all the studies done for and against clutch hitting there’s a better chance of me believing in the tooth fairy.

Like I said in my fanpost, I can flip a quarter X amount of times and come up with all sorts of fun patterns that are caused by standard deviation.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully this will be a back-breaker for the Cubbies

would have been tough for us to stomach down one, bases loaded, no out and not win
gotts be a gut wrenching loss for them
can almost hear Santo crying in his beer

lets hope the false pattern of the Cards losing game 1 of a series and coming back to win the last two continues

by vances law on Jul 5, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I should have went to this game instead of last night

i’ll take it

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs