Game 89 Overflow
by the red baron on Jul 5, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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“What the hell is LaRussa doing starting Schumaker over Barton today??”
because i’d like to know
boo cubs, hooray beer
If
I had seen the lineups before I programmed the thread this morning, I totally would have.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on Jul 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
this game doesn't deserve
an overflow thread so far.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
nah
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
C'MON YOU REDBIRDS
LETS SCORE SOME RUNS
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
I am still hoping I am wrong.
Almost thought Albert was going to do it for us there, but a little short.
Maybe we can get him in.
way to battle there Kyle
Hmm we need a major mojo change here anyone got any ideas?
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vodkas packed away....
But after the ank homer might be whiskey time!
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templeton rye
An Iowa original. Also the whiskey that Al capone used to drink. Just started bottling it again last year, ran out within 3 months, aged 6 years so might be hard to come by for awhile. Better then crown. If you get to iowa buy a bottle. I could see it becoming huge once their production gets higher.
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that interview
was hilarious and embarassing all at the same time.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I order for us to get some runs this inning
I bring you Fredbird and Ronald ‘Big Mac Land’ McDonald:
Yes!
Damn, when he connects, he connects. Brilliant
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone else notice that Rick
is in the ASG commercial on Fox?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was wondering if it was a Regional or National commerical.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
that is a strech
but if fuku is going to be there why not ank
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 5, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Karros is right here.
Most important thing is to get Pujols to third.
I was almost thinking about Glaus bunting.
Nice SB
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
Tie Game!!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
It's a game folks!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
And still threatening
ALL HAIL FREDBIRD AND RONALD MCDONALD!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
we can’t have chick picks, but you’ve gotta hold onto that one
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
*since we can't you've gotta hold onto that one:P
came out wrong
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, productive AB, let's see if we can get a lead
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
Now, if you would have predicted an INFIELD hit, then I would have been impressed.
2 infield hits in 2 days for Molina
Amazing.
23 doubles
57 RBI for Ludwick. Hard to believe those numbers when you consider the monster slump he’s been in.
umm thats 2 infield hits this week for molina
Is the world ending next week?
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LOL
Nice running Yadi
that was like “Major League Baseball”, catcher beats it out.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
(yes, i know the ball was never thrown)
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Two infield hits on consecutive days?
(Puts on tinfoil hat)
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 5, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
wasn't an error
if he was out on a throw it would have been close. perfectly placed hit
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a big gaping hole
in AK’s pants? Or did I see that wrong?
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
nah, that's his mangina eating his pants.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Sigh
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions
i do have to give eric karros some credit
he did say we would have a good inning if the first batter started it off
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i was jsut going to say with kennedy
he should squeeze
please just find your way to the dl for the rest of the year kennedy
or for the rest of your contract. either is fine with me.
boo cubs, hooray beer
I don't understand why second baseman suck so much.
It is not that tough of a position. I don’t understand why there are not more Jeff Kents out there.
probabilistically speaking
not really, AK hits the ball in play what’s the chances of a DP vs. the chance Lohse gets a hit (<.100 AVG)?
except if lohse gets up
you pinch hit for him, its its a strike out then probably at worst a .250 hitter
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maybe
but still, overall, the chances of scoring are higher if you hit the ball in play with runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out than if you have a .250 hitter come to the play with 2 outs – even with the chance of a DP.
To say Kennedy messed up because he hitting the ball on the nose seems wrong.
i'm not disagreeing
I was just going to change your numbers. To be fair to actually compare the 2 outcomes probabilistically you have to figure in a lot more numbers then just lohses batting average.
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Exhibit A:
Yadi’s infield single this inning.
Should have been an easy play, and yet…
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
compare more than one day shall we?
one game shouldn’t be used to compare those two..
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
because it's where your weaker players generally play
guys without good arms generally play second base, and generally guys without good arms lack power.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Right, but can't we play Barton there or something?
There has to be good hitters in the league that are not playing that could handle second base.
Oh great
they are. Cue Footnote with a HR.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lohse is now 'the Ace'
with Wainwright out, so TLR tries to make a hero out of them.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if he wasnt up this inning
i think he woulda taken him out
he is up in the next inning if i'm not mistaken
so you get him through 7 you can pinch hit and not have to use 2 players on a double switch.
You can’t waste players in a tie game.
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Kennedy had a nice play there.
Miles wouldn’t have gotten that vertical for it IMO
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
Nice inning Lohse
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
Thank goodness
according to Gameday, Footnote hit that one on top of the wall.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, no where close
- about 50 ft
the one kennedy caught was ripped and kennedy got a great jump to snag it though.
the last out was pretty easy
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
lets make kyle a winner
Get a run and hope our bullpen can get 6 outs
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Bravo, Kyle Lohse.
7 innings, 2 R against these guys? I’ll take it. Now the rest of you, score some friggin runs.
fukadome
is not an all star outfielder… a lot of others should be starting over him
its like that every year though
neither is griffey and few more
Right
That is why they call it the All “Star” game, and not the MVP Game or something like that.
There are a lot of “stars” that are not good players. Griffy is a good example, as is 1/2 of the Yankees team.
some people voting
ill just vote name recognition.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what happens when you let fans vote
they vote for whoever is on the their favorite team and not the ones that deserve it
u suggesting
We have some sort of electoral college for the all star game? Cause that could work.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 5, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going to be real ironic next year
MSM will have to acknowledge St. Louis due to the AS game.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
umm Franklin
Did I miss something here? he is still our closer correct?
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I though McClellan was warming up earlier. Bizarre,
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i was wondering the samething
y not mcclellan or mayeb perez
Izturis is supposedly back tomorrow
what move are they going to make? it seems like it would be a pitcher, right?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Franklin in the 8th?
Wow, your closer to face the heart of the order? Ya know, that almost makes sense.
close :) if the closer were the best pitcher in the pen i’d be all over it, but in this case we’ve got k-mac, perez, isringhausen, villone, springer, worrell, and even jiminez ahead of franklin in xFIP and springer, k-mac, and villone ahead in FIP.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
Why is FIP the best way to determine this?
Why not just use HR/9 and WHIP? After all, all of these guys are throwing in front of the same defense.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
HRs allowed has been shown to be a property of FBs allowed; pitchers in general allow about 11%-12% of their outfield flies to convert to home runs, and significant deviations are believed to be the result of variance as opposed to pitcher skill.
WHIP does not distinguish between baserunners that were allowed as hits or walks. the latter can have blame squarely shared with the pitcher, the former can have a tendency to be more impacted by variance (e.g. 90% or 60% of a given pitcher’s line drives temporarily falling for hits as opposed to the standard that is closer to 75%).
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
But FIP doesn't use LD rates and FB rates or any of that
and it doesn’t factor balls put in play. When we’re trying to evaluate pitchers independently of the defense behind them, but in this case, we’re way more concerned about the defense + pitcher than we are concerned about independently measuring the pitcher
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
in this case, we’re way more concerned about the defense + pitcher than we are concerned about independently measuring the pitcher
why would that be the case? the defense is a relative constant, but the pitcher isn’t.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
If a pitcher gets a lot of groundballs, we know that those will get gobbled up by our infield
Something that wouldn’t be the case if that pitcher played for another team. But FIP doesn’t care about GB/FB rates, and is sensitive to the insane ER rules for relievers. We are way more concerned about how our relievers play in front of our defense than we are about how they’d perform with the Phillies. So what’s the point of taking the influence that our defense has on our pitchers out of the equation?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
FIP factors only BB, K, and HR. it does not have any concept of earned runs, so i’m not sure what you’re referencing when you say that it’s senstive to ER rules or relievers; the input formula is constant, so comparing relievers to relievers using the same standard should produce results that are fair to contrast.
defense, like many things in baseball, takes a long time to normalize. even though one has the same defense, and presumably defense of a known quantity, there will be variation from play to play similar to the variation between plate appearances for statistically predictable hitters. given the already short sample sizes for relief pitchers, i would be loathe to introduce more noisy variables to the equation.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
+1 of course
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
because it moves guys into unexpected roles.
is franklin our best bet against those guys? don’t know, but he is out of place. i would go along with this “high leverage” use of the closer, it it wasn’t franklin. i just don’t see him that as that much better than springer, perez, or kmac. since he’s not, i’d have left him to the 9th if we needed him. not just hindsight, but he’s an ex-set-up man now and it kind of speaks poorly of the regular guys who would have pitched “normally” in the 8th.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on Jul 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so can we get a pitching change
Franklin is killing me…..
and my fantasy team.
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Is Tony drunk?
why the hell would you bring in Franklin there? What happened to only using Franklin in a save situation Tony? Remember those extra inning games you gave away by using Parisi over Franklin?
boo cubs, hooray beer
The walk rates are back up this year
he’s not getting as many groundballs and poof—the magician that was Ryan Franklin turns into a pumpkin. With a 4.15 FIP.
Would it be to much to ask
for Springer there in a tie game, he only had 13 pithes last night & hes been the only one who hasnt put guys on base lately?
That sounded awesome on the radio
I’m so glad I didn’t get a chance to see it, FOX
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
No kidding...
I’m sure everyone here in Central Texas would rather watch Yanks/Sox than Cards/Cubs…
"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart
A pork chop appearance.
Bernie calling Ward a pork chop was one of the most accurate descriptions ever.
If you had told me we'd hold the Cubs to 6 runs over the first 2 games
and that we’d lose both games, i’d of been shocked.
boo cubs, hooray beer
and all of those runs weren’t loud
hell the two hr’s today were within the first three rows
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd go for disappointed,
but unfortunately not shocked. zammy (he’s good and obviously recovered) and lilly (because he’s a lefty) spell trouble for our guys.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
With the Cubs going to Wrigley taking on the Reds & Giants
after shutting us down …will this be where they start to run away with the Central?
let them "run away"
we need to focus on getting to 20 games over .500 and put pressure on the cubs and the WC contenders in the process.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
are best bet is wild card – especially with our injuries – it would be nice, but I can wait to beat them until the playoffs.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for saying this
but I have a feeling our wild card hopes are going to fade away soon. I hope I’m wrong…I really do. But we are just not playing like a wild card contender….even though our record right now says different.
we're not playing like a wild card contender right now
ask the brewers if they were playing like a contender a month a go….
It’s a long season. lets battle through the all star break. Take a week off and go from there
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if we get out of DL hell
which is what we’ve had for a month or so, we have a shot to do anything we’d like.
looking at our guys now and using that as a snapshot to what’s to come isn’t giving the team justice.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and we're
having our “2 and 3” starters hold the Cubs down to 6 runs over two, nothing to complain about.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
In the horrid NL
we ARE playing like a wild card contender. This league is awful.
boo cubs, hooray beer
+1
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
20 games over .500 = 102 wins
If we’re still in second place after that, the NLCS against the cubs is gonna be fun
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
102? 91
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, sorry, I read that as 20 WINS above .500
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
ah, no dramas
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It would b sooooooo nice
to have a guy in the BP that could come in & go 1-2-3 late in the game against the heart of a teams lineup like Marmol just did, even though he has been somewhat hittable lately. They couldve been a little more patient though, I guess.
we have a couple
they just weren’t the ones picked to pitch :)
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
we've got guys who have done that this year,
(reyes, springer, kmac), but not as consistent as you need.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Too much nibbling
by ALL of the pitchers this year.
nice job by K-Mac
too bad he didn’t come in to start the 8th like he should have.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
kudos to luddy
for being patient whern we needed it
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
where is
Rally Fredbird/Ronald?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
I try not to do this often
but i’m putting this loss (assuming we don’t comeback) on TLR. From a highly questionable lineup, to yet another horrible bullpen decision, he really cost us today
The guy is still a great manager, and the reason we are even in this race, but today was not his finest hour.
boo cubs, hooray beer
wow cards got a break?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Albert
is cracking me up from the dugout!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
He (and I think Izturis) were just really into Molina's AB
throwing signals and cheering. Then he was running through the dugout when AK got his double. He’s definitely into this game. Great to see.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
kennedy shakes off his normal DP
and goes yard..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
to put this in perspective
wood has only issued nine (9) walks this year in 42.7 IP for 2008 while striking out 54.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
Yeah Baby!!!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
Wood shoulda pitched to Duncan over Skip IMO
Skip and that heat should meld well
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
if we do comeback
im sure he will get some for the “never give up” attitude
I'll take a sac fly for 100 alex
but hero skippy, will probably do something stupid like a granny
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Just hit a sac fly
please
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
make him throw a stirke..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
+1000000000000
Sac fly from Skip then let the others worry about the winning run
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
if TLR had pinch run for Molina during the Kennedy at bat
(which he should have) this game would be tied already.
he did last night
why not today
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
is mike rooting for the cubs?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Grr
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
I guess that should have been
Grr…it!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
Grit time!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
i may toss my laptop
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
it's all up to Mighty Miles
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
This is too much stress for July
Damn Cubs
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
can no one hit the ball into the bloddy outfield?!?!?!
this is what happens when over half your lineup is just slap hitters
That's the good thing about being a pessimist...
You’re either always right or pleasantly surprised.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Game!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Rick!!!!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
lol
don’t blame ya tho’
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
New Player of the Game
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
Holy Shit Rick
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
times two
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucking slow Gameday
What Happened???
"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart
Thanks
Awesome…my gameday is still frozen…
"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart
2 Run Single
Duncan scored the winning run despite a weak throw from center field to the plate.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
and whooooo was that CF
Edmonds, lol
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hehe
I admit, I relished that a bit
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
OMG, cards pull it out
You may send an outline of my new assignment to the mental ward at Charity Hospital. The solicitious nuns and psychiatrists there can help me decipher it between shock treatments.
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
ya still agree there should have been a pinch runner
but ah well
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
The weird thing is that tony made the correct decision about that last night
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I'll take a stressful win over a boring loss anyday
YEAH RICK!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
thats what made it so head scratching is that he did it last night
it seems like a no brainer, yet he didnt do it, and it could have been disasterous..hind sight i guess
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Ankiel is such a choker.
A real Clutch player would have hit the walk off grand Salomi.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Oh good...
We get to watch the end of the Sawks/Yanks….
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
It's about time...
for an Ankiel walk-off base knock! He really really wants that All-Star selection doesn’t he?
...basically.
Holy Shit
I mean, wow.
That game had epic written all over it.
Two runs score off of rick, who sucks post 7th inning, sucks with RISP and high leverage, the hit went to Edmonds of all people
wow.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
I guess we're even for last nights BS ump calls. Yadi's check swing and the ball to Skip.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I can't believe what I just saw
man, does that statement ever fit what I saw right there.
Rick Ankiel, captain anti-clutch this year, comes through
boo cubs, hooray beer
amen brotha!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Just look at my avatar...
and substitute their heads for Rick Ankiel and Kerry Wood respectively.
...basically.
Trolls show up here in 3... 2.... 1...
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
They're eating their young, actually.
I’ve never in my life seen so many fans of one team turn on other fans of that same team so ferociously than Northsiders.
so I almost turned my computer off
because I thought Miles made the final out. guess that’s what happens when I can’t see the game on TV.
huge win!
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
i turned on the last inning for a
why the heck not listen to it thing…and rewarded
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
speaking of yanks sox
rivera doing his best izzy
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
ya me too
but i was referring to the way they finished the game…he took the hill 2-0, they won 2-1 and i think the bases were jammed…
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
i was watching that
same situation as us…down 2 in the ninth and then score 1 and have the bases loaded with 0 outs but they couldnt get the other run across
people that put false patterns to random distribution of data.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 5, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol you may/may not believe in clutch but it's surely not ignorance
considering how many SABR studies have been done for both sides….well it’s certainly ignorance if you believe it one way or another without reading the studies.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
given the data we have so far, i support his words as written without ignorance or sarcasm.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
From the #'s and from what i've seen of Ankiel this year
Their is every reason to believe he will not come through in the clutch. lboros (i think it was him, might’ve been one of the other contributors), did a blog entry on how abysmal Ankiel is after the 7th inning.
In late and close situations this year he’s hitting: .087
In innings 7-9 he’s hitting: .132
In high leverage situations he’s hitting .224
Now, I realize those aren’t huge sample sizes, but I think it’s fair to say that those #’s combined with viewing his at bats and seeing how bad he often looks in those situations, give people a legitimate reason to believe at this point in his career, Rick Ankiel is not a clutch player.
I apologizing for using the word ignorance though Stark, I thought you were completely discrediting all stats as “false patterns to a random distribution of data” but that’s not the case.
boo cubs, hooray beer
but if it's just a mental approach thing
then, in principle, it’s soemthign that’s correctable, especially for a player with this little experience hitting in the bigs.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I wasn't saying it's not fixable
I do believe that as he matures as a hitter, he can overcome the problem. I’m just saying, as of right now, their is substance to the belief that Rick Ankiel doesn’t come through late in games.
boo cubs, hooray beer
i will give credit to performance stats such as late & close, specific innings, or high leverage if a number of players are shown to have consistently elevated or suppressed results in those contexts from a year-to-year basis, denoting specific skill or failure. in absence of that consistency, i see no option other than to call it trivia or noise.
you claim this to be a discredit to the stats, but not all stats are designed in such a way that necessarily deserve credit. wins and losses for starting pitchers, for example, or as a more extreme example to consider what one might have eaten for breakfast before a given game. if recorded properly, they are valid statistics but it doesn’t mean that they’re also meaningful.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
fair enough
like I said ignorance was a harsh word, and I misinterpreted what rockStark meant. It’s a stupid argument anyways, Ankiel came through, we beat the Cubs and all is right in St. Louis.
boo cubs, hooray beer
nope, not dismissing stats
I used to believe in clutch after playing sports all my life, however, after reading all the studies done for and against clutch hitting there’s a better chance of me believing in the tooth fairy.
Like I said in my fanpost, I can flip a quarter X amount of times and come up with all sorts of fun patterns that are caused by standard deviation.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
hopefully this will be a back-breaker for the Cubbies
would have been tough for us to stomach down one, bases loaded, no out and not win
gotts be a gut wrenching loss for them
can almost hear Santo crying in his beer
lets hope the false pattern of the Cards losing game 1 of a series and coming back to win the last two continues
Man, I should have went to this game instead of last night
i’ll take it
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 5, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Well, he does a have an OBP of like .400
I don’t know about his defense.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 5, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ank VS Fuck
Not Counting Today.
RZR:
Fuck is 4th in the NL OF with a .939
Ank is 8th with .924
VORP:
Ank is 14th in VORP 18.0
Fuck is 18th in RF with 15.8
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Lost in the Shuffle...
K-Mac get’s his first Major Leauge win! Congrats, and here’s to many, many more.
Over at BCB
Man, Lets never act like how they act over at BCB. They are about ready to kill each other over there. They have a lot of band wagon fans over there just being jack asses.
Wow...
What a great game! Two great games so far this series.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 5, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
The irony in people at BCB complaining about the Molina non-call
after the gifts they were given last night. Hilarious.
boo cubs, hooray beer
I'd like to complement Hardcore
for all his positive energy today. I will talk to the gypsy.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 5, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
haiku
Friday gifts to Wood
Gives them back on Saturday
Cards win the series
"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."
should be a '?' on the end.
"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."
Word is Jimmy is going to have a party
for his Cubs teammates tonight at his restaurant…..maybe Jim can help us by getting them really drunk and they will have major hangovers tomorrow!!!
maybe
that’s been his evil plan all along. They’ll lose the series to us and it’s all downhill from there.
by thisgirllovesbaseball on Jul 5, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it.
Jimmy Baseball goes undercover to help the Birds claim the pennant. Late last year, in an underground bunker beneath Busch III, JEd, knowing his health is failing him and Ankiel is ready to replace him, conspires with LaRussa and Duncan to orchestrate the demise of the Cubs.
If their season could end with him dropping a fly ball, I’d almost believe it.
he was suppose to
Have a party for San Diego and Cardinal players when he came back the first time. I was going to get tickets to go.
But then he became a Cub. And Im not sure if there are still going to be Cardinal players there. And I really am not interested in meeting a bunch of Cubs.
Anyone know why EPSN feels the brewers have a better chance
on winning the division or the wild card than the Cardinals?
Who knows...
You should do like me and just remove ESPN from your viewing habits. I only watch ESPN for a few rare reasons: a game that isn’t on any other channel, highlights of a specific game (I can only tolerate it long enough to see the highlight), College Gameday. SportsCenter is flat out unwatchable and Baseball Tonight is not even close to what it once was (not to mention the never-ending Yankees/Red Sox/Mets/Cubs cycle). They have no real competition, so the majority of the crap they put out is to target the average and uninformed sports fan (i.e. Titletown, Who’s Now?, Greatest Highlight).
Possibly because
They are in the running for Sabathia. I dunno. Most of these sooths couldn’t tell their ass from a hole in the ground.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 6, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
why are they saying that the Braves have lost more games to injury than anyone else…Really the Braves lost their 1 and 2 starters? Have another number 1 starting on the DL. Lost the best player in the game. Lost their starting catcher. Lost their cough cough starting Shortstop?
I think
the projections are based on winning pct of remaining opponents and use each team’s home/road records. We many more games (42 vs 26) against the eight teams in the race (Cubs, Cards, Brewers, Phillies, Marlins, Mets, Dbacks and Dodgers). Milwaukee also has 6 more home games than us at this point in the schedule.
On the plus side, only 10 of those 26 games against the “better” teams are at home for the Brewers (7 vs Cubs and 3 vs Mets) while the Cards have 23 of the 42 games at home, including all 6 remaining games against Milwaukee. Tough road games remaining are 3 next week in Philly, 6 up at Wrigley, 3 in Shea and 3 in Arizona (site of last years slide).
On the down side, the Brewers have 4 at home with San Diego, Washington and Colorado.
Cubbies schedule
has 38 games against the top eight teams with 17 at home and 21 on the road. Looking at the schedules of the Cards, Cubs and Brewers, I think the divisional battles could end up helping us. We have 20 (5 home/15 road) left against Houston/Cincy/Pittsburgh, Chicago has 27 and Milwaukee 28.
The Cubs also have a very tough September. Houston at home (3), on the road at Cin (3) STL (3) Hou (3), back home with Mil (3) and STL (3), then finish on the road at NYM (4) and Milwaukee (3).
Hope the second half is as much fun to follow as the first half.
those last 3 games of the season
could be an amazing series in chicago. Assuming it stays a 3-way race, the wild card AND NL central title may be decided those days.
We may find ourselves rooting for the cubs!
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
Becasue we keep humiliating them
what are you expecting from a bunch of “experts” who predicted Cards only 60 some wins
And Jim Ed...
...was kinda bee-slapped by Yaddy and all the Cubs that partied at Jimmys will have food poisoning today…...and “Mini Me…..Mini Puh” is about to be reactivated, Monday? In Bartons spot? Damn…
by cardschinmusic on Jul 6, 2008 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
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