Game 88 overflow I

I gotta say

this lineup TLR put together is fantastic. It’s like ‘hey, let’s only use the guys I trust in an important game!”

Pitcher
Kennedy
Skippy
Miles

should never exist as a patch in the lineup.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 4, 2008 9:25 PM EDT 0 recs

what exactly would you recommend than???

Skip and Miles may not be long term solutions at their respective positions, but they are both having fine seasons. other than replacing Ryan for Kennedy there isn’t much else you could’ve changed there

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 4, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

I hear ryan ludwick is available

And brendan ryan, who might have seen more than 4 pitches in 2 PA’s vs the opposing team’s ace while making at least 2 plays at SS that miles didn’t.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

and those two plays

didn’t amount to any runs, but they are probably the difference between looper pitching 6 and 7 innings.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

well, looper went 7

so there goes that theory

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

so make it the diff between 7 and 8

or the difference between 7@ 110 pitches or 7@120.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

kind of reaching aren't you?

you can bitch about putting miles at short but its really an argument about playing ryan vs. kennedy

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 4, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ryan will start the next two games.

by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

Why?

The difference between miles and kennedy offensively this year, by base runs, is 5.2 runs. That’s half a game and includes time wasted by miles at SS and doesn’t take into account that miles has had 5% more PA’s. BR’s are a counting stat.

Defensively, using RZR, Miles has been so bad that he doesn’t even appear on the list any more. You have to remove all qualified 2B’s to even get his awful .785 RZR to show up in the top 50 defensive 2B’s in the NL. If Miles had gotten all of kennedy’s opportunities this year, plus his own, plus ryan’s, at least 18.6 plays would not have been made that would have been made if all those opps were given to kennedy, or 12.85 if Ryan was at 2B. That is about 9 runs on defense (6.4 for Ryan)—and this doesn’t even look at OOZ plays, where miles sucks. When defense is considered, Miles is at best equivalent to kennedy at second and possibly significantly worse. And since he’s almost certainly not going to finish the season with offensive numbers as good as what he has (if he does, it’ll be because he’s been very lucky) by the end of the season kennedy’s overall numbers, as awful as they are, will be better than Miles.

Ryan should start at SS and Kennedy should start at 2B, especially against RHP. And that is every damned game. And especially games that are likely to be close ones like this one. it didn’t hurt us today, except maybe forcing the BP to do an extra inning, but that was by the grace of the GOB.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

except maybe

MAYBE, against tough lefties, miles should start at second. But in that case it should be Ryan and Izturis.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up 0 recs

again though,

the only reason miles ever plays ss is if kennedy is at 2B so that part is really a ryan vs. kennedy argument. Maybe if you could DH for Izturis, Kennedy or Ryan you’d have a point. But give me someone who can hit good and fields ok any day over someone who can field good and hits poorly. The only 2 middle infielders in the N.L. who have a lower OPS (with at least 150 PA) than Ryan and Izturis are Omar Vizquel and Freddy Sanchez. Kennedy is 6th lowest with Eric Bruntlett right under him.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 5, 2008 4:21 AM EDT up 0 recs

also...

your point seems to be that defensively there would be a 19 hit and 9 run difference. Did you bother to look up what the offensive difference would have been if you gave miles, Kennedy and Ryan’s 59 starts? It would be significantly more than 19 hits and 9 runs

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 5, 2008 4:29 AM EDT up 0 recs

arguments such as these are bullshit anyway....

since its impossible to predict what plays Miles would make and which ones he wouldn’t. Maybe he’s positioned differantly…maybe he gets a better jump than normal. You can’t use stats to determine the likelihood of a player making a play.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 5, 2008 4:34 AM EDT up 0 recs

thats a duncan vs. Ludwick argument...

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 4, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

bleh

7 pitches in 3 PA’s.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

really?

you’re going to knock miles with his hitting streak and his .320 avg (and his career .320 avg vs. zambrano)?

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 4, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yes

When he never walks and hits only singles.

by DiscoJer on Jul 4, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

again...who is the alternative???????????

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 4, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

miles should be in the lineup...if you wanna debate ludwick vs. duncan thats fine..

you can also debate ryan vs. kennedy…but miles and skip should both be in the lineup

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 4, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

...untill there are better options on the active roster...

I think its high time people quit bitching about skip and miles being in the lineup. They are both hitting over .300 and are far better than the alternatives (duncan,barton,kennedy, and ryan). I’m not a huge fan of either, and as a stated earlier, neither are long term solutions, but good lord they can’t possibly perform any better offensively than what they have.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

don't even have the energy to cheer

for that second Edmonds K.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:50 PM EDT 0 recs

ok guys

lets go…2 on..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 9:56 PM EDT 0 recs

terrible AB by glaus

and they played dunc perfectly… would have been an rbi single with miles at SS.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:59 PM EDT 0 recs

pretty high pitch count...

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 10:00 PM EDT 0 recs

way too high

even if loop gets all three outs, it was crazy to send him out for this inning.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up 0 recs

Completely agree

Tony is overthinking again…

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

Do we see Mulder

tonight?

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 10:05 PM EDT 0 recs

No Dan,

I don’t feel good when Wellemeyer, Looper, and Lohse take the mound 60% of the time.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 10:05 PM EDT 0 recs

um did you NOT see the wins?!?!?!1111

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

‘twas sarcasm, chief.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up 0 recs

Al's wisdom astounds me

“The Cardinals have got to score to win”

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 10:07 PM EDT 0 recs

springer time

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 10:10 PM EDT 0 recs

FINALLY!!!!

ALBERT WITH 300!!!!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:27 PM EDT 0 recs

that was nice

I’m amazed a cubs fan didn’t catch it and throw it back.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

it looks like it when right threw the hands of a guy with a red hat on

he’s gotta be feeling really stupid right about now

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think

the Cubs fan that threw it back after Reed Johnson gave it to him will feel even more stupid when he learns it was #300.

by outraged on Jul 4, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

woohooooooooooo

now pu can start hitting for average again! :)

by tomsteele on Jul 4, 2008 10:27 PM EDT 0 recs

Thank God, SOMEBODY responded

"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 4, 2008 10:27 PM EDT 0 recs

it's been pretty dead all day hasn't it?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

Al thanks for ripping me

love AP

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 10:28 PM EDT 0 recs

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 10:29 PM EDT 0 recs

hey Rick!

stop trying to tie it up!

never mind

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:30 PM EDT 0 recs

is tomorrow's game on Fox?

I asked earlier before I realized an overflow had been made

by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 10:32 PM EDT 0 recs

yup

2:55

by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

there's another one up?

already? uh

i doubt it. unless you live in Missouri or Illinois i’m betting you get sawx vs Yanks

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

the second overflow thread is up

not that this one has been heavily trafficked but just an fyi

by azruavatar on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 PM EDT 0 recs

so are we supposed to move there now?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up 0 recs

meh

I just like to sow confusion. I’m an instigator not a problem solver.

by azruavatar on Jul 4, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

bad robot

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

SIT DOWN PUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 PM EDT 0 recs

nothing but curves from Izzy

by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 10:38 PM EDT 0 recs

Izzy's

sailing shit all over the place

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 10:41 PM EDT 0 recs

nice play, grit

by tomsteele on Jul 4, 2008 10:42 PM EDT 0 recs

Why is nobody out for the Holiday

I was supposed to go out but threw my back out weight lifting today. I can barely move

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 4, 2008 10:43 PM EDT 0 recs

I ultimately decided i didn't want to hang in a big crowd

and pay too much for beer.

by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

are you kidding me? there's a ton of people gone

it’s flubs vs Cards. normally there’d be about 1000 comments by now

i’m here because i’m a loser with no friends who blogs from his mommies basement

also i hate fireworks

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

just reading through...

post… of… the… night!

ESPN Management (CT): Umm…...what does this have to do with the Red Sox and Yankees?
SportsNation Jerry Crasnick: Management, Let’s take a break with the sarcasm, OK?

by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 5, 2008 5:02 AM EDT up 0 recs