Game 88 Open Thread: July 4 2008
Chicago Cubs at St. Louis Cardinals, Jul 4, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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| Zambrano | Looper |
| 8-3, 3.13 | 9-5, 4.26 |
happy 4th everybody. it’s a holiday weekend, the cards are playing the cubs, and the teams are fighting each other for first place; jim edmonds is back in town (and welcome back to ya, jed). it doesn’t get much better than this.
i'll be at a barbecue tonight and away from the computer, so overflow threads will be pre-programmed. i don't know whether to expect heavy traffic because it's the cubs, or light traffic because it's the 4th of july. erring on the side of caution, i'm gonna pre-program two overflows --- one will open an hour after game time, and the second will open an hour after that.
historically, card-cub game threads have not brought out the best in the VEB community. most people keep the rivarly in perspective and are able to enjoy the sparring without being obnoxious about it. but there always seem to be a few dicks who show off their most unpleasant, vulgar, and unintelligent characteristics when the cards play the cubs --- indeed, they think it’s cool to act that way when the cards play the cubs. don’t be one of those dicks. have all the fun you want in the game thread; just don’t drive people off my site with repugnant behavior. and if you observe someone else behaving that way, flag the post or write me an e-mail.
i exchanged views this morning with al yellon, my friend over at Bleed Cubbie Blue. his answers to my questions are here; head over there to see my answers to his questions. if you do drop by BCB during the weekend to exchange views w/ the northsiders, remember that you are representing our community ---- be good-humored, fight fair, and refrain from trolling. thanks ev’yone.
1) Jim Edmonds appeared to be toast when he came to the Cubs; he even got called out by Lou Piniella for his lax production after his first week or so in Chicago. How'd he turn it around?
That's a mystery to me, too, but I'm certainly not complaining. In 36 games as a Cub Edmonds is now hitting .294/.391/.587, better than his career numbers, with 8 HR and 24 RBI. He's played a competent CF --- it's clear that he doesn't have the range he used to, but he catches most everything he can get to --- and has contributed to many wins, most notably with his game-tying, last-of-the-9th HR against the Braves on June 12, a game the Cubs won in the 11th on a walkoff HBP. Even some Cubs fans who hated the idea of "that hated Cardinal" in a Cubs uniform are coming around.
To answer your question more directly, Edmonds had an injury in spring training that limited him to six ST at-bats. Clearly, it hadn't totally healed during his time in San Diego and they gave up on him. He's healthy now, and the Cubs have a productive CF platoon (Edmonds and Reed Johnson) at a cost to them of about $1.6 million for the entire season ($1.3M for Johnson, and the minimum for Edmonds, as the Padres are on the hook for the rest of his contract).
2) After half a season of watching Fukudome, do you think the contract he signed is a) a bargain, b) overpriced, or c) fair ?
The contract is fair. Fukudome has been exactly as advertised -- an on-base machine (.395 OBA) who has mid-range power and plays an excellent RF. His best value to the Cubs has been his patience at the plate -- this has rubbed off on his teammates, as they are on pace to break the club record for walks in a season. He is the Cubs' first Japanese-born player and Japanese players are noted for their disciplined approach to the game, something that has been missing from Cub teams for many years. For that alone, he's worth it.
3) What is the secret of Ryan Dempster's success this year? Are you worried he will wake up one day and turn back into the old Ryan Dempster?
Cub fans always worry about just about everything. But Dempster, apart from one disastrous start vs. the White Sox, has been consistent all year. The "secret," which really isn't one, is that Dempster dropped about 30 pounds and spent the winter doing intense workouts, because he realized that returning to starting pitching would require him to get into better shape. Part of his routine was running up and down Camelback Mountain in the Phoenix area before spring training, something that anyone who's hiked those trails would tell you is a tough task. It has paid off. Dempster is also a smart player who understands what it takes to succeed. He'll make the All-Star team and it'll be well-deserved.
4) Matt Murton, Felix Pie, Ronny Cedeno, Eric Patterson, Rich Hill . . . . a lot of highly touted Cub prospects are going stale, rather than establishing themselves as regulars. Does that trend worry you, and what do you think is the reason for it?
Technically, Murton isn't a Cub prospect -- he was acquired from the Red Sox in the Nomar Garciaparra trade. "Highly-touted" is a relative term, too; of the ones you mention, only Pie and Hill had that tag on them, and Hill only in the later stages of his minor league career. Since producing several good-to-very-good position players and pitchers in the 1980's (Shawon Dunston, Mark Grace, Joe Girardi, Greg Maddux among others), the farm system has become fallow in recent years. This I would attribute to bad management and bad drafting more than any other factors. In the last few years under Oneri Fleita and scouting director Tim Wilken, the system has begun to rebuild, and I hope that bears fruit in years to come. Also, keep in mind that although the players you name have had less success than hoped for, the Cub farm system has produced, in the last ten years, Kerry Wood, Carlos Zambrano, Michael Wuertz, Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher and Carlos Marmol.
5) Which pursuer do Cub fans fear more --- the Cardinals or the Brewers?
Personally, I fear the Brewers more --- and don't take that as an insult, Cardinals fans. I still can't figure out how your team is doing it, and I look forward to Larry's answers to my questions on that topic. Milwaukee has a great offense --- their weakness, as was apparent in their unbelievable meltdown loss to Arizona yesterday, is their bullpen. This weekend series will go a long way toward setting the tone for the rest of the season, just as the September 2003 series in Wrigley Field did for the Cubs that year, and the July 2004 series, also at Wrigley, did for the Cardinals in that season. Let the games begin!
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hats off to larry
for coming up with such quality questions in these little exchange interviews with other blogs.
by PolancoMcEwing on Jul 4, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 4, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCB
You’d think they would realize that Aaron Miles is not our usual starting shortstop. But then, I guess that would require paying attention…
by Callaway Kid on Jul 4, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome's splits.
HOME: .373 / .476 / .563
AWAY: .213 / .319 / .284
Wow.
Boomer.
by glamboomer on Jul 4, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
and more importantly, first 99 MLB PA’s:
.346/.465/.506 (.971)
(1.188 home, .690 rd)
The 254 PA’s since then:
.269/.368/.384 (.752)
(.968 home, .575 rd)
Enjoy the next 3.5 fukudome years, CHC.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But since the Cubs (and Red Sox) play 120 home games a year
they should be fine with Fukudome’s production :)
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by gocards62 on Jul 4, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i look forward
to a good series between both teams- should be hard fought. its independence day and it doesn’t get too much more exciting than cubs cardinals. go cards!
by 916baller on Jul 4, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had fan post
and then reading Larry’s “Don’t be a dick” post, I deleted it. It basically dealt with the 4th, and how we should all eat charred meat, blow shit up, and use this series to determine if we really hate the Cubs, or just hate Cubs fans.
I actually like the players on the Cubs. I just think Cub fans are midwestern Red Sox fans, and a lot of them are Bears fans (Packer fan myself), and that the reason fuel is more expensive in IL is because they have to gas up the bandwagon.
But damn – let’s blow some shit up tonight. Z is coming off the DL…let’s welcome him back with grit, and a few smokin line drives to CF to show Jimmy Ballgame that his wheels aren’t what they used to be.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ahahah
good comparison.
I didn’t hate the cubs until I moved to STL and had to deal with their fans directly. Most cards fans that don’t live around here just don’t get the hate and it’s fashionable to play down the rivalry although it’s geographically based anyway.
Kind of like the Yankees being my favorite AL team, since I’m not from NY I never really hated the Red Sox until recently their fans came out of the wood work (B is for bandwagon) and yeah they’re basically east coast Cubs fans with inferiority complexes from the past 100 years.
I have to say the most worthless fans in the history of the world are Phillie fans.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillie fans have value
25 years after post-doc’ing for a particularly cretinous full professor whom I will not name, I still occasionally say to myself, “so what would ol’ Charlie do in this situation?” And I then make sure to do the opposite.
Phillie fans serve a similar function in life. Bad examples and cautionary tales have their uses.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 4, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, decided not to act Al about
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 4, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i just wanna say
i hate carlos zambrano.
GO CARDS!
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 4, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was pumped last year
when he was eluding to the fact he was going to pitch for the cards. Hate goes out the window if they improve my team, even for Barry Bonds who I hate more than any professional athlete (well top 3, right around Kevin Youkilis and Geovany Soto)
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont be a dick
bernies article in the post really sums up what lboros is saying not to do; in the article he argues against cheering for jimmy because he’s a cubbie now and therefore “the enemy”. in baseball, bernie, the term is opponent. when i go to cubs cards games and see people fighting and being dicks (the term is pretty apt, i must say), i always cringe because c’mon people, it’s baseball. theres gotta be a line between having a rival and hating something – and in sports it seems like the line is being crossed more and more. lets try to be the “best fans in baseball” and not cross that line.
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
by willess on Jul 4, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fighting is stupid
and I haven’t read the PD yet, but I’ll be damned if I cheer for the guy. I’ll give him a respectful nod the first time he is introduced, then after that it’s on. I understand his perspective- he still felt he had something to give, and wasn’t ready to retire. But he chose to come back to the NLC to play for our rivals and I’m not going to give him a standing O unless he K’s.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but
St. Louis clearly doesn’t deserve the self proclaimed best fans in baseball…..come football season everybody is up their fantasy football teams ass and it’s like pulling teeth to get a baseball game on tv at the sports bars.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's that way everywhere though
in ‘06 I had a hard time getting places to put the NLCS on. In fact, out here it’s hard to get baseball even early on because it’s all about basketball, as well.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow I'd have a falldown fist fight if some bartender was being a prick
and turning on BASKETBALL of all things over the cards. The only people that care about basketball are people hopping into Doc Brown’s Delorean and headed back to 1998.
That’s why I like BWW, they have a written Policy were it goes Home team sports always first and 99% of the time they immediately turn it to another baseball game unlike most bars.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bernies article
was a poorly constructed and ill conceived attack on someone who’s simply doing his job. true, he’s a cub, true, the cards and cubs are locked in an exciting playoff chase. but those things don’t change the fact that the game being played is just that—a game. i’m sure everyone here can recount a number of memories featuring number 15, and to crucify him for doing what he needed to do to continue to do what he loves is absurd. and its not even that he says don’t cheer for him, its that fact that he ties in the fourth, where the country is supposed to unite yet he argues for complete separation on team lines. this is not red states vs. blue states, this is not the confederacy vs. the union, it’s baseball – and for a game that supposedly is America’s sport, it seems pretty paradoxical that on this particular day it should divide us rather than unite us.
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
by willess on Jul 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
between your post and your signature
i’m experiencing significant cognitive dissonance.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a game, just a very important one
just as the grand canyon is a hole, its just a very important one.
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
by willess on Jul 4, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Ron Mahay been mentioned here?
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=118158… with the trouble from lefties outta the pen why not..anyone know his contract.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
two year deal with the royals
as per rosenthal until like next year or something. plus he’s old.
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
by willess on Jul 4, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya wasnt sure the deal
but he’s having a good season
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe he is affordable
Last I read KC wasn’t necessarily going to deal him.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 4, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll be a type A free agent
so they won’t deal him for cheap, that is for sure.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kill em with kindness
it works better than any F Bombs & yo momma jokes you could ever drop on them
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yo mamma's so old
she was conceived following a drunken celebration of the cubbie’s last world series victory
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
by willess on Jul 4, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yo mamma's so old
she was conceived during a drunken celebration of the cubbie’s last world series victory
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
by willess on Jul 4, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where's the entertainment value in that?
and you’re mamma’s so old she still uses yo mamma jokes.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're = your :(
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT - Dave Rozema bobble-kick dolls
Being given away. In honor of his attempted karate kick during the 1982 brawl between the Tigers and Twins.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 4, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
• Missed a team bus when he overslept after judging a wet T-shirt contest.
Awesome.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I;ve got a bad feeling about this
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 4, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bad loop?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At what point before the game do they start selling beer at busch?
mattnj
by mattnj on Jul 4, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all day at Patty O's, and they let you take A beer into the stadium.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, I'm playing a drinking game
everytime someone says Jim Edmonds I drka;a;kln
I drunkard when JEd
i…lovesh you guysh….no no serioushly
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember drinking beer whlie watching BP last year
so at least a couple hours.
What’s going on?
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand the stupid 7th inning rule....
Only morons get behind sterring wheels after too much but HELL, I’d like to be able to drink till the final out. ..so I might as well start early and have my lady friend hide some in her purse after the 7th!
mattnj
by mattnj on Jul 4, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially with the cards bullpen
come 7th Inning if I’m not drunk when Flores comes in….
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you can save some beer money
for a while, since he’s on the D.L.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 4, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is no time for saving beer money
not when Flores’ replacement is Mark frigging Mulder….
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget the Funky Bunch
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They sell beer past the final out
at the bar in the casino queen party proch. they also sell beers besided Busch/Bud/Bud Light.
Well who the hell can see forever?
by Alxfritz on Jul 5, 2008 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a cool song at the end of the pregame
did any one recognize it or the band?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
god I hate japanese hitters
They remind me of women softball players with that stupid running swing.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whoa dude?
That is politically incorrect! You deserve a Samurai sword!
mattnj
by mattnj on Jul 4, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....gonna be a long night.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Shannon does to English is infinitely worse in Japanese pronunciation. ..Murder on Fukudome's name
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
insert explitives here
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuku HR
not an auspicious beginning to the series….
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this really a road game for cubs
We let too many of their fans in here.
by TheBirds on Jul 4, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparantly Ramirez when to the Dominican Republic
and lost 30 pounds.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
22 first inning pitches.
Gotta do better than that, Bloop.
by fuegophil on Jul 4, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's alright
9 of ‘em were to Fukudome.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and 7 to Lee
didn’t realize he threw that many to Lee.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those chears for the flubs are way to freaking loud
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching this on WGN
everything is loud.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry to hear that
FSN Midwest must be using their mics because every thing that teams does is met with very loud cheers.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wish someone other than our guys could have a
bad rehab start
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano just off the DL, think maybe you'd make him toss a few pitches rather than first and second ball hacking.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't surprise me
typical Zambrano pounding the zone. Not much you can do but try to put it in play right now.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice o for edmonds
now strike his ass out
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by bukowski on Jul 4, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only in stl
can a guy demand a trade come back and get an O
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
alright, you got your standing O, now strike out & set down
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They should boo his ass tomorrow.
I think that would be appropriate.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cheered for the K
Glorious.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perfect
nice K LOOP
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SIT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU HOT DOG DRAMA QUEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks Tony
Boog would have had that easily
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jesus
to hear the cheering after that Soto hit you’d think they were at Wrigley. WTF?
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's what i'm sayin
that is not even close to OK
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in STL
Tried to get some tickets for tonight – cheapest I could find anywhere were over $50 for SRO. Lots of Cub fans spending a long weekend in the Lou. Guess it’s good for the economy…
by rencelas on Jul 4, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that
and I’m sure they’re buying those tix from Cardinals season ticket holder who are either out of town or are taking advantage of cub fan willingness to buy tickets at a huge markup.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shannon please call the game rather than promoting some Christian "share the gospel" message.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
16 pitch inning, and a K of the traitor.
Much better inning, Blooper.
by fuegophil on Jul 4, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great play by AK
looked like a hit off the bat…
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
July 9th
Cubs game against the Reds. Promotional giveaway is a replica 1908 cub hat.
Yet they bitch when anyone brings up 1908.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you guys hear
edmonds is back tonight?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Ank gotta add a little more yank!
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano on his A game tonight
So much for that DL thing
by rencelas on Jul 4, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well someone made him work
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 4, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
chris duncan
best at bat of the night, so far. Way to work it, CD.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the blazing speed of Yadier Molina
strikes again!
by Phizzle on Jul 4, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how appropriate
they emntioned how hard Yadi is to strike out… and I was thinking to myself, yeah but he hits a lot of dribblers
by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano walks Duncan?
WTF?
And then Molina beats out an infield single? Time to buy a lottery ticket…..
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's 'gazelle" in Spanish?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kuso!
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I may begin to dislike Bob Brenly
before this one is over
by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The sweet thing about digitalVCR
is that you can pause it for 30 seconds and then listen to John and Mike on KTRS through mlb.com
Living in Cleveland, I can only watch the game on WGN.
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 4, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be so sweet
I wish I was techie enough to do things like that.
So far Brenly has insulted about half our team.
by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have hated Brenly for years now.
Always feel like he secretly hates the birds.
by fuegophil on Jul 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh christ, time to change it to WGN
i’d rather hear homer santo than church at the ballpark.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure the KC area
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please tell me DLee didn't hit that as far as Gameday shows
Yikes.
by rencelas on Jul 4, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just shy of the warning track
Rick went back and made an over-the-shoulder catch.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was it?
I thought it was a little less. oh well… still wasn’t anywhere as far as gameday showed.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, all that matters is he caught it on the green
doesn’t matter. but the damn cheer when he hit it makes me madder than just about anything. Cards fans who sold their season tickets for today to cubs fans should lose season ticket privileges for next year. i feel like I’m watching an away game.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't close to that far
20 feet short of the track at least.
by Tackle Box on Jul 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy who?
great catch, rick.
Mrs. Pujols is amazing. Well done, albert.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lee and soto and fukadome
have all hit the ball hard off of looper
by 916baller on Jul 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fukudome hit the second one so hard
miles and AK weren’t able to turn it into a double play despite playing it perfectly.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why swing at the first pitch time after time?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
skip should’ve been out by about 100 miles there.
by tomsteele on Jul 4, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing that is never listed...
I’d love to know the bat length and weight that each player uses.
Is there a sight that lists that?
mattnj
by mattnj on Jul 4, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See if they go after AP here
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dammit
2nd time Zambrano has gotten Pujols on the slider.
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damni't Albert!
stop trying to hit a HR every time you come up
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man
I think it’s going to take some alcohol to make it thru this game.
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CHUG CHUG CHUG
CHUG
CHUG
CHUG
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brenly at it again
he implied the ovation for Edmonds his first time up was mostly visiting Cub fans
by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that looked like a strike to me blue
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great play by chris duncan
no hesitation, ran the line drive down.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice catch
by duncan on the run…sometimes he’s an adventure out there
by 916baller on Jul 4, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what an AB
jeez Jimmy.
At the rate Loop is going, the bullpen will probably have three innings tonight.
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AL said LOOP threw that last pitch to Jimmy right where he wanted to
well, AL, no he didn’t. Yadda set up low & he hung the pitch. 5 years ago Jimmy would have put that pitch over the wall
sadly, bad announcers aren’t the only onea sitting behind the flubs mics
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this already bad day just keeps getting worse
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the bad part about a "Heisenberg strike zone"
Uncertainty about whether you’re going to get the call makes you groove too many after you don’t.
It’s long past time for automated ball/strike calling. This really gets old.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 4, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
ball 2 was def outside, but #3 caught the corner. Loop did a “nice job of pitching”, if the ump gets it right, and instead “blew it by grooving a 3-2 pitch”.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loop really got fucked by the ump on that one
The umps should be major league too!
mattnj
by mattnj on Jul 4, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey blue!
if it’s a strike for Z, it’s a strike for LOOP!
got it?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope TLR starts giving it to the ump!
mattnj
by mattnj on Jul 4, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano
has the cruise control on. Ugh.
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Z comes off the DL like Koufax. Mulder like coldfux
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why are the cardinals swinging at balls?
mattnj
by mattnj on Jul 4, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Z is a good pitcher
and that’s what good pitchers make you do. Gotta get the Flubs swinging at balls too.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 4, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody must have come over the fence
Dave and Chris can’t be related.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 4, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
loop
cant seem to get to many swings and misses. Fouling off everything.
by get up baby on Jul 4, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yet another ball Boog would have got to
please stop torturing us Tony
i can’t take much more
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"grounder up the middle, and past aaron miles"
seems to be something we hear a lot. better get some hits soon, mini-nick.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had a real shortstop playing the position
that gets old real quick
by azruavatar on Jul 4, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think if Ryan pretended he could switch hit
that he’d get to play these games? Even if he k’d twice on 3 pitches each batting left, he’d have been more productive than miles has been, so far today.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what really pissed me off last month
was Tony said in a post game that Mini Me is playing out of position when he’s at SS.
yet who’s the freaking genius that keeps putting him there over & over & over & over again?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish
pujols could have turned that dp
by 916baller on Jul 4, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
way to chase
fuk looked awful on that k
by 916baller on Jul 4, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Loop @ 90 thru 5
gotta get some runs on the board for him….
by nota bene on Jul 4, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not a 'great' game for the Loop
but he is still in line for a ‘he deserved better’
by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we've stung the ball a couple of times now
but right at people every time…
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 4, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards bringing broken bats to the plate. Commission to study such using Cards' bats as test sample
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are there any worms left alive on that infield?
by the Tewk on Jul 4, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gusano worm in Spanish - Castro name for political opponents . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 4, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've turned the commentary off...
...and put Massive Attack on. At least I can’t be accidentally optimistic this way.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 4, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FINALLY
ALBERT WITH 300!!!!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 4, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs





















