Game 111 overflow
by lboros on Jul 31, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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Print8:00 p.m.? must be time for an overflow . . . . . go get the sweep, gents.
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I told my wife before the inning started
I have a bad feeling about Piniero going another inning. I hate those bad feelings.
oh brother
what a tough choice….
ERA+, 2008—
JP: 89
JM: 96
ERA+, career—
JP: 96
JM: 96
think I’m gonna go barf now.
Six runs against an AAA
lineup…..well, say adios to your starting job, Joel
do not understand why you say that
they are not going to just keep on throwing him out there when there are better options
They say I look like yadier molina
Brad Thompson could switch roles with Pin
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Until we need someone to relieve Carp during pitch count concerns, or Welly, or when Waino comes back..
Thompson has been badass in long relief, if anything let’s not fix something that has actually been working in the pen
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
weird, I just typed in a reply to this and hit post and it disappeared
where did it go? I was just saying that you were right. Pineiro just needs to do his job better
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Boggs needs a changeup
his slurve is cake for LHB and they’re sitting on an overexposed (though, a brilliant) fastball.
LHB splits are the core of why he has issues.
When he has that changeup, he’ll be ok
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
There are?
Could you explain who is the better option?
Seriously
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Thompson is overvalued as a starter, and has shoulder fatigue issues.
Garcia is a prospect that we need to protect from inning burn out as he has injury concerns too.
Who else?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
stamina
definitely an issue, but we’re also 2/3 of the way thru the season. Maybe Tony could have Garcia AND Thompson work as tag team starters…..one starts and tries to get the game to the 4th or 5th, and then the other guy tries to get it to the back of the bullpen in the 8th or 9th.
I dunno. Pineiro is looking pretty pathetic recently….
when Wainwright comes back
it’ll be him or Looper (presumably). I don’t know who goes to the pen. I wouldn’t say no chance in hell but I wouldn’t say that Tony and Duncan will see many better options either.
If Carp is ok and Waino comes back, I’ll agree. But those aren’t known quantities at the moment, thus they aren’t true options.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You and I both HC, you and I both
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
amen borther
he gets a couple more, 3 at the most, to prove he doesn’t go to the pen. and that all depends of when wainer comes back
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
With Welly, Carp, Waino all having injury and short inning issues for the short to long term, and with Pin lacking any real depth innings wise – Thompson is better suited to long man, we need him there.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
not right now
but he’s toast before next year
who?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pineiro
it’s amazing how similar his numbers were entering this game to last year’s.
‘07 - 97.2 IP, 110 H, 14 HR, 26 BB, 60 K
‘08 - 97.2 IP, 120 H, 11 HR, 25 BB, 49 K
I know there was some sort of mystical presumption that Duncan would turn him into a good pitcher, but the results so far this year don’t bear that out.
i think he did pitch better
when he came over to the nl, but yes he got a lil over hyped as being something special
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
And it was about 70 innings or so that he pitched for us....
I think everyone got excited because he did better than everyone else we had. Definitely bought high IMO.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Unfortunately we ponied up the cash for him
Blech
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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I wish that
this was one of those games where our offense steps it up and both teams score like 12 runs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know if we have a come back in us tonight
3 of 4 isn’t bad, even though we should sweep a team with this bad of a lineup. Thank you Jason Larue and Joel Pineiro.
Let’s hope the boys can take care of business at home FOR ONCE, and beat the Phils.
boo cubs, hooray beer
ball needs to be caught.
"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre
you didn't stay on your home row
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"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
kj
is making jp look good
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
KJ = throwing in the towel
TLR says “No mas”
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hmm
I think three runs was doable… I’m not sure 4 is. Come on redbirds! pull this one out!
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
we lost this game
when we failed to get more than 2 off that 4-A pitcher, Mike Hampton, and Pineiro gave back the lead before the fire got hot!
blech
this game is upsetting my stomach
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
nothing a few franklins couldnt fix
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 31, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
but alas
no Franklins here in the computer lab.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, this Atlanta team sucks
but a 4-4 road trip still isn’t bad, and we’re still tied for first in the WC
Lets just kick some Philly ass.
boo cubs, hooray beer
after dumping 4 to the crew
they needed to take advantage and get these 4
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
no they didn't
because the brewers lost all 4 to the cubs.
This (possible )loss isn’t a big deal.
boo cubs, hooray beer
thank you
we needed a voice of reason right about now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
this night has a strangeness about it. but I’ve felt like I’ve been tripping since reading westcoastbirdwatchers comments on the trade deadline thread. If anyone hasn’t read that yet, it’s some bizarre stuff (which is the understatement of the week).
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you'll need more than that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we all jinxed it
we acted as if the sweep was a given
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
but then again we didn't know that TLR
was going to start iztoo at 3B and leadoff, and bench Yadi and Glaus simultaneously
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
imagine Molina coming up in the first with the bases loaded instead of Larue. Especially with the way that Molina crushed LH Pitching.
But, you knew TLR would run out his scrub lineup tonight, so it’s not that big of a surprise.
boo cubs, hooray beer
I’ve made a lot of coin betting against Tony when he is going for a sweep or has the series win.
Of course this is with my logical non fanatic team loyalty hat on
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Luddy ok?
where did it hit him?
Milt Thompson FTW!
hand
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 31, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that's true
but i’m trying to be an optimist here or something, don’t rain on it!
boo cubs, hooray beer
I'm pissy
after watching Pineiro pitch like Jimenez and Jimenez pitch like Pineiro and our offense’s complete inability to hit Hampton. How we allowed him to hang around for 5 innings is beyond me. He’s awful.
Look at the lineup TLR put out there
that’s all you need to know on why we didn’t rake Hampton. Izturis, Ryan, LaRue, Miles as your #6 hitter? This lineup was destined to get shut down. Especially against a soft tossing lefty.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Is there any doubt, that the Angels are the best team in baseball?
and damn, does that make me happy. Because if , god forbid, the Cubs make the World Series, I don’t think they stand any chance against the Angels.
boo cubs, hooray beer
run diff's
cubs at freaking 130…
though hey, once you get into the post-season it’s pretty much luck from there on out…
by duncans_army on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
when does atlanta's
batting practice end?
hope they keep practicing when the crew comes to visit
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
I know Atlanta is a good cure for a team that just got 4 game swept
but I think they are going to take 2 of 3 from the Brewers. I don’t know why, I just foresee it happening.
boo cubs, hooray beer
hitters
don’t usually walk during BP.
Where are all the “boy, Jimenez has looked great since his call-up!” people tonight?
he finally had to go back to getting results
the old Jimenez way didn’t he. Why did I have hope he could pull through?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
hope KJ finishes this game
and we don’t have to waste another pitcher
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at least it shouldn't be
extremely difficult to score 5 or more runs on the ATL’s bullpen… but we also need to save up some runs for the Phillies series, as scientific as that sounds.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know
One would think that resting Glaus and Yadi would pay dividends as the season trolls along.
I’d rather see a game lost that was with Pin at the helm and Kelvin cleaning up than losing one where we have a starter rolling and a pen coughs it up, or burning a few guys in the pen.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
We might as well just assume that we’ll lose any game Pineiro starts from now on.
boo cubs, hooray beer
maybe Pin told Tony he didn't have the stuff tonight
and to rest the some of the Big Guys. but maybe I’m giving him too much credit
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
that looked good off the bat
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
I can't wait for Pineiro's post game comment
“I felt I had my good stuff out there, I just made a few bad pitches and they capitalized”
boo cubs, hooray beer
" ... hey, I kept us in the game - "
“give them credit. They hit good pitches.”
There's some fucking pros out there that wanna fucking play the game ... ... but you're stuck in the fucking stigma of the fucking Dodgers, and the Phillies, and the Cardinals, and all that cheap shit.
by Urban Pawnee on Jul 31, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
what's your sig from?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee Elia, April 1983
verbatim
There's some fucking pros out there that wanna fucking play the game ... ... but you're stuck in the fucking stigma of the fucking Dodgers, and the Phillies, and the Cardinals, and all that cheap shit.
by Urban Pawnee on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
"You know, I got mixed messages from the team today."
”...Tony puts together that lineup, I think they’ve given up. They get the bases loaded with 1 out and 2-0 lead in the first, I think they want to win. Jason LaRue hits into a crippling double play. I think they give up. I get us the lead back, I think they want to win. Albert Pujols hits into a double play that costs us 2 runs, I think they give up. If they just woulda told me what they wanted me to do, I would have done it.”
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
those two double plays absolutely killed us
this is a tough one to swallow
They say I look like yadier molina
Joel : “I suck shit and Tony doesn’t like me. I give up runs to build team character through adversity. LaRue’s facial hair is a distraction, I miss Yadi. I love Yadi, he’s my soulmate.”
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
"Seriously..."
”...why does Tony keep giving me LaRue? All he does it drop foul-tipped strike 3s all the time. Do you even realize what my ERA would be if ‘ole mutten-chops could hold on to the damn ball?”
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe he's bitching about having a different catcher
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, we’re being sarcastic. these aren’t actual quotes
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Angels
I’m watching the Angels game. It’s so depressing to think of our bullpen after watching one like theirs.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Are the Dodgers the favorites in the West
by picking up Manny? I think they are. The Dodgers were missing that one big impact bat since Andrew Jones was a failure to put them over the top in my opinion. As long as Manny doesn’t dog it in LA I would think they are the favorites to win the weak NL West now. I can’t stand Manny but I will laugh if he hits some monster HRs in the playoffs against the Cubs and knocks them out. Manny vs. Big Z will be quite a sight.
I’m happy for Griffey that he might get one last chance in the playoffs. Griffey is about done but I think he has a few more good months left in him.
and hes just started to hit well too
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 31, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Felipe Lopez was released
yet another terrible MIF that is still better than Izturis.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 1, 2008 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
Seriously
why can non-contending teams release their awful players but we can’t seem to bring ourselves to do it?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 1, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I brought this up in a game thread last weekend
about how the Cards over the past couple of years seem to refuse to DFA/release anyone during the season. It puzzles me to no end. We either put them on the DL (Izzy, Flores, Duncan) or keep them on the bench (Kennedy) or we keep troting them out there (Izturis).
How lucky is Adam Kennedy and Izturis….if they were with any other team in baseball (especially a contender) I would think they would have been released months ago….Kennedy and Flores for sure.
A lot of the moves and decisions the front office has made since 2006
has been puzzling and weird and some even borderline silly to me. This includes Walt at the end of his run and now with Mo. For every good move (Rolen for Glaus) (signing Lohse) we get 3 or 4 pretty poor ones like the signings of Izturis, Kennedy, the extentions of Pinero and Franklin and giving C. Duncan numerous chances to be up with the team when he isn’t hitting a lick.
remember that game Joel pitched vs the Mets last year?
yeah, uh, what happened to that guy?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I hope he comes back soon because he was nowhere to be found in July.
In six starts this month, Pineiro has allowed 56 hits and 24 runs in 33 innings. Now THAT IS UGLY!!
What drives me crazy
is that this team can get my hopes up like the first 3 games of the Braves series and then we get another outing from Joel that reminds me that we are a team with essentially three #4 starters with Pinero, Looper & Wellemeyer in our rotation. I hate to say it but man I envy the Cubs rotation compaired to ours.
Will FOX get their dream post season?
It’s still two months until October but you just know the suites up at FOX Sports are dreaming of a playoffs with All the big markets involved. looking at the standings this could be a reality.
Can you imagine their ratings wet dream of these teams getting into the playoffs.
AL: New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago
NL: New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles.
Of course let’s hope the Cardinals, Rays, Snakes, Twins and Marlins burst their bubble.
Yes, it is possible
but not likely. New York (NL) won’t make the playoffs. Only one of New York/Boston will make the playoffs. Arizona is going to win the West.
The most likely scenerio?
AL: Tampa, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles
NL: Philadelphia, Chicago, Miami, Arizona
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 1, 2008 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your scenerio
although I am picking the Dodgers over Arizona. But something tells me to not count out the Twins in the AL Central.
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