deadline day overflow thread
by lboros on Jul 31, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
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Print350 comment by lunchtime on today's main thread, so here's an overflow. we were talking about bret farve, ken griffey jr, kyle lohse, chris carpenter, branden wood, and stuff like that there . . . .
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lol
Nice
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Only it gets to haunt Terry Francona in real life
rather than his dreams. Just think how fun it will be to manage Manny the rest of this year…
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Calling it here
Within a week…
Manny DFA’ed
Barry signed to patrol LF
do you think we could get brett Farve for Kyle Lohse?
I really don’t have much to add expect that I’d agree with HCL. I’d be upset if pittsburgh trades Snell to the Mets and we didn’t make a play on him.
For Lohse, I think we should go after Freddy Krueger
I heard he has a wicked cutter. No good in day games though.
That would give new meaning to the term
“cut” fastball.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Lohse for Julian tavarez?
I’ll pass.
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
He does have a pretty good arm
Could be the reliever we were looking for
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Chad Hutchinson taught me
NO quaterbacks as relievers
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Just as Michael Jordan taught me
NO all-star PGs as LFs
Fun fact: I saw him play a minor league baseball game for the Birmingham Barons
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Interesting
As of 2007, Hutchinson lives with his wife, and his son. Hutchinson’s wife is the sister of baseball player Todd Walker.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
since he used to play football
he’d be a great injection of grit into our team. if only he were a punter instead of qb…
Grit
there is only so much one team can take, and I believe Super Mario has enough for all of em.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 31, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget The Eagles!
You say you haven’t been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let’s kill all the lawyers, kill ‘em tonight
You don’t want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn’t owe you a thing
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
As per Don Henley:
That’s “Eagles,” no “The.”
by Hal Lanier's Pants on Jul 31, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you still need a lower case 'the'
Because “Don’t forget Eagles!” sounds like a caveman phrase
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Why
are you assuming Don Henley is not a caveman?
Cavemen love Eagles!!!
by Hal Lanier's Pants on Jul 31, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Should I swing by the ATL airport on my way to the game to see if I recognize any big name players?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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I'm already at Lambert
on my PDA. I think I just saw AJ Burnett at a pretzel stand.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
David Ortiz-san!
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Papi-san!
like this?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 31, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb
and say that the Cardinals will make no deals.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
same here
it really doesn’t feel like anything will be happening for us. kinda disappointing.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Disappointing, but not necessarily a bad thing
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Anyone think Mo isn't getting anything done because he is a rookie GM
and other GMs know this and are asking too much for players because of this thinking he will make a “rookie mistake”?
Seeing the Yankees get players for basically nothing shows that you don’t have to sell the farm. I admit I will be a little upset if we do nothing to help the bullpen or maybe get ANY SS to help this team that is currently tied for the wild card with two months to play. I know we can get a few pieces without having to trade the farm.
I doubt it
he used to do all the paperwork for Jocketty. They know he isn’t an idiot.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He has to make moves
So hopefully he can keep his job
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If he stands pat
and the team doesn’t completely fall apart, I’d be pretty amazed if he doesn’t keep his job. For the most part, he has done really well this year.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I know, I know.
I wasn’t saying anything negative. I’m just saying that it’s not like Mo has the job security that a lot of other GMs do have.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Sorta getting things done...
The M’s sure would like to trade Washburn and probably Ibanez for some prospects.
naw
He moved Rolen and Edmonds. Two people I thought we be hard to move. I think we are just over-valuing or stuff this year.
Must be nice to be over-valuing stuff
Think there alot of teams would stand pat if they were tied for the wild card right now with a couple of holes to fix. Look I’m not saying we should trade Rasmus & Garcia but doing nothing to help this bullpen when we are in the thick of the playoff hunt with no guarantee we wil be in this position next year or in 2010 is pretty gutsy since they are charging the loyal fans some of the highest ticket prices in baseball. So I guess because we won the WS in 2006, there’s no need to try and get into the playoffs for a few more years…..nah…we should be nice and lets the Cubs have their turn I guess.
eh
on your point that there is no guarantee we will be in it the next 2 years…we probably will. pitt isn’t getting any better..cincy might…and the cubs and brewers are mortaging their future with all the moves they are making and it will probably take them a while to turn it back around. we are about the only ones who look like we are in a position to compete today and in the long run.
Cubs really aren't mortgaging their future all that much
they have a pretty young core, and a ton of money. There are no guarantees, but I’d expect them to be good for at least the next two or three years.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
actually...
The Cubs may have sold what was left of thier shallow farm system off this year. But they do have Zambrano for a few years. And if he is healthy you can’t count them out completely.
Cubs
Soriano – 32
Lee – 32
Ramirez – 30
Fukudome – 31
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well, none of their star players are geezers quite yet
and they have that james edwards kid, i hear he’s had some success with them this year. i had never heard of him before.
but it would be great if all four of those guys started getting old at exactly the same time.
And
Zambrano – 27
Harden – 26
Marmol – 25
Soto – 25
Those guys are definite “core” guys. All but Harden are signed beyond 2009, too.
The Cubs look to to be good for a whlie.
by Hal Lanier's Pants on Jul 31, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
marmol?
he is far from a definite core guy. sure, you can try to build your bullpen around him, but dude has been imploding over the last 2 months.
he'd be fine if they didn't overuse him
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's always had control issues though
I agree, he’s been overused, but with the rest of that bullpen, it’s sorta warrented.
But, I do question his ability to be a legit closer. He has always had stints of complete wildness.
Really?
I agree with Zambrano and Harden but Marmol has major control issues and Soto was a below average prospect that got hot for a year. He has returned to reality.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Since June 1st
.249 BA/.311 OBP/.422 SLG/ .733 OPS
He wasn’t a very good player in the minor leagues. The odds of him ‘staying hot’ for the rest of his career is unlikely.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cubs will be a contender next season
and they will be getting new ownership next year too…maybe even Mark Cuban who will spend even more money on the team. The Cubs will be contenders for a few more years…it would be a mistake to think they are going to be a celler dweller in the next year. The NL Central won’t be a cakewalk for us next year. and maybe even in 2010.
No, it doesn;t
not in baseball because you have to get 75% of the owners to agree, I believe.
I’d put my money on Hank Aaron’s group getting the rights.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You could be right...but I still have a feeling that Cuban will win out
because he is going to up the offer above everybody that’s bidding. And I think he will somehow get a little over 75% of the owners to agree…it will be interesting for sure.
He's got the biggest offer
and he’s threatening a lawsuit. There’s more and more who think the owners will comply with him since the lawsuit would bring the whole thing that exempts them from being a monolopy (I’m drawing a blank on what that’s called at the moment).
ugh.
the thought of mark cuban owning the cubs makes me sick to my stomach.
by launchshuttle on Jul 31, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well he don't have them yet...
and just because you have a moneybags owner, that is no “open sesame” to instant championships…the Dallas Mavericks have won how many NBA titles???
it's not even that.
just think about how much more we’d have to hear about the cubs if he owned them. ugh.
by launchshuttle on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well there is that...
I’d be waiting for the first time he stands up in his box seats behind the dugout to give the umpires shit after a bad call..that would be worth the price of admission right there
i actually would probably enjoy cuban in baseball.
i just don’t want him owning the cubs. i live in dallas, so i really enjoy his antics (just wish he didn’t do that stupid jason kidd trade, but that’s beside the point). he definitely makes things interesting.
by launchshuttle on Jul 31, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what is the plan with texas stadium these days?
kind of random question, but i went to the university of dallas, a small catholic university right next to the stadium (people can park on campus for home games) so obviously i was in dallas for a while. i’ve since lost track of what they’re gonna do with it.
honestly, i have no clue.
i really haven’t heard much about it. however, i try my hardest to not pay attention to the cowboys which can prove to be quite difficult around here.
when did you graduate from UD?? i have quite a few friends who went there. i think most graduated in ‘04.
by launchshuttle on Jul 31, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
cool. i've been wondering about that lately.
graduated in ‘06. great little school. they have an abroad program in rome which is fantastic. it’s possible i knew (or knew of) someone you knew, but not too likely, i’m afraid. i had hermit-liek tendencies until the second half of my sophomore year, which was 03/04.
actually, I don't mind Cuban at all
as you know from being down there, he’s MUCH more accessible to the average fan than 90% of the people owning any sports franchise…and thats what I think the establishment has against him…they are not as bad as they used to be, but baseball ownership is pretty stodgy as a group.
He's said he'd sit in the bleachers...
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
if that's true, that's just what I mean
the only owner in recent times I remember mingling with the unwashed was Bill Veeck…can you see DeWitt sitting in the bleachers???
Doesnt basketball have a cap, though?
I dont know much about the sport
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by jealousblues on Jul 31, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
I believe baseball is the only major sport without one.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 31, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been thinking about these crazy Jason Bay rumors
and it finally occurred to me, maybe they are trying to get him and will then trade him in the off-season.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Sometimes I wonder
do Rosenthal and Olney and those guys REALLY know what they are talking about, or are they just pulling stuff out of their ass?
Sometimes I wonder
if they are each other’s source.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I wonder how the teams have time to get deals done if all their doing is feeding rumors to Rosenthal, Gammons, Olney, and Stark
Rumors are part of the negotiation system
and these reporters know they play a central role in the process. Sometimes a GM would like to do a deal that has not even been proposed, so it gets leaked to gauge the other team’s interest.
I think these guys have valid sources, but that their sources are just playing them to their advantage. Because Olney et al. get the attention they are more than happy to comply and leak stuff, which in turn gets all the fans excited, which is good for baseball.
I don’t see any problem with it, but I did like the way Jocketty operated outside this arena.
Just let me know when the deals are done. Any speculation before that is just that, speculation, and I don’t waste my time considering it.
I hear that...
I’m old enough to remember when the trade deadline was June 15…there was no internet or ESPN and the only time you heard about a deal was on the radio or TV, usually during a Cards broadcast, or read about it in the newspaper or the Sporting News.
yep…that was waaaaaaaay back there…
I wonder how many hits MLBTraderumors
Is getting today, I think it was supposed to be over million. That site slowly worked into my daily read over the year
Isn't it kind of Ironic...
that Steve Phillips was spouting off about what Omar Maniya should be doing?
I don't remember those lyrics
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Heh
That’s funny
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Actually...
... I think it’s supposed to be “meeting the girl of your dreams… and finding out she’s 5.”
Longer version:
Donal Logue
Unbelievably underappreciated actor.
Did ANYONE other than me watch The Knights of Prosperity? Great show, that was shit on by ABC. I think they were putting it up against American Idol and then complained it didn’t get ratings.
Never heard of it...
... but I do confess to watching that terrible sitcom they re-run on ABC Family all the time…
I heard it was good but never watched it
blame me! j/k I was very angry when they canceled The Winner
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's ironic
whenever Phillips says what ANY GM should be doing.
On with the (good) youth movement!
it's mike lincoln all over again
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
it's too bad
One of the great stories from the 2006 champs. And we could sure use him in the pen right about now. (Same for Tyler Johnson too, for that matter…)
Bay to the Rays?
Hey, why don’t I just go and eat some hay. I can lay by the bay, make things out of clay, I just may, what’d ya say?
Bernie says that any Fuentes deal that might have been
is now dead. Thank goodness!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
Rockies turning up heat for Fuentes
They will hold onto him unless other teams upgrade their offers.
Heard here on local radio about rumors Ludwick plus a couple of minors for Holliday
yep, hour and a half to go
but there’s still waivers
by from First to Third on Jul 31, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rather take the draft picks
You here GM’s say they are getting bad offers and rather take the picks. What are the odds that a First Rounder becomes a MLB caliber player? It seems like it would be a lot smarter to trade for someone who was at least closer to being MLB than any new draftee next year
It's about 50% or so that a first rounder makes the majors and sticks
probably a little higher than that, but not all that much. They’ve probably gotten better at projecting those guys in the last few years, but we won’t have a real answer on that until five or six years from now.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Of course
it depends on which team is doing the picking, but most of the outstanding players in the bigs were either 1st, supp, or 2nd round picks. Unless, of course, they were international free agents.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
But even there, there are a bunch of notable exceptions,
And I would also say that it seems like 2nd rounders make the majors at almost the same rate that first rounders do, and you have a bunch of HoF-caliber guys getting drafted in the second round or lower. Drafting is an art more than it is a science, I think.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
or Mike Piazza. I"m sure there are some others
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Volquez for Carpenter trade?
Weekly H2H fantasy league. I currently own Carpenter. Do I make the trade?
Carpenter: Unproven in 08, but a past cy young and fresh on the season
Volquez: Rookie phenom, but fading a bit and already more IP than he ever has
I’m in 2nd place in the league, so I’m looking for the best lineup to take into the playoffs…
People who talk about their fantasy teams are lame
But i figure its more pertinent on trade deadline day than Favre talk…
Tough question
One thing that might help sway you is that Carp probably won’t be up to a normal workload IP-wise for another 2 weeks.
On with the (good) youth movement!
is it a keeper league??
if so, i think i stick with carp. if not, i pull the trigger…
Not a keeper league
So basically i just want to know which pitcher is going to be the best for the end of September. I hate trying to see into the future.
If you're in second...
you’ll probably make the playoffs…I think Carp is the safe bet to give you three or four good starts at the end of Sept…Volquez may have burned up by then.
I'd take the guy
more likely to get the most wins - Carp - by virtue of being on a better team. keeper league—Volquez.
Edmonds goes deep
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 31, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
Harden just bunts
into a heads up double play.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jimmy helps the Cubs get to the WS and he gets hot on the grandest stage
he might be punching his ticket into the HOF. This has been a career saver for him.
Are we going to retire his number?
I sure think we should.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
He won't go in
wearing something else.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Except
he probably won’t go in, period.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Boyer's not in the hall (though he should be) and his number's retired
Edmonds is every bit as borderline as Boyer is
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
That is the only reason I don't feel bad that he went to the Cubs
He is doing what he has to try and get in the HOF
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If all these "rumors" are to be believed, Manny's price is dropping
Mo needs to wait until just the right time and then offer Chris Duncan for him.
LOL!! I think if the Sox trade Manny they will not make the playoffs
even if they get Bay. I hate Manny but he is a hell of an impact player for the Red Sox and they would really miss his bat come mid to late September.
It doesn't help
when Beckett is getting hit around.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 31, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
um
he has obviously given up in boston. have you watched their last 3 games? dude has just been walking down to first whenever he puts the bat on the ball.
You won't miss much
I really doubt Mo is even on the phone with any GM right now. 2006 was good enough for this ownership. No need to try to do a few small moves make the postseason this season.
Not making moves
is not the same as not trying to make moves. With as many rumors as we’ve heard involving the Cards, I seriously doubt Mo didn’t try to make moves.
by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Than maybe I could start doing someting productive today
I have no clue how you guys get any work done with internet at work. If I owned a company no way would I allow my employees full internet access.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
haven't seen anyone mention it...
but the only prescription for Mark Mulder is…
MORE COWBELL! (Cowbell = Rest, for all intents and purposes)
by longhornscardinals on Jul 31, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
jim edmonds
just hit a grand slam. second homer of the day. padres are stupid.
Aaron Miles is worth it.
well, i was gonna say that even Edmonds admits
his resurgence is a product of Wrigley… but theyre in Milwaukee.
by longhornscardinals on Jul 31, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
actually..
I heard that he stopped taking his post-concussion meds and he no longer feels “groggy” and he can see the ball much better.
well, I'd just heard some quote from him
saying that in Petco, he couldn’t get enough to get the ball out, but in Wrigley even his pop-flys can carry.
maybe it was tounge-in-cheek.
by longhornscardinals on Jul 31, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true about most hitters
Petco is where homeruns go to die! Is it not ironic that Izturis hit is lone homerun there
They say I look like yadier molina
somehow it makes perfect sense though
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
I’ll take our outfield right now.
Edmonds is one of my favorite players to ever play, but we made a good move.
On with the (good) youth movement!
not saying it was a bad move
But had he been playing well, we would have gotten more than Freese. Of course we may not have made the trade then either..
Edmonds granny
looks like one of his hot streaks are starting up.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
One of my Cub fan friends
makes sure to tell me immediately every time Edmonds does something good. Dammit.
We're better off with the outfield we have now
Next year, too.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know the Cards made the right move
But, you know, it’s Edmonds. I miss the guy.
You should tell him
every time David Freese does something good.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They stopped shortly after the acquisition
‘cause he had a mini hot streak.
just remind him who our center fielder is
I would take Ricky at this stage in their careers for sure
They say I look like yadier molina
I just got IM'd, too
“if you didn’t know, the cubs have 5 runs on an edmonds solo homer followed by an edmonds granny”
Ass.
shouldn't this be a good thing?
i mean, it makes more sense to me that we’d want the cubs to sweep the brewers and give us a better chance to catch them rather than the two teams to “tread water” against each other and still be ahead of us. is that logical? i know it’s tough to wish the cubs success, but that’s how i’ve seen this series.
I was hoping for a sweep
granted, I wanted the Brewers to sweep the cubs, but I guess I’ll settle for it the other way.
Well, if they had treaded water, then we'd be fewer games back of the lead
if the brewers swept, it would be virtually a three way tie for the division lead right now. I think the logical thing when this sort of thing happens is to cheer for the team farther down in the standings.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
i getcha. at the beginning of the four-game i would say the same thing, and i neglected that angle
but since the cubs won the first two i’d rather they just keep beating the brewers down while they’re at it.
Mo to be on the "Roll Home" with Bernie & Randy today
Should be interesting to hear.
Points that will be made:
1. Wainwright will be our bullpen savior
2. There was nobody out there that could help our team for now and for the future.
3. The asking price for players were way to high.
ugh
the thought of listening to that same exact bullshit for another year makes me want to vomit.
boo cubs, hooray beer
And what he won't mention is that ticket prices might go up again next season
as the team ‘stands pat.”
What move would you have made?
In this environment, unless they were gong to trade for Manny, what the hell could they have done? Making a move to make a move doesn’t make much sense to me.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
A lefthanded
reliever would have been high on my list….
...or trade off some of the parts we have to build for next year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
he should absolutely be on the radio and not working. Or, is this after 4 pm EST?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
and what kind of is BS
is they couldnt even get a LHRP
(unless they do ;-) and it hasnt been reported)
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by jealousblues on Jul 31, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
about dem Brewers
Were it not for our bullpen funk, we would’ve taken at least 2 or 3 games from the Brewers. Now they’re getting swept by the Cubs. I’m thinking they might be a tad overrated after all…
I posted yesterday
about 6 games the Cardinals were tied or had the lead in the 8th inning vs the Brewers and blew it. They’d be sellers at the deadline if our bullpen was atrocious.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
right
that’s why we shouldn’t be counting ourselves out. Even if the Cubs keep rollin’, the wild card isn’t out of reach.
On with the (good) youth movement!
no shit it is not outta reach
there is a very good chance that we will be atop of it at the end of the day
They say I look like yadier molina
Until our next encounter
with Milwaukee
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
did we get a relieve that won’t blow every game? I must’ve missed that.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Ladies and gentlemen...
Joe Namath!
by longhornscardinals on Jul 31, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam Wainwright,
Bullen savior. Just ask The Mad Hungarian.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, we replaced mitch boggs with Chris Carpenter, who will be able to go 7 IP by mid-August
And, Wainwright will add another reliever to the bullpen, either directly, or by forcing Loop or Piñeiro to go to the ‘pen. I’d trust either of those guys with a lead more than I would most of our bullpen guys. Not to mention that Jíminez wold be optioned to make room for Wainer
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Off to Atlanta to meet up with my old friends for the game
Look for me on TV tonight, I’ll be wearing red!
Also, a big thunderstorm just popped up an hour east of Atlanta, hopefully it’s fine and dandy down there.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Bay to Rays
According to MLBTradeRumors.com
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Good for us
I didn’t want Marlins to get Manny with 7 more games to go
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, they can still
deal him directly with Florida.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
I’ve gotta say, as uneventful as this has been for the Cards, this has been one of more eventful deadlines around the league. Quite a few names have actually been moved.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Marlins don't really have a suitable replacement
Sox are right in the hunt, they aren’t going to downgrade themselves into oblivion to dump Manny.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
witching hour is upon us
I wonder if we will see some dumb deals, hopefully houston makes another move
by from First to Third on Jul 31, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
what a great freaking return for the Bucs
I wish we could’ve moved Ludwick for that package
boo cubs, hooray beer
really?
looks pretty weak to me. What am I missing?
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
Agreed
Rays don’t need Niemann and they have the number one draft choice in a SS coming up through the minors.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Yep, was a great trade for the Rays
they needed some offense, had a hole in RF that Bay can fill, didn’t give up any players with a future in their organization.
boo cubs, hooray beer
the ss has to be better than any option that mgt will promote eventually
and I’m sure the P could be a decent long reliever or be used in AAA till next year
by from First to Third on Jul 31, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
With the Pirates Rotation
Will probably go straight in
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
With most rotations
Niemann somehow got really underrated in here. Low to mid 90s still from a 6’9 dude throwing over the top and over a K per inning for his career in the minors with good BB/HR rates.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
and that's what they got
for the face of the franchise, a guy with 35HR power signed to an affordable deal this year and next?
I just don’t see this helping the pirates, really. I guess brignac is young and playing at a high level, but he’s got a .733 OPS with a .304 OBP at AAA and had a .760 last year at AA. I guess it’s better than Wilson, but not that much.
Guess I may be under-rating Niemann.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
Freddy Sanchez
is the face of the franchise.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if so, that explains a lot...
(freddy is having a worse offensive year than AK and only really had one “very good” year)
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
if there is a franchise that is pretty much without a face
it would be the Pirates…I have no idea what they are trying to do, except dump salary
at least they didn't give him to the cubs
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
Jack Wilson HAS to be availible now
make it happen, Mo and send Izturis packing!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
A very good question
Barden + a lesser pitching prospect is my bet.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I state that in ignorance of Wilson's contract
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
$7.25 M
next year, buyout year after that.
The price tag should drive down the prospects.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't need another SS
they just got Brignac.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow!
That is a great haul. Yep, we need Jack WIlson.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They have
A couple other decent SS prospects
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are not the magic words
one uses when trying to do a deal with Pittsburgh.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
no Franklin way!
we already have a good field/ no hit SS. Why pay Jack Wilson whatever millions also?
He bats better than Izturis
by a pretty good margin.
.276/.325/.341
vs.
.229/.297/.287
has better range, I think, too.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Just eating his contract would be enough, I would think
Meaning that the prospect price ought to be low, as Hardcore points out. Plus, he is a pretty big upgrade offensively over Izturis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why does Firefox randomly 'Go Back' when I use the shift key
too much?
Anyways, I threw up his slash lines to show he is a remarkably better hitter, 20 points in OPS+, however I was shocked to see that Wilson had a worse RZR and OOZ, but that could have been because he started the season with a calf injury that has fully healed.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Past defensive metrics?
How do those compare to this season’s?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wilson had a .816
RZR last year with 76 plays out of zone. that was better than JJ Hardy.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Firefox hates the hell out of VeB for some reason on my computer, too
I’ve switched to Safari almost exclusively for this site
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Firefox likes VEB ok for me
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Val, thanks for the tip about Safari
I downloaded and installed…running much better now
tip o the cardinal cap!!
With his contract
He could be a waiver wire deal
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention that PIT should be pretty close to the top as far as waiver claims
so a waiver deal with them is a lot easier
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Why arent any of the Lefties
Besides Rhodes getting traded. All this talk about interest in all of them but none of them moving
i'd imagine the team will be a bit deflated today
it’s gotta be disappointing for players to not see any help on the way
boo cubs, hooray beer
it thats the case, i'll be pissed
they should know by now no help was coming. no matter how much Tony screamed for help, MOs hands were tied.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
he cant trade the Cards top prospects for vetran help
rightfully so of course.
so what else was he supposed to do? get a loogy? well yeah, but not if the asking price was too high. which from the lack of moves today, it looks like it was.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
in all defense
Tony did say “our bullpen is strong.”
Why he said it, I have no idea, but he did.
On with the (good) youth movement!
I think the only thing that will deflate them
will be the many HRs our staff will give up to Howard this weekend. I’m thinking he will hit at least 3 long balls against us…
As an avid reader of D-Rays bay, I thought I'd share their reaction with you all:
http://assets.sbnation.com:/imported_assets/15355/friedman.jpg
On with the (good) youth movement!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 31, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Edmonds is getting a standing O from Cubs fans at Miller park
that’s enough to make you sick.
boo cubs, hooray beer
haven't shown him much
but i’d imagine he is tying up a noose right about now in his office
boo cubs, hooray beer
he wore sunglasses...
to cover that up today.
by longhornscardinals on Jul 31, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
isnt that what he always looks like?
actually most of the time he looks like he doesnt even care whats happening on the field.
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Wow
5-0 Cubbies lead. We could take sole possession of the Wild Card tonight.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That or the
TOR-Halliday, Eckstein 4 Ludwick, Boggs,Perez rumor that popped up. I don’t remember I had 6 browser’s going just reading around and I get the great IE error, and have to send my error report. Why would we trade for eckstein, bleh
by from First to Third on Jul 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
to dump him
right back to the waiver wire. Well, that would depend on if we have to eat any contract.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 31, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
O and it wasn't valid just talk between people, sorry I don't want to start any speculation
was just a sick looking trade
by from First to Third on Jul 31, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hah
just showed Marquis chatting up Edmonds in the dugout.
by longhornscardinals on Jul 31, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
they had to pay back the brewers for sweeping the cards
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
poor Dave Bush...
really hasn’t pitched that awful – 4H in 7IP, he must’ve just thrown up meatballs to Edmonds assuming he’d get himself out.
by longhornscardinals on Jul 31, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Nothing much happening in the last hour or so (besides Bay)
Although a flurry of deals seem to always be announced after the deadline is over
Exactly
the Cards could still get some deals done and announce them after the deadline.
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I bet you a
Kip Wells $4.99 autographed baseball on eBay that no deals are made.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks
I would probably lose.
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Who would want to win with that as a prize?
Beckett lists its value at $.37
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Put it on your mantle
and it will remind you everyday of that season, you could also put a little sign on it that says NEVER AGAIN!
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I gave up on a deal being made
after I heard that TYLER GREENE was untouchable. I love prospects, but this organization is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overvaluing it’s own guys.
boo cubs, hooray beer
What?
Where was that printed?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wow
That seems silly. Rasmus, yes, untouchable. Probably Mortenson and Garcia, too. But, Greene? That just seems ridiculous.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Brewers amuse me
From
Four-game sweep in St. Louis. Shirt untuckin’, home-run struttin’. Dead aim on the Cubs.
to
Lose all four to the Cubs at home. Each game worse than the one before. Gotta be deflating.
Impressive pitching all series by the Cubs.
atleast they get to play the Braves next
and if we’ve learned one thing this week , it’s that the Braves lineup will cure what ails ya.
boo cubs, hooray beer
The prospect Florida gave up for Rhodes?
“The 21-year-old Hernandez went a combined 5-8 this season with a 6.47 ERA in 17 starts for Triple-A Albuquerque and Double-A Carolina.”
Story could be wrong, though...
My “actually” looked a bit sarcastic, didn’t mean it that way, haha…
yeah but they said he can pitch better than that
I hope meat
by from First to Third on Jul 31, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
turns out bay deal is not done
they might not want to give up brignac
Tdawg, you beat me to the punch
Too bad for us
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Great move by Atlanta
they need those LOOGYs as that battle for last place.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN deadline coverage:
“maybe Jason Bay will be dealt just before the wire. you just don’t know”
Yes. We Do. It happened 30 minutes ago.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Was it official?
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
Apparently not
However, it could be a little more complicated than that. According to another industry source in Pittsburgh, the Rays still are not believed to be offering both Brignac and Niemann. One, it is not known which, is deemed unavailable, along with Wade Davis, David Price and Jeremy Hellickson. A third baseball source also confirmed that no deal sending Bay to Tampa Bay is done as of 15 minutes prior to the deadline.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's odd
B/C the MLB.com guy has it done, but no one else is reporting it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Of course,
ESPN was a whole hour behind on the Junior approval, as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
what more do you guys want?
We got Chris Carpenter at the deadline and by 4:30, we’ll be leading the wild card!!!*
You are either a buyer or a seller. Standing still just seems silly.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
All I wanted was a LOOGY
Is that too much to ask after all of the money I’ve poored into concessions this season?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
no kidding
it’s not like we’re making high demands at all.
we just want a LOOGY.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Love this trade deadline
Not because of the moves being made but because of this auto-refresh thread LOVE IT!
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I know
I was just mentioning how much I love it, it makes things much easier.
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
More then a bitch
When you have dial-up like me…....
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
I would rather not have internet than go back to dial up
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i've been stuck on
internet-through-cellphone dialup this last month. It sucks, but it’s a LOT better than nothing…
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
"Dead Again"
...as of 3:03 p.m. cst:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8398506
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Now we wait for the dust to settle
Needless to say I am extremely disappointed we couldn’t even acquire a lefty for the bullpen. I think at 2:00 pm you should take a shot of Whiskey and take another every 10 minutes till you get enough balls to make a trade.
Rosenthal says that a source in Boston
says that Bay/Marlins/Manny is back on and that the Tampa Bay deal fell through.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
Meanwhile, in actual baseball
The Cubs are pounding the crap out of the Brewers
if I wasn't looking at the tv
I would swear they were playing at Wrigley, too. sad.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Well, he's a god
for five innings, anyway.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. He's one awesome pitcher.....he certainly was today.
Prince can take anyone deep, so I don’t hold that against him. Sigh. I wish he was here…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
yeah
because i said rich harden went 7 IP twice- how rude of me
you know what I have never meet a rude cards fan ever, either at this site or at busch stadium, the entire myth that cards fans are jerks isnt real as far as im concerned -execpt for this “ranconteur” guy he is a jerk and thats just the truth
I'm a jerk, for asking a question?
You always pop up on here whenever someone mentions anything about a Cubs player.
But please, keep on overreacting, because i’m the jerk.
boo cubs, hooray beer
i read this site
all the time because outside of you and your tough guy “we are gonna kick the brews ass next time” predictions there is some real content here
i comment when i see something i know ie- Rich Harden is a 5 IP kind of guy , well no not really so far
now- im not going to be drawn into more of this with you so have a nice day
actually raconteur
he made a totally innocuous comment - and a factually based one, at that. and you and Tackle Box jumped down his throat for no reason. if there’s a “tool” here, it ain’t ACB. . . .
sometimes it's better not to post
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
at least the cards competed
we got swept 0-4 by the brewers but it wouldn’t have taken much to turn that series around 3-1 for the cardinals. brewers were lucky to win all 4
do you
have a logo now for IE. favorites?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
God, I feel like I've been sitting in the pumpkin patch for the last 24 hours
waiting for the Great Pumpkin.
Not even a "great" pumpkin,
just a LOOGY…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is the Commissioner's Office like a trading floor, now
with shreds of paper and tickets not filled out properly and so on? Maybe something got done but hasn’t been filed yet. Hoping…
MLB.com:
”...wait(ing) for final word to be submitted…”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I believe
...just what you suggested. They are sorting through things for any finalized deals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
speaking of the Commissioners office
I seem to remember a deadline deal where the Oakland A’s sent Vida Blue to the Yankees and Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers to the Red Sox, but Bowie Kuhn voided both deals in “the interest of baseball”...not sure why I thought of that…maybe it was the Griffey deal needing Commissioner’s approval.
MLB.com: "Royals make no deals"
So, no Grudz or Mahay for anyone but the K.C. faithful:
The Trade Deadline passed with the Royals making no deals. The club announced at 3 p.m. CT that the club did nothing although left-handed reliever Ron Mahay and second baseman Mark Grudzielanek were among Royals rumored to be attracting interest.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
speaking of the Commissioners office...
I seem to remember a deadline deal from the 70’s where the Oakland A’s sent Vida Blue to the Yankees and Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers to the Red Sox, but Bowie Kuhn voided both deals in “the interest of baseball”...not sure why I thought of that…maybe it was the Griffey deal needing Commissioner’s approval.
How to heal your ailments of a 4 game sweep?
Go play Atlanta. St. Louis is doing it now, Milwaukee does it next.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Bay to Dodgers?
After all the talks about Bay heading to Tampa Bay or Boston, it appears that the Dodgers may have landed the Pirates left fielder just prior to the 4 p.m. ET deadline.MLB.com has confirmed that they were a late player in the race for Bay and that it was L.A. One industry source in Pittsburgh believes that a deal between the two clubs has been made.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There you go
The dust hasn’t settled yet. Lord only knows who will end up where.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jayson Stark is saying Hamilton to the Dodgers along with
Adam Dunn and Johan Santana
Cubs blow
by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The Dodgers are on fire
I just saw Pujols at the airpot getting on a plane to LA
boo cubs, hooray beer
ESPN MLB page:
Baseball’s trade deadline has come and gone. The top story? As far as we know, it’s Ken Griffey Jr.’s jump to the White Sox. Once again, it appears Manny Ramirez is staying put.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Word out of NY is that Bill Braski will be Joining the Dodgers
and proceed to win the next 56 Ws titles
Cubs blow
by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitching, on average,
432.2 innings/season
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
**IF** true, it's a bummer
Remember, MLB.com reported Bay-to-Tampa as done, then retracted. Hopefully, he is staying in Pitt to face the Cubbies and not going to L.A. for us to deal with in the near future.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it doesn't matter if Bay is there when the play the Cubbies
the Pirates will still roll over for them
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
To me the trade deadline just comes down to egos
The cardinals,like many other teams, are so confident that they are sitting on a gold mine in the minors that we are unwilling to give up what other people want.
The teams that are/should be sellers don’t want to dump any of the players that they have money tied up in because they feel if the team trading with them is willing to give up “prospects” then they must not be all that special anyways. These teams usually end up holding on to there “big name” players untill the offseason and just take what ever picks they get in exchange. They feel their scouting is better than anyone elses and they can get what they need for the future out of the draft.
It seems like a merry-go-round that never stops to let anyone on or off.
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 31, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
Manny to the Dodgers in 3 team
deal, 3rd team unknown.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
Pirates most likely
Bay to Sox
Manny to Dodgers
Kemp to Pirates
that’s my guess.
boo cubs, hooray beer
So ridiculous how the Dodgers hate him
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Maybe they know something about Manny others don't.
I don’t know what the Dodgers were thinking, however. Kemp is a good young player not worth the cost, if he is involved, that is.
Kemp might not be involved
SI.com reports that the Pirates will get four minor leaguers in the deal…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That makes more sense.
Pirates trade current assets for … prospects many of which will fail.
Glad they are in our division.
+1
Also, why trade for Casey Blake? He’s an Iowa boy and I am really happy at his success, but they have a better 3B on their team in LaRoche and you gave Cleveland a king’s ransom for him. Bizarre.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The media has really rallied the fanbase against him
Plaschke has nothing but bad things to say about him. I hope they trade him to a city that appreciates how frickin’ good he is at baseball.
Paschke knows next to nothing about baseball
Which is sad, given the fact that his job is to write about it. It’s always good to rail against talented young, cheap ballplayers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
sadder still
that the dodgers ownership seems to listen to him…
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
two things
a) isn’t it ironic that Torre will be coaching him?
b) this REALLY REALLY sucks for the Rays—talk about a slap in the face
On with the (good) youth movement!
How in the world did the Rays not do Niemann + Brignac for Bay??????
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
I think they can probably still claim
a deal was struck by the deadline, so long as all parties backdate the agreement.
This always happens
A deal that all the journalists keep reporting on falls through and someone comes in out of the blue.
I feel bad for Rays fans
you think you got Jason Bay one minute, then the next, you find out he’s actually going to your division rival.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Yeah but
Manny is out of your division. Sounds like the rays won
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 31, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. The Rays really messed up this deadline.
They got a pile of talent down there, much of which is excess anyway, they are finally in contention and probably only a piece or two away from at least a wild-card … and ownership does nothing.
Got to be frustrating to be a Rays fan. I like their grow your own talent system, but it is like they need a perfect storm of kids playing well just to compete. The perfect storm finally happens and they are going to let it peter out.
Heck, I would have given them Ludwick for what they had proposed for Bay, wish they would have asked us.
Yeah
That’s rough. But I don’t think that the Red Sox are better off, production-wise. That said, getting Manny out of the clubhouse is not a bad thing, even if taking him out of the lineup is not a good thing. They did well to get the younger, cheaper Bay. This sets them up to be more flexible this offseason.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the Pirates are now
Team LaRoche
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Comparison
Manny OPS: .926
Bay OPS: .894
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Done deal
Bob Nightengale has the Bucs getting Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss from the Red Sox and Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris from the Dodgers, correcting what looks like a typo in the Rosenthal report.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
No
They did well, I’d say, for Bay. Much better than for Nady, IMO. The Dodgers’ GM is an idiot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cardinals Stand Pat
General manager John Mozeliak just confirmed by text message that the Cardinals did not complete any moves prior to the non-waiver Trade Deadline.-Matthew Leach
do they ever make non-waiver deadline deals?
when was the last one? wait… don’t tell me… it was probably last season or something.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
that wasn't a trade
that was a mercy move.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
2 years in a row
two years ago, Luna for Belliard
last year, they got Pineiro on deadline day
they are gradually lowering expectations
Oldie but goodie
Lankford for Woody Williams
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Or Mark Mcgwire for T.J. Matthews and his plucky group of friends
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Shaking head :(
How much would a lefty reliever cost us? Seriously?
Not a good statement to Cardinal Nation.
Absoulutly nothiiing
STUUUPIIIIDDD
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
I feel deflated
I am extremely disappointed they didn’t make a move. Your telling me someone like Salas couldn’t of got Ohman
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
someone tell the Brewers announcers
about the Manny deal.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
11-1?
What a thrashing. The Cubs crushed the Brewers’, spirit and all, this week. Wow. Hopefully, this begins a Milwaukee tailspin. I say this even though I’m happy for their fanbase after years of Selig. If it is b/t the Cubs and Brewers, I’d root for the Brewers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Atlanta will be pissed after this series
Corky is gonna hit SO many bombs.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Perfect cure for a sweep hangover:
The Atlanta Braves
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
gagne was tossed
For throwing high and tight at edmonds 3 times and then behind him. Fielder was tossed after hitting into a fly out. (how?)
I feel like i’ve seen this show before.
Boy, Mo sure is a bold risk-taker
Pathetic statement with that awful bullpen and our only LOOGy with one foot in Memphis and the other on a banana peel. Let’s hold all our prospects until they rot.
They have a saying the produce business, “Sell it or smell it.”
Villone is pitching just fine versus lefties
And, with McClellan, if TLR will use him against LHB, there really isn’t a desperate need for another LOOGY. It just would’ve been nice to free up TLR’s bullpen maneuverings. Plus, one could still be had post-waiver.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I know Villone is fine as a LOOGy only
Just please tell LaRussa.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, with Flores in Memphis
Villone has to be a LOOGY now.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
maybe Mo knows something
about Tyler Johnson that NOBODY else knows.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Well LB
It turned out to be a stylized demotion. Also the end to any hometown discounts. Its the Scott Boras show now. If you fell like researching ”” austerity oaths ”. Islamic traditions. Thats who owns your village amongst other things. Don’t ask…..that truly is hardball.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 31, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, Krikey
Someone rattled his cage again… Can anyone translate?
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...
something about how scott boras is an islamic terrorist who wants to blow up your home
Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.
WCB, the "Scott Boras Show" didn't worked out so well for lohse last winter
or for jeff weaver. . . . . i hope kyle has the sense to fire boras and sign w/ an agent who’s a little less full of himself. boras’s tactics don’t work anymore; teams have gotten wise to his methods.
i can’t follow the rest of your comment . . . .
Boras was a target
He hasn’t been the one setting the Market anyway. Turner and Greenberg did that. His client list this off season puts him on everyones guest list. With the change of regimes in Washington, the owners are going to be at a disadvantage using last years tactics which netted them allot of money….....so far. If they let Cuban in, inflation will be off the charts. Lohse probably pitches 500 from here on out which puts him at 18 and 9.
They will continue to pitch him against Number one when every possible. The PR machine will now start grinding against him which began today. His chance of getting 2 runs tomorrow is poor. He is a slight underdog at home in offshore betting. One plus is, he will be pissed. He will get a 4yr deal between 40 and 50 because of his health.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 31, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
so WCB, are you saying
that tony la russa’s decision about when to pitch lohse is going to be determined by PR concerns? how does this work - dewitt comes down and tells tony, “we need a pretext for denying lohse a contract, so you have to pitch him against cole hamels.” and la russa salutes, clicks his heels, and says “Yessir!”
c’mon. you’ve got a lot of insight, but when you make comments like this it discredits you.
No, thats not what it will look like.
Thats what will happen. I don’t seek credibility. This team won’t stay in contention. August will end hope of the playoffs. September brings Rasmus and the call up’s promotions trying to sell hot dogs and tickets to next years 09 juggernaut. You all will have forgotten about this by then. It is rude of me to say these things. I realize this is a religion to most of you. Your religion has now become a business unfortunately, like the election of George Bush, for his “Moral ” integrity. It is still worth enjoying as a show, no matter how tragic.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 31, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
well, what do you seek WCB?
if not credibility, what? what is your goal here? why do you come on this site at all? what’s your agenda?
and why do you talk at us as if you’re some all-knowing sage and we are just of flock of stupid sheep? i have to tell you, i correspond with a lot of people who are connected to this industry, at all levels; most of them know at least as much as you do, but none of them seem to be as self-impressed as you. why is that?
You offer me to much face.
You are all my teachers. Your love for the game is much more intense than anything I can feel. Your student has told your future. If you find it to be true, act with your heart. If not, understand why.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 31, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you maybe are our anti jinxer
and you read like a fortune cookie filtered through Williams S. Burroughs pen.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit
I really can’t keep up with your ever-elusive logic. It’s so fragmented. I’ve just never had the patience for the 1000 piece jigsaw puzzles.
WCBW's change of style
Has anyone else noticed that WCBW has jettinsoned his “James Joyce stream-of-stream of consciousness” style? I sort of miss the ellipses.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
And what's more
Even if it does work out for Boras, and Lohse, and they land a 4 year 50 million deal (Or something in that range) then more power to them. If someone else wants to take that chance, then that is fine. I don’t want the Cardinals investing 4+ years in pitchers, period.
I’m pleased we have him this year for a great price, but not really wanting the team to tie it’s longterm future to him.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 31, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh
2 years ago Barry Zito got 127 million. Barry Zito. His guy made out like bandits in the ‘07 draft. Porcello got more NPV than Price out of the draft. Wieters got the 2nd (now 3rd) highest straight bonus ever. Brackman needed Tommy John: 4.5. Arrieta 7 figures etc. One player means his methods have stopped working? God knows what Bavasi was thinking giving Silva 48 million but I’d bet Lohse would rather be where he is as it turns out.
The Jeff Weaver reference never has and never will fly. He’s a career 93 ERA+ who is no longer a major league pitcher. 70 ERA+ last year, 78 the year before. Good for him (and us!) that he had 5 good games in October, but he is/was a bad pitcher by the time contracts came into play. His career earnings are ~40 million.
Lohse got butchered last year, but I’ll bet you a hypothetical internet dollar that has actually worked out in his favor…....
And please no one bring up the largest contract in history on straight dollars AND is mid-loaded.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
joker, everything you're bringing up happened pre- AROD
remember last winter how boras was going to get A-rod a $300m contract? that totally blew up in his face — very high profile humiliation by his #1 client. look what happened after that -- he was gonna get Andruw Jones a $90m deal; he only got him $36m. he was gonna get $40m for lohse . . . . had to beg for $4.5m.
i think the guy overreached one time too many, and his mystique has been punctured. he’s just another agent now, but he doesn’t realize it yet.
Awww I said not to bring up that contract
I guess we’ll see what all happens with the draft by the 15th as that will be a strong indicator, but I’ll nearly guarantee that he’s no longer “just another agent”.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Oh sweet god the formatting got screwed up now it really looks like wcbw!!!
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
when the "one player" is A-Rod
yeah, that means a lot. A-Rod very publicly told boras “Shut up, you’re misrepresenting me.” gms have long complained that boras uses disinformation to get his way; now they have something a little more concrete to go on.
to cycle back to zito for a second — that deal was totally in keeping w/ the market at the time. jason schmidt got the same $$$ per annum, albeit for fewer years — but he was 34 years old, while zito was 28. zito was an ace pitcher in his prime coming off an all-star season, with no health issues to speak of. the game was awash in money because of a one-time windfall (tv contract, i think), and there were a lot of ludicrous contracts handed out. jeff suppan got $45m that same off-season; adam eaton got $25m, jason marquis got $21m, for god’s sake. the zito deal didn’t beat the market imho.
boras will probably get lohse a nice deal, $40m to $50m. but any half-decent agent could do that; it doesn’t take any special talent. that’s why i say he’s just another agent. and boras won’t necessarily place lohse with a team where his career is likeliest to prosper. for an extra $1m a year he’ll yoke lohse to a crappy organization like the orioles or the rangers.
still ruminating on this
jones’ deal was well below market. look at what other centerfielders were making. juan pierre got a $36m deal, f’crying out loud. gary matthews got $50m. aaron rowand got $60m. and torii hunter did get the $90m that jones sought, for the same annual avg salary.
yeah jones was coming off a bad year, but he still signed for below market. everybody said so at the time.
Missed this
Maybe Jones wanted to go to a contender? Even if it was the best possible deal then we’re making conjecture that Boras has lost his edge off of one of the worst major league starters in ‘07 getting 36 million? Boras didn’t get to where he was (is) by not making adjustments and I think you are totally overreacting to the A-Rod media stupidity.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
And again
A-Rod managed to only get the NPV of a standard 300 million dollar deal. He’s not the one player I’m referring to, Lohse is.
From a PR perspective it was a nightmare, in reality, as any GM or someone who looks at that deal carefully would know, it was an amazing deal.
The fact that the Yankees paid waaaay more than anyone was even rumored to be in the running for doesn’t say something? GMs don’t get their info from ESPN…
Regarding Zito, he wasn’t remotely an ace pitcher in his prime. He was a pitcher in clear decline, velocity and otherwise, who still happened to be 28. His final year was supported on a frame of smoke with a 78% LOB. Any GM would have known that and almost every Giants fan absolutely despised the deal. Jason Schmidt was a dramatically better pitcher, and you are completely ignoring that the risk on Schmidt was dramatically less because it was just 3 years. Hell Schmidt has blown out his arm and I bet the Giants would trade Zito for him straight up. But cmpletely non-comparable and even then the Schmidt deal at the time wasn’t remotely as despised as the Zito deal.
Lohse, whatever we’ll see that still doesn’t really matter that much. 90% of that is market correction against the mid level guys in the non-Bavasi led organizations. More relevant is will he get Alvarez the massive deal? Hosmer? Fields? Cole? Plus call me back when the Manny/Varitek/Teixeira, then Holliday, then Fielder hit free agency.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Forgot to mention
Boras sure hasn’t lost his respect with the players. Manny is just the latest to switch to him pre-free agency.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Wise is Joker 24
I agree. The belief that you can succeed is sometimes elusive. You must find it where you are led.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's almost like we are missing the first part of his post.
That or he’s having a private conversation with lboros and decided to post it here…
"austerity oath" and "austerity oaths" have zero matches on google
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Now the nonsense is making sense
westcoastbirdwatcher is Chris Matthews!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I think...
He’s that Moxie guy from the damned StlToday Cards forum. shudder
Or could it be TOXALOR, rising like a phœnix from the ashes?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
cmon
that guy never could figure out how to get the ALL CAPS button unstuck, could he?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I was just thinking the other day
TOLAXOR hasn’t dropped by in awhile…
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
Track 'em Tigers - An SB Nation Blog for Auburn Tigers fans
this one may take the cake
for best WCBW post
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm imaging
a lot of french guys with gottees, berets, narrow sunglasses and clove cigarettes sitting around on open mic night at Starbucks and snapping their fingers in response
except instead of starbucks....
they’re in a sports bar and its very out of place
Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.
Starbucks?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
ha! I was about to post something about no French person being caught dead in starbucks
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
yeah
more like a bunch of yuppies sitting around listening to bland music and drinking burnt coffee
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
bird fan Kurtz
“GM filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or birds’ feet over broken bats
In our dry dugout
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;”
“Do you know what the man is saying? Do you? This is baseball.
It’s very simple baseball. One through nine, no maybes, no
supposes, no fractions—you can’t hit and run, you can’t go first to third, you know, without, like, you know, with fractions
it's as i said weeks ago
they will be mentioned and do nothing, but probably grab garcia or some other waiver crap..Giles maybe..who knows..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Well, jeez
Honestly, I like the team we have now. Sure, our closer is toast and we get almost no production from the MI but some of you act like you expect to get real help there for peanuts. Other than Rasmus the rest of the league doesn’t really value our prospects and we would have given up too much for any impact reliever. I think old Uncle Walt spoiled us all from 1997-2004, honestly.
Plus, our bullpen would be far better if it were configured properly. Give me Izzy/Franklin/Springer/McClellan/Thompson/Perez/Villone and use it properly. Give Worrell a shot if one of them doesn’t produce, and if Izzy goes down again, give the ball to Perez in the 9th. It shouldn’t be this difficult! We have the makings of a good bullpen; it just isn’t being used that way.
by mattisnotfrench on Jul 31, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
I hear the spoiled part
but I still think they could have done something useful, seeing some of the deals that were made
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most people here (including me) are disappointed we didn't get a LOOGY
but just think about how pissed off the fans of KC and Atlanta have to be. Why in the hell wouldn’t they trade Mahay and Ohman for something? I am glad I am not having to hit my head against the wall for those teams.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Well, I'm disappointed too about the lack of a LOOGY
But I also think some people need to cool off. If management would just use their damn relievers properly they wouldn’t have a problem. Thompson has been a godsend lately, too.
by mattisnotfrench on Jul 31, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the Braves wanted too much for Ohman
plus this team is somewhat running on chemistry, so they are being careful with messing with that imo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not so upset that the Cards didn't make a move
I just can’t fathom why 2 teams with no chance this year (and probably 2-3 years away) didn’t move parts like Ohman and Mahay.
Crazy!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
yep
that is crazy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Except the chemistry in the bullpen
is baking soda and vinegar.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it's volcanic makeup is more than slightly disturbing
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Were the Braves asking for Wunderbrad?
I heard rumors before that the Braves were interested in him. If they were asking for him straight up then that would be way too much. Thompson is under control until 2012. Maybe this is too far-fetched of a speculation.
My giant pomeranian campaigns to get rid of him.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Frankly
I’m fine with today’s “do nothing” approach. Well, better than fine.
We don’t have a stock pile in the minors worth a shit like most would like you to believe so 90% of the mediocre players out there that’s been mentioned would have cost us something with actual value.
I guess I’d rather ride a team that is sitting just out of the WC and sniffing the division than I would want to start hammering on ‘09/’10.
We were picked to be last, we’re still a surprise… not to just MSM, but within ourselves.
Personally, I’d rather ride the wave of mediocrity with the players on the payroll than to trade prospects for even more of them.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
I don't get that
how do you know we don’t have a stockpile in the minors worth a shit? Details would be appreciated
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I don’t recall any trade talked about that had the likes of Freese or Robinson involved, do you?
no, most of the talks or “rumors” involved either our highest projected pitching prospects or ML ready (if not in the ML already) position players.
We have several opportunity cost players in the minors (Freese with Wallace projected after Glaus is gone, a few average OF that may not come up long term – Robinson, Stav, Jay) if we sign and run with Rick and Luddy and Razza comes up. Anderson blocked by Molina and defensive work this year by LaRue.
Just because players are blocked on opportunity costs doesn’t mean it’s a stockpile. If it was a stockpile than other teams would see value and it’s came across as they haven’t.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just going on the crap reference
I don’t think we have the best pile of talent in the minors, but I think it is far better than “not being worth a shit”
I honestly don’t know if Freese’s or Robinson’s name came up. I doubt that the only names that came up were those mentioned on the internet. Just because they aren’t “big” names in the minors doesn’t mean that they weren’t being asked about.
I just guess I don’t understand what you are trying to say. I almost read it as if you don’t think Anderson is a prospect because he is blocked? I think the ambiguity of that last paragraph is throwing me in regard to the rest of your comment.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
“We don’t have a stock pile in the minors worth a shit like most would like you to believe so 90% of the mediocre players out there that’s been mentioned would have cost us something with actual value.”
Sorry. I think it’s being misread, or seems to be.
The stockpile isn’t worth a shit, not the players therein. We have 7-8 true high ceiling guys who would be (barring injury) near automatics to being in the ML at some point in their career. Not 17-18 like most seem to think.
Unloading one or two out of 7-8 of those prospects for some bullpen help, to me, would be detrimental to ‘09/’10. A hell of a lot of difference to unloading 1 or 2 out of 17-18 guys.
That’s where I’m headed.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that Victor Zambrano was available at the deadline...
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I wanted a LOOGY too
And I thought that could happen without giving too much. But most in the outside world seem to think that the farm club is around the middle of the pack. The organization, and us as fans (for the most part), seem to think it is better than the layperson gives it credit for. When you have divergent opinions like that, it is not an environment for making moves. Only time will tell who is right and who’s wrong, but that’s not really the point today. The point is that it’s easy to see why there were no blockbusters, and personally I can support not making a big move this year.
But c’mon, couldn’t we have dealt a mid level guy for a Ohman, Mahay type? I think we could have stood to take a little long term “loss” to patch what is a big hole for this ballclub.
it will depend of course
how the season finishes out. if they don’t make it, maybe he’ll quit and take some time off from managin.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it might
effect the odds of him resigning at the end of next year. I don’t see Tony walking out though.
your right, he's not going any where right now
but next year is definitely in doubt & the years after as well.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I thought we were talking about next year?
he’s not quitting in the middle of a season (if he ever wants manage again). he would never do that anyway
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
That’s the question. Will he leave at the end of the year with Duncan to manage the Brewers?
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT?
Where did the rumor come from that TRL and Duncan would possibly head to MIL? A better question is, if or whenever he does leave STL who gets the job??
by REDROBIN1892 on Jul 31, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Oquendo?
who knows
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that was my thought...
after all, he is the secret weapon. to steal a gimmick from the mets, ” jose jose jose jose.”
by REDROBIN1892 on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
good mother of mercy
where is ravy? why is steve phillips hosting the WWL trade special on the duce?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
better question is
if he is hosting it, why in the world are you watching it?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i'm a masochist?
i need my Manny fix?
i need a sawx fix?
i cant wait to see what keith law has to say?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
With over a thousand votes counted
The P-D fans disapprove of standing pat by a 68% to 16% margin. I hope Mo is reading.
Weren’t those the same fans that didn’t want Rolen and Jimmy to go? That wanted David resigned?
Yeah, I hope he responds to that poll in the next few days and justifies what happened behind closed doors. But I’d rather see him do his job than make them happy.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 31, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I don't think leadership has much to do with polls
A fair number of those people don’t know anything about baseball. But the fact is that the team has to answer to the fanbase ultimately. They misread the situation, I think. I hope they have a game plan to keep Tony happy…or at least the telephone numbers of some good managers and a pitching coach.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 31, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
"the team has to answer to the fanbase ultimately"
Explain what you mean by this. Because, really, unless you think people are going to stop coming to games because Mo didn’t do a deadline deal for a reliever, I don’t really get what you’re suggesting.
I'm sure
that most of those votes were cast by all the great minds at Card’s Talk and Bernie’s Pressbox. If our G.M. is listening to those idiots, we are definitely in trouble.
by iwannarock24 on Jul 31, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Ankiel have a clause in his contract
that forbids him from going on the DL? If this one lingers as long as the last one I would hope they would DL him and try bringing up one of those infielders down in Memphis
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That's been on my mind too
Glad you brought it up. This is his third stint that lasted around one week on the active roster? Is that right?
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 31, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
the only thing I can figure out
is they don’t want to DL him , just in case, because the team has no depth in the OF
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The BIG picture
It would be an understatement to say I’m disappointed the Cards didn’t make a move today. Granted they could make a move with waivers, but only Mo can make that happen. Looking over the possibilities, Ohman made the most sense to me, as the lefty we needed. Two weeks ago, White Sox GM Kenny Williams was quoted on MLBTR saying, "The environment to make trades was awful." From the events that transpired, or didn’t transpire, that may have been proven true. Were the Cards a little "gun shy" or were possible suitors skeptical of the talent we offered in return?
Another question is, were the Cardinals playing to win it ALL this year? Since mid February, the Cardinals organization and media said this was a rebuilding year and an opportunity to "develop talent from within." This would certainly explain some of the "desperate" moves made by Milwaukee and that nameless team in Chicago (in order to win it ALL now). As long as the "north side" hits the century mark in years without a WS title, my friends, all will be right in the universe. Today, I want emphasize the words of Marty Brennaman, (from a few years back) reminded that Cardinals fans will always have a reason to smile with pride. Forever 10 WS Championships with 17 NL titles, forever the class of the National League; GO CARDS!!
Marty Brennaman comments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9Kso9q_Ws
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