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Game 110 Open Thread- 30th July, 2008

Carpenter_chris_medium Jurrjens_jair_medium

Carpenter                Jurrjens

    0-0, 0.00               10-5, 3.02

 

A phoenix rising

A team refusing to die

And returns an ace

or

The wounded ace comes

Slouching toward Atlanta

Yearning to be born

I couldn't figure out which one I liked better, and I figured we could use all the luck we could get for Carp tonight, so I decided to include both.

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"Heh, Heh, Heh, Heh" -Mike Shannon

by jjwp on Jul 30, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely seconding the first vote. i didn’t even think about that.

"Heh, Heh, Heh, Heh" -Mike Shannon

by jjwp on Jul 30, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Strauss just said

that even though Mo disagrees with this characterization, people around the ballpark are saying to ‘expect Will Ohman to just walk to the other side of the field after tonight’s game’.

Meaning, with Flores going down, Will Ohman is being acquired.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 30, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably one of the cheaper LHP options at this point.....

I’m okay with that. Sure wish we were looking to do something else too, but I’ll take what I can get.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 30, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody know his contract status?

I’d like this deal even more if he were signed for another year or two.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 30, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we can resign him.....

We’ll definitely have a hole from the left side in the pen next year. Give him 2-3 years, and lets be done with it.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 30, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

why give a LOOGY 2-3 years?

we picked up Villone for free. The problem the Cardinals had was a) TJ got hurt and b) they thought Flores would be decent.

by azruavatar on Jul 30, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flores and Franklin should be proof

that you shouldn’t give middle relievers/setup men anything more than a 1Yr contract.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He isn't just a LOOGY.....

He’s a pretty good MR, overall. And if we don’t offer him a longer deal, somebody else will, and we’ll end up with crap again.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 30, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

while Ohman would certainly be an upgrade from the left side of the pen

hopefully the manager doesn’t try to use him versus a ton of righties, and it still doesn’t solve our closer problem.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy

But I really did see this coming

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Edgar

Jair Jurrjens was the key piece of the deal Detroit sent to the Braves. Which is why it make acquiring Edgar difficult if they want a return on the level of Jurrjens.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Strauss also said the Jason Bay thing is legit

meaning, the Cardinals are interested but the Rays have a MUCH better chance at getting the deal done.

The Pirates GM (or assistant GM) was on XM Radio last night, as I was listening, and he said that they have had 4 chances to trade Bay since they took over. Last off-season, this deadline, next off-season and next deadline.

I bring this up, because, if the Rays back out…some would say that Bay would fall into the Cardinals lap. That’s probably not true, as they could simply just pull him off the market until next year.

Then trade for Matt Morris.

Or, wait.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 30, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

that is cold man

cold.

Matt deserves better than that.

Pittsburgh….not so much

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ole’ Matt is doing just fine.

After his exit from the Pirates he’s been back in Cards camp hanging out while getting that nice paycheck from Pitt. He’s been roaming Jupiter, A and AA games.

Morris knows where his loyalties lie

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda like Matt Morris

I didn’t think HL was slamming Matt, I just had to take my chance to slam the Pirates. I

It must be nice picking up the rest of that 10M for doing next to nothing.

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Golf and watching baseball for 10m is damn nice.

though I have a gut feeling that if Morris could play ball physically, he would

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bay Rumor

If you want a good place to keep track of the discussions surrounding Bay, including the Cardinals, Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has a running blog that has updates on the subject. His last post at 6:03 ET:

A source on the scene in San Diego, where Arizona is playing, emails me with definitive word that the Diamondbacks are not a player for Bay. And this is not speculation. Moreover, it sounds like the Diamondbacks might never have been a player for Bay. ... One wonders how many suitors there actually are beyond Tampa and St. Louis
We might actually have a chance if the Pirates really want to move him. Pittsburgh is going to want a bounty, though, which leads me to believe that Chris Perez and Jaime Garcia are going to have to be part of the deal.

by rockin the red on Jul 30, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

pass

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

we need a middle infielder that puts up offense. I just don’t get making a deal for an outfielder unless their offensive prowess is near hall of fame status… Our outfield is more than adequate.

If we’re going to utilize those trade chips, I’d rather wait until the offseason when we’d have a better chance at upgrading SS or 2B.

by AndyB83 on Jul 30, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

My opinion

is that there is only one team in the hunt for Bay and that is Tampa. It seems that some GM’s like to raise the stakes on things to get what they want. Maybe they are trying to pry a big prospect (Price) from the Rays for Bay and maybe someone else (Wilson or Grabow) .

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 30, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really want noting to do with Bay

i’ve watched him in Pitt all these years & i just dont see why theres all this fuss around the guy.

the Cards right now have better OFs on the roster than him. he’s not an upgrade. all he’ll do is strip our farm system of talent that quite frankly we cannot afford to lose.

pass, pass, pass. a thousand times pass

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say we’re in the mix as a leverage piece only.

We may even be happily apart of the leverage piece to use on a trade that is completely unrelated. Act like we have a backup plan on Bay, or act as if our prospects have value in the Bay talks to amp them for another team/piece.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox?

Peter Gammons suggested on BBTN a few minutes ago that the Sox would go after Bay if they can move Manny.

by NoStro on Jul 30, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes my heart happy ...

... and my nerves tense to see Carp’s photo back at the top of a game thread. Here’s hoping it goes smoothly and he leaves the game when he chooses and with a smile.

by peach concrete on Jul 30, 2008 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Carpenter tonight...

... I’m downright giddy… but I have to admit I’ve become downright jaded when it comes to injured players returning from extended DL stints.

by AndyB83 on Jul 30, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say it depends on how smooth the first few innings go

but look for the 80s range on when he’s exiting

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i sometimes cook during a game,

and this’ll be one of those few occasions in which i try to take my breaks when we’re on defense rather than offense.

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

im going to go on a franklin run, when we are on offense…the bottom 3rd of course…normally its when we are pitching

GO CARP

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we are on offense in the bottom of the 3rd

this game might get rained out because that means they are in STL

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 30, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

bottom 3rd of the order i ment

didnt mess that up as bad as i thought reading it again

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotcha

my fault

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 30, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, don't get me wrong.

i’ve already picked up a case of franklins. the rest’ll be history.

play ball!

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

good lord i'm nervous

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else suprised that Flores

was sent down after having perhaps his best performance of the year?

I am surprised, but still happy.

I am still hoping this means Ohman.

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm surprised it took this long

seriously

nice start Skippy

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

you and me both

I would have put a +1 , but that might have started a neverending reply section

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+2?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+11?

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good start Skippay!

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

oh god

its the STRIIIIII-T-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE umpire

nice double skip

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Carp and Go Birds

So nice to have CC back! The sweat will be pouring off the cap tonite!

by birdsonthehat on Jul 30, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Manny to Marlins
Multipe baseball sources say the Red Sox are on the verge of sending disgrunted left fielder Manny Ramirez to the Marlins in a trade for a package of three players that included low Class A Greensboro outfielder Mike Stanton, an 18-year-old who is hitting .275/.351/.569 with 26 home runs in 96 games.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=965

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

anybody got another link for this?

isn’t loading for me…

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

didn’t know you thought that

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

was that a GB to the pitcher from AK?

I am so surprised

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

oh Albert

you can do better than that can’t you?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

just like the last couple of games

watch out for his 2nd and 3rd at bats

he is going to go long

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

imagine that

that whole sale fiasco confirmed my belief in crooked Bud

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

an X used car salesman crooked?

say it ain’t so!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanna see Carp bat before he pitches

...doesn’t seem to likely with that pop-out…

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 30, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Out of the ashes
arose a Carpenter ace
hurling pitches strike

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

that was a good pitcy

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitch

fuck

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

was close

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

glad someone else besides me

calls him “santa glaus.”

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's only santa when he delivers

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe you were naughty?

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably

I’ve been out of the country for a while, so I’m excused.

I Hope.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

every time i see him refered to him as Santa on here

it makes me think of this

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, Troy has looked awful lately

he may be the streakiest player i’ve ever seen

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

He was sitting slider

all the way on that pitch.

Can we say No. Hope. In. Hell.?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

he blew that right by Santa

no gifts in our stockings tonight

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

god i hate this umpirEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

so freaking obnoxious

by hockeyno93 on Jul 30, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's better

than the guy who just kind of stands there thinking about it for ten seconds and then just kind of half-heartedly points.

by rowboat on Jul 30, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be the "best ump in the game"

at least voted on by the players & coaches

Tim McClelland

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

alright, here we go

every one hold on to your butts

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I am nervous...

...as well. AND the game is not on Teevee here!

by glennrwordman on Jul 30, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Man

it’s been a long ass time since I’ve seen Carp have issues locating.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

he will get R done

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point...

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i miss ank

get better soon buddy

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

really?

last news i heard was yesterday & he still could not run

they should not screw around & just DL him till he’s 100%

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that was a solid pitch

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

holy christ, that's glorious.

how long’ve you been sitting on that one? =)

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

aayyyyyy-meeen!

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

make him kneel carp

nice pitch

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

good inning

not great, but very good start

get some runs off the kid O

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

how does he look

stuck at work no t.v.

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 30, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

shaky at first

solid the last batter

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 more just like that please!

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

15 pitches

ran through the entire arsenal. Location starting coming in. So far, so good.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

15

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gameday says

90-91 for Fastballs
73 on the change
86-88 on the slider

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jul 30, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

That is pretty encouraging.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 30, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp pitches a scoreless first...

Order is restored…

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Jul 30, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

not quite

Wagonmaker isnt back as our #2

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true

"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle

by iron duke75 on Jul 30, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been waiting

since Opening Day last year to see a Carp #1, Waino #2 combo.

Soon.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

it just hit me

we never have seen that.

How sweet will that be?

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's really calling the outside strike tonight

every one looks like a ball to me

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

not even close

it was on the white of the LF batters box

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

just like that one

he’s getting Maddox’s old strike zone

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yuck.

theyd be better off dealing for Carlos Lee and sending the prospects to houston.

by rlgosnell on Jul 30, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

source?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's no Duncan though

I miss that guys D. Good thing he’ll be back in 2 weeks and Mather will probably be sent down AGAIN.

by TheBirds on Jul 30, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

not so fast

last night FSN MW reported DUNK has numbness in his entire right arm & they cant get the feeling back. he very well could be done for the year

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Musta

We only pounce on rookies around here. Glaus’ K looked soo much better.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I could watch the game somewhere :x

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

nm

that pitch to mather was deg outside

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

def outside

god

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp muscling up there

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

son of a,,,,

talk about a cheap hit

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

that sucked

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

what are you suppossed to expect

side note, that was quick note about the manny trade to fla usually they are a little slower to that stuff

by from First to Third on Jul 30, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

First time I saw him

I thought he might be a flash in the pan….then I thought no I’m wrong he’s legit….but maybe not

by RiverRat on Jul 30, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frenchy's legit....

....and he’s having a legitimately shitty year.

by rowboat on Jul 30, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

the outside corner

is open

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

if i'm Carp

i’m throwing everything away away away. if this umps going to call strikes in the other batters box, dont even come close to throwing it over the plate

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

that two seamer would be great. but he just cant locate.

by rlgosnell on Jul 30, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

ots of bunts tonight

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

bunting in front of the pitcher’s spot.

by glennrwordman on Jul 30, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

well

jurgens does have a better average than miller

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 30, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

so lucky

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

so mistakes arent lucky?

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

the the right decision would have been to go

and going didnt happen, i call it luck

you can call it whatever you want

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

so #2 like.

Considering the context of the situation.

That’s brilliant.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a good indication

that he’s close, but he still needs work.

his location isn’t spot on, but at this point we cant expect it to be

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They haven't really hit him all that well

Just not quite missing bats like he used to. He’ll get there.

by RiverRat on Jul 30, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta be HTH in ATL

Look at the Colonel last night.

by RiverRat on Jul 30, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you should have gone with

“The Return of the King”

for the title of today’s game, guess I’m about 45 mins late on making that suggestion though

by soty987 on Jul 30, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Ohman + Johnson

I like the sound of that.

Also, Maybe we could get Renteria back.

by TheBirds on Jul 30, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

my disdain for IZ2 goes ever stronger

day by day

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

frustrating

I’m not getting a feel for how Carp is doing, listening the Shannon, who is barely giving me enough to keep a scorebook if I had one. Nothing about whether he looks crisp… etc

by the Tewk on Jul 30, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry, but they are full of it

Mo has already been pretty firm on his anti-Bonds statements

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a nightmare for me

think of all the negativity he brings with him.

by TheBirds on Jul 30, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he consulted TLR

the answer would be “HELL YES!”

by Red in Chicago on Jul 30, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't look like they've been driving the ball against Carp so far

that’s a good sign….would like to see him strike out a few guys tho.

by nota bene on Jul 30, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't

he’s clearly not going to be on so no need on trying to beat batters. K’s usually drive up pitch counts

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was robbed there

a shockingly good at by AK

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Kennedy is so terrible, it's unfathomable

how can you have him and Iz2 in the same lineup? (and i know he got robbed of a hit there, but he still sucks)

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

the double lead off this inning sucked shit, hopefully the rat pack next inning can do something instead.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

poor Peter Gammons

I thought he was going to suffer another major illness right on camera, when he was arguing with Steve Phillips about Manny, on ESPN. Gammons was remote, otherwise I think he would have slapped Phillips one.

by the Tewk on Jul 30, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

here's next year's options at SS

Orlando Cabrera (34)
David Eckstein (34)
Adam Everett (32)
Rafael Furcal (31)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Cesar Izturis (29)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Edgar Renteria (33) – $12MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Juan Uribe (30)
Omar Vizquel (42) – $5.2MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.3MM buyout

by from First to Third on Jul 30, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

he's currently on the DL

he can’t stay healthy the past two seasons

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to but he's becoming more injury prone

depends on how much he cost. 2-3yrs. at 4-7 mil a year would be ok, but that’s way too much money to spend on a shortstop(sarcasm)

by from First to Third on Jul 30, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't there anyone in the minors

we can snag? When will Kozma be ready? Will he stick at short?

by Red in Chicago on Jul 30, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greene has finally started hitting.

and just got premoted to AAA. He’s got a lot of power and a LOT of speed. Just doesn’t get on base. Still a good talent if he pans out.

by TheBirds on Jul 30, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like Carpenter's fastball

has the same polarity as the strike zone and it refuses to go into the strikezone.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 30, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB Rumors says

the Yanks have gotten calls about Carl Pavano…teams are starting to get desperate out there

by tbell61 on Jul 30, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

speaking of rest

has glass shoulder return from his rest? I wonder what plans will be for him next, I don’t see him contributing anything really. I don’t even see why they would try

by from First to Third on Jul 30, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

they’re looking for a water boy who makes $8 million a year.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 30, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you sure it's not just a lonely Alyssa Milano?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

now you know the prettier the girl

the lonelier she is because all the guys think she’s taken. and or they are afraid to ask her out.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting better wood on Carp

this inning. Sure it doesn’t help that he has pitched out of the stretch all game.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 30, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Little high

but that cutter looked damn good

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Carp's curve is ineffective tonight

no location and not real sharp

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

don't hold your breath

it’s the guys 3rd real start after a 15 month break.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

yes any glimer of hope from him would be super rad

by from First to Third on Jul 30, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is what he's genenerally done

in the rehabs

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

one more, Carp

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by gocards62 on Jul 30, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

me too

Might be a little low. Haven’t been paying attention enough to know if that has been constent.

by Evilfrog on Jul 30, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this ump is not doing Carp any favors

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

nice job Carp

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

atta kid carp

no damage

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 30, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

What's the best pitching performance posted by a player

after coming back from the D.L. either with quite a few, just a few or no rehab starts.
P.S. nice work out of the jam carp

by from First to Third on Jul 30, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Clemens was probably

the most resilient pitcher in recent memory. He came back from Mulder’s surgery in about a year, IIRC.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 30, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of clemens

Anyone here the soundbyte that 590 the fans does with clemens, with all the edits like his kids inject him with steroids, and stuff? funny crap

by from First to Third on Jul 30, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitch count aside (we knew going in the hardest thing would be the locating).

1 run, only a solid hit (maybe two) out of the hits, pitched effectively out of trouble.

As long as he’s smiling health wise when done throwing, I’ll be thrilled.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

How bout some Offense now!!!

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 30, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

his stuff looks great

lets get some runs for him guys

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 30, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

This is what I remember about Carpenter

.....gutting it out in tough situations. I agree with the comment about being happy if he finishes tonight and healthy and strong.

by ccthemovieman on Jul 30, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

cmon Pujols

help yr old buddy Carp out. we have our own CC

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

No way

Felix Hernandez has stuff that puts Jurrjens to shame.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looks like him

and right now he’s pitching like him

i’d say its a fair comparison

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not though

i guess their physical appearance is the same, but pitching wise they are nothing alike

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

craptastic

we have one hit so far… doesn’t matter how carptastic our starting pitching is, we still need runs

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

it's all or nothin for Troy nowadays

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

surprise surprise

Glaus flies out

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

it is a surprise

i expected a k

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

Ludwick and Ankiel have patents on the K

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was beat on the fastball looking slider, came in looking slider and got a bit under.

I’d take that at bat over quite a few others as of late.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

for? lol

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

j/k

heh

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hit & Run here w/Yadi?

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by gocards62 on Jul 30, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Hit & Run here w/Yadi?

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by gocards62 on Jul 30, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Molina

has been striking out more, ever since a big deal was made about him being the toughest hitter in the Majors to strike out

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 30, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

April – 4
May – 5
June – 3
July -8

He’s climbed a bit in the last month, but so has the pitching (to be fair)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

July – 9* counting tonight

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

hampton = mulder

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by gocards62 on Jul 30, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the 2008 Cardinals

they can make you happy, but not too happy.

They can win a big game, but then someone gets hurt.
They can hit a go ahead HR late in a game, but then the bullpen coughs it up.
They can blow a team out early, then let them creep back in.
They can have their Ace return, but can’t score any damn runs.

Such is life.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 30, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

gooooood breaker.

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

settling in?

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, this is the old carp

told ya he might have one of these innings.

by TheBirds on Jul 30, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

blue sure isn't giving 'em away to carp...

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? Hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Jul 30, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

great inning Carp

nice play AK

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy Fuck

that was a smooth and Carp like inning.

More. Please?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 30, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

well

the two guys he struck out where batting around .100

by Evilfrog on Jul 30, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get some runs, boys

Carp’s pitching his #@* off

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by gocards62 on Jul 30, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

so our rotation is

Carp
Lohse
Welley
Pineiro
Looper

not too bad I guess. I keep wanting to send Looper to the ‘pen, but he keeps proving me wrong about that when I think he’s going to start doing really bad.

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 30, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

amazing

“2 on 1 out and ak up mens trouble”, don’t think the braves announcers are paying attention

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 30, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

well, guess they were aftereall

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 30, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

deal with the Tigers?

now that Detroit has unloaded Pudge Rodriguez… how about Anderson for Polonco ?

by the Tewk on Jul 30, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

wow, what a play

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 30, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

arms full of lightning
cardinals show up with
bats full of thunder

victim of the sixties

by victim of the sixties on Jul 30, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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