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Game 87 Open Thread: July 3 2008

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New York Mets @ St. Louis Cardinals


Pelfrey Boggs
5-6, 4.47 3-0, 4.37

according to Fangraphs, boggs has relied almost exclusively on 2 pitches since he joined the cardinals --- his fastball (70 percent of the time), which averages 93 mph; and his curveball (21 percent), which averages 78 mph. those speeds, if they're accurate, would seem to make him fairly difficult to adjust to. so far, however, hitters have made pretty consistent contact --- when they swing the bat, they either put it in play or foul it off 88 percent of the time (the big league average is just 80 percent). if he learns how to change speeds <i>and</i> locate his pitches, he might be a decent hurler. . . . .

pelfrey relies even more heavily than boggs does on the fastball --- throws it 80 percent of the time, per Fangraphs, with the rest of his pitches split between slider and changeup.

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I'd be curious on the contact and splits therein along with the actual pitches used

reasoning is that he is a one pitch puppy by and large to LHP due to zero confidence (and below ML average) and not wanting to throw the slurve in there. Once he gets that pitch I think he will be too.

His fastball has that sexy late whipping movement and when the slurve can locate and he uses it, it can be filthy. When he adds that change, it will turn that mediocre pitcher into something to harness IMO.

Here’s to the rookie starting off 4-0 and taking this series 3 games to 1, good luck Boggs

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

zero confidence (and below ML average) + changeup *

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

I love the late movement on his fastball. He is off to a pretty good start. I’ve been glad to see him get a chance and see no reason to be discouraged by what he has shown so far.

by Youneverknow on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm trying to think of something clever and baseball related to write

‘Cardinals swing some bats in the pelfrey?‘

I don’t know. Go Cards.

by effin fisk on Jul 3, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miles
Duncan
Pujols
Ankiel
Glaus
Ludwick
Molina
Boggs
Kennedy

Reyes
Chavez
Wright
Church
Delgado
Easley
Anderson
Castro
Pelfrey

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No range

Why on earth would anyone allow Grit to play SS in a MLB game? His defense is such a horrid liability. But, his luck is running high this month. Hopefully his slaps find the outfield green tonight as they have been this month (and season).

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would rather see Ryan

but hey, Tony’s playing the hot card right now (plus he has a mancrush on Miles)

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only thing I don’t like about it is that the Mets have had a lot of singles grating through our defense in all 3 games. If the trend continues his range is much more of a liability at SS than it is at 2nd, even if he helps with his bat he could be walking a fine line in negative production overall.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally untrue.....

I’m not going to say that Miles is an excellent SS, he isn’t, but he is more than adequate from time to time. He’ll make the plays he gets to, and he’s hitting the ball. Ryan isn’t, or he’d probably be starting.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol making plays he gets to? thats the whole point...

he doesnt even have the range to play 2nd…..he cant get to lots of routine plays that ryan or Iz2 would get.

by FunkeeC on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true

The last week has been good to Grit. Heck, the whole season has. But you’re assuming that the choice is between Ryan and Miles. It’s not. The choice is a fatal threeway between AK, Miles and Ryan. Mixing and matching, why not start Ryan at SS and Miles at 2B if you are going to play the lucky bat? This week, Ryan is hitting about .170 and AK is hitting about .180.

I also echo Funkee on the defense comments. The problem with Miles is his lack of range—meaning the balls he can’t reach to field.

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because it looks like.....

Ryan could use a day off, and Kennedy deserves some AB’s.

Who is the back up SS currently? Yep, Miles.

It isn’t rocket science.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright,

1.) Ryan has been in a platoon role all year long and hasn’t played a lot of games in a row. Since Iz has been hurt, Ryan has a considerable uptick in his playing time. – He probably needs a day off. Iz still being out means Miles gets that role.

2.) Miles has a bat that has been insanely good over the past couple of weeks and that will regress at some point, but while it’s there, use it.

3.) Adam’s bat seen some resurgence over the course of the last few games he had played, he was injured and is ok, so play that bat in a low liability situation.

4.) The plays he gets to, by all metrics is a lot less than the two other SS, it’s not even comparable.

So the result is that Ryan is getting over exposed and needs some time off, Kennedy needs some playing time, Miles bat is hot. So you sit Ryan a game.

I don’t think it reflects anything Ryan has done or not done, just circumstances.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ryan has also looked bad defensively the last few games

I’m not sure what’s going on, if he’s hiding an injury or what, but after being almost perfect for the first 2.5 months at short (49 of 52) he has missed 5 of the last 13 balls hit in his zone AND made an error. He’s fallen from a .940 RZR to a .864 in a little over a week (since June 28th).

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll post this again
At SS he’s gotten 17/20 balls apparently which would be average (tiny sample)..............but last year in a semi-real sample he would’ve been by a wide, wide margin the worst shortstop in the league. The difference between last place and 8th place was .060 points. The difference between last place and Aaron Miles would’ve been .064 points.

That’s in terms of RZR. He’s beyond a liability at short, he’s an anchor.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 3, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And on another note.....

I’m not a huge stat guy. I don’t get into all the complicated metrics, especially when it concerns defense.

I’ve watched Miles play SS plenty of times, and it doesn’t scare me in the slightest. He isn’t Ozzie Smith, but I really don’t think you lose much with him out there.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it.....

Expecting a rather high scoring game tonight.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

9 runs

all ours

I’ll be happy

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pelfrey...

... with a guy that brings heat 8 out of 10 pitches, why not just sit on fastballs the entire game? Bound to get a few belt high.

by AndyB83 on Jul 3, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you really need.....

A straight change-up, if you change speed on your curve?

Not saying Boggs does this, just asking the question.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The angle of the curve

Most breaking balls from righties curve into a left-handed batter’s wheelhouse, so it helps to retire lefties with a change-up, since it is more deceptive against lefties than a curveball.

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Boggs has one of those curves

It’s not a true 12-6 like Wainwright or Carpenter but one that breaks in on lefties a bit.

by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To get lefties you really need a change or a cutter

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 3, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A good change

can be one of the best pitches in baseball. Totally keeps the batter off guard and has the illusion of making the fastball look much faster than it is.

by Tackle Box on Jul 3, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tonight's lineup. Didn't the Post say that Kennedy was ailing?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

foul off his foot

and he needed to rest it, seems to be better now, and tony tends to put a struggler or two when we get a split/ guarantee a series

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't want a split though!

let’s take 3 outta 4 yo

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hell yeah!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Might even get a Barton sighting tonight. Signs are good since the Colombia rescue of those hostages

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok Boggs

gloves off tonight (metaphorically speaking)

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the trap?

oh crap! didnt we already lose someone speedy to a trappy tarp?

get that thing outta there!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone?

Whatever could you mean?

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still hurts

a little inside thinkin about it.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now that was a freak accident

that guy coulda put all the stolen base records off the charts

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I live in the lou

and it’s looking pretty miserable

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uhoh

gonna be rained out?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

it should be clearing up very soon. I live about 10 minutes west of downtown and it’s not raining anymore.

by jeff_abs on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stat about Mulder

“He’s pitched 32 complete games since 2003, a sum that not only leads the majors, but far out-distances the pack. Livan Hernandez is next at 21, and Mark Mulder’s 17 follows that. Halladay’s 32 complete games since ‘03 is more than that of 19 individual teams.”

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that seems to contradict itself

MM has pitched 32 complete games since 2003, Livan at 21 and MM again at 17? Im not sure I follow.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait

look again, shouldnt that be a tie between the two at 32?

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did Al just say

“They’ve got a lot of ‘chink’ hits off him?”

What does that even mean?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no worse than fox trying to reinvent the slurve

as cider

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as in apple cider?

but it would be pronounced kider…

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, was in the last game we were on fox, iirc a couple of saturday’s ago.

talking about Boggs if I recall correctly

“we can’t stand the name slurve, so we’ll call it a cider”

Nice.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No big deal,

But I think they tried to say “clider”, and acted at first like they were going to differentiate it from the “slurve”, but McCarver couldn’t think of any actual differences between the two, so they just laughed about the change of terminology, and this is a great example of a run-on sentence.

by fuegophil on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

I hope he meant chinks in the armor?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chink

to make, or cause to make, a short, sharp, ringing sound, as of coins or glasses striking together.

Also…

n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for person of Chinese birth or descent.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chink

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is that it doesn't mean anything related to baseball

He is misusing words, or making up new definitions. Perhaps he means “cheap” hits? Perhaps he means “chip” hits, making a reference to a golf shot? Lord only knows.

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think so?

I still think a couple good jokes could come out of this

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure there are

but here is probably not the best place for that

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trust me

I knew the definition.

I was just hoping he wasn’t trying to equate the racial slur to equate ‘cheap’.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he doesn’t even know. Words. Just. Come. Out.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, "chinky" meant "cheap" in the 1970's

according to Cassell’s Dictionary of Slang. And “chink” referred to the “tightness of one’s wallet.”

So, Al might have not used it incorrectly.

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, until about twenty years ago

it was the proud mascot of Pekin, Il.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe someone from Taiwan

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pelfrey

Home: ERA 3.06 BAA: .261 32/18 K/BB & 48 H in 50 IP
Away: ERA 6.38 BAA: .353 16/23 K/BB & 54 H in 36 IP

Feast away, me hardies!!

Also, LH BAA: .348 OPSA: .950 vs. RH BAA: .263 OPSA: .641 Dunc and Ank, please take note.

by punditmoi on Jul 3, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another reason AK and Miles are starting over Ryan (from above)

Hat tip to the Mad Scientist who wears his sunglasses at night so he can, so he can see.

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DId you see what Arizona did?

May Milwaukee’s bullpen be so lousy when they come back to the Midwest…

by StanTheManFan on Jul 3, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you missed it

Get on gameday and check out the video highlights. They are pretty awesome.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats amazing

Couldn’t get a single out!

by liam on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

May our Bullpen

be better in Sept when we face Arizona, when our games are going to count

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What was the little ritual

shoulder punching action among the coaches as they came out of the D-Backs dugout? That was bizarre.

by punditmoi on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice bullpen there

brewcrew

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Boys

50 wins before the 4th will feel real nice :)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Miles good or lucky?

His GB% is essentially the same as last season (.04% difference). His FB% has dropped about 4% and his LD% has gone up about 4%. Could it be that Grit has learned to the center the baseball on his tiny bat and slap liners about the ballpark?

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it sure looks that way

it seems like he is placing the ball, as someone said, like he’s a pool shark

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm looking forward to baseball tomorrow

A day off of work to grill and drink Budweiser (while it’s still American) while watching two rival teams play baseball. And I love that the colors of the uniforms are Red, White and Blue when the Cards and Cubs play each other.

by effin fisk on Jul 3, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God Bless America

Absolutely. Parades, Fireworks, grilling meat (hot dogs in particular), the best rivalry of the Nation’s Pastime. God bless the U.S.A.

by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if she looks like that, I’ll ignore the technicality.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they might let that one slide

since it’ll be the fourth. but technically, I’d still call it nekkid

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

everyone at the game

have your cameras at the ready

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

evening

a rick horton game? yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

But they had the tarp on to long.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

overcautious tarping

might make me miss the end of the game (stupid night job)

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was raining about an hour ago.

Just stopped around 6:40ish down town. Left it on for a little longer.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thinking of tarps, I had a chance to interview Ozzie and

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kuso hit the button too soon. Inteviewed Ozzie and Coleman after the latter fed the tarp.

Ozzie said Coleman was talking to some chick in the stands and was too distracted to notice the oncoming tarp. Must have been one hell of a lady or one hell of a tarp

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this izzy bit

is making me sad. Back to good eats.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"the 06 boos...

are a thing of the past.”

:-(

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

first pitch?

What time?

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

by showmejoe on Jul 3, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

6 beers from now

...it’s raining again in webster groves

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rasmus not playing

for the 2nd straight day. Injury? Potential trade? Hmm…..

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or (hopefully accurate)

they now have 4 true OF that are playing quite well since the Robinson callup and wanting to rest and do a slight platoon with everyone involved so none of them gets stale.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rasmus has had.....

PLENTY of rest this season. He’s sat out alot of games. I don’t think our best hitting spect needs to be sitting back to back games out, unless he is nursing an injury.

Certainly doesn’t need to be platooning.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or any three

since they could all be trade prospects. Play the three that are on the table.

makes some sense.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rasmus's name gets tossed around

a lot. But not one person inside or out of the organization has ever indicated specific knowledge that he’s a trade piece.

Maybe there’s a scout from somewhere down in Memphis who specifically asked about Robinson and he’s being accommodated. Or maybe Rasmus has food poisoning. It could be anything.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry, i think the way I typed it didn’t come across the same.

Mather, Stav and Robinson could all be trade pieces, or at least get some more PT as the trade deadline is coming ahead.

I wasn’t saying that Razza was a trade piece.

But you’re right, it could be anything. I’m not offering anything over and above the rest of the ideas, just alternative notions

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs are getting to Lincecum

1st and 3rd no outs in the 6th. Timmy is over 100 pitches

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Listening to KTRS. Who's on with Shannon? A lot of blather

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As per gameday, nothing but fastballs. Pitch variety?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Slurve

outside of the plate… not. wise.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

line drive off his glove

broken bat, the barrel almost hit him. That was a case where the umpire maybe should have called interference.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kuso - lots of pitches, few for strikes. . . bull pen sucketh. Not the start I'd hoped for

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MLB really needs to fix the broken bat problem

someone is going to get killed.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hell

he won’t be the only one soon

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's with Shannon on the radio? Drivel. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, he shouldn't have pitched around wright

but 2 infield hits and an error didn’t help…

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah really

that broken bat play was a really hard play. Piñeiro is probably the only one on the team that makes that most of the time. But at the same, time he probably should go to Memphis and polish his game out some. But sadly, the big club doesn’t really have anyone better, at least until Wainwright comes back.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 3, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pujols

he’s really eager for trescientos.

Here’s hoping he gets it soon and stops expanding his strike zone.

by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so Pujols is ofer lately

I don’t like that

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One swing, Santa

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by gocards62 on Jul 3, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

during the offseason

I really want to see Glaus in a Santa suit

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

this is off to a very slow start tonightl….

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game has the makings of a blowout

lets hope Mitchell remembers how to pitch

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1-2-3

is that good enough for you?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on the bright side

good AB for ankiel, nice swing by duncan….

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice swing with glaus too

it was a good pitch and he didn’t get enough of it, but I cant’ fault that swing at all.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitch counts not favorable. Boggs 30 half balls. Pelfrey 18, seven out of the zone

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, 5 of pelfreys strikes

were balls that albert swung at.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he just did

in the blink of an eye

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atta boy

Noticed that the Pirates stuck with batting the pitcher 8th. Anyone care to speculate which team might try it next?

I’d guess someone in the West.

by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

was thinkin’ Padres, but no real foundation on why

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he'll trust his stuff, he should settle

pure FB early on against the lefties (no change, don’t blame him I guess), but location was off. beaten on two slurves early against the lefties when sneaking them in.

then went on a slurve rampage after throwing it too many times.

Hopefully the 1st would be the worst case for him tonight, he did settle well first time out.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, nice 2nd inning. Much, much better.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

last time out*

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice, 1-2-3 inning. Not too many of those lately . . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Much better inning Mitchell

39 pitches over 2 innings = not as bad

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 groundouts

apparently Dave Duncan had a word or two with Mitch

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Son,

Just pretend that ain’t Aaron Miles back there.”

by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looks like he gets

to a point where he doesn’t pitch, but throw

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No FSMW for me

does gameday usually work this poorly?

by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Birds flash: Coleman hired to be tarp coach!

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check out the Cubs score. way to be Giants

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Miles

the only person on the team that can bunt?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game...

really has that “fall behind early followed by extremely lethargic offensive performance” feel to it…

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

after hitting 4 home runs last night

they think they are a home run machine all the sudden?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm thinking more like

a bizarro world version of the second game of this series.

by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

I’ve been noticing a pattern of that. good news is, I think they have exhausted Marmol only halfway through the season.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kid is runnin outta gas.

He is being abused it seems. New Manager, Same ol’ story for the Cubs.

by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I kinda wonder if Zambrano is not quickly headed the same way

All these years of abuse might lead to a sudden implosion. It might be sad to watch, even for a cub.

by fuegophil on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

after seeing Wood and Prior implode

I think they are used to it. but if they don’t win this year, the shit’s gonna hit the fan I think (although they will have new ownership, so that might not be good for us in the long run)

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably are used to it.

Gotta be a testament to some freak athleticism on Z’s part that he has stayed somewhat healthy this long. Not that I like him. At all. Or his team. Or his mother.

by fuegophil on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell...

I never even liked Victor Zambrano merely cuz they had the same last name…

by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The legend is slowly fading away

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

either that

or the owners are dictating how to use the bullpen?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another 300 abound

Yanno, I’ll eat crow, because I didn’t think Molina would be sitting .300 around July, hope he keeps it up and adds a lil umph here and there for a suprise.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SNY

K Hernandez just said that when the cubs come into town, “there will be a few fights in the stands. Trust me.”
I don’t get to see family anymore in St. Louis, but I can’t remember many fights.”
Is this just hyperbole?

by greenwichvillagecard on Jul 3, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alright, 99 bucks to Cardinals Care time

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

since this thread is so slow...

i’ll take the low road and immaturely point out that al just said “hardest woods”...i’ll show myself out, thanks…

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Infield singles suck ass.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A W F U L !

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Christ...

I’m a little tired of seeing Easley reach base…he’s not good…

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they've had 1 hit

out of 4 that have left the infield.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was just two slow

Slide to take out miles. He jumped over it. but it would have mattered.

Another bloop for a hit. ah hell.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dear Adam and Chris,

Get well soon. Please.

Signed,
Everyone

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know

How dare he get 5 weak hits against him.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's his own fault for putting himself in poor situations

by falling behind every batter and walking others

He has been absolutely terrible this game.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good god

this is a freakin’ joke.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd rather get beat that way

this is the baseball version of chinese water torture.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bad

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Partially at best...

Four pitch walks to weak-hitting catchers aren’t unlucky. Neither are those two rockets from Reyes and Chavez.

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hopefully all of our "unlucky"

will happen tonight and we’ll have “lucky” over the weekend…

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what would it take

to get duscherer from the A’s? he is a stud.

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

by showmejoe on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitching line up - Boggs, Izzy, Miles, Mulder, Ankiel - into the 5th

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

someone want to do a rain dance?

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ouch

that’s a bit harsh though

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok

no it’s not. 9-0!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's only the third

have a few more beers before heading out at least

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the tony curl up and die games

are terrible for a fanbase, great for a teams bullpen.

by enoscountry on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they won't be happy

if Pujols ends up hitting one

by random on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one working because...

??

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miles and Ank are on the field

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hah!

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to Al

its a “learning experience” for Boggs. Glad I turned in for some Mets batting practice.

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*tuned

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're going to be all right

Kennedy is leading off next inning

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the cost of on-the-run drinks when the Cards give up 9 through three innings?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they should give everyone

free drinks for that

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs