Game 87 Open Thread: July 3 2008
by lboros on Jul 3, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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New York Mets at St. Louis Cardinals, Jul 3, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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| Pelfrey | Boggs |
| 5-6, 4.47 | 3-0, 4.37 |
according to Fangraphs, boggs has relied almost exclusively on 2 pitches since he joined the cardinals --- his fastball (70 percent of the time), which averages 93 mph; and his curveball (21 percent), which averages 78 mph. those speeds, if they're accurate, would seem to make him fairly difficult to adjust to. so far, however, hitters have made pretty consistent contact --- when they swing the bat, they either put it in play or foul it off 88 percent of the time (the big league average is just 80 percent). if he learns how to change speeds <i>and</i> locate his pitches, he might be a decent hurler. . . . .
pelfrey relies even more heavily than boggs does on the fastball --- throws it 80 percent of the time, per Fangraphs, with the rest of his pitches split between slider and changeup.
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I'd be curious on the contact and splits therein along with the actual pitches used
reasoning is that he is a one pitch puppy by and large to LHP due to zero confidence (and below ML average) and not wanting to throw the slurve in there. Once he gets that pitch I think he will be too.
His fastball has that sexy late whipping movement and when the slurve can locate and he uses it, it can be filthy. When he adds that change, it will turn that mediocre pitcher into something to harness IMO.
Here’s to the rookie starting off 4-0 and taking this series 3 games to 1, good luck Boggs
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zero confidence (and below ML average) + changeup *
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I love the late movement on his fastball. He is off to a pretty good start. I’ve been glad to see him get a chance and see no reason to be discouraged by what he has shown so far.
by Youneverknow on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to think of something clever and baseball related to write
‘Cardinals swing some bats in the pelfrey?‘
I don’t know. Go Cards.
by effin fisk on Jul 3, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miles
Duncan
Pujols
Ankiel
Glaus
Ludwick
Molina
Boggs
Kennedy
Reyes
Chavez
Wright
Church
Delgado
Easley
Anderson
Castro
Pelfrey
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
going with the power outfield again
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grittier than gritty
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No range
Why on earth would anyone allow Grit to play SS in a MLB game? His defense is such a horrid liability. But, his luck is running high this month. Hopefully his slaps find the outfield green tonight as they have been this month (and season).
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather see Ryan
but hey, Tony’s playing the hot card right now (plus he has a mancrush on Miles)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I don’t like about it is that the Mets have had a lot of singles grating through our defense in all 3 games. If the trend continues his range is much more of a liability at SS than it is at 2nd, even if he helps with his bat he could be walking a fine line in negative production overall.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least we have our best defensive 2B in there tonight
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally untrue.....
I’m not going to say that Miles is an excellent SS, he isn’t, but he is more than adequate from time to time. He’ll make the plays he gets to, and he’s hitting the ball. Ryan isn’t, or he’d probably be starting.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol making plays he gets to? thats the whole point...
he doesnt even have the range to play 2nd…..he cant get to lots of routine plays that ryan or Iz2 would get.
by FunkeeC on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
The last week has been good to Grit. Heck, the whole season has. But you’re assuming that the choice is between Ryan and Miles. It’s not. The choice is a fatal threeway between AK, Miles and Ryan. Mixing and matching, why not start Ryan at SS and Miles at 2B if you are going to play the lucky bat? This week, Ryan is hitting about .170 and AK is hitting about .180.
I also echo Funkee on the defense comments. The problem with Miles is his lack of range—meaning the balls he can’t reach to field.
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it looks like.....
Ryan could use a day off, and Kennedy deserves some AB’s.
Who is the back up SS currently? Yep, Miles.
It isn’t rocket science.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright,
1.) Ryan has been in a platoon role all year long and hasn’t played a lot of games in a row. Since Iz has been hurt, Ryan has a considerable uptick in his playing time. – He probably needs a day off. Iz still being out means Miles gets that role.
2.) Miles has a bat that has been insanely good over the past couple of weeks and that will regress at some point, but while it’s there, use it.
3.) Adam’s bat seen some resurgence over the course of the last few games he had played, he was injured and is ok, so play that bat in a low liability situation.
4.) The plays he gets to, by all metrics is a lot less than the two other SS, it’s not even comparable.
So the result is that Ryan is getting over exposed and needs some time off, Kennedy needs some playing time, Miles bat is hot. So you sit Ryan a game.
I don’t think it reflects anything Ryan has done or not done, just circumstances.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ryan has also looked bad defensively the last few games
I’m not sure what’s going on, if he’s hiding an injury or what, but after being almost perfect for the first 2.5 months at short (49 of 52) he has missed 5 of the last 13 balls hit in his zone AND made an error. He’s fallen from a .940 RZR to a .864 in a little over a week (since June 28th).
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll post this again
At SS he’s gotten 17/20 balls apparently which would be average (tiny sample)..............but last year in a semi-real sample he would’ve been by a wide, wide margin the worst shortstop in the league. The difference between last place and 8th place was .060 points. The difference between last place and Aaron Miles would’ve been .064 points.
That’s in terms of RZR. He’s beyond a liability at short, he’s an anchor.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on Jul 3, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on another note.....
I’m not a huge stat guy. I don’t get into all the complicated metrics, especially when it concerns defense.
I’ve watched Miles play SS plenty of times, and it doesn’t scare me in the slightest. He isn’t Ozzie Smith, but I really don’t think you lose much with him out there.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it.....
Expecting a rather high scoring game tonight.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 runs
all ours
I’ll be happy
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pelfrey...
... with a guy that brings heat 8 out of 10 pitches, why not just sit on fastballs the entire game? Bound to get a few belt high.
by AndyB83 on Jul 3, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really need.....
A straight change-up, if you change speed on your curve?
Not saying Boggs does this, just asking the question.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The angle of the curve
Most breaking balls from righties curve into a left-handed batter’s wheelhouse, so it helps to retire lefties with a change-up, since it is more deceptive against lefties than a curveball.
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Boggs has one of those curves
It’s not a true 12-6 like Wainwright or Carpenter but one that breaks in on lefties a bit.
by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get lefties you really need a change or a cutter
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on Jul 3, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good change
can be one of the best pitches in baseball. Totally keeps the batter off guard and has the illusion of making the fastball look much faster than it is.
by Tackle Box on Jul 3, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-1
wheels coming off the wagon.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4-1
Soto is now officially a Cub.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i saw on gameday that he made an error -- care to elaborate?
gooooooo giants!
by djones9 on Jul 3, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is this Gallagher dude?
doesn’t he smash watermelons or something?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Lewis
made up for the Woods wiff there – although Edmonds gave him some help.
by enoscountry on Jul 3, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's lineup. Didn't the Post say that Kennedy was ailing?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ailing enough to bat 9th?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
foul off his foot
and he needed to rest it, seems to be better now, and tony tends to put a struggler or two when we get a split/ guarantee a series
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want a split though!
let’s take 3 outta 4 yo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might even get a Barton sighting tonight. Signs are good since the Colombia rescue of those hostages
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok Boggs
gloves off tonight (metaphorically speaking)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the trap?
oh crap! didnt we already lose someone speedy to a trappy tarp?
get that thing outta there!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still hurts
a little inside thinkin about it.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that was a freak accident
that guy coulda put all the stolen base records off the charts
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in the lou
and it’s looking pretty miserable
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhoh
gonna be rained out?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
At least according to the National Weather Service doppler radar:
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lsx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stat about Mulder
“He’s pitched 32 complete games since 2003, a sum that not only leads the majors, but far out-distances the pack. Livan Hernandez is next at 21, and Mark Mulder’s 17 follows that. Halladay’s 32 complete games since ‘03 is more than that of 19 individual teams.”
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that seems to contradict itself
MM has pitched 32 complete games since 2003, Livan at 21 and MM again at 17? Im not sure I follow.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
halladay id guess should be numba 1 not MM
by FunkeeC on Jul 3, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
look again, shouldnt that be a tie between the two at 32?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 3, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Halliday number 1, Got it out of an article about Halliday
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
got it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were starting a new post there and hadn't read the one it was supposed to go to
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Al just say
“They’ve got a lot of ‘chink’ hits off him?”
What does that even mean?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no worse than fox trying to reinvent the slurve
as cider
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as in apple cider?
but it would be pronounced kider…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, was in the last game we were on fox, iirc a couple of saturday’s ago.
talking about Boggs if I recall correctly
“we can’t stand the name slurve, so we’ll call it a cider”
Nice.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'tarded
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No big deal,
But I think they tried to say “clider”, and acted at first like they were going to differentiate it from the “slurve”, but McCarver couldn’t think of any actual differences between the two, so they just laughed about the change of terminology, and this is a great example of a run-on sentence.
by fuegophil on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I hope he meant chinks in the armor?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chink
to make, or cause to make, a short, sharp, ringing sound, as of coins or glasses striking together.
Also…
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for person of Chinese birth or descent.
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that it doesn't mean anything related to baseball
He is misusing words, or making up new definitions. Perhaps he means “cheap” hits? Perhaps he means “chip” hits, making a reference to a golf shot? Lord only knows.
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've officially beaten it into the ground
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think so?
I still think a couple good jokes could come out of this
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure there are
but here is probably not the best place for that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me
I knew the definition.
I was just hoping he wasn’t trying to equate the racial slur to equate ‘cheap’.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only Al knows for sure
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn’t even know. Words. Just. Come. Out.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what happens when you drink every day
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, "chinky" meant "cheap" in the 1970's
according to Cassell’s Dictionary of Slang. And “chink” referred to the “tightness of one’s wallet.”
So, Al might have not used it incorrectly.
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
but there is a reason people don’t use it anymore.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, until about twenty years ago
it was the proud mascot of Pekin, Il.
Well who the hell can see forever?
by Alxfritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe someone from Taiwan
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pelfrey
Home: ERA 3.06 BAA: .261 32/18 K/BB & 48 H in 50 IP
Away: ERA 6.38 BAA: .353 16/23 K/BB & 54 H in 36 IP
Feast away, me hardies!!
Also, LH BAA: .348 OPSA: .950 vs. RH BAA: .263 OPSA: .641 Dunc and Ank, please take note.
by punditmoi on Jul 3, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another reason AK and Miles are starting over Ryan (from above)
Hat tip to the Mad Scientist who wears his sunglasses at night so he can, so he can see.
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DId you see what Arizona did?
May Milwaukee’s bullpen be so lousy when they come back to the Midwest…
by StanTheManFan on Jul 3, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you missed it
Get on gameday and check out the video highlights. They are pretty awesome.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May our Bullpen
be better in Sept when we face Arizona, when our games are going to count
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the little ritual
shoulder punching action among the coaches as they came out of the D-Backs dugout? That was bizarre.
by punditmoi on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice bullpen there
brewcrew
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Boys
50 wins before the 4th will feel real nice :)
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Miles good or lucky?
His GB% is essentially the same as last season (.04% difference). His FB% has dropped about 4% and his LD% has gone up about 4%. Could it be that Grit has learned to the center the baseball on his tiny bat and slap liners about the ballpark?
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it sure looks that way
it seems like he is placing the ball, as someone said, like he’s a pool shark
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking forward to baseball tomorrow
A day off of work to grill and drink Budweiser (while it’s still American) while watching two rival teams play baseball. And I love that the colors of the uniforms are Red, White and Blue when the Cards and Cubs play each other.
by effin fisk on Jul 3, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you'll miss the big pyrotechnics displays if you're watching the game though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that I will be doing some grilling tomorrow before the game
mmmm, brats
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I had more ooomph
I would boil them in beer first.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the west coast
I’m hoping I can enjoy the best of both worlds since it stays light later here, but I guess that’s yet to be seen.
by effin fisk on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
sounds good man!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God Bless America
Absolutely. Parades, Fireworks, grilling meat (hot dogs in particular), the best rivalry of the Nation’s Pastime. God bless the U.S.A.
by bgh on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about the streaker
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if only she could wear red white and blue body paint
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are wearing body paint does it count as streaking?
by Egyptian on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if she looks like that, I’ll ignore the technicality.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they might let that one slide
since it’ll be the fourth. but technically, I’d still call it nekkid
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, if we are going to get a decently hot streaker
I want to get the full effect, July 4 or no.
by Egyptian on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone at the game
have your cameras at the ready
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
evening
a rick horton game? yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rain delay?
it’s not even raining
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
overcautious tarping
might make me miss the end of the game (stupid night job)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was raining about an hour ago.
Just stopped around 6:40ish down town. Left it on for a little longer.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking of tarps, I had a chance to interview Ozzie and
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kuso hit the button too soon. Inteviewed Ozzie and Coleman after the latter fed the tarp.
Ozzie said Coleman was talking to some chick in the stands and was too distracted to notice the oncoming tarp. Must have been one hell of a lady or one hell of a tarp
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe there was a streaker and a stealth tarp involved
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this izzy bit
is making me sad. Back to good eats.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"the 06 boos...
are a thing of the past.”
:-(
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
must not have been that bad of boos
if we won the w.s.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first pitch?
What time?
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Jul 3, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6 beers from now
...it’s raining again in webster groves
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus not playing
for the 2nd straight day. Injury? Potential trade? Hmm…..
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or (hopefully accurate)
they now have 4 true OF that are playing quite well since the Robinson callup and wanting to rest and do a slight platoon with everyone involved so none of them gets stale.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus has had.....
PLENTY of rest this season. He’s sat out alot of games. I don’t think our best hitting spect needs to be sitting back to back games out, unless he is nursing an injury.
Certainly doesn’t need to be platooning.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 3, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be a desire to showcase
Shane Robinson. But I kind of doubt it.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 3, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or any three
since they could all be trade prospects. Play the three that are on the table.
makes some sense.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus's name gets tossed around
a lot. But not one person inside or out of the organization has ever indicated specific knowledge that he’s a trade piece.
Maybe there’s a scout from somewhere down in Memphis who specifically asked about Robinson and he’s being accommodated. Or maybe Rasmus has food poisoning. It could be anything.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, i think the way I typed it didn’t come across the same.
Mather, Stav and Robinson could all be trade pieces, or at least get some more PT as the trade deadline is coming ahead.
I wasn’t saying that Razza was a trade piece.
But you’re right, it could be anything. I’m not offering anything over and above the rest of the ideas, just alternative notions
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs are getting to Lincecum
1st and 3rd no outs in the 6th. Timmy is over 100 pitches
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Listening to KTRS. Who's on with Shannon? A lot of blather
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Back to back starts for Boggs
after a delay, correct?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can't help his pacing
especially as a rookie
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As per gameday, nothing but fastballs. Pitch variety?
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HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like a variety of balls so far
2 bbs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slurve
outside of the plate… not. wise.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What the hell has happened to our starting pitching?
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
line drive off his glove
broken bat, the barrel almost hit him. That was a case where the umpire maybe should have called interference.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kuso - lots of pitches, few for strikes. . . bull pen sucketh. Not the start I'd hoped for
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB really needs to fix the broken bat problem
someone is going to get killed.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rick horton sounds disinterested in the game.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hell
he won’t be the only one soon
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's with Shannon on the radio? Drivel. . .
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HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy Memphis mitchell
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he shouldn't have pitched around wright
but 2 infield hits and an error didn’t help…
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(and wright very easily could have made it 2-0 without any of those happening)
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah really
that broken bat play was a really hard play. Piñeiro is probably the only one on the team that makes that most of the time. But at the same, time he probably should go to Memphis and polish his game out some. But sadly, the big club doesn’t really have anyone better, at least until Wainwright comes back.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 3, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little presumptuous there
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR will not put up with a pitcher who can't field his position
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the Mitchell Boggs experiment is at an end...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
he’s really eager for trescientos.
Here’s hoping he gets it soon and stops expanding his strike zone.
by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Pujols is ofer lately
I don’t like that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One swing, Santa
Proud sponsor of the Official 2008 StL Cardinal theme song: "Beautiful Day" by U2
by gocards62 on Jul 3, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
during the offseason
I really want to see Glaus in a Santa suit
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
this is off to a very slow start tonightl….
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This game has the makings of a blowout
lets hope Mitchell remembers how to pitch
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1-2-3
is that good enough for you?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the bright side
good AB for ankiel, nice swing by duncan….
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice swing with glaus too
it was a good pitch and he didn’t get enough of it, but I cant’ fault that swing at all.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch counts not favorable. Boggs 30 half balls. Pelfrey 18, seven out of the zone
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, 5 of pelfreys strikes
were balls that albert swung at.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he just did
in the blink of an eye
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atta boy
Noticed that the Pirates stuck with batting the pitcher 8th. Anyone care to speculate which team might try it next?
I’d guess someone in the West.
by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was thinkin’ Padres, but no real foundation on why
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he'll trust his stuff, he should settle
pure FB early on against the lefties (no change, don’t blame him I guess), but location was off. beaten on two slurves early against the lefties when sneaking them in.
then went on a slurve rampage after throwing it too many times.
Hopefully the 1st would be the worst case for him tonight, he did settle well first time out.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, nice 2nd inning. Much, much better.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last time out*
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice, 1-2-3 inning. Not too many of those lately . . .
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HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Much better inning Mitchell
39 pitches over 2 innings = not as bad
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 groundouts
apparently Dave Duncan had a word or two with Mitch
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like he gets
to a point where he doesn’t pitch, but throw
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No FSMW for me
does gameday usually work this poorly?
by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
think boggs was spooked by the tarp delay -- that would explain the rough first
he had too much time to cool down.
by tom s. on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Birds flash: Coleman hired to be tarp coach!
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HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out the Cubs score. way to be Giants
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Miles
the only person on the team that can bunt?
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boggs missed the sign
or Molina decided to steal 2nd.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Had to have missed a hit and run
No way Tony sends Molina to second.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 3, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game...
really has that “fall behind early followed by extremely lethargic offensive performance” feel to it…
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They are all trying
to tie the game with 1 swing of the bat.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after hitting 4 home runs last night
they think they are a home run machine all the sudden?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking more like
a bizarro world version of the second game of this series.
by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marmol coughes up 3 runs
Cubs down 7-3.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which explains why we are losing
Brewers and Cubs both likely lose, so we refuse to win.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’ve been noticing a pattern of that. good news is, I think they have exhausted Marmol only halfway through the season.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kid is runnin outta gas.
He is being abused it seems. New Manager, Same ol’ story for the Cubs.
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda wonder if Zambrano is not quickly headed the same way
All these years of abuse might lead to a sudden implosion. It might be sad to watch, even for a cub.
by fuegophil on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after seeing Wood and Prior implode
I think they are used to it. but if they don’t win this year, the shit’s gonna hit the fan I think (although they will have new ownership, so that might not be good for us in the long run)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably are used to it.
Gotta be a testament to some freak athleticism on Z’s part that he has stayed somewhat healthy this long. Not that I like him. At all. Or his team. Or his mother.
by fuegophil on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell...
I never even liked Victor Zambrano merely cuz they had the same last name…
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The legend is slowly fading away
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol is broken, good work Lou
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has that Dusty
Baker quality in a manager.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 3, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
either that
or the owners are dictating how to use the bullpen?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another 300 abound
Yanno, I’ll eat crow, because I didn’t think Molina would be sitting .300 around July, hope he keeps it up and adds a lil umph here and there for a suprise.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SNY
K Hernandez just said that when the cubs come into town, “there will be a few fights in the stands. Trust me.”
I don’t get to see family anymore in St. Louis, but I can’t remember many fights.”
Is this just hyperbole?
by greenwichvillagecard on Jul 3, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright, 99 bucks to Cardinals Care time
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
since this thread is so slow...
i’ll take the low road and immaturely point out that al just said “hardest woods”...i’ll show myself out, thanks…
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Infield singles suck ass.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jul 3, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A W F U L !
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Christ...
I’m a little tired of seeing Easley reach base…he’s not good…
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the mets are dinking us to death!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they've had 1 hit
out of 4 that have left the infield.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the less fortunate...
Why could they not turn two?
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was just two slow
Slide to take out miles. He jumped over it. but it would have mattered.
Another bloop for a hit. ah hell.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Adam and Chris,
Get well soon. Please.
Signed,
Everyone
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boggs, you are terrible
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i know
How dare he get 5 weak hits against him.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's his own fault for putting himself in poor situations
by falling behind every batter and walking others
He has been absolutely terrible this game.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good god
this is a freakin’ joke.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather get beat that way
this is the baseball version of chinese water torture.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Mulder wasn't 'unlucky' last night
what does that make Boggs tonight?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Partially at best...
Four pitch walks to weak-hitting catchers aren’t unlucky. Neither are those two rockets from Reyes and Chavez.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully all of our "unlucky"
will happen tonight and we’ll have “lucky” over the weekend…
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would it take
to get duscherer from the A’s? he is a stud.
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching line up - Boggs, Izzy, Miles, Mulder, Ankiel - into the 5th
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
someone want to do a rain dance?
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
endy isn't even a name, dammit!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans boo'ing and leaving
can’t say I blame them.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ouch
that’s a bit harsh though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
no it’s not. 9-0!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only the third
have a few more beers before heading out at least
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's still hope for a rain out!
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is the best idea i've heard all night
let’s go mamma nature!
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do your rain dance
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tony curl up and die games
are terrible for a fanbase, great for a teams bullpen.
by enoscountry on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they won't be happy
if Pujols ends up hitting one
by random on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one working because...
??
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miles and Ank are on the field
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah!
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's not have another 20 run loss
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Al
its a “learning experience” for Boggs. Glad I turned in for some Mets batting practice.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*tuned
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so he should just do the opposite of what he just did
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're going to be all right
Kennedy is leading off next inning
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the cost of on-the-run drinks when the Cards give up 9 through three innings?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they should give everyone
free drinks for that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mixed drinks
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs is about to get the Marquis special
Your ERA is in for quite a hit tonight kid.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's paying karma for going 4-0
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
It is quite humorous if you actually look at it right now. Get Lucifer off the team!
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will TLR take Albert out?
He’s clearly given up on the game, would hate for that knee to go again.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
plus he might hit #300 against someone other than the cubs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Tony’s given up but not Albert. Plus getting 300 might be a small reward for fans who sit through this.
by enoscountry on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it's time for
B Thompson to pitch the rest of the game
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no matter how
many innings or runs
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was thinking
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side
Chicago’s bullpen will be toast tomorrow also
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris "rally killer" Duncan
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chris "hit a huge home run last night so get off my ass" duncan
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(i was being sarcastic)
obviously one baserunner does not make a rally when down by 9
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no i know
i just wanted to come back with something…it wasn’t a shot at you or anything.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kennedy doing his best
“let’s get this over with” tactics.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
honestly, who cares?
at this point, the quicker the game ends, the better
let them get rested up and ready for the Cubs
and pray to whatever gods they pray to, that this isn’t the beginning of the end for our starting pitching
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
silver lining
this embarrassment could help with motivation into the weekend.
Yes, yes. That’s how I choose to see this travesty.
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonights game...
is a perfect example of why Wellemeyer should have been pulled earlier in the 2nd game of this series while the Cards still had a chance to win. They could possibly have already won the set yesterday and tonight wouldnt seem so bad. I do understand ‘saving’ the bulpen for the rest of the series, but I do not think that you can give up the chance for a potential win just because of what might happen tomorrow or the next day. In my opinion its an insult to the home fans for this to happen, but it does & IMO game 2 was THE key to this series. And, yes, I say all of this knowing the cubs are in town tomorrow.
by buzzburton33 on Jul 3, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what's more of a joke
this game, or still sitting around and watching this game?
by enoscountry on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
still sitting around and watching the game
and aren’t we all doing it?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How come it seems like we have these type of games at home
First the Phillies and now the Mets….
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because we are an abysmal home team
if this team could win its home games like the cubs/red sox/rays/etc… do, we’d be well in first place
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well to win like the flubs, we need cameras in the visitors dugouts & club house
and some thing in center field to let our hitters know what pitch is coming
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not against it :P
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did u hear Bernie's explanation last night?
Tony and his underdog syndrome doesn’t play well in front of the home crowd.
It’s…one idea…
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, so is the earth is flat
it’s just not true
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a minute....the earth isn't flat??
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rotation
6/25 – Lohse – 4 IP, 11 H, 5 ER
6/26 – Welle – 5 IP, 4 H, 0 ER
6/27 – Pineiro – 7.2 IP, 10 H, 7 ER
6/28 – Boggs – 6 IP, 4 H, 1 ER
6/29 – Looper – 3.1 IP, 6 H, 2 ER
6/30 – Lohse – 7 IP, 5 H, 1 ER
7/1 – Welle – 5 IP, 12 H, 6 ER
7/2 – Pineiro 5 IP, 11 H, 4 ER
7/3 – Boggs – 3 IP, 7 H, 9 ER so far
The rotation has no consistency at all.
If Mozeliak believes that we can fill in the voids this team has internally, it’d be nice to see those now.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm more than a little bit worried about our second half
Other than Lohse, our starters are turning into pumpkins.
Might be time to give Garcia a shot
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Looper could be okay too
But Garcia does need to come up—at least until Wainwright gets back.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 3, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the above shows (unfortunate) consistency. Good post! Average 5 innings per start
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
time to piggy back
in stl?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bright side might be that...
The two pitchers with lines of 12.2 IP, 11 ER & 9 IP, 10 ER aren’t of the 3 getting starts against the 1st place Cubs this weekend…
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to include Looper
6/24 – Looper – 6 IP, 7 H, 4 ER
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn.
I was hoping that since it wasn’t listed… It was at least a quality start. Regardless, I think the last pitcher I’d want to see start in Chicago is a rookie who hasn’t done much to impress me quite yet. Not saying he can’t be a contributor, but just not my first choice in a key matchup like the one we have this weekend.
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I get it all
Boggs sucked in the 3rd because he couldn’t lay down a bunt?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just sucks in odd-numbered innings.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No just the first 9
"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck
by CurtainCall on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked that he just said
“Let’s hope the Cardinals can rebound and pick up a game on the Cubs”.
The eternal optimist!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flubs lose, fubs lose
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i give up, i couldnt speell to save my life
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least we are not alone
the Yankees are getting whipped at home by the Sox 7-0. Think DeWitt will jump on our hitters in the press like Hank will?
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if they lost like this to the flubs, i wouldn't mind
the Yanks hate losing to the sawx in the Bronx.
especially in blow out fashion like tonight
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was calling everything yesterday?
didn’t stlcardinalsfang and HCL have a streak going?
by enoscountry on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's get Albert out of there. What possible benefit to keeping him in the game
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let him hit #300
so he can stop pressing so hard to get it
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would thing that the mang would know better
but maybe there’s an inherent jinx trying to reach milestones (media?)
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team gets a great moral victory last night
only to get kicked in the teeth right off the bat today.
Thanks Mitch
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB Gameday
is virtually worthless. It’s skipping at-bats left and right.
I think the Cards just want to out-do the Snakes comeback from earlier.
by liam on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not only does our pitching suck tonight
our hitters have apparently taken the day off
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh
when a team falls down by a large amount of runs, they almost always stop hitting.
you lose motivation, you just want to get the game over with, so you take bad at bats and go up there hacking.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
against this team, we could possibly come back imo. play a hard 9
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately, a hard 9 doesn't apply when you're down by 9
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 3, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure it does
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s not like you can just forfeit the game
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It always seems to happen when we get behind by a lot of runs early
Offense took the night off on those games vs. the Pirates & the Phillies when they had a big lead early.
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we also take the night off
when we have a big lead early (except for last night)
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My last night in Japan. I wanted to leave on a 3-out of 4 high. Sigh! Will leave with a hangover and three percent of the world's sushi to recycle.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what were you doing in Japan?
I’d like to live there for a year, I was thinking about the Jet program…
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jet program is fun. My niece did it and loved it. I taught for DOD schools, but am retiring to Thailand
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
Thai food is among my favorites
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lo and behold
Ludwick got a hit
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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