the colonel per pitch/fX
a while ago over at Brew Crew Ball, a poster named dixieflatline presented some pitch/FX charts parsing out the velocity and movement on the pitches of the brewer starters, game by game. here’s a link to one of these posts, re dave bush; there are others if you hunt for them. very cool stuff. it turns out that dixieflatline is none other than josh kalk, creator of the world’s best publicly available pitch/FX data warehouse. right before i went on vacation, i asked josh if he would create such a chart for me on todd wellemeyer; i was curious to see if the chart showed a significant difference in the movement of his pitches --- specifically, his slider --- pre- and post-elbow. we’ve heard numerous times that welley’s slider isn’t biting anymore, and i wanted to see if that lack of bite could be quantified via pitch/FX. josh generously honored my request, preparing charts not only of todd’s slider but also his fastball. with wellemeyer slated to pitch tonight, i thought i would roll out the material today.
the charts arrived last week, while i was away from the blog, so they don’t include welley’s start vs the brew crew last thursday; the last start shown here is wellemeyer’s 6.1-inning, 5-run outing vs the padres on july 19, which he won. let’s begin with the chart of welley’s fastball:

first of all, the gray vertical line at day 160 corresponds to the initial manifestation of the elbow problem, in washington on june 5. everything to the left of that line (including the june 5 start) happened before the injury, and everything to the right of the line happened afterward (ie, all starts from june 13 forward).
look next at the black dots, the center row in the chart --- those represent the velocity of todd’s fastball. the mph scale is on the left-hand side of the chart; todd has averaged 92 to 93 on his fastball most of the season. right after the injury, his velocity increased into the 94-95 mph range for a few starts --- presumably because the extra rest put a little spring back into his arm.
now refer to the red dots, the bottom row on the chart; those show side-to-side movement. the averages are all below 0, which means his fastball runs in on a right-handed hitter; positive numbers break away from a righty, in on a lefty. note how smooth the line appears to be before the injury; with one exception (the may 9 start vs milwaukee, near day 130), the midpoints are very consistent from one start to the next. now look at the line since his injury ---- very inconsistent. one day he’s really busting ‘em inside, but the next day the same pitch stays 2 inches further out over the plate --- maybe far enough out there to get hammered. the erratic plot on the red dots post-elbow suggest a pitcher groping to locate his fastball --- a guy who can’t be sure from game to game where the pitch is going to go.
the blue dots at the top of the chart represent elevation: the higher the dot, the more the pitches stay up in the zone. (they’re labeled "vertical movement" on josh’s charts, but i’ll quibble with that terminology because it suggests that a pitch might break either up or down; in truth all pitches break down, it’s just that some break down more than others.) there’s been just a slight change there since the injury, a slight decrease in the elevation of the pitch --- nothing too drastic, but you can see it. this seems at odds with the velocity data --- i would expect the pitch elevation to increase with increased velocity, but apparently the opposite has happened. in any case, i don’t think it’s significant --- the change is small, and it has remained consistent, so presumably welley would be able to adjust to it. the most meaningful thing i see on the fastball chart is the unmooring of the side-side break on his fastball --- i think that illustrates a loss of command and an inability to locate pitches with snap, which are usually the problems associated with a tender elbow.
ok, let’s move on to the slider:

there’s not a whole lot to see ---- the average side-to-side movement (red dots) hasn’t changed much, pre- and post-elbow; ditto the average elevation (blue dots). and the average velocity on the slider (black dots) increased right after the injury, thanks to the extra days off. i had thought we might see a dramatic change, but there isn't one at first glance.
but the dots only represent the averages ---- the midpoint for each start. let’s look at the range, which is represented by the vertical lines sticking out the top and bottom of each dot. just to take an example, in welley’s second start of the year his slider velocity (the black dot) ranged from a low of about 81.5 miles per hour to a high of about 87. that’s a wide range, ie a high degree of variation or a lack of consistency. notice how the ranges on all three rows ---- velocity, side-side movement, and elevation --- tighten up after day 120 or so, right up until the injury. that corresponds roughly to the month of may, when todd was named nl pitcher of the month. the short range lines indicate that he was getting nearly identical movement on the pitch every time he threw it --- very consistent. after the injury, the range lines on all three rows go slack; from pitch to pitch his slider just hasn’t been as reliable in any respect (movement, break, or elevation). the velocity on the slider has been particularly sloppy since the injury --- the high-low ranges have been about 5 mph per game, and the midpoints (ie, the dots themselves) have bounced around quite a bit --- he was averaging nearly 88 mph on the pitch in his july 6 start vs the cubs, but less than 84 mph two starts later vs the padres on july 19. to the extent that welly has lost command of the slider, it’s most evident in the velocity row.
while these charts are illustrative, they don’t tell the whole story. there’s a critical element missing ---- location. if you throw a so-so slider on the outside corner, you might get a groundball to short; throw another slider with identical break and velocity but locate it right over the plate or put it belt high, and you’re going to get a different outcome. these charts won’t capture that kind of thing. but they do tell us something about pitch location, because when a guy starts to get inconsistent movement --- as wellemeyer has with both of his main pitches --- he’s going to miss spots.
thanks very much to josh kalk for taking the time to do this. if you haven’t browsed his pitch/FX data before, you really should.
a few items:
- yesterday’s various statements re the cardinal closer perfectly encapsulated the situation. first thing in the morning, i proclaimed kyle mcclellan to be the best man for the job. later in the day, la russa --- impudently usurping my authority --- announced that the 9th inning still belonged to ryan franklin. a few hours after that, dave duncan repealed that executive order and declared that izzy has won his old job back --- he’s closing. and during the fsn midwest broadcast last night, john mozeliak said that adam wainwright might close some games when he returns from his injury. that about sums it up, eh? . . . .
- tyler green got promoted to memphis --- big news for a former first-rounder who has struggled mightily. he was chosen at #30 in the 2005 draft, two slots after colby rasmus, but it has been a rough go for the kid --- didn’t hit in class A in 2006, didn’t hit in double A in 2007. he returned to double A again this year and started slowly, hitting .178 in april and .278 in may; but since june 1 he’s hit .305 and slugged .520 with 9 homers in 200 at-bats; his k rate is still high and his walk rate is abysmal, but if the guy is gonna have a career the cards have to challenge him. his MLE slash lines for the season are still only .206 / .253 / .329, so it’s not as if this is gi-normous news; but the cardinals need a shortstop, he can field the position, and he’s showing improvement at the plate. keep your fingers crossed. greene led off for memphis last night in his debut and went 1 for 5. he becomes the 6th player from the 2005 draft to reach triple A; 3 of those players (garcia boggs and stavinoha) already have played in st louis, and 2 others (rasmus and bryan anderson) are almost certain to make it.
- another late-blooming 2005 draftee, 3d-rounder daryl jones, got moved up to springfield after posting an .876 ops at palm beach, a notorious pitchers haven. by my count, no fewer than 17 players from the 2005 draft have reached double A or higher, and i might be missing one or two; any of you draft experts out there know if that’s a high number for one draft? sure sounds high to me.
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I still dread Wainwright being used as a closer
What an enormous waste of our #1 pitcher.
Here’s hoping Izzy finds the mojo and Waino doesn’t need to close. I’m not holding my breath.
by mojowo11 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:12 AM EDT
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Breakdown
Shouldn’t we look at Izzy’s performance to see how it compares to, say, last year and pre-DL this year? In June, he had a 1.74 ERA in 10 IP while opponents hit .256 against him. In July, he had a 6.25 ERA in 8.2 IP while opponents batted for a lower-than-July average of .235. This is tempered by 4 IP in the last 7 days with a 2.25 ERA and .143 BAA. So, I assumed that Dunc and TLR are looking at the last 7 days and 4 IP as some sort of indicator that he has returned to form?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 9:24 AM EDT
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I would assume that as well
He has looked pretty good the past few times out, albeit not in save type situations. As Al said on the broadcast last night, for this team to go anywhere, Izzy really needs to find himself and begin pitching like he did a year ago.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 29, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
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Which would include being very lucky on batted balls
Last year, Izzy lucked into a career low .226 BABIP. His career average BABIP is .290 and next-lowest BABIP season total was in 2006 at .247. This year, he has had a .314 BABIP. If it falls a few points, he’ll be better, but will he be as good as the Cards need to make a playoff run? I don’t know…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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considering
how much worse the defense was a year ago, I guess you could call that “wishing on stars” lucky in 2007.
I don’t know if he’ll be great, but anything better than what the club has had the past 6 weeks has got to be better, right? (I’m crossing my fingers….)
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 29, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
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In Franklin's defense (I can't believe I'm typing this)
His last ten appearances have been the problem. He’s what 14/20 on save opportunities with 5 of his 6 blown saves coming in his last 10 chances. He actually somewhat stabilized the 9th right after taking over the “closer” job. He’s just unravelled right before our eyes, which isn’t terribly surprising, given that re-signing him was, to borrow your phrase, “wishing on lucky starts” that Franklin would maintain the outcomes he produced last year, his career aberration year. The re-signing of both Franklin and Izzy were 50/50 bets by Mo. Both are getting up there, have lots of mileage, and were incredibly lucky one year ago.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
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Just a slight quibble
Neither Franklin nor Izzy were re-signed by Mo. Izzy is playing out the end of a long term deal, and Franklin was extended last summer by Jocketty. The Franklin deal, in particular, was a terrible bet, in my ever so humble opinion, but Mozeliak didn’t place that bet.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 29, 2008 10:40 AM EDT
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Really?
I thought we extended Franklin after season’s end. My bad.
As for Izzy, didn’t we exercise a club option for this year?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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Yeah
Made sense at the time. The guy did sport a 2.48 ERA (177 ERA+, second highest of his career) last year and we didn’t really have any other apparent options. There wasn’t much debate about it at the time. It seemed like a no-brainer.
by mojowo11 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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and that goes to show
that you don’t resign relievers to multiyear contracts unless they have proven they can be one of those shutdown relievers for more than half a season
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jul 29, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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Yeah
We had a 8 million dollar option that Mo picked up as interim GM.
by outraged on
Jul 29, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
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Yeah, you're right.
Mo is responsible for picking up the Izzy option. My bad.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 29, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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Umm
I think Mo actually negotiated with Franklin, he was the assistant GM. He made lots of the moves people blame Jocketty for. The question is how much input did he have.
by StLHugo on
Jul 29, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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Whoah now
Mo didn’t “make lots of moves”—nobody has the authority to make a move except the GM. If a player is signed under a GM, it means they approved the contract. Jocketty is ultimately responsible for the bad contracts signed under him because he approved them. Maybe someone else below him cooked them up, but it’s his job to review them and make the final decision (presumably in tandem with ownership). Whether Mo negotiated or not, this one falls squarely on Jock. It was his job to approve good contracts and reject bad ones, regardless of who in the organization came up with them.
by mojowo11 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
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I never said he didnt have approval
but lots of the deals were worked by Mo, people are willing to give him credit for Ludwick but not willing to damn him for his bad moves.
by StLHugo on
Jul 29, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
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I don't agree with your perspective here
Whether the deals were worked by Mo or not, it’s still not his “fault.” Jocketty’s job as GM is to oversee and have the final say. If it’s a bad contract, it’s his job to say no, regardless of whether Mo worked it or whoever.
Now that responsibility falls to Mo. If John Abbamondi works up a poor contract, Mo has to say yes or no. His job is to evaluate the deal. If Mo is on board with a crappy deal, that’s his fault, regardless of who negotiated it. That’s the responsibility to comes with being a GM.
by mojowo11 on
Jul 29, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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Blame both
Yes Walt approved the deal but if Mo also wanted the deal and worked it, why aren’t both to blame? Is your boss to blame for all your bad decisions at work? Just because he approved them? Yes the boss normally takes the fall but that doesn’t mean it was all on him to begin with. All I was getting at was that we can’t act as if Mo had nothing what so ever to do with some of the deals that we rag on Walt for.
by StLHugo on
Jul 29, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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Yes, the boss takes the fall
It’s the boss’ job. His job is to be responsible for approving your decisions. If you go crazy and do something without his approval, sure, that’s on you—but, of course, Mo couldn’t go signing people on his own anyway. But once the boss stamps it with his seal of approval, it’s on him. That’s the burden of being in charge.
I think we have a difference in philosophy, that’s all. Did Mo possibly have something to do with the bad contracts? Possibly. But is he at fault at all? Not really. The GM ultimately approves the contracts, so it’s his call one way or another. Thus, his responsibility, and his “fault.”
by mojowo11 on
Jul 29, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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that fine
Then people need to stop giving credit to Mo for Ludwick.
by Evilfrog on
Jul 29, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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Also
I can’t imagine MO or anyone else is just out there negotiating with players and then walks up to Jock and says “Hey, look what I just did.”
More than likely, Jock told MO (or whoever, are we positive it was MO?) to work on a deal with a player. So, MO does. That’s his job. He didn’t make the decisions, he simply served as a surrogate to Jock more than likely checking with him virtually every step of the way and within the organizations and Jock’s plans.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 29, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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You beat me by like a second.
Booo.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 29, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
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Well, that's possible.
But, like you said, we don’t know how much input he had. Any moves made on a GM’s tenure have to be attributed to the GM. He has the final say in player moves. Whether or not Mozeliak did the actual contract negotiations is irrelevant. The decision to extend Franklin, and any other players, came from the General Manager of the team.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 29, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
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Very True
but we don’t know if Mo talked Walt into it or not. We do know that Mo negotiated it and that Walt signed off on it. But saying that Mo had nothing to do with the move is shortsighted.
by StLHugo on
Jul 29, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
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But
by that logic, you can’t ever hold anyone accountable for anything.
“Well, yeah, it was a bad deal, but I’m pretty sure he got talked into it by somebody else.”
The CEO of a corporation is responsible for the moves his company makes while he is in charge. He is the ultimate authority. Now, you can talk about outside pressures and all that sort of stuff, but it is still his decision. Unless someone underneath him makes a move without his knowledge (and I’m pretty sure that didn’t happen here), the head of the corporation is the guy that makes the moves.
Excusing him because somebody else might have talked him into it doesn’t make sense.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 29, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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I never said Walt wasn't responsible
I was just saying that Mo might share some of it
by StLHugo on
Jul 29, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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One thing for sure. They certainly bought high.
I just wonder if they realized that at the time.
A rather large majority of relievers are inconsistent from year to year. It’s not too good of an idea to give them 3 year contracts…...
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 29, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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Oh, also
Mozeliak didn’t just begin negotiations with Franklin on his own, and then suddenly one day present Jocketty with a contract and go, “Hey, this is a good idea, Walt. Sign here, please.”
The decision to extend Franklin was already made before the negotiations took place. Who made that decision? Well, one has to assume it was the General Manager.
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 29, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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I agree
That is why I said “The question is how much input did he have.” Did Mo want to extend him and talk the front office into it? Or was it all Walt wanting to extend? I am not trying to say that Mo was rogue and did things outside of Walt I was just saying that he had a hand in it as the Assistant GM. It was a very simple statement blow way out of proportion.
by StLHugo on
Jul 29, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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Happy Breakout Game (Hopefully), Joe Mather
The bench bat with damage potential could be Joe Mather. I realize that he was beating up on a AAA pitcher, which he has done a lot of this year. Nonetheless, last night’s bomb was an absolute blast and he threw in a double and single to boot. Of course, there were also two strikeouts. Still, his K% in AAA was 17%, which is far lower than Ankiel’s one year ago. It’ll be interesting to see how he does with regular playing time due to Duncan and Ankiel’s injuries.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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Mather
He seems a lot like Ankiel, in that he absolutely hammers breaking pitches that get left in the zone, but struggles against good breaking stuff and fastballs away. I guess there are certain guys who make a living like that though (think Alfonso Soriano). It would be nice to see him finally get it at the big league level, considering the outfield injuries that we’re dealing with. It would also make him a nice trading chip in the offseason when the club is looking for a starter or middle infielder.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 29, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
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But can't Mather have a little time to SEE if he can make the adjustments?
I mean, geez, he’s not hitting .300 with 29 bombs after 60 or so at bats? No soup for you!
I like his game. I’d like to see a little more before they say bye-bye. I’d like to see a little more before they claim he’s no good.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 29, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
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Just because you trade someone does not mean you think he is no good...
by ICbirdfan on
Jul 29, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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I wasn't claiming he was no good
Just saying that he seems a lot like Ankiel from the right handed side of the plate.
If he gets progressively better with more playing time, it frees us up to trade him or someone else in the outfield. Right now he doesn’t have a lot of value, but if he has a good couple of months, he could be a valuable commodity for a team looking for a corner outfielder—the Cardinals have plenty at this point.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 29, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
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I also don't understand
how Comparing someone to Ankiel is saying he isn’t good.
Ankiel has a .890 OPS in 348 ABs. I mean, he can improve his strike outs a bit. He isn’t Pujols. But I won’t call him bad.
by Evilfrog on
Jul 29, 2008 12:03 PM EDT
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Nice post LB
Well written – I’m not a statty typeguy, but you broke it down for me dawg. I’d like to see the chart for Wagonmakers curveball when he comes back…
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by bukowski on
Jul 29, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
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It'll take a month to get half of that data...
...what with him as the future closer and all. Wait, is Isringhausen the closer now? I thought it was Franklin…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
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Izzy?
I’m having a nightmare, right? I’m going to wake up and find out that we lost to the Braves in the 9th inning but Izzy is not the closer. Right? Right?
by birdjam on
Jul 29, 2008 9:29 AM EDT
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Izzy has been throwing better than Franklin.....
So I have no problems with this decision. Stick Izzy back there, keep trying to get another bullpen arm, and decide on Waino in two weeks.
by SoonerfanTU on
Jul 29, 2008 9:30 AM EDT
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Right on...
but at the same time, he’s willing to pull Franklin from the job when he’s struggling, will he be willing to pull Izzy from the job again? He worries about egos so much that I don’t know if he will…
Go Crazy Folks, Go Crazy!!!
by joshbaz12 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:36 AM EDT
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"No problems" with this decision?
Seriously? I can buy the argument that he has been throwing better than Franklin (damning him with faint praise,) but you don’t have any problems with Izzy as the closer?
by birdjam on
Jul 29, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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I'm buying into that decision
Mostly because we just have a total lack of better options at this point in the season. We’re certainly not trading for a closer, a LOOGY seems more likely and, after Villone’s performance last night and Flores’ performance on Sunday, a much more needed boost to the pen. I’d like to see Springer close, but it’s been pointed out that he can’t pitch on back to back days, so then it’s closer by committee again, which hasn’t worked. I think McClellan is too valuable in the middle innings as a guy who can some in situationally AND go more 5-6 outs in an appearance. Franklin just doesn’t have the mentality and needs to be a set-up guy, and we all know that Thompson is cut out for long relief. So that leaves Izzy and gives him a chance to hit that 300 save milestone.
I think you have to give him another shot out there and just hope he can find his cut fastball that’s pretty well eluded him all season. It has looked decent the last few appearances.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 29, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
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ok, ive had enough
will someone tell me what LOOGY is so that i can understand whats going on? ... its been used a whole lot the past month.
by krippledmaster on
Jul 29, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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Lefty One Out GuY
Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?
by the red baron on
Jul 29, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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"Lefty One-Out Guy"
It’s a lefty reliever that you bring in situationally to retire a lefthanded hitting opponent.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
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I had to ask the same thing
a few weeks ago.
There’s a long, detailed history of the LOOGY at Hardball Times, if you’re interested. Multi-parts. (Not assuming you would be that interested. Just sayin’.) Tony LaRussa is one of the managers who have made the most use of lefty one-out guys.
by Youneverknow on
Jul 29, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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TLR is basically given credit for pioneering the role
How much that is true, I’m not sure. But there it is.
by mojowo11 on
Jul 29, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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Villone...
did what he is SUPPOSED to do last night…come in and get out the lefties…he struck out both Norton and Blanco. Unfortunately Tony left him in to face the RH Escobar (basehit), SH Texiera (double) and RH Prado (walk) who hit for Ring. It’s obvious to all of us that Villone should never pitch TO a RH’d batter…I’m okay with him pitching around one if there’s another lefty to follow, but righties hit him like batting practice.
by cardzfanbub on
Jul 29, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
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Im all for it.
Im putting down my Mulderaid and picking up an Izzy Colada. This can only result in a posistive compared to franklin closing. Best case senario is Izzy is effective. Worst case puts Wainwright as the closer. Im not down for that.
by Evilfrog on
Jul 29, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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If you like Izzy Coladas
Getting caught in the rain
....of bombs to the bleachers
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on
Jul 29, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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I'm not much into ground balls
I am into blown saves
by Ray Lankford on
Jul 29, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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We don't have any other options right now.....
Who else do you stick there? Springer doesn’t have the durability to close at this point in his career. Kmac has struggled recently, and probably doesn’t need that type of role his first year. Perez isn’t ready. It’s Izzy or Franklin until we trade for somebody, or Waino is ready.
by SoonerfanTU on
Jul 29, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
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Mix-and-Match of Springer and McClellan
That would be my strategy. Slide Franklin and Izzy into their roles and bring Perez up to share some of those opportunities as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on
Jul 29, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
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Or how about thinking outside the box?
Isn’t that TLR’s alleged specialty? How about removing the pressure/stigma of being “THE closer” by using different guys depending on the situation?
by birdjam on
Jul 29, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
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How does that solve the problem exactly?
So instead of blowing leads in the 9th, we’ll blow them in the 7th or 8th?
I have a feeling this is going to sort itself out. I really think Izzy is going to get some pretty decent results this time around, even if it isn’t always pretty.
by SoonerfanTU on
Jul 29, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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Lower leverage situations
Look, I’d be trying to dump the two of them, don’t get me wrong. But, that’s not going to happen. If you use Izzy, in particular, in lower leverage situations-i.e., with less threatening batters coming up-you can make him somewhat useful. The same with Franklin. Given their ages and mileage, they need a lesser load, and moving them down in the pecking order while also using them more selectively would give us a chance to at least reap some benefit from their salaries and roster spots. It would also give us a better opportunity to win, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 29, 2008 10:43 AM EDT

