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Holliday and Fuentes per Gammons on BBTN

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/41107-cardinals-and-rockies-potential-trade-partners

 

Gammons says that the Cardinals and Rockies have been "Burning up the Phone lines over Holliday and Fuentes" A deal could happen within the next few days. Chips from our side include Garcia,Mcclellan,Anderson,Todd, Robinso, and Craig. NO RASMUS! Those are the potential players that Gammons said could be dealt. Not Neccesarily all of them. We shall see if the lines continue to sizzle as the deadline closes.

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Sorry, dude, you need to re-read the piece.

The quote from Gammons said only that the cards and rockies were “burning up the phone lines.” The 20-year-old college student and huge cardinals fan who wrote the article supplied the names in question, based on nothing, apparently, other than his own say so.

The quote from Gammons in fact concludes, “We did not discuss the circumstances surrounding the trade, other than the Cardinals want Holliday and Fuentes.” Meaning, the Rockies did not say what they wanted in return. Okay, the Cards want Holliday and Fuentes. And the Rockies are not changing the phone number to Coors Field. This is not news.

by tom s. on Jul 27, 2008 8:04 PM EDT   0 recs

I dissagree with ya tom,

I think this is news. It is the first time that we have heard the the cards are actively pursuing Holliday. We all knew about fuentes but I think most of us had ruled out Holliday because of asking price but from Gammons quote it is obvious that the cards are in hot pursuit of both.

Read it agin,
“I [Gammons] have spoken to the Colorado Rockies, and the St. Louis Cardinals are aggressively seeking a trade for [Matt] Holliday and [Brian] Fuentes,” Gammons said on the show. “The Rockies expect it to happen before the July 31 trade deadline. We did not discuss the circumstances surrounding the trade, other than the Cardinals want Holliday and Fuentes.”

They want both, not just fuentes. I do understand what your saying about the names involved but the key thing is that the cards have made their wants known and the rockies think something can be done befor the trade deadline.

Either way though this could all just fall through, but lets hope for the best

The wind in here just shifted 360 degrees!!!
-Mike Shannon

by cardsphan04 on Jul 27, 2008 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

all true

except that the poster put together the names of the pieces that they’d be trading, not Gammons. If Gammons had said something about which players were involved, THAT would be news. He didn’t, the poster just extrapolates what he think would have to be traded to get that deal done. That’s no better than the 500+ posts on the catch all thread on VEB…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 28, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm pretty sure before this season started,

you predicted they’d be in last.

by baw on Jul 27, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

which has wahat to do with blowing up the farm system

(although I don’t think that the above names constitute blowing up the farm system)

by azruavatar on Jul 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

because now he's predicting third place

so since he got wrong last place, and they’re in third, math says that predicting third place equals first.

At least that’s how I read it . . .

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 27, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If this happens I would be absolutely ecstatic

Matt Holliday is in the top 15 of hitters in all major league baseball! And I agree with azruavatar that this does not at all constitute blowing up the farm system

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 28, 2008 12:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

Garcia
McClellan
Anderson
Todd
Robinson
Craig

That’s our top 3 pitching prospects, our highly thought of catching prospect and some above average throw ins.

The farm system would be drastically depleted.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2008 12:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd make the trade

Six for two is a lot … I think the Cards could have made a better offer than the Yankees for Nady and Marte and I would have preferred those two players over the Rockies two players … but St. Louis is in a position to compete for a playoff spot this year … who knows for sure what kind of position the team will be in the next two years … Holliday & Fuentes fill two major needs the Cardinals have had for quite some time—one more big bat for the heart of the batting lineup and a decent lefty out of the bullpen … how many more years are we going to wait to fill those needs? ... Albert isn’t ageless … the time to fill those holes is now, imho.

by RedbirdattheBeach on Jul 28, 2008 1:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nobody ALL six players

At least thats what I have gathered. All 6 wouldnt be selling the farm, but still stupid.

by bornin82 on Jul 28, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

I don’t think it’d be all 6, but even if it is we have Holliday for this year and next ($13.5m in ‘09). Even if we lose Fuentes to FA next year, I like our chances in ‘09 with Holliday and Pujols in the middle of the lineup.

I’d rather spin a Shumaker or Mather, but Anderson is going to blocked by Yadi anyway, might as well get an MVP for him.

by roebirds on Jul 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The farm system would only be depleted...

for a couple of years. If we don’t re-sign Fuentes and offer arb, we would get 2 draft picks due to him being a Type-A free agent. We could have 3 picks before the 2nd round even started. I can’t argue with those odds especially the way we have drafted in recent years. If it wouldn’t be for that opportunity, then I would say to not do it at all.

by Jumsy on Jul 28, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Loshe

Maybe two picks for Loshe as well! Our 2009 draft is going to be awesome baby. Sorry to digress but even if Loshe walks (or is dragged by Boras) he’ll pay a huge dividend for our modest investment. How about last season with a league minimum investment in Troy Percival who returned Lance Lynn in the sandwich … just an awesome return on investment.

by jjray on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Where is the prediction thread

I’m pretty sure I predicted they’d be in 3rd. But maybe I am remembering it wrong.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2008 11:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry, but

the pendulum swings in this place are just wacky. i didn’t mean to single you out, but it’s like unbridled, negativity-ridden criticism one day, then “aw shucks, we did win the world series” the next.

i wasn’t talking about the prediction thread, but i appreciate you finding that. it just feels like so many people are ready to throw this team in the garbage at every opportunity: cesar signing, miles reacquisition, any significant injury, etc., etc., etc.

by baw on Jul 28, 2008 1:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The best would be no Holiday because he'd be too much....

... and the schedule is just not in our favor. The brewers have the Nats and 9 games with the Bucs and an inordinate number of games with sub 500 teams. The Cubs’ offense is too consistent. The Cubs are simply better unless Harden goes down and Marmol’s arm falls off, making him accompany Wood on the DL for a prolonged amount of time.
But then, the ND receiver looked better today than anything we have to offer lately.
Seriously, Garcia and Todd trades would be a mistake.
Holliday away from Colorado isn’t as gret as you think

by greenwichvillagecard on Jul 27, 2008 8:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Well....

Harden hasn’t went down yet, but a case could be made for the fact that Marmol’s arm is barely hanging on

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

are you freaking kidding me?

Garcia,Mcclellan,Anderson,Todd, Robinso, and Craig, for two mediocre players? MO better not be this stupid. if he is, the folks who called him Walt Jr last winter were right.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 27, 2008 8:52 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm not saying I support the trade...

but Fuentes and Holliday are definitely better than “mediocre.” Holliday has an OBP of .431 and a SLG of .577, both of which are very good. Fuentes has an ERA of 3.15 and a WHIP of 1.125, which isn’t stellar, but it’s definitely above average. Also, if you read the fanpost, it specifically states that not necessarily all of those players would be traded.

"I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it."- Rogers Hornsby

by redbirds8233 on Jul 27, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Check Holliday's numbers when not in Coors:

Home: .365/.429/.664
Away: .277/.343/.449

It’s all Coors effect.

by craig3410 on Jul 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it could also be an "at home" effect.

A lot of players simply play better in their home ballpark. Coors really doesn’t affect avg. that much. If he had a new home ballpark, he may be able to turn it around.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm
Coors really doesn’t affect avg. that much.

Look at the Rockies home/road team splits over the last few years.

2006 home/road: .294/.247
2007 home/road: .298/.261
2008 homeroad: .292/.245

by jdub176 on Jul 27, 2008 10:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

going back a little further

(and damn, I missed an apostrophe in my last post…)

2005: .300/.232
2004: .303/.245
2003: .294/.239

by jdub176 on Jul 27, 2008 10:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

nvm then. But if you really want to play devil’s advocate to the “he’s only good at home theory” you could say it has something to do with that the whole team plays better at home . . . just saying. But yeah, good point.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 27, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't buy the "he's only good at home theory"

See my post below – last year he had an .860 OPS on the road. In ‘06 it was around .820. He’s just not as good on the road, but he’s still pretty good. And he plays better at home (as his team does) because Coors is an extreme hitter’s park. Not as extreme as when Larry Walker was putting up ridiculous numbers, but it’s significant nonetheless.

by jdub176 on Jul 27, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

right

and a .277 hitter still isn’t that bad, especially with the run production he puts in. Plus, I think he’d adjust to Busch.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 27, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's hard to say

His run production will depend on who gets on base in front of him. For argument’s sake, I think he’d settle in around .280/.365/.480 with the Cardinals, but who knows.

by jdub176 on Jul 27, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and for the record

While this is fun to talk about and everything, I don’t think trading for Holliday would be a great idea. He’d be good, but he’s going to be expensive, and I imagine we’d have to give up too much.

by jdub176 on Jul 27, 2008 11:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

psh

holliday would be awful away from the accommodating lighting stanchions at coors field!

by baw on Jul 28, 2008 1:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

again

hilarious.

Have you ever played the game? Apparently not, because playing in a place 81 times a year make a big difference vs. playing at a place 4-12 times a year. Disagree all you want, but you’re still wrong. And now you’re just being a jackass to boot.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 28, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

dude, lighten up.

no one said players NEVER hit better at home. i understand they do.

but “dimensions” does not mean… will not mean… and never HAS meant… “how the light comes off the lighting stanchions.” i just cannot get over the way you keep insisting that’s true. in the meantime, it’s becoming a running joke.

by baw on Jul 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I play the game

And I still disagree with you. What now? We seem to have reached an impasse. The “you don’t play the game” argument is a bad one, and falls apart completely when someone who plays, like myself, disagrees with you.

This is really one of the finer shows of internet stubbornness I’ve ever seen. There might be an argument to be made regarding people hitting better at home, but your reasoning (i.e. the “dimensions”) was pretty terrible. You flat-out refuse to so much as admit you used poor wording and to clarify, and instead INSIST on trying to twist the word to include lighting conditions and possibly wind, temperature, and the location of the moon in the sky.

P.S. For someone throwing out the “jackass” label, you’re not exactly Mr. Smiles-and-Rainbows. Beware berating the kettle, pot.

by mojowo11 on Jul 28, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whoa whoa whoa there

mojowo. You have to have played the game, retired, and then landed a job with ESPN to know the real truth. Like Joe Morgan, Rob Dibble, John Kruk, and Harold Reynolds – true bastions of baseball knowledge.

by jdub176 on Jul 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+3,000,000

Those guys is smart at base ball game. They know stuff, like, how it is bad to clog up the bases and how being clutch is the reason that A-Rod and his .3-million EQA is an AWFUL baseball player and Derek Jeter uses his clutchiness and his steely eyes to will the Yankees to all the wins they get. Also, you forgot Steve Phillips, who comes up with these great trade ideas like ManRam, Papi, Paps, Ellsbury, the Freedom Walk, the USS Constitution, Yawkey Way and all Yawkey Way-affiliated products, and the deed for Fenway for Johan Santana, Justin Morneau, and 2 dozen homer-hankies. He are smart at base ball sport too…

BTW, all snarkiness aside, it’s pretty sad that Karl Ravech usually knows the most baseball and has the most common sense on that show. He’s the host. Sad.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 28, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

While an .860 OPS

sounds good, it would still be behind Ankiel, Ludwick, Glaus, and Pujols. Not really very impressive for a left fielder.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jul 29, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly, thanks for those numbers i couldn't find them

Hollidays hits well at home, but he’s average on the road. in case you didnt notice, Busch III isnt exactly a hitters park. he’s not the answer in the 4 hole for the Cards. i dont know who is, but its not him.

Lboros, who lives in Rockies country says Fuentes isn’t an upgrade for our pen. thats all i need to hear. let some one else give up top prospects for him.

after Kmac’s performance vs Wright, Delgado & Beltran late Saturday night, i can’t believe MO would even consider trading him. you can’t let that kid get away. hell he should be the Cards de facto closer right now.

maybe i’m valuing Anderson more than i am, but i think he should bring a lot all on his own. him & garcia should bring what ever MO wants all by themselves. right?

this is just a bad trade. i’m not a fan. MO should walk away.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 27, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

really?

I mean, Larry is a great writer, is very knowledgeable, and I totally respect his opinion, but you’re not going to do any other research before writing Fuentes off? Fuentes is definitely an upgrade in our pen. He’s not going to be lights out and might not be worth the price, but he’s definitely an upgrade in my opinion.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 27, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when it comes to the Rocks asking price, hell to the yes i'm talking Larry's word for it

now if their price comes way down, then he’s an upgrade. but for what they are asking for, he’s not an upgrade because he hurts the future. get my point?

like most on here i follow all teams, not just the Cards. and i’ve seen Fuentes pitch this season & i dont like what i see. now Larry’s seen a lot more of him than i have, so when he says pass, it fortifies my thinking as well. so yes, without running the numbers, no thanks, i’ll pass

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 27, 2008 11:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

can you quantify that statement?
i’ve seen Fuentes pitch this season & i dont like what i see

What don’t you like? I’m not saying we should trade for him, but you’ve got to expand on your point a little!

by jdub176 on Jul 27, 2008 11:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't say it's all the "Coors effect"

Last year his OPS was .860 on the road, which isn’t chopped liver by any means.

by jdub176 on Jul 27, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There are currently 21 MLB regular OFs

with OPS > .860 including our own Ryan Ludwick and Rick Ankiel. Holliday would be, at best, the fifth best offensive player on the team.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jul 29, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

I would not want to trade for Holliday. I was just saying that he’s better than average….some in this thread have said that he’s mediocre.

But I also think it’s hard to say he’d be the fifth best offensive player on the team, at best.

by jdub176 on Jul 29, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

couple things to keep in mind wrt "Coors Effect"

it works both ways, for three reasons.

First, the NL West has 2 hitter friendly parks and 3 pitcher friendly parks; when you remove coors from the “away” park for Rockies players, it really hurts their home/road split vis a vis the rest of the NL west, especially, but really all of the NL.

Second, when a player who put up “coors effect” numbers is moved from Coors as a home park to another park, his home/road splits regress significantly, both home and away. Take a look at Kaz Matsui’s splits as an example of this. The altitude makes it easier to hit at coors and harder to hit away from coors (jdub’s data below backs this up). It’s also easier to hit for average at coors because of the park dimensions. There have been several THT and BP studies about this (I’m on a dial-up right now so I can’t really take the time to link to them, but they are there if you look). My guess is that the air at Coors causes breaking balls to move differently, which causes minuscule imbalances in CO players away from home.

Third, players almost ALWAYS hit better at home. MLB as a whole in ‘08 has a 44 point OPS split between home and away.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 28, 2008 12:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

I think Holliday would be a .900+ OPS player at Busch III, quite an upgrade over who we currently have manning LF, and another good right handed batter in the order.

I still think that the price may be too high, considering we’d probably be stuck with someone like Miles, Kennedy, or Izturis leading off, I’m not sure that our run expectancy goes up all that much really. I’d like to see someone do an analysis removing Skip from the lineup and substituting Holliday in the 4 hole.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 28, 2008 12:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cardinals top four run producers

all hit for higher OPS on the road than at Busch III. I don’t think there are much data to support it, but I can’t think of any significant players who left a hitter-friendly home park and didn’t experience a significant decline in production.

Sleepy, what happens to the OPS spread if you filter out all the best hitters’ park and the best pitchers’ parks to look at the middle of the data? When you have players in Coors and Arlington putting up massive differences between home and road splits does that distort the numbers, or do the Petcos and the Safecos make up for it?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jul 29, 2008 11:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah there is an obvious difference...

but it’s not like .277/.343/.449 is bad. whether or not those stats are worth some of our top prospects is very debatable, but you can’t deny that Holliday would be a nice to have hitting behind Pujols

"I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it."- Rogers Hornsby

by redbirds8233 on Jul 28, 2008 12:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't think it's very debatable

If the best we could expect out of Holliday is .277/.343/.449, then there’s no way he’s worth it. Rasmus projects to put up numbers like that very soon with better defense…and he’ll be cheap.

I think Holliday would be better than that, but that doesn’t mean he’s worth it. Not that it’ll happen anyway.

by jdub176 on Jul 28, 2008 12:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It could be that we have night and day

because the sun revolves around the earth.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jul 29, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Conjecture

But really even if those names were real (and probably several are), I could live with all being traded save McClellan. I really think Kyle has a future as a starter with this team and not just an average back of the rotation guy. I’d hate to see him blossom elsewhere.

by paposse on Jul 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT   0 recs

For those of you AGAINST such a trade.....

What exactly is going to happen during the offseason that will make us better next year? Sure, we’ll have Carp and Waino all year, hopefully, but Izzy and Franklin appear to be shot. Will we still not need a closer? We gonna pony up big dollars for one in FA? Doubtful. Same with a bat. We’ll need one or two again next year. Not many options, especially at SS/2B, and the ones worth persuing will want BIG dollars.

If we aren’t going to offer big pay days to FA’s, we’re going to have to make some moves. So long as we don’t completely gut the system, and we keep drafting/evaluating well, we’ll still get/have the depth that some of you fawn over.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 27, 2008 9:22 PM EDT   0 recs

but

fuentes will be a , so why give prospects for him if we are shooting at 09? what we need is one MI, preferably SS, who can hit a lick.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 27, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wtf

fuentes will be a FA

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 27, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is the bottom line

being better next year? How many years of being good are we willing to sacrifice to be better “next year?” This trade will be for 2 months of Fuentes and 1 year and 2 months of Holliday. How much should we give up to go for it this year and next?

Now, both will be worth 2 draft picks when they decline arbitration but it’s a huge step backward from AAA prospects to draft picks. I’m not completely opposed to this trade but I’m not going to sell out the farm to try and win twice either.

by chuckb on Jul 27, 2008 11:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Fuentes is going to walk for sure.....

then I agree. Why couldn’t why sign him though? Surely management has an idea if he’d be interested in talking, or what he’ll be asking for.

My point isn’t just about Fuentes and Holliday though. It’s about trading in general. We don’t have anybody save Rasmus that has a chance to “upgrade” us anywhere next season. Where are the other upgrades going to come from? Perez, Worrell, Motte…..all solid arms, but the first two have proven to not quite be ready yet.

Again, how do we get better next year, if it isn’t by trade?

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 27, 2008 11:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm with Soonerfan

I have to believe if Cards trade for Fuentes, St. Louis is pretty confident he will be in a St. Louis uniform beyond this season … Holliday I can see perhaps not being retained after next year and that wouldn’t be the end of the world … much would depend on how good Rasmus really proves to be and the contract situations of Ankiel and the outfielders … I’m all in for competing for a shot at the playoffs this year and next and worry about if St. Louis will be better than .500 in 2010 somewhere between a month before the 2009 trade deadline and end of 2010 spring training … most of us have been pining for another legit bat since the days before Walt tried to sell Cardinals Nation on the JuanE signing.

by RedbirdattheBeach on Jul 28, 2008 1:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is Fuentes a Type A free agent?

If you are trading the farm for him, maybe it is best to let him walk for the 2 first round picks.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 28, 2008 2:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

++++++++++1

exactly sooner…..couldn’t have put it better. Who has the list of FA’s next year?

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by Section8 on Jul 28, 2008 8:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we could sign him next year

but he’ll be 33 next month and someone will pay him to be a closer. Should that be the Cardinals? Absolutely not. That means, what, 3 years and $25 or so million for a 33 year old left-handed reliever. I’d rather have the 2 draft picks and the $25 million to spend on players who will help us for all 3 seasons. I don’t have a lot of confidence in 35 and 36 year old relievers—at least not $8M + confidence in them. Would you pay Russ Springer $8 M per season? He’s a nice reliever but, come on. Perez, maybe Motte, and maybe Perdomo, not to mention McClellan could all be worked into the setup man/closer’s role and we could pay all 4 of them, combined, about half of what we’d pay Fuentes to do worse.

by chuckb on Jul 28, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I am all for making a trade

under the right circumstances. If we can acquire players that fill a real need and will be available beyond this year, and we can get those players at a fair price, then let’s do it. I don’t think that makes me a “fawner”.

Holliday doesn’t really fill a need and there is at least some reason to believe he will be a lesser player away from Coors. Fuentes will be gone after two months. Besides, those two players will not solve a significant share of our problems.

I don’t have any illusions that the Cardinals will actually spend big money in free agency, but at least the money will be there to be spent.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jul 29, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This was already posted in the main blog post after Reyes was traded

it’s pure speculation.

Rockies aren’t out of the race, they are the hottest team in the NL West, they will NOT be selling. I’ll guarantee you that.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 27, 2008 9:58 PM EDT   0 recs

not about holliday/fuentes

but mlbtraderumors mentions the very very very unlikely scenario of the cardinals acquiring roy halladay for a package of players with rasmus as the centerpiece.

halladay is apparently unhappy in toronto, but i don’t see this ever happening…ever

by barry whiteteeth on Jul 27, 2008 10:03 PM EDT   0 recs

If that deal is on the table, I hope that Mo says yes without hesitation

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 27, 2008 10:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs