Rapid Hope Loss
All through this season, I have tried my level best to avoid getting too high or too low with this team. In seasons past, I've lived and died with this team, one hundred and sixty two times a year. There was no middle ground, every night would find me in paroxysms of joy or in a black fury, raging at the cruel fate that threw an eighth inning double play upon all of us, killing a promising rally.
This year, though, I've largely managed to avoid those highs and lows. Part of it, of course, is simply the fact that I'm older. Part of it is the fact that I now cover the team, and my perspective has had to become more analytical, more measured. Part of it is the fact that I lost something very precious this year. Lost baseball games simply don't hurt nearly as much when you're forced to take stock of real life. Perspective is a harsh lesson to learn. And, finally, part of it is simply that I expected less from this team. I saw a team in transition and didn't see a summer full of delicious heartbreak ahead. Instead I saw a chance to watch an evolution take place, to see the future come into focus.
For all of those reasons, and others I'm sure, I haven't stressed over this season. Mostly, I've simply followed the team and been able to enjoy the games, both the good and the bad, for exactly what they are. I think, after years of following the game, I may have finally found the proper equilibrium for my own personal fandom.
Unfortunately, here on the morning of the 26th of July, even my new zen approach to the Cardinals isn't enough to dull the cut of this past week's events.
We all felt pretty good about ourselves on Monday morning, didn't we? We knew the bullpen was shaky, yes, but it seemed like a middling concern. When you can bash teams' heads in the way the Cards did to the San Diego nine, what is there to complain about? Two games out of first place, still holding on to the wild card, still holding off that rowdy bunch from Milwaukee. The destiny of the St. Louis Cardinals belonged to the St. Louis Cardinals alone. Life was good.
And how do we feel now? Five losses in a row. Four to those same Brewers we were so successfully holding off. The opening game of the series against a Metropolitans club that just recently passed up the Cardinals in the wild card race. Of the four losses in the Milwaukee series, the Cardinals led three of them heading into the seventh inning. The bats have completely disappeared; the Cardinals have managed to scrape out exactly eleven runs in the five losses.
Well, I don't know about you, but I don't feel particularly hopeful.
See, somewhere along the line, this team managed to sucker me once again. They somehow drew me back in to hanging on every out, every single pitch. I've found myself yelling at the television when things go badly in spite of myself. This past week, I even found myself considering calling in to one of the sports talk shows while I was in the car, just to vent my frustrations with the way the Cardinals are letting this season slip away.
So much for perspective, huh?
Well, no more. I am reestablishing my perspective as of this second. This is a transition year. Just because the Cubs, who literally make me nauseous, are leading the division, it's no reason to get all reactionary and upset. It's not as it's the Cardinals' job to somehow keep the Cubs out of the postseason, no matter how much my friend Luke would like to think it is. We've seen a whole lot of exciting baseball this season, and I, for one, am extremely grateful for it. I'll watch the rest of these games, celebrate the victories, and let the losses just roll right off. It's going to be great.
You know, the sad thing is, even I don't believe myself.
We've got five days left until the trade deadline. At this point, I've written pages upon pages of opinions and analysis of all the possible moves that the Cardinals could make to try and shore up the various weak points of the team. So, instead of going into depth again, I thought I would make a list of the moves that still interest me. With the way the race appears to be going (ie, against the Cardinals), I'm more convinced than ever that they need to avoid trying to make a big splash to prop up this year's team. 2009 and beyond are just too valuable to me to see those years compromised to make a run at it this year.
With that in mind, there are still a handful of players that I would still be interested in seeing the Cardinals try to swing a deal for. You'll notice they're all more investment type players, rather than quick help guys. I think the time has come to switch focus a bit.
Huston Street, RHP, Oakland- Yes, I know. The last time the Cards traded for an A's pitcher didn't work out so well. Still, though, Street is one of the better young closers in the game, and has a favourable contract situation. Bringing him in would immediately help establish a long term presence at the back of the bullpen. He and Chris Perez could form a lockdown combination for years to come. There have been some concerns about him this year, but as long as you could be sure he was healthy, I wouldn't be overly worried about his current numbers.
Brandon Wood, SS, Angels- Wood was one of the most highly touted prospects in the game of baseball just a year or two ago. His stock has fallen slightly since then, but he still has a ton of upside. More than anything, he just seems to be blocked on the Angels. Mike Scioscia seems to like guys like Erick Aybar and Maicer Izturis on the field, and Wood is on the outside looking in. He's probably never going to hit for a high average, but the power is very real, and he's proven his ability to handle short.
Brent Lillibridge, SS, Atlanta- Another blocked prospect, Lillibridge is sort of like a much higher upside version of Brendan Ryan. He has outstanding athleticism in the field and excellent speed on the bases. He doesn't offer a ton of power projection, but should hit plenty to be a very useful player, considering the value of his glove.
Arthur Rhodes, LHP, Seattle- Rhodes would be more of a rental player, but I can't imagine he would cost much to acquire, and he's been excellent this season. I'm sure you could resign him for next year too, if you wanted. As a low cost bullpen upgrade, I think Rhodes might be the best bet still on the market.
J. Brent Cox, RHP, Yankees- A righthanded reliever in the Yankees' system, Cox has moved up quickly this year since coming back from Tommy John surgery and has pitched well at each level. Currently at Triple A, he hasn't been great since getting there, but is still making his way back. He succeeded Huston Street as Texas' closer, and Cox has largely fulfilled that same role to this point. He profiles more as a seventh or eighth inning setup reliever in the majors, but he would still represent a very valuable addition. I'm not sure what the Yankees would want for someone like this, but it would be worth the phone call to find out, I'm sure.
Jeremy Sowers, LHP, Cleveland- I wrote about Sowers earlier in the year, and I still find him very interesting. He was absolutely dominant at Triple A this year, but hasn't been able to translate that same success to the majors. With CC Sabathia no longer in Cleveland, the Indians may be looking to hold on to their pitchers a bit more than they were before, but I still think they would be willing to move Sowers. He would be a nice buy low candidate, and I still think he could figure it out eventually.
I'm sure there are others, but those are some names that I would at least be interested in checking on. I would also hope that the Cards are willing to look at any reasonable offers for Kyle Lohse, Looper, and Pineiro. Obviously you can't move all three of them, but I think you could move any two of them and still field a representative rotation with Carpenter on his way back soon.
Unfortunately, with Duncan on the DL, we can't move him. Thus, I think you probably have to hold on to all the outfielders you currently have.
I'll be back later with a game thread. In order to try and turn our luck around, I'll make it a haiku today, I promise.
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Best way I have found to avoid the ups and downs
highs and lows, is to spread your fandom around. I have been following the A’s because the types of players they field is fascinating; and the White Sox because they are my husband’s favorite team-he spent his high school years in the Chicago area. When it feels unbearable, I lock in on one of those teams for awhile. You don’t have to turn in your fan card to do this…...just distract yourself with another team-at least for an evening.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 26, 2008 10:13 AM EDT
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cheapening the lows
cheapens the highs. I don’t think that stratergy would work for me.
by Evilfrog on
Jul 26, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
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yeah, thats not how i work in sports
i can root for other teams…but if you arent one of mine, the cards, dolphins, gators, magic, blues sometimes….its not even close
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
Jul 26, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
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After years of trying to explain
to my non-sports fan wife why I get so bummed when my team loses, I finally found a good analogy.
It’s emotional wagering. You put your emotions on the table and let ‘em ride. If they win, you get a nice payoff. If you lose, you’re in the poor house (emotionally speaking) for awhile. If you don’t place a big bet, sure, the loses are more palatable, but you also don’t get the big “all in” rush and potentially huge payout when they DO pull it off.
In other words, it wouldn’t work for me either.
by punditmoi on
Jul 26, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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Wouldn't work for me
Don’t get me wrong, I watch other baseball games, mainly the Rangers because I enjoy the young and entertaining offense they put out every night. But that doesn’t ever replace the way I feel for the cardinals. If the cardinals are playing I am watching. And, more than likely, I am wearing my heart on my sleeve. It was upsetting last night because the Cardinals actually looked defeated. Which made me feel defeated. They have been so fun to watch mainly because of there ability to bounce back. Last night, maybe because of the piss poor starter we threw out there (not to knock Boggs, I just don’t think he is MLB ready), we just didn’t have any bounce to our step. No one looked like the Cardinals we saw for the first 100 games.
Win or lose the attitude is what has got me going this year. That is one of the fun things about rebuilding, so many young/unproven players trying to make a splash. I hope these guys realize what they have in front of them, It is an oppurtunity to defy the odds. They were not suppose to be here and are not supposed to make the playoffs. I don’t know if they will, but if they play with the attitude we all saw in the first 100 games it can be, and will be a fun 57 games. If the experience extreme lows so will I, but if they experience the extreme high you better believe I will be there for the ride.
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on
Jul 26, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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+1
this first half is a succinct summation of our ride this season
It will be interesting to see what Moz does over the next five days.
A ‘white flag trade’ would be difficult to stomach given where we were when the week started.
Not sure what he’ll be able to land and not have to deal someone I’d regret departing—Rasmus, Anderson, Todd, Additon, or Garcia
by vances law on
Jul 26, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
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You forgot one
Chris Carpenter; RHP, Memphis Carp with 5 2/3 innings using 78 pitches(52 strikes.). Walked 1 Struck out 5. Allowed 2 Runs on 4 hits. (only 1 extra base hit and it was a double.) 10-2 ground/fly balls out. His next rehab start could be for the big club with the way boggs pitches Friday.
by Evilfrog on
Jul 26, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
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As much as I want Carpt back (NH represent!)
please oh please don’t rush him back before he is ready just because we had a bad week and are in need of a fresh starter. We waited too long for him to come back healthy to blow it (coughMuldercough) now.
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
by CurtainCall on
Jul 26, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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I agree
and i don’t think 5 innings from a starter is really what this team needs right now.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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If you think about it, what does Carp have to prove against AAA hitters?
If he’s going to pitch, he’s has the same possibility of reinjuring his arm in the Bigs as he does for Memphis…so, does the decision to let Carp pitch for the big club in his next outing make more sense than throwing a Boggs or Parisi or Garcia out there to get pounded & still not make it through 5 innings & still wearing out the BP? IMO it makes all the sense in the world, even if it takes him a couple of starts to get things right…which, again, IMO gives the team a better chance of winning than pitching one of the other 3 or whoever else they may decide to put out there.
This all depends on how things go the next few games & if the losses keep piling up, the powers that be may want to completely change the timeline for Carp if this team falls out of the race…but while there’s still a chance, the team cannot afford anymore appearances by the other 3. With the exception of a couple of their starts, its been bad. Bottom line is, that Carp most likely wil not be worse than any of the other options…so let him take the hill.
by buzzburton33 on
Jul 26, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
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Only 1 walk
but he also hit two batters, which leads me to believe his control is still not quite MLB caliber. I think he’ll need at least 2 more rehab starts, unfortunately.
by punditmoi on
Jul 26, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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Well, maybe it's MLB caliber
but certainly not Carpenter caliber.
by punditmoi on
Jul 26, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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A crappy verison of Carpenter is still our #3 starter
and when he gets better…
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Jul 26, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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Has anyone heard how he's feeling today?
I know he didn’t feel any ill effects from his AA start, but I’m curious if the additional 20 pitches or so he threw last night had the same result.
by ClonedCard on
Jul 26, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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Deadline
I’d be curious to see a breakdown of, should we keep losing over the next five days, what we could SELL to make the team better. Not a ton of supreme value, I’m sure, but Lohse would seem to be a useful chip. I’m as excited about Carpenter coming back as anyone, but I don’t think he and Wagonmaker sould delude us into trading Bryan Anderson, Pete Kozma or better for a George Sherrill or Huston Street.
I’ve enjoyed this season immensely; I’m just not all that surprised by the last five days. I’ll continue to watch and savor the victories, but I think we’re all now a little more realistic about our playoff chances with two clearly superior teams in our own division and two or three better teams in the East (and we’ll see about Atlanta in a few days). This year’s playoffs might be a bitter pill—an NL playoffs of 1.) the Jo-se, Jo-se, Jo-se Mets 2.) the Cubs 3.) the shirt-untucking Brewers and 4.) some putrid, undeserving team from the West (probably featuring Dan Haren sniff) will be full of unsavory thoughts.
Uh, go Rays?
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck
by itsalemmon1019 on
Jul 26, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
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It's times like these when an Ace pitcher would come in handy
Prospects are good. Especially when they aren't rushed.
by CraveCase on
Jul 26, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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No question it's been a tough week.
I can’t say I’m optimistic either. It may just be the reality that we can’t obtain an impact reliever without grossly overpaying and, even if we did, it wouldn’t solve the problem of keeping our offense awake after the third inning. Franklin is clearly not up to the kind of responsibility that’s been laid on him. Barring a trade the first option I would try is to put Izzy back in the closer’s slot for a sink or swim trial, hope that he floats and that the rest of the pen falls in line behind him. If he sinks then let the Chris Perez era begin prematurely or not . Even a random dominant save would bolster the team’s confidence. Anyway, I’ve considered this a gravy season all along. It’s been a blast being this unexpectedly close and, if this team scrounges up enough character to stay in it then….pass that gravy back here.
by easy on
Jul 26, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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About Izzy
he kinda did have a shot at the closer’s role recently (albeit, abbreviated), and he pretty much sank. Or at the very least, was taking on a good amount of water.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
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"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
by iron duke75 on
Jul 26, 2008 5:43 PM EDT
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Perspective
I look on it as a marathon. All I want is a competitive ball club that is fun to watch. I know that there are ups and downs in the season. I remember 1964. I have personally seen 8 world series appearances and 4 world championships. I have seen more than my fair share of winning baseball. I shouldn’t be greedy. I know that even if you get to the playoffs, you only have 1 chance in 8 of winning a world championship, something that seems to go right on by the local Cubs fans.
Intellectually, I know all this. Emotionally, it’s killing me. I hate seeing the Cubs and Brewers make all the big moves, while the Cards sit on the sidelines. But what can you do. It’s baseball.
by O'Fallon Park on
Jul 26, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
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About your list
Color me fairly unimpressed (but maybe thats the idea when your trying to acquire potential). Outside of Street, I don’t see much of value. I’ll admit, I don’t know much about Cox and Sowers, so I’ll refrain from making comments. Then again, if those guys have any talent at all, I don’t see the Yankees or Indians getting rid of them outside of a deal that would land something impactful for them.
The main reason for my comment is in regards to Brandon Wood. Once again, I don’t know a whole hell of a lot about him other than I’ve seen his name constantly for the past couple of years on lists like Baseball America and Project Prospect, etc. Guess I never really dug too much on him and just assumed he was semi-stud material. Anyway, from your description, he reminds me of Juan Uribe. Good glvoe, real good power and no average. Really? I mean, I live in Chicago and get to see Juan Uribe on a fairly regular basis. Anything that is anybit similiar to Uribe turns my stomach.
Hopefully, I’m wrong about him, for Brandon Woods’ sake.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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gettin better
one thing about the trade deadline is that many feel the pressure to do “something” and i agree that rentals for this year won’t get us in the playoffs. doesn’t mean, though, that we should not try to take advantage of the situation. as stated above, there are several teams with better personnel in the nl, and we are unlikely to beat enough of them to make the playoffs this year. without substantial improvement in several areas, though, the same will be true in 09. so, looking at 09, maybe now is a better time to try to find a permanent solution to the non-offensive MI situation than winter. for me the hardest and best thing to do would be to see what lohse would bring in terms of someone who could shore up the MI for the next several years. it seems the system doesn’t have any bright stars in this area. kozma and vasquez get the most attention, but they are years off. lohse has done very well for us and i’d like to see him on the team next year (more so than injury prone guys like street or burnett), but realistically, not likely to happen unless he has a parting with boras. last couple of years were not outstanding for him and no guarantee he’d be a type A FA. if not, letting him just walk at the end of the year would be a bad decision. trade him and if you must, try to resign him this winter. but we need a ss who can shore up the offense for the next several years, and i see the best way to get one is by trade (young and cheap). next best, would be to pay a lot more for guys who are wearing out their welcome in places like chicago and detroit. and i’d add zobrist to the young, desirable ss hunt.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jul 26, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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Agreed
You don’t raise the white flag at this point but you do float the idea to certain teams that you would listen on Lohse, Piniero and Looper. I would also float the idea that I would listen on Ludwick, Glaus, Springer, Anderson and Franklin as well.
Not that I am raising the white flag but Mr. Moz needs to ensure that he keeps focused on the long term future. If we keep up the losing and are ~ 6 games out of the central and wild card by the trade deadline we need to be prepared to pull the trigger and bite the bullet. Again, not a definite but we should be posturing similarly to the Braves and the Tigers.
On a random note, I’d love to sign Mr. Renteria in the offseason (I know he is having a tough year but the SS market will be tough as always and I have to believe he is an upgrade from Mr. Cesar Izturis….)
by Lawless on
Jul 26, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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Wood
I am totally with you on Wood as well. If you could somehow pry Wood and Sean Rodriguez from the Angels for Bryan Anderson and some other non-elite prospects or pieces (like Springer) I would jump on that….
by Lawless on
Jul 26, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
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Wood
I don’t know much about Wood but the idea of looking for a solid blocked SS prospect with some sort of pop in his bat intrigues me. We are starting to stockpile tradeable spare pieces. Makes sense to trade some of these off to fill gaps in the club’s system … middle infield and loogy being the most glaring. On another note, I want the Cards to resign Loshe. Having next season’s rotation headlined by Carpenter, Wainwright and Loshe excites me. Loshe is the best #3 we’ve had in some time. Too bad he’s our #1 as I type. The money should be there in the payroll as long as we stay out of the FA market this winter.
by jjray on
Jul 26, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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I like two additional shortstops
Jhonny Peralta of the Indians and Sean Rodriguez of the Angels. Peralta is signed to a really low contract, so getting him would have to involve one of our top prospects. Rodriguez is seemingly blocked like Wood, although they’re talking about moving him to the outfield. I doubt we get either, though.
by rockin the red on
Jul 26, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
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Your trade targets confound me...
Are we trying to improve this years club or planning for ‘09? Obviously Street might help next year as well, but Arthur Rhodes really only helps this season, and Sowers, Lillibridge, Cox, and Wood really only help next season, hopefully.
I’m not near as bullish on Sowers as most—I see a guy who’s very similar to Mike Maroth at this point in his career, and we all know how well that worked out for the Cardinals last season.
I also have questions about Brandon Wood. The Angels are pretty good evaluators of talent, and their farm system has developed a lot of good players for their club, but not so many good players being sent to other clubs from what I can remember. Seems to me that if they’re willing to give up on a guy, he’s probably not MLB caliber and they’ve decided he’s not going to help them.
I agree that if we aren’t going to upgrade this year’s club we do need to look at shopping some pieces that have some market value before the deadline.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 26, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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Prospects?
I have been looking for an appropriate thread for this rant, this one semi-fits so here goes. :)
To some extent I agree that our homegrown prospects need to stay in the organization and be given a chance to come to their fruition, but at what cost? I have seen people hedge about trading Rasmus for anyone short of Jesus himself, and it makes me think back to a time when A. Reyes had a similar high rating.
And how did that turn out for us? One fluke WS start and a horrible season later, our former bluechip trading piece has been severely downgraded and is behind such folks as Mitchell Boggs in the Cardinals rotation options.
I am not saying we dump all our prospects once they have some value, but I wish people would keep an open mind when talking about certain players. For example I personally think a Rasmus for Holliday trade would be great for the Card’s. But some on the board are avidly against it. In my opinion, the odds of Rasmus turning in the kind of numbers that Holliday has in the major leagues aren’t that great.
Sidenote: Who the heck is Jason Motte and how does he have 79k’s in 49 innings at Memphis??
by bdmcleod on
Jul 26, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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Former catcher
reincarnated as a pitcher. He has an excellent fastball (95-97), but nothing else terribly effective (working on a slider and, supposedly, a change up, I believe, but they’re both below average). If he could develop even one decent secondary pitch, he could be a very good MLB reliever. Here’s a nice write up at FutureRedbirds about a recent game witnessed by one of the contributors:
by punditmoi on
Jul 26, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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One bad week doesn't ruin a season...
But they need to right the ship, and fast. I agree that Carp really doesn’t need to prove anything at AAA anymore, but bringing him up to pitch five innings only taxes an already burned out bullpen. But at this point, if he gives the club the best chance of winning, get him up here. Carp’s presence on the mound can be just as psychologically valuable as his physical skills are.
As to the potential trade prospects, I’ve pretty much resigned myself to the facct that there won’t be a big move by Mo, which I’m okay with. If they do make a move, please, God, not Arthur Rhodes.
"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."
by MilCardFan on
Jul 26, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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Rasmus plays for free for three yrs,
Holiday will be looking for a 4 year deal next year at 11 or 12 million a yr. Lets see.
650 mill stadium, 650 million village project, team financed. It started this year. It ends, lets see, when you become the Minnesota Twin. Its the new business plan. Its a little like the Iraq war. Mo is the white house press secretary. Enjoy! You have been taken over by big business, not billionaire enthusiast’s like Cuban or Moreno or Steinbrenner. Look where Atlanta ended after Turner left.
I think this might be it for Socrates La Rusa too. They are letting him choke on the hemlock, (Chris D and Izzy). Its illogical, Lohse for the rest of the year for 3 mill is a deal, getting rid of the sign posts of downsize change, priceless. If Mets sweep, Lohse will be traded in a flood of tears. Poor kid. He likes St. Louis. Healthy arms are so hard to come by.
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 26, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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i am so afraid
that you are completely right: big business, no enthusiasm, La Russa sick of it etc.
I don’t want the team to make a bad trade. But if you read (or listen) between the lines it sounds like the desire to improve the team is only strong enough to include the sort of trades the opposition would never agree to. This organization doesn’t want more salary. And they certainly don’t want to risk moving a prospect that can play on the cheap. And it makes me a sad gerbil to hear all this “trade Lohse, get prospects, can’t match up w/ cubs stuff.” Maybe we should continue to compete.
I wish they would sell the team.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on
Jul 26, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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Ah, you're back.......
I think you might be right about some of the things. We’ll see.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 26, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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love the hemlock bit, westcoast
Missed your idiosyncratic spelling….............and ellipses. I have been thinking the ballpark village issue will tell us something I don’t want to believe about ownership as well. Hope you’re wrong about that & Lohse, fear you’re right.
by random on
Jul 26, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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Call me a fool
but I’m getting my hopes up that Tyler Greene has figured his swing out. He’s been tearing the cover off the ball for the past month and has a reputation as a slick defensive shortstop. Agoniste’s 2007 SFR data puts him above Chin Hung-lu, Wood, Lillibridge, Lowrie, and the vast majority of SS prospects defensively.
If he finishes the year at Memphis and has a big Arizona Fall League season, he’d have to at least enter the picture for the 2009 Cardinals. It’d be very exciting to have an good-glove, good-power shortstop for the league minimum next year. Even better if he could take a walk now and againI bet that’d be helped if he were batting 7th in front of a pitcher for the Cardinals.
by liam on
Jul 26, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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I hope you are right...
I see Greene as a Yin to a Miles/Hoffpauir/Barden Yang. Better Power, Defense, Speed – less OBP, Contact, “LaRussaness”.... If we could have a SS who had a line that was in the neighborhood of 330 OBP and 440 SLG that would sure beat what we have now…. I recognize that is a tall order from Greene but I see it as in the realm of possibility. Here is hoping that this isn’t just a hot streak to be followed by an equally cool streak…
by Lawless on
Jul 26, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
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You're a fool
Hey! You asked!
But seriously, folks… I’m with you on getting my hopes up. Maybe it’s just been so long since we’ve had a really good MIF in the farm system that I’m getting desperate, but, seeing Greene hit that well at AA makes me tingle.
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Jul 26, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
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I am with you on this one too
I am just waiting for his move to AAA. I just hope I am not getting too excited about him.
But hey, this is the team that seems to do well with minor leaguers that don’t really hit their prime until the mid-twenties anyway. Why can’t Greene be the latest added to that list?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
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Jul 26, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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Meh
In the midst of this streak he’s still 4 BB/27 Ks. Color me skeptical.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
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Jul 26, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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dang
thats alot
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Jul 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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I can relate
Getting the MLB “Extra Innings” package this year gave me the opporutnity, for the first time in my life, to see almost all the games of the two teams I root for: the Cardinals and The Red Sox. My heart is way more with the Cards because it goes back for decades – my roots, so to speak. Because my expectations for Boston were very high (coupled with an extremely obnoxious Yankees fan next door), bad days were very bad days. The Cards, however, I could enjoy for all nine innings every night. My expectations for them were low, so it didn’t kill me if they lost.The more they won, however, the more importance I put on their games. I tried to keep telling myself, “without a closer, this team isn’t going anywhere regardless, so try not to get upset tonight.” Well, most of us are competitors and losing – especially in the last inning or two – bums us out, so it’s only natural most of us are upset these days, no matter what we tell ourselves. When hopes are dashed, it’s tough to take.
I guess my points, Red Baron, are simply: 1 – Your reactions are normal and human; thanks for sharing; 2 – If we don’t get a dependable closer, we will never contend; it’s that simple. I like what you said about Street, and getting someone in now to give us a head start on 2009. I don’t think sitting back and doing nothing is going to do anything but leave us further behind. Fears about “mortgaging the farm” are a little dramatic; we don’t need to do that – just grab us a closer and a perhaps another pitcher (if Loshe leaves). That would be a good start!
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Jul 26, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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This is a nice problem to have...
For years we bitched because the Cards farm system was relatively unproductive, and what prospects we had, we traded for veterans to help the big club win and they did just that…now, slowly, the cupboard is being restocked…2-3-4 years ago, the best prospects were pitchers and they were in the low minors…now many of those guys are close to being ready to help the big club, and we are seeing some position players on the cusp for a change…but the thing to remember is that all these guys cannot play for St Louis, some of them are going to have to go…it looks like we may have surplus at OF, C and perhaps 3B, as well as P…the club has done a good job at setting up operations in the Dominican and Venezuela, so we may soon have even more prospects to either bring up or move out…somebody pointed out a couple weeks ago, we would never have an all homegrown roster anyway, you will always be signing veteran free agents…and as Joe Strauss said in one of his chats a few weeks ago, ”...stockpiling prospects means nothing if they are not used to help the big club”...so I don’t thing it’s an either/or situation…don’t be stupid in taking on bad contracts, but don’t fall so in love with your own prospects that you become afraid to move them, and then you have a bunch of Anthony Reyes clogging up the system.
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Jul 26, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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Trading w/Oakland
When you’re discussing an Oakland pitcher and you imply that you’re not concerned about his health being the cause of a recent dropoff in numbers… Makes me shudder.
by Callaway Kid on
Jul 26, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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a. reyes
has been traded. apparently.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on
Jul 26, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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so says john hadley
no word on return or trade partner yet.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on
Jul 26, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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link?
do you have a link for this? I’d be interested in seeing it.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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I have no idea how accurate he is
but without any info on who we traded with/for, I dont believe it; not yet. If we did trade him, I hope that its for someone that will help us now. Im not for mortaging the future to win now, but ARey wasnt in the Cards future plans (IMO), so, to me, it doesnt hurt us to ship him out.
fingers crossed for a solid field/good stick MIF or a serviceable pitcher; either LOOGY or SP. I dont think he would bring either of the aforementioned by himself, so now I curious as to who else is involved.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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Wow
That’s a lot of prospects, but a pretty good return IMHO.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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calling bogus
Timmy K was just on Espn radio and doesnt see them trading hollidy he is the face of the franchise. I fit happens great but Im not getting my hopes up for anyone other than Garcia..and thats not hope its more of the let down garbage rental..
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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That
is a TON of prospects. Our outfield is CROWDED and here (it seems) we go adding another outfielder. Lets see: Dunc the Yunger, Studwick, Hobbs, Skippy, Barton, Holliday (presumably). That doesnt spell good news for a couple OFers. What to do, what to do?
That said; I like the idea of having Holliday in the lineup and Fuentes in the pen (smile on face). Also if what that report is saying, Barmes could be part of the deal, I could handle that.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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maybe
got excess dodgers MI? they got blake today
alternative, exchange of has was pitchers, we get d-train?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jul 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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I hope not
I dont want another pitcher from DET. The Mike Maroth trade still resonates even though I dont think we gave up much to get him.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
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small blessings
an end to a tragic usage and handling of a once great prospect.
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Jul 26, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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ditto.
Let’s only hope the whole organization has learned something….
Lesson 1: Never, ever, be quoted in the press saying the equivalent of you think a player is a piece of crap.
Lesson 2: You might want to take a serious look at how Mr. Duncan and Mr. LaRussa handle the young pitchers. I happen to think they hurt Reyes more than they helped him.
Lesson 3: Tony and his doghouse, and never being able to get out of it-you might want to talk to him about that. It has caused way too many problems with way too many players for way too long.
The folks over at scout.com have been running an “Anthony Reyes, You Are Going to Miss Me When I’m Gone” contest, and if it’s Cleveland and if it’s today some fellow wins $250.00 for guessing right where he’s traded. Reyes is still on the Memphis roster, so it all might be crap…...
Thank you to the folks that give me a place to vent…...I only hope it’s true that he’s traded somewhere.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 26, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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there is no verification
that, trade is even gonna happen yet…
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Rotoworld says it's AA relief prospect Luis Perdomo
and it is the Cleveland Indians. Rotoworld thinks the Indians got the better of the deal.
I am ecstatic that they finally have traded him.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 26, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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skinned again it seems
perdomo is a pro for 6 years and only in AA.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jul 26, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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I agree - if it's true, it seems like we really should have been able to do
better than that even with the whole “damaged goods” vibe around Reyes
by BTown Birds fan on
Jul 26, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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Just reported on the cubs game as well.
Reyes for Perdomo.
Well Jill, you got your wish. Mo traded your boy for “anything”.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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It's not on me.......I said he should have been traded after his good spring
When you don’t make the rotation after that the writing is on the wall. Unfortunately, all the other teams look at the writing on the wall. They know what’s going on. He would have gotten more in April than he gets in July, than he gets in November. The longer he waits, the lower his value drops. They effed up by hanging on to him for so long.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 26, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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That ought to help this year
no money involved.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 26, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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I think Cleveland sent some cash our way.
Favorable money involved…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
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Jul 26, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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Jill, the other lesson I would add it...
4.) do a better job of “selling high” like the A’s do…different organizational strategy, I know, but my feeling is that they should have pulled the trigger on dealing him after the ‘06 Series…of course hindsight is what it is, but if they had been more aggressive n in making changes in the winter of ‘06-07, it would have been better for the organization, or at least I think so.
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Jul 26, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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Hope it's not
this rumored trade: Fuentes and Holliday for (deep breath) Jess Todd or Clay Mortenson, Kyle McClellan or Jaime Garcia, (deep breath) Bryan Anderson, Anthony Reyes, Fernando Salas, (deep breath) Shane Robinson and Allen Craig. (deep breath)...
by liam on
Jul 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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As I've said time and time again...
...we have to give something up to get anyone useful.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Guess
I’m just not all that excited about Holliday or Fuentes.
It doesn’t sound like all that many players are involved, though.
by liam on
Jul 26, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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see above
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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Okay, maybe it isn't so bad
Give up:
Mortenson
Anderson
Robinson
Craig
Garcia
Get:
Holliday
Fuentes
Barmes
Dump:
Izturis
Trade (probably):
Schumaker
& get back:
??
by Red in Chicago on
Jul 26, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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WOW that's a lot of players
Half the farm system for Fuentes & Holliday. The Barmes addition with a DFA for Izturis makes it a bit more interesting. I would keep Todd and McClellan if possible. But then you have to wonder where the next lefthanded starter is coming from. That would certainly shake things up, but how do you plug McClellan’s hole in the bullpen? Sounds like an awful lot to give up.
by Red in Chicago on
Jul 26, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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let's pretend for a moment that the trade happens as it is rumored
I’d like to hear from you all:
1.) does that push us closer to the Cubs and Brewers for this year?
2.) would it hurt us for next year?
3.) what shape would our farm be in at present (‘08 & ‘09, say)
by tbell61 on
Jul 26, 2008 3:58 PM EDT
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I'll bite
1.) I believe it would put us closer, though I dont see it putting us over.
2.) I see it as helping one way, hurting another. Help is a very good lefty in the pen, possibly a good MIF to supplant Iz2, and a slugging OF’er. Hurt is an even more so crowded OF with a couple farm hands banging on the door. No room at the inn for all.
3.) I think this would hurt our farm in the future for sure. That many prospects departing to help us win now, something we did not see as the org’s plan, to have a helping effect on the system.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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3.) should read
*Thats too many prospects… not That many prospects.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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brew crew cracks national media
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/83349
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jul 26, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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LOL!!
"A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while."- Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
by CurtainCall on
Jul 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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That is riotous
If you’ve ever been to the park and witnessed the racing sausages, you know they’re talking about.
by Red in Chicago on
Jul 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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Though the last
week has been tough, I’m still fine with this team. Their offensive slump can’t last forever and maybe putting Wainer in the bullpen while Carp goes right back to the rotation (or vice-versa?) could solve many of our pitching woes. It aint over yet, folks. My expectations for this year were so low that the fact we are still within spitting distance of first place is incredibly exciting. If we fall out of contention, so be it. We have nothing to prove to other clubs or their fans. We’ll either come back this year or the next or the next. This “win now” mentality was fine in the 02-06 seasons, and it paid off in another World Championship. 08 is a time to calm down, back off, and let the dice fall where they may. Rebuilding is a tough but necessary process. The dividends will pay off in 09, 10, and 11. THEN I’ll be back to WIN NOW mode. As for now, enjoy the ride they’ve given us so far—it’s been a helluva lot more fun than anybody expected. And keep your eyes on the future prize. We’ll be back. The cliche about a season being a marathon and not a sprint is also true of the rise and fall and rise and fall of teams that are regular playoff contenders. At least when the Cardinals say “wait till next year” there’s a real reason to believe it.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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good post
and i like the fact that u mentioned the expectations issue, and the season is not over. It seems many bought into a great frist few months and forgot the holes in the team..when those started to show more it seems the new breed of cards fans as I call them lose site very quickly of the whole picture.
This team has doen great and a collapse would be hard to swallow but i think its great how well they have all played, and i love it when you can prove doubters wrong..
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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Tigers in 3!
thats the proving I Like!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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Reyes dealt to tribe
for RHP Luis Perdomo according to rotoworld.
Any opinions? I might just watch game 1 on DVD right now.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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haha
not the rockies?
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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perdomo has a good k/ip
ratio, but he’s been in the system for 6 years and is only at AA. makes you wonder what they see.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jul 26, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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He's only 24
but still…..
Does anyone know anything about his velo? If he throws 100 I’ll be a little more enthused.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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Carolina League Mid-Season All-Star
I’m reaching for anything I can find.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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More rotoworld
The 24-year-old can throw in the mid-90s and has an above average slider
A power setup guy might be worth it for someone who was losing velocity/command as fast as Reyes.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on
Jul 26, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Disappointing
If that’s the trade, then that is just very disappointing to me.
by saladdays on
Jul 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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He had to go in the next week
pretty much…unless they wanted to sign him for another year. This was his last option season.
by Red in Chicago on
Jul 26, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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no one would ever
be happy with what became of poor A-Rey. Hope he does well in clevland, but something tells me this debate will rage on for a bit.
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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color me
disappointed too.
I would have liked to have seen something else coming our way as, on the surface, this does nothing to help our already ailing team.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 26, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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true
it’s to avoid this saga going on another yr.
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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maybe he's someone that Colorado wanted instead of Reyes
in that whole big blockbuster thingy?
Stretching? Yeah…
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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u really are looking for the silver lining huh?
i doubt that rockie deal happens..heard timmy K say that Holliday probably stays put.
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by punchinjudy on
Jul 26, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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The real silver lining would be if
Rich Harden could go 5 innings today and not really help the cubs win while his bullpen gives the game away…...........again.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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Smile. Mr. Duncan is very happy......
Mr. LaRussa is very happy…..and I bet Mr. Reyes is very happy.
I think they are lucky to get anything at all for him. So they did get another minor leaguer. His value was reduced to that anyway for all kinds of reasons.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Well, I suppose that's a pretty good outcome then
as keeping LaRussa and Duncan happy are the keys to having a team that will win next year. Follow my logic:
1. Upset LaRussa means Duncan leaves
2. Duncan leaves means scrap-heap approach to rotation-building no longer operates.
3. Team has to spend larger $$$ for non-scrap heap pitchers.
4. Team has fewer $$$ to spend on middle-infielders, etc.
5. LaRussa leaves anyway.
6. Pujols leaves because the next manager doesn’t get along with him as well. (Okay, that’s a stretch, but getting along with Albert has to be the top priority for any new manager.)
by Red in Chicago on
Jul 26, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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I hear what you are saying, Red,
but all of us have to get used to the fact that sooner or later, TLR/Dunc are gonna leave…he’s only signed through ‘09 anyway…what it seems this team is building is for ‘09 AND beyond…I think ultimately, Mozeliak will be happier naming his own manager
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Yeah, I understand
But LaRussa’s imprint is all over this organization. I would rather have him stay two or three more years, then retire, rather than depart next year with the club peaking. I guess you could argue that’s when every coach should leave so the next one has a nicely stocked cupboard. I just think it might take two more years to win the WS again. I would have to have to rely on Jose Oquendo to pull it off.
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hate to rely on Jose Oquendo
to be anything by 3B coach…as much as I like the Secret Weapon.
by Red in Chicago on
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And it saves a bunch of money
they’re bound to lower ticket prices. Hotdog give aways…..MMmmmm
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 26, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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this is getting old real quick
find somewhere else to lambaste the owners with random snark
by azruavatar on
Jul 26, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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You seemed to be informed avatar
Can you list the Cardinal owners for me? Not the DeWhitted’s. The partners.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 26, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Can you?
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
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Jul 26, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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I believe there is only one partner
besides DeWitt. Anyway, the current ownership group is a hell of a lot more committed than the previous one.
by Red in Chicago on
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Fred Hanser, William DeWitt Jr. , Andrew Baur.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jul 26, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
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thankyou 426
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 26, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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He is the number 1.
there are apparently 17 partners Red.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 26, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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No, I don't know.
Who has a billion dollars to finance all of these projects. The economy is wrong for that. I actually know the answers to that rhetorical beauty of a question. Sorry, sometimes the foundation dictates the logic of trivialities, like “Baseball operations”.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
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Jul 26, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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I'm not sure the point of the question
but I am sure I don’t care. If you want to piss and moan about the money DeWitt spends try and be creative or make it relevant. This shtick of whiny snark about money is wearing very thin on my nerves. It adds nothing to the conversation and it’s obviously an antagonistic ploy on your part.
If it’s all you are going to post, post it elsewhere.
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Jul 26, 2008 5:19 PM EDT
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Sure
its relevant. All of the moves and trades being made around the league have been about taking on salaries. If the cardinals won’t take on salary, then its about prospects. If its not about prospects, how will they every get any value from a Lohse trade. They have little invested. His value in baseball have tripled their investment in him. The only teams that could be interested in a rental have blown all their prospects. Will they ask for cash. Any players of merit would have salaries. Even with differed salaries will the Cards take on the future contract obligations of an established player. The show and play of money has everything to do with whats happening today.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
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And it saves a bunch of moneythey’re bound to lower ticket prices. Hotdog give aways…..MMmmmm
That’s what you said originally. Nothing near the cogent response you just posted. I don’t disagree with your argument but the way you present it. It comes across as bitter when it’s not laid out in a coherent manner.
Personally, I can understand the reluctance to take on salary by the Cardinals. I can also understand not trading Lohse since he’s a huge stabalizing force in the rotation and also not resigning him since, frankly, he’s never been this good before despite being a good pitcher throughout his career.
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And I'm very happy
that he’s going to the AL where we won’t get burned by him.
Luis Perdomo looks like a pretty good pitcher. Too bad RHRP is kinda one of our farm’s strength.
by liam on
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if this season proves anything though
you can never have enough RP depth
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
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I doubt they care.....
Actually, aside from Reyes himself, and you, I doubt anybody really cares that much.
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Jul 26, 2008 6:26 PM EDT
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very disappointing to me as well
Reyes clearly didn’t get much of a chance this season. it seems like they should have moved him in the offseason as they surely didn’t get much back for him. I always wanted him to work out for the Cards, but obviously it wasn’t happening. hopefully he pulls things together in Cleveland (bleh.)
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on
Jul 26, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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Well, they might have some luck there with Reyes.....
Look where Cliff Lee was last year…..Perhaps they see something they could work with. If they want to say bye-bye to Paul Byrd, he could probably be at least as good as that, maybe even this year, with the chance to be better.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 26, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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I am not disappointed at all
Reyes gets a fresh start and perhaps Perdomo is someone the Cards really like moving forward. Win-win in my book.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jul 26, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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I don't see it that way
- Reyes no longer helps the Cardinals if his promising skills ever come to fruition (still a big “if”, but I think it could happen)
- virtually unknown AA reliever probably doesn’t help the Cardinals either considering his age and place in the organization, unless he’s somehow flipped for a better prospect. if Perdomo ends up being used this year, it changes my outlook, but it seems unlikely that a 24-year old AA player that another team gave up on would get that kind of opportunity.
- the only “win” is probably for Reyes himself.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on
Jul 26, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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I do think after the 1,479 trips to Memphis......
he deserves to win one…...
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jul 26, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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Excellent - Fish just tied the Cubs
by BTown Birds fan on
Jul 26, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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who is Sinatro?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jul 26, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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It was hilarious
bang bang play at first with DeRosa going head first. Kicked up a ton of dirt, replays weren’t a help.
Sinatro threw his helmet down while he ran towards the ump and immediately got tossed (assume it was due to the helmet throw). Then Lou came out and it didn’t take long (and I’m not sure what he said, didn’t look to bad) and he got tossed. Well, that sent him into a downward spiral. The best part was, after he got tossed, he turned to the crew chief and said (perfectably able to lip read on tv), “What the F* is up with this guy!!!!!”
Honestly, Sinatro probably deserved to get tossed and Lou probably said something he shouldn’t have.
In the meantime, the cubs are in their second inning of Carlos Marmol, and are burning up their pen, with one more game against the Fish tomorrow and a 4 game series against the Brewers starting on Monday.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Also
the cubs don’t have a day off until August 7.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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btw
WGN just went frame by frame and he was out.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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Arguing a K?
also, I second matty’s question
by BTown Birds fan on
Jul 26, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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The live boxscore hasn't changed for quite a while
Lou must be getting his money’s worth on this ejection….
by BTown Birds fan on
Jul 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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it was a good 3-5 minutes once he got tossed.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 26, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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I just watched the Gameday video of the play
unfortunately they cut it off before Lou got tossed. He was just starting to work up his outrage. Too bad….
by BTown Birds fan on
Jul 26, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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So
is Kinston their high A and Akron their AA?
by tbell61 on
Jul 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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Quote
Quote from Opposing team Scout
“Luis Perdomo (RHP – Kinston): “That guy, he is interesting. I saw him last year, and he is definitely better this year. He has done some things that are pretty interesting. To me right now he would be a middle reliever guy and not a setup guy or closer. He pounds the zone with the fastball and slider. So goes his slider, so goes his upside. This year the slider has spiked and it is a lot better. He would be a good middle relief guy to come in and wipeout righties with that two-pitch plan. The slider is a swing-and-miss under the bat type pitch, so he can get lefties out too. Because of his velocity, guys will have to amp up on that and then they will get tricked with the slider. Command and control is the key with him. The mentality is there. He really flourishes in that role. He is aggressive and pounds the zone. He is 24 and right at the league average of 23.1, so he is a little old for the league. I like his velocity and slider, which is a swing and miss put away pitch.”“
by FlimtotheFlam on
Jul 26, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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As some of us widely suspected
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/07/la-russa-carpenter-starts-wednesday/
Cubs blow
by Where is that Juan guy on
Jul 26, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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Why cringe?
Doesn’t that mean were playing to win. Go for it Tony. Carp is game. His future is now. Maybe they keep Lohse and we go for it. Cubs lost another. Lets play ball.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 26, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
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I only cringe at how fast he's coming back
I hope he’s really, truthfully ready and not just “Mark Mulder” ready.
by azruavatar on
Jul 26, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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I imagine he won't be terribly sharp
A not terribly sharp Carp probably helps the team more in STL than Memphis.
by liam on
Jul 26, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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I could care less whether he helps the team right now
I don’t want him to re injure himself.
by azruavatar on
Jul 26, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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I don't see
a higher likelihood of him getting injured playing for STL over MEM.
He ought to be on the same pitch count.
by liam on
Jul 27, 2008 1:14 AM EDT
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I think you've just added a new term to the language, AZ...
“Mark Mulder ready”...I dearly hope we don’t have to use that phrase very much in the seasons to come.
by tbell61 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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