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Carp Tonight--a view from the front row

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Greetings everybody! I had the privilege of checking out Carp's start in person. My ticket was original behind the plate, 7th row, but in the 3rd inn i moved up to the front row--gotta love the minor leagues :)

Anyway, I asked what ppl wanted for this post, and the consensus was to make a fanpost for this. So here's my first crack at one and a recap inn by inn:

 

1st:

He was on fire. Struck out the side swinging. All 3 pitches were working, especially the curve, which was just filthy. his fastball was anywhere from 88-92mph, and he was locating it so far as i could tell live.

2nd:

Started w/ another k, but a couple hits followed, including a weak broken bat one. w/ 2 guys on, he walked a guy to load the bases. At this point he got a groundball to 1st, but Phelps was indecisive on the play. He absolutely should have gone home w/ it or at least tried to turn two at 2nd. instead he shuffled his feet and merely tagged the bag. Again, he had plenty of time to throw home. BAD play. 2 down, 1 run in. w/ runners on 2nd and 3rd Carp hit the next batter in the helmet w/ a fastball.

Clearly, he was struggling to locate his fastball and I think he was deliberately focusing on throwing it (this goes along w/ what he said after his last start about his fastball location). Whenever he threw the curveball they were basically fooled. The change up seemed good as well, though he didn't use it very much (I don't think--harder to tell in person for me).

I was encouraged by the fact that he got out of the jam with only one run scoring.

3rd:

The inn started out well enough w/ a harmless pop-up, but that followed by a double and a single, scoring a run---2-0 Portland. After that he hit the next batter (from my view it barely grazed his uniform, tough to tell). So 1st and 2nd w/ one out and a run in already. He got a ground ball but they botched the double play. No harm done though as another grounder ended the inning. Again, to me it seemed like he was focusing on getting his fastball under control.

4th:

He cruised right through this inn w/ a flyout followed by 2 groundouts. He maybe threw 10 pitches or something. It looked like he was back to using his full repertoire.

5th:

This inn might have been even easier inning than the 4th--all grounders to 1st, making it 4 straight to 1st and 5 in row on the ground overall. Clearly he had settled in after his 2nd and 3rd inn issues, which seemed to be fastball related.

6th:

I was surprised to see him still in but he was still sharp. Another groundout and a K before they pull him w/ 2 outs and no on. Obviously he had reached a pre-determined pitch-count. I was annoyed that the scoreboard never once told me how many pitches he had thrown.

Final Line & Summary:

5.2 in; 3h; 1bb; 5k; 2hbp; 3er and a loss (no offense for the 'birds tonight whatsoever)

All in all it was certainly a step in the right direction but I'd say he needs at least one more start to continue refining the location on his fastball. His curveball was ridiculous all night long and his velocity was pretty good. Additionally, it seemed like when he took a little off his fastball he could locate it better, and it topped out at 94 according the stadium gun. His D didn't do him any favors either and it's possible that better play behind him would've resulted in only 1 run allowed. The only hard hit ball was the double. they basically couldn't hit him, it was all about his command of the fastball.

Hope this helps everyone get a feel for how he looked and when we can expect him back. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they start him in Atlanta. I'd rather they didn't but I wouldn't put it past them.

 

cheers

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It's nice to hear some positive news

during such a depressing stretch of the season. Nice post, greatly appreciated.

by iwannarock24 on Jul 26, 2008 1:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

awesome report man

and I love the fact that his curveball is working. The fastball is much easier to get under control than the Curveball is. Also, his ability to throw sharp curves must mean his elbow is feeling healthy.

Once again, thanks for the report.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 26, 2008 1:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MPH

Does anyone know how fast he used to throw before he had surgery?

by CarlCrawford on Jul 26, 2008 1:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong

but I think I remember him topping out around 95 pre-surgery. I think 92-94 was more around the norm though.

by iwannarock24 on Jul 26, 2008 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I remember 91-92 the norm. But like you, I could be wrong.

MLB 08 video game has him throwing at 92. Yes, it’s a video game, but they seem to match pitch speeds to paitchers (from what Ican tell) pretty accurately.

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"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on Jul 26, 2008 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB on the Wii

has him throwing 97. But then again that game sucks on the wii.

by Evilfrog on Jul 26, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that game's not MLB 08

because MLB 08 is made by Sony.

I didn’t even know there was a baseball game for the Wii besides MLB Power Pros and The Bigs. Is it 2k8?

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 26, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

90-94 touching a 95....maybe an andrenalined 96

Never really threw fastballs at 88 (cutter was 86-88) but it’s his 2nd rehab start; he’s still getting arm strength back.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 26, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did he hit tonight? What was the difference between fastball, breaking pitches and change?

Thanks for the post.

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HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 26, 2008 1:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the positive feedback guys (and gals)!

He topped at 94 tonight (i think). He was consistently between 89-92. I got the feeling he was locating better when he took something off though—say 88-89 range. That is pretty hard to tell in game though. It seemed like the lower velocity fb’s were called for strikes more often.

by kalmavet on Jul 26, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

forgot to add the off-speed stuff. the change was around 78-80 and the curve was ~75. iirc a couple curves were even like 67 mph. the curve def had 12-6 break. but i’m not sure how much the change was dancing

by kalmavet on Jul 26, 2008 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's very encouraging

to hear that the curve is back in full force. Hopefully they will let Carp have another tune-up in AAA so he can iron out his control issues with the fastball. Still, 53 of 78 pitches for strikes sounds like his control isn’t too far from where it needs to be.

by iwannarock24 on Jul 26, 2008 2:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Radar Gun

One thing to keep in mind is that the LF gun in Memphis is generally a tick or three slow. So 88 is probably 90 at Busch or on the TV .

He was pretty good overall. The first inning may be the best I’ve ever seen in Memphis.

He gave up some hits, but two (including the double) were regular grounders that missed a glove by a foot or two, and a third was a broken-bat blooper that carries to center for an easy out if the bat doesn’t break. The other hit was one of those liners that’ll always be a hit. He’s still not quite himself, but Carpenter at 90% is the Cardinals’ best pitcher.

If he feels fine in the morning, I’ll be shocked if he’s still in the minors for his next start. That’s a big if, though.

by whopperman on Jul 26, 2008 2:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

couldn't agree more

on your summary of his outing, especially the hits. they were for the most part pretty lucky.

I didn’t know that about the Memphis gun. thanks. You’ve probably been to way more games than me. This was only my 3rd, i just moved here from chicagoland.

haha that first inn was electric. totally worth the price of admission

I agree that if he feels good in the morning he prob gets a start in ATL though i’d still feel better about it if they showed a tad more patience. IMO, this team just isn’t good enough to warrant rushing him back, but i doubt they resist the temptation.

by kalmavet on Jul 26, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you make it to the game, too, Whopperman? Know you (at least used to) live down there.

I’d like to see him come up and pitch in a sorta tandem for his first start in the bigs—keep Boggs, Thompson, or Garcia, if he’s available, around to pitch two or three innings if Carp gets to 80 or so pitches before the sixth, then replace that 13th pitcher with Duncan.

by liam on Jul 26, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the summary!

The nasty curve is especially encouraging, considering he’s coming back from TJ surgery.

Historically, aren’t breaking ball pitches the toughest for post-TJ surgery pitchers to get back? Velocity comes naturally with arm strengthening, right?

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on Jul 26, 2008 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i believe it's a control issue just in general

but i’m not sure which pitch is considered more difficult to locate post-TJ. Velocity is primarily a shoulder issue (hence, Clement hitting 83 on the gun) so Carp is almost back in that regard and should get all his velocity w/ more strengthening.

by kalmavet on Jul 26, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From "The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers"...

which was printed in 2004 (my copy anyway), it mentions Carpenter’s velocity at 91-95 for the four seamer, with The Scouting Notebook from 1998-2002 editions being the source. The ‘03 edition has his four-seamer clocked at 92-93. So I’d say he’s right back where he used to be, save the control issue.

FYI, here’s the list of his pitches:

(1998-2002)

1. Four-Seam Fastball
2. Two-Seam Fastball
3. Curve
4. Circle Change
5. Slider

(2003)

1. Four-Seam Fastball
2. Sweeping Curve
3. Cut Fastball
4. Change

Carp and Wainwright’s returns are fantastic news. I’d say they’re imminent, and although we’ve struggled lately, my guess is that they’ll both help us get right back into the fight, and perhaps atop the division.

by philbobilbo on Jul 26, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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