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Game 105 Open Thread -- July 25, 2008

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St. Louis @ New York


Boggs_mitchell_medium   Ph_460059_medium

  Mitchell Boggs            Mike Pelfrey

 3-1, 6.59                  8-6, 3.81

Boggs made two starts in the minors after being optioned -- a 7 IP, 2 ER outing and a 6IP, 1 ER outing.  Over those 13 innings he struck out 9 and walked 6.  He's another pitcher who isn't quite ready for the majors but the Cardinals have a need and Boggs is getting another chance.  Of course, Boggs last start in the majors was against the Mets when he gave up 10 ER . . . er, pretend I didn't say that. 

My one request for the night is that the Cardinal bats wake up.  Despite the seeming need for pitching (be it a reliever or a starter), the Cardinals scored just 9 runs during the 4 game sweep by the Brewers and I remain firmly in the camp that an upgrade in the lineup would provide greater dividends.

The group think on the last 58 games was 32 wins resulting in an 89-73 record. Surprisingly optimistic given the results of the last 4 games, imo.

I'll be out tonight -- overflow threads at 7:30 and 8:30.  Please, keep it clean in the game thread tonight.

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The Cubs just lost in the ninth to the Marlins 3 – 2. See it happens to them too

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 25, 2008 6:01 PM EDT   0 recs

haha

yeah now they just need to do another dozen or so times and we’ll be even

by kalmavet on Jul 25, 2008 6:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah but

they at least have hope in Woods coming off the DL. We have no hope – none.

Buster Olney just said we lead the league in being ahead of games through 6 or 7 innings. Not surprisingly, he thinks the NL central will come down to bullpens.

by enoscountry on Jul 25, 2008 6:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True but maybe

he’ll have a josh beckett quality blister, not that i’m wishing an injury on any player. There is a chance it won’t heal and will continue to bother him

by kalmavet on Jul 25, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No hope?

We have hope of Wainwright and Carpenter coming back.

We have hope that Mo will make a deal for a Sherrill/Fuentes.

There is plenty of hope.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 6:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sigh

how does Tony expect me to “keep it clean” when he keeps starting Mini Me at SS?

here’s the Cards lineup

Skippy LF
LUD RF
The Mang 1st
Rick CF
Troy 3rd
Yadda C
AK 2nd
Boogs P
Mini Me SS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 6:13 PM EDT   0 recs

like the lineup

except the whole mini me thing at SS. why not start ryan?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Considering.....

Iz and Ryan can’t hit a lick, and we’ve had trouble scoring runs, and Miles plays a better SS than most give him credit for, who exactly would you like to see at SS?

Thats about the best offensive lineup we can play.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 25, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Ryan has disappointed this year. He looks like a career back-up/utility guy to me. I remember Miles being an absolute butcher as SS last year, but he seems better this year. Correct me if I’m wrong.

by kalmavet on Jul 25, 2008 6:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't remember him at SS last year.....

Good or bad. But you are right, he has seemed perfectly fine there this season, and that is all I care about.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 25, 2008 6:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i am hesistant to give Mini Me praise at SS because

i fear the second i do he’ll have a bad game. or 30.

has he been adequate? most definitely. does his starting at SS give us the best chance to win? not when IZ2 & Boog are on the bench. both are far, far superior SS than Mini Me can ever be.

are they hitting right now? no. i’ll give you that. but MIni Me’s recent upturn in O still does not give him the nod over starting at SS. especially when AK is at 2nd. he’s not an offensive weapon. he’s not even close.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 6:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Miles: three errors in one inning vs. SF in'07

Proud sponsor of the Official 2008 StL Cardinal theme song: "Beautiful Day" by U2

by gocards62 on Jul 25, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's fair enough

but AK can’t hit a lick either. so you stick miles at second (his natural position) and slot izturis in at SS (his natural position). still a player who can’t hit a lick, but at least the defense is at its best.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm

i hadn’t thought of it that way, but Kennedy plays a mean 2b and he does get on a base a whole lot more the iz2. Sure he has no power, but i think it’s fair to say he’s a better hitter.

Miles + Kennedy = best chance to get on base, but you’re right it is a downgrade defensively at the more important position

by kalmavet on Jul 25, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you're right about the hitting part

but i think miles and iz2 give us the best chance to win.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

could be could be

really the whole point of this is w/ our Middle Infield something is gonna suck somewhere

by kalmavet on Jul 25, 2008 6:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

there’s always that guarantee.

i’m out. bring home a winner boys.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good lineup

Glad to see Lud batting 2nd/3rd-after-inning-1 and Miles ninth.

Here’s hoping Kennedy gets a timely hit or two to cap off rallies. And that there are rallies.

by liam on Jul 25, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope Mo doesnt feel too much pressure...

And sell off Rasmus or something… that would really suck…......but I have faith in Mo!
Oh and Carp for Closer!!!!!!!

"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe

by Calhoun on Jul 25, 2008 6:16 PM EDT   0 recs

He's not going anywhere

Dewitt said as much, and now with his injury he is not quite as tradeable an asset.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 25, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

His injury might be a good thing then!

"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe

by Calhoun on Jul 25, 2008 6:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i will not be in the thread tonight

i think it’s best if i take a night off from posting on here. i’ve tended to go overboard a lot the past couple of nights. i’ll be back tommorrow.

go cards!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Enjoy the respite

I stopped watching for a bit after they blew the huge lead vs pitt, then they went on to sweep SD, here’s to hoping your break has a similar result :)

by kalmavet on Jul 25, 2008 6:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know

But I do not want to see a run at ANYONE. Not Brian Roberts, not Sherrill, not a closer, not anyone. If we make a run for those guys, we’ll lose a potentially valuable trading chip/ML caliber player in someone like Mortensen or Anderson for a couple months of rent-a-service. I wouldn’t mind if I thought we had a realistic chance at winning it all, but I just don’t see it happening. There are too many variables that we are relying on, including Carpenter coming back. I’m guessing the odds of a legitimate come-back from Carpenter are 50% for the rest of the season, and I just don’t have faith.. this year.
If we can just wait 1-2 more years and not trade the farm, we’re going to have a hell of a team. We have a potential/all-star position players in Molina, Glaus, Rasmus, Pujols, the Walrus and if you have faith in Ludwick, him too. Our bullpen WILL be pretty good.. Perez will be a very dominant reliever (he’s only been in professional ball for 2 years!) and McClellan has proven he can pitch. Garcia and Mortensen are going to be solid MLB pitchers, and by 2010, we are going to have a rock solid rotation.. Potentially Carpenter, Wainwright, Mortensen, Garcia.. and Lohse, Todd, the stud college pitcher we draft in 09, whoever. We’re going to be ALL RIGHT!

by KeepOnRolen on Jul 25, 2008 6:38 PM EDT   0 recs

boy, I envy your patience

I’ll try to keep it mind the next two months! (Would still like to see a deal in the off season, at least for a soild LHP reliever, if possible, and better yet – a dependable closer. Otherwise, I’ll hang in there…..thanks to your optimism.

by ccthemovieman on Jul 25, 2008 6:56 PM EDT   0 recs

I dare him

To throw a ball up in the zone like that to ludwick.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:13 PM EDT   0 recs

just heard the most homer call ever on stamp it fridat on sports bash

XM radio…the cards get Ichiro and Putz and go on to beat the cubs and win the world series…they responded by saying there isn’t enough corn in Iowa to make that happen..funny

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2008 7:14 PM EDT   0 recs

so lefty's hit this guy really well uh?

well Tony, i sure hope so. although i really question why AK is still even on this team.

and LUD gets the first hit. how appropriate.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:14 PM EDT   0 recs

i thought you were an SNY guy?

and no. they have not

dang it Albert

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i dont know

I drone them out.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pujols can't be healthy

There is no way.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Something is wrong for him to look this bad lately

Unless it’s a mini-slump, which happens to everyone

by ccthemovieman on Jul 25, 2008 7:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Did Dan just say that Looper

Was in our Bullpen in 2006?

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Uh, he was?

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

right...its 08 now isn't

long long week at work.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

don't worry

Loopers bullpen performance in 06 was very forgettable

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i still can't remember

one game where he came out of the pen that year. lol.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pelfrey hasn't lost in two months

So we have another tough game tonight

by ccthemovieman on Jul 25, 2008 7:19 PM EDT   0 recs

geesh LUD was out by 5 feet

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Dear TLR:

Our offense is not good enough to run into outs.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:20 PM EDT   0 recs

how is it i just now see that the Yanks & Sawx are playing this weekend?

i haven’t heard word one about it. weird.

i guess we finally know whats more important than them. brett farve.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Consider yourself lucky...

I feel like I’ve heard a fair bit about it, for whatever reason – Papi is back!!! Manny is out!!!! JOBA’s PITCHING!!!!!!

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

happy

Joba Chamberlin DAY!

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

during the 4 game sweep, i stayed far away from espn

so i haven’t heard about it

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thats the move

i’ve been immersed in all things Cardinals all week long

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Xavier Nady most likely just got traded

not sure who to, but he was pulled from the Pirates/Padres game and it doesn’t appear to be injury related.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:26 PM EDT   0 recs

I would doubt it

Cubs don’t really need a corner OF with Fukudome and Soriano healthy again

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Im just saying that

Because it’s the worst case scenario right now. So I figured I’d jinx it.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

how do you know?

what happened? was it during an inning or in between innings?

FSN Pitt is on commercial so thats why i ask

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

speaking of those kinda things

did Jered Weaver get pulled for an injury reason last night after 3 innings? I saw that he was pulled and was wondering who he got traded to

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 25, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

doubt he got traded

since it hasn’t happened already, but I dont know what happened

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he was doing a radio interview with

Rob and kennedy today and some alarm went off in the clubhouse and he had to leave and they were all like “it’s happened” kinda funny they were all laughing..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

his wife had a baby

no trade

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh ok, thanks

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

endy chavez = Cardinal killer

my goodness, that guy never makes an out against us

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:26 PM EDT   0 recs

Man, Boggs really doesn't appear to have any control of his breaking stuff

this isn’t going to be pretty if he doesn’t figure it out

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Garcia

y not call up garcia here instead of Boggs?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT   0 recs

we sent down garcia to call up boggs

gonna need more franklins to get through this one.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 25, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

boggs was called up

incase he was needed in the bullpen against Brewers. Garcia can not come for another 5 days or so.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

got ya

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pujols forgot that there were 2 outs

he was going for the DP

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT   0 recs

y are u always so quick to punce on the big guy?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you seem to point out his flaws

quiet often..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No

that is wrong. He always does that. It is easier to get the force out at 2B throwing to a position player rather than spin and throw to first to a minor league pitcher.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that’s what I was thinking he was doing, too. Keepin’ pressure off the kid n’ all.

by liam on Jul 25, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

why in the world would they build another park right next to shea?

those stupid planes are still going to be flying over. is there really no other spot they could have built a new park?

and they booo Yadda. i love it

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 25, 2008 7:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Booo Yadda sounds like a tropical drink

I’ll have a boooyadda w/ a little umbrella in it, please.

by effin fisk on Jul 25, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs