Game 105 Open Thread -- July 25, 2008
by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintSt. Louis Cardinals at New York Mets, Jul 25, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
Mitchell Boggs Mike Pelfrey
3-1, 6.59 8-6, 3.81
Boggs made two starts in the minors after being optioned -- a 7 IP, 2 ER outing and a 6IP, 1 ER outing. Over those 13 innings he struck out 9 and walked 6. He's another pitcher who isn't quite ready for the majors but the Cardinals have a need and Boggs is getting another chance. Of course, Boggs last start in the majors was against the Mets when he gave up 10 ER . . . er, pretend I didn't say that.
My one request for the night is that the Cardinal bats wake up. Despite the seeming need for pitching (be it a reliever or a starter), the Cardinals scored just 9 runs during the 4 game sweep by the Brewers and I remain firmly in the camp that an upgrade in the lineup would provide greater dividends.
The group think on the last 58 games was 32 wins resulting in an 89-73 record. Surprisingly optimistic given the results of the last 4 games, imo.
I'll be out tonight -- overflow threads at 7:30 and 8:30. Please, keep it clean in the game thread tonight.
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yeah but
they at least have hope in Woods coming off the DL. We have no hope – none.
Buster Olney just said we lead the league in being ahead of games through 6 or 7 innings. Not surprisingly, he thinks the NL central will come down to bullpens.
True but maybe
he’ll have a josh beckett quality blister, not that i’m wishing an injury on any player. There is a chance it won’t heal and will continue to bother him
sigh
how does Tony expect me to “keep it clean” when he keeps starting Mini Me at SS?
here’s the Cards lineup
Skippy LF
LUD RF
The Mang 1st
Rick CF
Troy 3rd
Yadda C
AK 2nd
Boogs P
Mini Me SS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
like the lineup
except the whole mini me thing at SS. why not start ryan?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering.....
Iz and Ryan can’t hit a lick, and we’ve had trouble scoring runs, and Miles plays a better SS than most give him credit for, who exactly would you like to see at SS?
Thats about the best offensive lineup we can play.
Agreed
Ryan has disappointed this year. He looks like a career back-up/utility guy to me. I remember Miles being an absolute butcher as SS last year, but he seems better this year. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I don't remember him at SS last year.....
Good or bad. But you are right, he has seemed perfectly fine there this season, and that is all I care about.
i am hesistant to give Mini Me praise at SS because
i fear the second i do he’ll have a bad game. or 30.
has he been adequate? most definitely. does his starting at SS give us the best chance to win? not when IZ2 & Boog are on the bench. both are far, far superior SS than Mini Me can ever be.
are they hitting right now? no. i’ll give you that. but MIni Me’s recent upturn in O still does not give him the nod over starting at SS. especially when AK is at 2nd. he’s not an offensive weapon. he’s not even close.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Miles: three errors in one inning vs. SF in'07
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that's fair enough
but AK can’t hit a lick either. so you stick miles at second (his natural position) and slot izturis in at SS (his natural position). still a player who can’t hit a lick, but at least the defense is at its best.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
i hadn’t thought of it that way, but Kennedy plays a mean 2b and he does get on a base a whole lot more the iz2. Sure he has no power, but i think it’s fair to say he’s a better hitter.
Miles + Kennedy = best chance to get on base, but you’re right it is a downgrade defensively at the more important position
you're right about the hitting part
but i think miles and iz2 give us the best chance to win.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
could be could be
really the whole point of this is w/ our Middle Infield something is gonna suck somewhere
yeah
there’s always that guarantee.
i’m out. bring home a winner boys.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Good lineup
Glad to see Lud batting 2nd/3rd-after-inning-1 and Miles ninth.
Here’s hoping Kennedy gets a timely hit or two to cap off rallies. And that there are rallies.
I hope Mo doesnt feel too much pressure...
And sell off Rasmus or something… that would really suck…......but I have faith in Mo!
Oh and Carp for Closer!!!!!!!
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
He's not going anywhere
Dewitt said as much, and now with his injury he is not quite as tradeable an asset.
by Red in Chicago on Jul 25, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
His injury might be a good thing then!
"Even when the rain falls, Even when the flood starts rising, Even when the storm comes, I am washed by the water!" -NeedToBreathe
i will not be in the thread tonight
i think it’s best if i take a night off from posting on here. i’ve tended to go overboard a lot the past couple of nights. i’ll be back tommorrow.
go cards!
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2008 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
Enjoy the respite
I stopped watching for a bit after they blew the huge lead vs pitt, then they went on to sweep SD, here’s to hoping your break has a similar result :)
I don't know
But I do not want to see a run at ANYONE. Not Brian Roberts, not Sherrill, not a closer, not anyone. If we make a run for those guys, we’ll lose a potentially valuable trading chip/ML caliber player in someone like Mortensen or Anderson for a couple months of rent-a-service. I wouldn’t mind if I thought we had a realistic chance at winning it all, but I just don’t see it happening. There are too many variables that we are relying on, including Carpenter coming back. I’m guessing the odds of a legitimate come-back from Carpenter are 50% for the rest of the season, and I just don’t have faith.. this year.
If we can just wait 1-2 more years and not trade the farm, we’re going to have a hell of a team. We have a potential/all-star position players in Molina, Glaus, Rasmus, Pujols, the Walrus and if you have faith in Ludwick, him too. Our bullpen WILL be pretty good.. Perez will be a very dominant reliever (he’s only been in professional ball for 2 years!) and McClellan has proven he can pitch. Garcia and Mortensen are going to be solid MLB pitchers, and by 2010, we are going to have a rock solid rotation.. Potentially Carpenter, Wainwright, Mortensen, Garcia.. and Lohse, Todd, the stud college pitcher we draft in 09, whoever. We’re going to be ALL RIGHT!
boy, I envy your patience
I’ll try to keep it mind the next two months! (Would still like to see a deal in the off season, at least for a soild LHP reliever, if possible, and better yet – a dependable closer. Otherwise, I’ll hang in there…..thanks to your optimism.
just heard the most homer call ever on stamp it fridat on sports bash
XM radio…the cards get Ichiro and Putz and go on to beat the cubs and win the world series…they responded by saying there isn’t enough corn in Iowa to make that happen..funny
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
so lefty's hit this guy really well uh?
well Tony, i sure hope so. although i really question why AK is still even on this team.
and LUD gets the first hit. how appropriate.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Have Dan and Al taken a breath
since this game started?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
i thought you were an SNY guy?
and no. they have not
dang it Albert
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I suppose the Memphis game doesn't start until 7ish
couldn’t they have moved it up for us?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Something is wrong for him to look this bad lately
Unless it’s a mini-slump, which happens to everyone
Pelfrey hasn't lost in two months
So we have another tough game tonight
geesh LUD was out by 5 feet
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
how is it i just now see that the Yanks & Sawx are playing this weekend?
i haven’t heard word one about it. weird.
i guess we finally know whats more important than them. brett farve.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Consider yourself lucky...
I feel like I’ve heard a fair bit about it, for whatever reason – Papi is back!!! Manny is out!!!! JOBA’s PITCHING!!!!!!
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
during the 4 game sweep, i stayed far away from espn
so i haven’t heard about it
boo cubs, hooray beer
thats the move
i’ve been immersed in all things Cardinals all week long
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Xavier Nady most likely just got traded
not sure who to, but he was pulled from the Pirates/Padres game and it doesn’t appear to be injury related.
boo cubs, hooray beer
I would doubt it
Cubs don’t really need a corner OF with Fukudome and Soriano healthy again
boo cubs, hooray beer
how do you know?
what happened? was it during an inning or in between innings?
FSN Pitt is on commercial so thats why i ask
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
speaking of those kinda things
did Jered Weaver get pulled for an injury reason last night after 3 innings? I saw that he was pulled and was wondering who he got traded to
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
doubt he got traded
since it hasn’t happened already, but I dont know what happened
boo cubs, hooray beer
he was doing a radio interview with
Rob and kennedy today and some alarm went off in the clubhouse and he had to leave and they were all like “it’s happened” kinda funny they were all laughing..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
his wife had a baby
no trade
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
endy chavez = Cardinal killer
my goodness, that guy never makes an out against us
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Man, Boggs really doesn't appear to have any control of his breaking stuff
this isn’t going to be pretty if he doesn’t figure it out
boo cubs, hooray beer
If nothing else, it looks like lots of bullpen fun tonight
unless Boggs gets a lot more efficient real fast
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Garcia
y not call up garcia here instead of Boggs?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
we sent down garcia to call up boggs
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 25, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
boggs was called up
incase he was needed in the bullpen against Brewers. Garcia can not come for another 5 days or so.
y are u always so quick to punce on the big guy?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
i'm just pointing out that he forgot there were 2 outs, that was hardly pouncing
the guy is fallible, calm down.
boo cubs, hooray beer
you seem to point out his flaws
quiet often..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
No
that is wrong. He always does that. It is easier to get the force out at 2B throwing to a position player rather than spin and throw to first to a minor league pitcher.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
why in the world would they build another park right next to shea?
those stupid planes are still going to be flying over. is there really no other spot they could have built a new park?
and they booo Yadda. i love it
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
it could totally be a new drink thats sweeping accross the Caribbean
Hey mon! give me two Booo Yadda’s!
yeah, i like the sound of that
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
they need a jolt
Hopefully its Carpenter when he comes back
Cubs blow
by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 25, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it me or does Boggs look like Gomer Pile?
Cubs blow
by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 25, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
WELLLLLL GOOOLLLLY
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Who said Nady's wife had a baby?
Did she have twins almost a week apart? She had their son on July 15th.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
FSN Pitt was just talking about it
and said thats why he left the game
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Well, it can't be because she had a baby
because she had it 10 days ago.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, some things up
i’m watching it too
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
They have both been traded
but they don’t know who to.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
thats annoying
they said nady left because of his new baby 15 minutes ago
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Well, they ARE idiots
so, I believe that.
He missed the Colorado series because of his baby.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Marte is saying goodbye
to players on the team as well.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
source?
FSN Pitt is really unwatchable, so i’d love to stop if you could help a brother out
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
and it took long enough to post
sometimes i hate my wireless
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
nicely turned DP
Mini Me just about got dumped trucked by our old friend Fernando.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
For the love of god Boggs, throw strikes
we can’t afford to have our bullpen throw 5 more innings tonight
boo cubs, hooray beer
and after he almost hit the opposing pitcher, i'm starting to agree with them :P
boo cubs, hooray beer
he has no command at all out there, the taxing of the bullpen will continue tonight
boo cubs, hooray beer
Wonderbrad's
well rested.
I’d much prefer it if Boggs would settle in here, though, and pitch a quality game.
well, i suspect not walking the number 8 hitter would help their attitude
it’s just about as big a crime as walking the pitcher himself
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Is it date night in Shea?
cause everything off the bat is going over the fence based on the crowd noises.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
lots or rumors about the pittsburgh trade
being to Tampa for Reid Brignac who isnt in the lineup tonight
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 25, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
pinnstripe alley is almost silent over there
they have no idea i guess
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
they just no responded to my question to them
are most other blogs dead during games? they have like 30 comments and they are playing the sawx. i dont normally go outside VEB so i just assumed every other blog was like us.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
let's face it
the team needs more grit!
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
more grit in the pen maybe
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 25, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeebus, Ludwick smoked that ball
The baseball gods absolutely hate us right now
boo cubs, hooray beer
Pujols..
Even if he is not hitting well in our eyes.. he’s still batting .343 over the last 10 games.
I'm patiently waiting
for that eruption that comes after someone reaches a milestone. (HR # 300 in this case.)
OK, we've got three big bats coming up next inning
We’re going to explode!!
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
just got done helping my sister move
got i hate moving so much…how has boggs looked, no runs through two..thats a start
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
lot of pitches
lots & lots of pitches
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i like the look of the curve though
i love a huge 12 to 6
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 25, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, just did
hung it
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
geesh endy never gets out
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
So,
Is Jose Reyes not the most exciting player in the game anymore?
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
Where the hell was Skip
playing? Centerfield?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
Listening to free milb audio. I’ve heard the Memphis broadcasters are excellent.
Starts out with a strike. Pitch 2 was popped up over the screen.
Do you have a link for the free audio?
I just followed the link from the live box at milb.com, and they want a password (and my MLB Audio password isn’t working)
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
one more out
and thats only one run after three…not toooooooo bad
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
Beltran still can't hit a good curve
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i like boggs...
probably because he was the first game i saw in Round Rock this year, and he pitched nicely. hadn’t really heard of him at the time…
by longhornscardinals on Jul 25, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
You live close to Round Rock?
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
Ah, just wondering
My ex-wife lives in Round Rock. I was hoping you hadn’t had the misfortune. ;-)
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
haha, i like round rock...
but nothing beats actually being in austin.
by longhornscardinals on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems pretty nice
I currently hang my hat in Temple…
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
temple, tx?
one of my good friends is from there. home of drayton mclane!
by longhornscardinals on Jul 25, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It sure is...
And Astros billboards everywhere…. :-)
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
that elbow has to be barkin
something fierce right now
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
ank just missed that one
i like seeing him go the other way
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
Second K
for Carp. Why isn’t he in New York? :)
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
where is the Cat with those updates?
did I just plain miss em?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I swear
you have got to wait for the game to start!
I am way too excited for the return of Carp
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Carp strikes out the side
VERY DAMN SHARP!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
are you watching or listening?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Watching
it’s Carp circa 2005. Sure, they are minor league hitters but he is BLOWING THEM AWAY and CARVING THEM UP!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
listening to the game
Carp sounds good, but no word on what he’s topping out at
Proud sponsor of the Official 2008 StL Cardinal theme song: "Beautiful Day" by U2
Pelfrey seems to have turned a corner
He looks like an entirely different pitcher this year
I know our offense isn’t great, but the kid looks good
boo cubs, hooray beer
ugh, i hate to go out on a bad note
but i gotta run for about an hour
wake up O. your not facing Cy freaking Young gents
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Carpenter
He gives me wood…
I’m sorry…
"Crud, does that booger-eating spaz make me wanna puke!" - Tanner Boyle
Can't wait for Al to tell us how unimportant it was
that Carp struck out the side.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently The Cat's updates are just supposed to
be him telling Dan what Carp has done?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yankees
get 4 prospects for marte and nady
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
One of which is Tabata
arguably one of the best prospects in the Yankees system. Wasn’t the best haul for the Pirates from what i’m reading
boo cubs, hooray beer
That's a deal
acquire Marte and Nady AND get prospects?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops
give up 4 prospects
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Mitchell Boggs is not ready for the major leagues
Keep up the good work Carp, we need you desperately.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Will the St. Louis Cardinals get more hits
or will Chris Carpenter get more strikeouts?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Kennedy is The Suck
at a theater near you.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Do you guys think Adam Kennedy will be on this team at the start of the 2009 season?
boo cubs, hooray beer
I'm learning how to vote
on the Memphis broadcast.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
Completely off topic
but how long has Future Redbirds had the Razzle shirts up for sale. I am gonna have to get me one of those!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
aren't all our opponents
except the padres
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
what happened
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 25, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
for no reason?
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 25, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
it was cool
i used to do that in the out field in high school when i would overrun a one hopper
it feels great to do…but thank god i never let one get by me
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 25, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone know what Carp's pitch limit is?
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously
some of the stuff you say is so grating.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He's given up a groundball that should have been an out
a broken bat single
a walk
a groundout
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He's having some trouble throwing strikes
But he’s not getting hit hard
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
saying that Carp is reading 89 to 91on the gun
but they say their gun reads low so its probably 91-2
I wonder what the Yankees gave up for Marte & Nady?
Something tells me not much…since teams seem to be star struck when they deal with teams like the Yankees and think most of their prospects are gold no matter how average they are.
Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf, George Kontos, and Phil Coke
Kontos is K’ing 1 per inning at AA, Coke looks like a career minor leaguer, and Ohlendorf is a semi-promising arm
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 25, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp just hit a guy in the head
on a ball that slipped out of his hand.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
Announcer's saying the batter has something to tell his grandkids - he was almost beaned
by a Cy Young winner. I kinda doubt that’s what the dude’s saying to himself right now…
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 25, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
grit too
questionable though
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Wow, Jiminez is bad
Carp gets out of it
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
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