Game 104 Open Thread, 24 July 2008
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10-3, 2.88 |
8-4, 4.22 |
It only seems like yesterday when Ben Sheets was the big hero for the US Olympic team in 2000. Now he's the big stud starter looking for a big payday at the end of the season. I was hoping to see Colby get his chance to go to Beijing and make a statement. Ah well.
Much has been said about Wellemeyer's struggles as of late. But he's shown a bit of improvement in his last couple of starts (he at least went 6+ IP both times, which, as stated in the below main post, is an underappreciated factor in bullpen effectiveness), but his strikeout and walk rates still don't seem to have gotten back to what they were before his elbow went. In his win against the Padres, he had 3 BB to 2 K, while giving up five runs.
Hopefully he's relearning his control and his focus, because he's going to need everything he's got against Ben Sheets, who seems to be making a Cy bid in his walk year. No one on the Cardinals current roster has a very spectacular history against Sheets beyond Pujols (26 for 66, 4 HR 10 RBI, 1.66 OPS), and Brendan Ryan in limited at bats.
Hopefully they can stay within reach, get some chances against that somewhat weak bullpen, and avoid the sweep. I'm still mad that we didn't get a chance against Gagné last night (who was warming in the pen when the game ended).
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Why not win this one boys
Might be a bad series, but would give us a winning homestand!!
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 24, 2008 6:39 PM EDT 0 recs
Colonel
I was at the game on Saturday and he wasn’t sharp during the first two innings. The defense let him down in the first inning, too. Still, I wrote on my scorecard his ball/strike count after each inning. After the second, he had thrown 17 strikes to 19 balls (-2). He ended the game having thrown 51 strikes to 33 balls (+18). So, in innings three through seven, The Colonel threw 34 strikes to 14 balls.
Wellemeyer finding his groove was evident just in watching the pace of the game. He was challenging Padres by just pounding the zone and he was very efficient. Hopefully this was a turned corner from him and we will see more of it tonight.
by bgh on Jul 24, 2008 6:50 PM EDT 0 recs
exactly
I couldn’t tell you how many “why is he pulling Wellemeyer for Flores NOW” I heard in the section I was sitting in on Saturday. I think from the 3rd inning on he looked as good or better than he has at any point this season. Now if we can only get seven solid innings out of him tonight.
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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On an earlier thread, I posted this:
Wellemeyer vs. LHB:
.243 BAA/.308 OBPA/.403 SLGA/.711 OPSA
Flores vs. LHB*
.263 BAA/.388 OBPA/.447 SLGA/.835 OPSA
- Randy Flores is left-handed.
TLR’s pitching change boggled the mind. It caused the Cards to use four pitchers for the inning (counting Wellemeyer) instead of one pitcher for the inning (counting Wellemeyer). The Colonel was only at 84 pitches, to boot.
by bgh on
Jul 24, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
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And
he was mixing in his slider effectively. I’ve got a stack of internet dollars on the line that he turned the corner, mechanically, in that game.
C’mon, Colonel. I need that imaginary money.
by liam on
Jul 24, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
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you sure are free with those internet dollars
you think they grow on trees or something?
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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That'll
help pay off that imaginary Russian you owe all that imaginary money to,
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
by Alxfritz on
Jul 24, 2008 8:05 PM EDT
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Seriously
he’s going to break my imaginary legs if I don’t.
by liam on
Jul 24, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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how do you play softball
with imaginary legs?
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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I was so discouraged last night
figuring the season is probably over now, but today is a new day, and if you’re a true fan – which people here are – there is always hope. If nothing else, we get to watch a sport most of us love. We get to watch a baseball game…...not all bad! We’ll miss it when it’s snowing and 15 degrees outside.
Here’s to the Cardinals…...our team! Go get ‘em, boys!
(three hours from now I’ll be cussing out half the team, probably!!)
by ccthemovieman on Jul 24, 2008 6:57 PM EDT 0 recs
I still believe in a place called "Hope"
Only 3 GB in the NL Central. With a win tonight, we will only be 1 GB in the Wild Card. And that is with Carp and Wainwright on the horizon. Perhaps, also with a reliever via trade. In Cardinal Nation, there is much to be hopeful about, even if Ben Sheets is on the hill tonight for the Brewers…
by bgh on
Jul 24, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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Having Ben Sheets on the mound alone gives me hope
I really shouldn’t have went there, but I think the team overcomes any possible jinx by me tonight
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 7:03 PM EDT
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I missed the game
and played possibly the worst softball of my life. I was more pissed about my own failings than the Cards getting shut down by one of the best pitchers in the game.
by liam on
Jul 24, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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Mets are red hot
right now (thanks to us for getting them fired up at Busch).
Gotta win tonight, that Mets series is going to be brutal.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2008 7:06 PM EDT 0 recs
Santana vs. Lohse projected for Sunday
That ought to be a good contest to watch.
by bgh on
Jul 24, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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you aren't going to be happy HL
Hrabosky is back on the Wagonmaker for closer spiel
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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Is The Mad Hungarian drunk?
Why on God’s green earth would we ever do that?
If anything, Col. Closer sounds appealing…
by bgh on
Jul 24, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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his saloon is pretty damn close to the ballpark
that actually might explain a lot
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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he thinks that we are going to duplicate 2006
doesn’t he?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 24, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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Mets don't scare me as much as the Brewers
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
Jul 24, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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At least, where I am, I can listen
to Keith Hernandez or Ron Darling, instead of Al Hrabosky when the Cards play the Mets. A vast upgrade in color commentaters.
by ccthemovieman on
Jul 24, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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It's our job
to put the genie back in the bottle.
Pedro’s probably going to miss us. Facing Pelfrey tomorrow instead.
by liam on
Jul 24, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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WHY IS MINI ME STARTING AT SS AGAIN?
JEBUZ TONY
it’s bad enough AK is starting at 2nd, but why do you keep doing this to us?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 24, 2008 7:58 PM EDT 0 recs
Lineups with nicknames (it couldn't hurt the luck, right?)
Skippy LF
Grit SS
APu 1B
Ank CF
Boss 3B
Studwick RF
Stache C
Col P
AK 2B
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 24, 2008 8:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Why does TLR insist on playing Grit at SS?
It’s really bordering on the absurd. They justify Izturis with his D, but then play Grit at SS? It’s nonsensical.
by bgh on
Jul 24, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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well now i know why IZturis isnt playing
he has a whopping .182 career OPS versus Sheets
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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any one see Wagonmaker giving Jimmy "The Cat" Hayes rabbit ears
as his interview ended on the pre game? pretty funny stuff
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 24, 2008 8:04 PM EDT 0 recs
and it was with his non-pitching hand
thankfully!
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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***Wagonmaker Update***
Adam Wainwright threw a bullpen session prior to the start of the Cardinals’ series finale against the Brewers on Thursday.It was Wainwright’s latest session as he prepares to make his way off the disabled list, and the right-hander reported no pain. Since he was placed on the DL, the Cardinals have stayed afloat, going 21-19.
Wainwright will continue to throw bullpen sessions every other day until the club decides on his rehabilitation starts. Wainwright is hoping to rejoin the club within the next two weeks, at best
by bgh on Jul 24, 2008 8:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Lets make it 22-19
tonight!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 24, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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let's go KFC
shut em down tonight
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 24, 2008 8:12 PM EDT 0 recs
good evening
let’s salvage one game here! good start colonel!
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2008 8:16 PM EDT 0 recs
Big K Tadallion
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 24, 2008 8:19 PM EDT 0 recs
good start
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT 0 recs
+1
good start indeed
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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stupid joker hits dont cost us
i hate when they lead to runs for the bad guys
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
Jul 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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Steady diet of fastballs
from the Colonel
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Come Todd, turn that corner, turrrrrn it
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jul 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT 0 recs
well that's a good start
i still wanna see the cards hitters make ‘em work though.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT 0 recs
ben is one of the quickest workers in baseball
skip loves to swing at the first pitch
winner….skip
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice 1b Skippy!
Lets get after this schmo early!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2008 8:23 PM EDT 0 recs
memo to grit: you got your name grit for a reason. you're not a home run hitter.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2008 8:24 PM EDT 0 recs
Grand Slam
notwithstanding?
j/k, I agree completely
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 24, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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alright pujols
patience, then explosion
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 24, 2008 8:24 PM EDT 0 recs
i'm absolutely sick of him expanding his zone
he should know better.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2008 8:25 PM EDT 0 recs
heh
Ank’s OBP is lower than Pujols’ BA
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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only 42 players in the nL
have a higher OBP above Pujols’ BA.
by Evilfrog on
Jul 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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his elbow is clearly killing him right now
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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eh i even almost forgot about that
that would be a reasonable concern wouldn’t it.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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what happened to his elbow?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 24, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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he needs TJ on his right one
remember?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jul 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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AP is just waving at the ball
looks like duncan (sorry)
by ccthemovieman on Jul 24, 2008 8:25 PM EDT 0 recs
C'mon Roy
lose this in the seats!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT 0 recs
ank comes trough
we have the early lead
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT 0 recs
good to see us manufacturing some runs for a change
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 24, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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that works Rick
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT 0 recs
1-0
NICE HIT ROY!
not exactly the seats, but thatll work!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2008 8:28 PM EDT 0 recs
oh he juuuuust missed that
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jul 24, 2008 8:28 PM EDT 0 recs
Vitameataveggiman
is just absolutely large over there on first for the brew crew
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT 0 recs
hard to believe
but Ive seen him at Minute Maid. Quite large
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 24, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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Thank God I got this widescreen TV
I can see half of him now
by voltronchris on
Jul 24, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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well played, sir. well played.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jul 24, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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Is it me or does glaus always look like he's gonna smash something when he misses a pitch?
by madeintaiwan on Jul 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT 0 recs
he does get very angry
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 24, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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at least you can never accuse Glaus of not caring
I am starting to like the bat throws, I wonder how many he breaks in a season doing that
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by mattyfrommo on
Jul 24, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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I just hope he gets some of his teammates fired up
strikeouts from left-center
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