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Betting the farm

Okay, let me start this off by saying, I have been a devoted cards fan for 23 years , but until I began reading this blog, I didn't know much about the minor league. 

Now that I have know more about the AAA team, I have some questions that I pose to you, the intelligent VEB readers that you are, hoping that I can gain some insight. 

1. When we "sign" a minors player, do they usually come from college/high school/walk on?

2. What does a "signing" entail? If we write a contract with a minor league player, how much do they usually cost, and how long are they usually for?

3. How do we ensure that our minor players stay with the Cardinals after their minor league contracts are up? 

4. Do minor league players usually have other jobs, or is that their main source of income?

5. Do players ever come directly out of college/wherever/ to start in the MLB without ever seeing a game in the minors?

Thank you for any info you may have. I know that some of these questions may seem elementary, but I suppose you have to learn the basics before you can get any farther. Thanks again!

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(Answering these one by one so I don’t have to do it all at once if something comes up…)

Most minor leaguers come from college nowadays. Minor leaguers join the farm system in one of two ways:

  1. kids in the US, Canada, and Puerto Rico are eligible for the Rule 4 draft after high school graduation; if they attend a D-I or D-II college, after their junior year or after they turn 21; and JuCo players are eligible for the draft whenever.

  2. As minor league free agents: players from outside the US, Canada, and Puerto Rico are free agents when they turn 16 (like Michael Inoa), players eligible for the Rule 4 draft who went undrafted are free agents (like Justin Fiske), and players drafted with a team who stick around for 6 years without being added to their drafting team’s 40-man roster may file for minor league free agency (like Ryan Ludwick).

by liam on Jul 23, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Players signed are under control for 6 years after they start playing, when they can file for free agency. Some players, like Rick Porcello, who signed a major league contract when he was drafted will need to be a regular within four years after being drafted, since he’ll be out of options by then. (The fourth-year option loophole that allows Reyes to be in the minors right now without clearing waivers would apply.)

Players who aren’t added to the 40-man roster can be taken in the Rule 5 draft by other clubs 4 years after being drafted for college-aged players and 5 years for high-school aged players.

Minor league free agency and the rule 5 draft were added so that teams couldn’t horde talent and take away talented young players’ most potentially productive years—they make for some interesting discussion before the winter meetings, too, when 40-man rosters need to be set.

I don’t know too much about how much minor league contracts cost, but the pay isn’t great.

by liam on Jul 23, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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You have to add them to the 40-man roster to keep players in your system protected from the rule-5 draft and minor league free agency. Occasionally, a player on the 40-man roster will request his release. This happened most recently with John Gall, whose release was granted. He went to play in Korea, then signed with the Marlins AAA team the following season. He’s on the Olympic team this year.

Once you put a player on the 40-man roster, you have 3 option years on the player when he can freely be called up and sent down. An option year goes unused if the player isn’t sent to the minors all year except for rehab assignments. After so many years of Major League service time, the player has the right to turn down an assignment on options. Pujols, for example, has never used any of his options, but if we wanted to send him to the minors, he’d have the right to tell Mo to screw himself and he could file for free agency. Brett Myers recently approved the Phillies decision to option him to the minors so he could work out his problems.

by liam on Jul 23, 2008 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Top picks usually can live off a stipend drawn from their million dollar plus signing bonus. Other players have winter jobs. Chuck James, for example, worked at Lowes installing windows and doors during the winters to make ends meet when he wasn’t playing minor league baseball. After his breakout 2006 season when he was a big part of the Braves rotation, going 11-4 with a 3.78 ERA, he went back to his usual winter job during the offseason and amazingly wasn’t recognized. He figured it kept him well conditioned.

by liam on Jul 23, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5:

I can’t think of a recent example where they didn’t even get conditioned in the minors.

Huston Street pitched in only 11 minor league games before joining the A’s bullpen full-time.

Ryan Zimmerman was a september call-up in the year he was drafted and never looked back.

by liam on Jul 23, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a bit of a special case

But becase Josh Hamilton was selected in the Rule 5 Draft (which requires that the player be kept on the ML roster all year to retain him), he has a very odd minor league track record. After taking four years off, he accumulated only 50 minor league ABs - in low A ball - for the D-Rays before becoming a full-time major leaguer (and a pretty damn good one, at that).

Our very own Mr. Pujols played only one season in the minors, almost entirely in A ball.

Like Zimmerman, Verlander was in the minors less than a year.

by mojowo11 on Jul 24, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks so much, Liam!

now, these questions aren’t swirling around in my head every time someone asks me about mather, or rasmus.
Thanks so much!

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 23, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Liam and thecoolalonzo

I already knew most of this information but in a much more fragmented form. This is a pretty well laid out primer.

by ZiggyG on Jul 23, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the only players

who i know off of the top of my head that never played in the minors are Dave Winfield and Robin Yount. Also, Nancy Drew was a september callup in the same season he was drafted. it seems to me on wikipedia they have a list of players who never played in the minors, but i can’t seem to find it.

The NL Central Blog.com

by dunc4life on Jul 24, 2008 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what do you know!

Wikipedia is the reason I feel no need to retain any of the knowledge I learned in college.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_baseball_players_who_went_directly_to_the_major_leagues
Thanks for the help!

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 24, 2008 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think i remember

john olerud didn’t play in the minors, but i could be wrong

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jul 24, 2008 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap

did not see the wiki link. at least i was right!

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jul 24, 2008 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Bob Horner never played in the minors

What do you know, he didn’t.

I almost forgot he was out of baseball at the age of 30. I can’t imagine that if he would have been playing today he would have walked away from the kind of money that is thrown around now. Did he get hurt and walk away, or just plain walk away?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 24, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of these days

I am gonna learn to look up the page before commenting. I swear it is going to happen,

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 24, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Found it

The last player to go straight to the majors was Xavier Nady. The complete list of players who went straight to the majors since the draft started in ‘65 is here.

Interestingly, the Cardinals drafted Nady out of high school in ‘97 as their 4th round pick. How sweet of a draft would that have been? Adam Kennedy, Rick Ankiel, and Nady in one class. (Kennedy was a solid player in his 20s.) And that was before we had any sort of investment in amateur scouting.

by liam on Jul 24, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking over that list

The most recent few people who went straight to the majors spent some time down the next year. Nady was a september call-up then spent the next three years in the minors. Darren Dreifort and Ariel Prieto both spent quite a bit of time in the minors in their second and third years.

John Olerud was the last player to go straight to the majors and stick around. He was drafted in 1989.

by liam on Jul 24, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and by the way...

Is Catfish Hunter his real name? Cause, that, frankly, is kinda sad.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 24, 2008 2:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

k,

just figured it out. Not his real name. Pretty cool guy, though.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 24, 2008 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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