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by chuckb on Jul 22, 2008 10:15 PM EDT
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We're gonna win this one.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
I wish I shared your optimism
I just don’t
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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I no longer share my own optimism
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
Let's go Rick
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
Not a good at bat
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
you expected more?
it’s after the 7th inning and the game is close – “good” Rick has left the building
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
I just live in the moment. Right now that moment is painful
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
I'm staying in here
late to the party and all.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
Douches
may not appreciate the comparison to Adam Kennedy’s swing.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
Kind of strange
to use the LOOGY before bringing in K-Mac, who has few problems with lefties.
Suppose Fielder is not your common lefty-handed bat, though.
didn't you read the bible
according to tlr?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
i have no beef with the move
you can’t take any chances with big veg
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
countdown until
villones arm falls off??? nice job though..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
very but
they are playing with fire due to the inability of diahreaa(flores)
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
When he is set up to
(Facing only lefties)
ESPN Management (CT): Umm…...what does this have to do with the Red Sox and Yankees?
SportsNation Jerry Crasnick: Management, Let’s take a break with the sarcasm, OK?
by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 22, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Still fear the onset of ZOGery - Zero Out Guy ery - coming to your mound all too soon
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
are you shitting me?
for fucks sake
seriously
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
can we get a
pitcher who can keep the fucking ball below the waist!!!!!!!!!
by chicagocardfan on Jul 22, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Its contagious
ESPN Management (CT): Umm…...what does this have to do with the Red Sox and Yankees?
SportsNation Jerry Crasnick: Management, Let’s take a break with the sarcasm, OK?
by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 22, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Are we in Groundhog Day?
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It’s gonna be our home for a couple of months
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ha!
at least you still have a sense of humor
good job!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
until Wolf straightens out the Astros?
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sad that the astros are making moves and we're content
doing nothing
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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill DeWitts wallet is very content.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i'd seriously rather have him as an owner
that a guy who throws cash around like he stole it
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
not me, he blatently pulled a Florida Marlins this year
and he fell into a decent team by complete accident.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
spending 100 million is pulling a Florida Marlins?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont follow your logic
Dewitt has been part owner of the rangers. before he bought the Cards, tried to buy the reds from marge schott, but bud wouldnt let him. he made her sell it to her dead husbands business partner
then with this current group, he was finally able to buy the Cards.
what free agents would you have had the Cards get this past off season? it was a down year for illegitimately good free agents
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They think they
still have a chance.
by chicagocardfan on Jul 22, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ya
probably
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you know why TLR
went as long as he did with Loshe. This is ridiculous. How long is management going to stick with these loser relievers?
loser relievers
49 appearences for a rookie..a good one at that
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ZOGS and more ZOGS
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
uh Joe
just so you know, that curve was a strike
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
have no fear, murderer's row is coming.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
ray charles
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing to sell, really...
... better just hope this straightens itself out quickly. season ain’t over in July.
i really wish Gibby was still pitching
hall wouldn’t dare pull that shit with him on the mound
pathetic
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
yep
no one on this team with the balls to throw one in an ear though
(except for Izzy, but it’d be unintentional)
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm dead against throwing at a dude head
except when shit like that is pulled
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
rib cage would do
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
hall and weeks
were both hitting less than .200 against rh pitching before this series. wtf/
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
why couldn't they keep hitting like Hall & Oates
not early 80s Hall & Oates though, those guys could hammer out the hits then
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of their last hits were major mistakes, up in the zone
you would think that with all of the free swingers on the MIL club they could get more outs, especially to guys like Weeks & Hall, with pitches in the dirt…the Cards just havent figured t out yet
by buzzburton33 on Jul 22, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
PH-Iz2-Schu
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Meh
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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ok
time to wake up offense
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
Radio about a month behind gameday. Makes the agony all the worse. . .
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HL Mencken
Don't be afraid to take a walk, please
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meh
not much in the lineup to worry about – we’re past the third inning
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
rubberarm Torres again
let’s light him up
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This is what happens
when you don’t have faith in anyone in a bullpen
is Mather at the game?
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with 13 pitchers
he is damn near the ONLY option off the bench
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
now
we can’t move duncan, and will have to find a place for barton soon
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
that DL move stinks
“well, let’s come up with a good reason why we can’t trade Duncan”
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If Mo is smart
he’ll over Lohse and extension asap, and if he turns it down, you trade him
if you let him walk for nothing, it’ll be a terrible move
boo cubs, hooray beer
does that mean Skip is likely to go too?
or not now that Colby is hurt?
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Joey Bombs
we need you now more than ever to live up to that nick name
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
didn't expect that one from you
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
at cfc
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can't beat Suppan with our best pitcher
How do you expect us to beat Sheets and Sabathia with Looper and Wellemeyer?
Even if we outplay them early, we’ll choke late.
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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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so
you think this team is that predictable this year?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't
But I’ll bet you ten internet dollars that this losing streak reaches at least four
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sure
I’ll bet that
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
brews will probably be in 1st
after this series
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Do not go gently into that good night, Schumaker!
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I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse (bug I just logged in)
but how the heck can we have 13 relievers at the moment and TLR not trust one of them in the 8th?????
http://www.theticketguys.com
lol i wouldn't either.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
true but lohse was obviously done – KMac should’ve been in the 8th – even though he gave up the bomb – at least he wouldn’t have faced Bill (pose-off) Hall
http://www.theticketguys.com
No he wasn't
he wasn’t obviously done. And, I’d still trust him over the crap we’ve got out in the pen right now.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
this season is nothing but shoulda's
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
how many times this season have we said that?
seams like at least twice a week
this is getting so freaking old
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
and last nite too
2 straight come from behind wins against the home team is out of the question f the team is going to contend. the crew is fired up because management is going for it. cards are sit and wait, and maybe it is beginning to show.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
I believe that
to some extent, I think this is getting to be a mental block for the Birds – and not just the bullpen sucking – if they shored up the pen, would the hitters have more confidence late in games?
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
what about the starters
i bet lohse feels great about the outcome
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
well, that too
but Lohse isn’t completely off the hook tonight either – sure, probably was left in too long – but his mental concentration has to be better – he was unhittable tonight but still allowed the big inning
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This fucking sucks
I hate every last person in that bullpen, even you right now KMac
boo cubs, hooray beer
even Springer?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Awful awful awful loss
Two nights in a row. We should be on a 9-game winning streak right now.
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just like we should have gone 8-1 through boston, detroit, and kc...
but oh yeah, the bullpen is a fucking sideshow…
Break out the brooms!
We’s gettin swept.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Now that I've settled down
I could see us winning the next two.
Here’s some Farmer’s Almanac style reasoning:
Looper’s had starts where he went fewer than four innings three times this year, including his last start. In the starts after those two previous short starts, he had a starts where he went 7 shutout innings (HOU) and 7 innings of 2-run ball (CHC). So it wouldn’t be a shocker if Looper came out as a stopper for us tomorrow.
Sabathia, meanwhile, has thrown complete games in his last two starts. The last time he pitched back-to-back CGs was last season. The start following was against the Braves, when he allowed 5 runs over 8 1/3. We oughta be able to score some runs off Sabathia in any case, Glaus has good history against him.
Tackle Box knows that we’ve always had success against Sheets for whatever reason and Wellemeyer appeared to’ve found his slider as his last start went on. If he can come out Thursday with an effective slider on hand and we get it done tomorrow, a split of this series isn’t out of the question.
Lot of ifs and iffy reasoning, sure, but these Cardinals have surprised us more than once this year.
Heck, if we split this series and the Snakes keep owning the Cubs, we’ll be in a tie for the division lead by the time the Cards catch their flight to Flushing.
Hall would have a hell of a career if he played at Busch
all the time…he is a HR machine here. In fact he hit the first HR here.
Well, they haven't exactly
been the classiest organization the last two seasons…so it wouldn’t surprise me.
They should have a pose off before games, just in case they don’t hit any HRs.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Houston
does that after every friday night game too
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 22, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Step right up! Who wants 'um? Lohse, Miles, Shu, anyone not named Pujols and Molina.
No reasonable offer refused. . . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
absolutely pathetic
I know it wouldn’t solve anything – so you can save the fire-bombing me – but is it time yet to just wholesale the entire bullpen to Memphis?
ok, keep KMac and Springer – ship everyone else to Memphis – bring up the Memphis bullpen, see what they can do
this is getting unacceptable – this is not major league level performance
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
what's sad is that they couldn't be any worse...
no exaggeration whatsoever, they could not be any worse…
to sum up this series so far i ref. my name and the movie MJL2
i can’t believe I gave up a hr to that punch and judy hitter.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
im loggin in
see ya there?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 22, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
no he's busy acting as Job Bluth in Arrested Development re-runs (minus the glasses)
http://www.theticketguys.com
According to what I read from Franklin -
the bullpen is “fine” ...
by Urban Pawnee on Jul 22, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear it's already to late
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This team HAS to be sellers
If Mo lets Lohse walk at the end of the year, he should lose his job.
boo cubs, hooray beer
actually it's 4
we have our worst 2 pitchers going the next 2 nights against last years cy young winner in the AL and the NL Starter of the all star game this year
it’s 4 losses to a team we had to atleast split with
boo cubs, hooray beer
and besides, my point stands, if Mo can't resign Lohse he has to trade him
if you let a chip that valuable walk at the end of the year, you hurt the organization
boo cubs, hooray beer
Bet you anything we find a way to win one of the next 2.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 22, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
does it really matter?
this pen will not allow this team to win enough games over the next 2 months to make the playoffs, it’s simply not happening…
I wouldnt bet against that
but that sure is optimism the way this bullpen is performing lately
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the two biggest games of the year
And we did this:
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Right.....
The Cardinals have been coming back all year. Did all our opponents choke, or did we just make enough plays to win some of those games?
Yes, the last two games are VERY disappointing, but they are just two games. We are what, 2 games out right now? A game behind Milwaukee? Quit panicking.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 22, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Two games behind Milwaukee
they clinched the season series tonight, I believe.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh now that's just salt in the wound
They clinched the season series in July? Wow.
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Actually, no
they didn’t. I was wrong. 3 games up in it now, though.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
When I was in grade school
we had these uneven bars that got higher and higher on our play ground. One time, I climbed up to the top one and was swinging from my hands maybe 10-12 feet off the ground. I decided to swing out and land on my feet. Instead, I landed flat on my back. I couldn’t breathe for about 3 minutes just sitting there hyperventilating. (My friends ran to get the playground watcher and told her I was dying.)
I think that tonight’s loss feels something like that.
u break both arms?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, good analogy - all the way up to the part where you arose. . ..Think Cards need the ambulance that you missed.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I think a lot of losses lately feel like that
Hell, I am almost ready for the debut of Motte. He can’t do any worse than most of the bullpen, even if he does only have one real pitch.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
One time my little brother was having a birthday party
I was playing basketball in the driveway with all his friends, and since I had already gone through puberty and had a growth spurt I was dominating the boards. One kid had enough when I reached over him and turned around and punched me. Thing is, his arm level was right at my nuts. Full-forced 9-year-old punch directly to the gonads. That’s what tonight’s loss feels like to me.
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See, I would feel like that
if I totally didn’t already expect this stuff to happen.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
OK so what about
moving wagonmaker to the pen to close when he comes back? he’s gotta be better than anything we can trade for right? and better than anything current?
He's better in the rotation
no need moving him back and forth.
Just put him in the rotation, let him pitch every 5 days and get him geared up for 2009.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
When he gets back he'll be closing
He’ll just be coming in in the first inning
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Jack Clark needs to lay off the spray tan.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
dan and al look rather tan
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
for a team that has over achieved all yr
the board seems to lose sight of that quick. I hate to see em lose heartbreakers, but the seasons not over and they are still not sellers..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
We're only 7 pitchers away
From having a decent bullpen. Send all of these asshats to the glue factory, because they are the most worthless sonsabitches I’ve ever seen wear major league uniforms.
How the hell could a pen make me yearn for Pedro effing Borbon.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
Post of the night
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b/c you don't remember
Pedro Borbon very well
Man, I hope the stores in St. Louis lock up the guns and knives. Ban on gun and knife sales in the greater St. Louis area!!
Brewers have to be proud of their front office
Doug Melvyn has gone for it and made deals designed to put the Brewers over the hump – ala Jockety before the cheap owners castrated him. Melvyn actually built a strong team in Texas and look how bad they’ve been since he was fired. Our management really doesn’t care whether we win this year as long as we have a competitive cheap team in ‘09. Get used to it Cards fans – we will become the Minnesota of the NL. A nice team that develops talent for other teams to win championships with.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
+1 billion kajillion zitrillion
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Uhh....really clark?
First off it’s Doug Melvin, not Melvyn.
Second: This has nothing to do with management, take off the tinfoil cap. The Brewers gave up a top prospect to get a half a year rental, us not making that trade had NOTHING to do with money. Our management did not want to give up Colby Rasmus for half a year of CC Sabathia.
Also, the Brewers are winning right now, not because of making big money splashes , but because they’ve developed so many good young players within their own organization.
You have no fucking clue what you’re talkng about.;
boo cubs, hooray beer
I'm with you
although slightly more toned down :)
I will just say that money has nothing to do with this season – it’s about building organizational depth and contending for much of the ‘10s
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
but that doesn’t mean it has no effect on the organization sense of urgency about winning every game it you know they don’t “count” until next year.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Thank you for your constructive mature comment
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
+1
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ridiculous
Jocketty got us in the mess we’re in, and we’re climbing out of it a whole hell of a lot faster than anyone could’ve expected.
The Brewers aren’t good because their owners aren’t cheap, they’re good because they patiently built a great team with adeep farm
They didn't develop
Sabathia, Durham, Torres or Suppan. Those were smart veteran acquisitions to complement a good farm system. Do you think we would acquire that kind of veteran to fuel a pennant run today?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?
The reason they could acquire those 2 of those players is because they’ve developed a very good farm system which they could trade from. Torres is not a good pitcher and will not last as a closer.
As for Suppan, if you think his was a smart signing, then you are clueless and I will thank god you aren’t the Cardinals GM. That was an awful contract.
Management is doing the right thing by not tying up a ton of money in mediocre players, and not trading away our future for half a year rentals.
I understand you are angry about this loss, I am too, but don’t be stupid.
boo cubs, hooray beer
No
Because we neglected the farm system for so long under Jocketty’s lead. It’s flat-out stupid to say the ownership group “castrated” Jocketty by putting more of an effort to develop talent and build a deep, quality farm system.
And Durham is hardly a big piece of their team, considering he was added a few days ago for better offense on the bench.
+111453125456548
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 23, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
2 winnable games, 2 horrible losses
say what you will about the 8th, old arm or not, Springer should have pitched right there after they cut it to 1 run, he gave you the best chance in that situation…they needed a win worse tonight than to save Russ for tomorrow or the next day…then if Russ ave up the tying run at least you lost with your best chance to win
half the people on here are going batshit insane
do you know how much of the season is left?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed.
Acting like a bunch of little kids.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 22, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
you have to admit
these two losses were horrible punches to the gut – and magnified one of the (has been all season) glaring weaknesses of this team
overreacting? maybe. but when you can pretty much call what’s going to happen two innings prior to it actually taking place…problem
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
to me
the two games were so close that it proves that these teams are evenly matched. so the next series we could win
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody called anything.....
And if they did, they were lucky.
What I saw was Lohse absolutely dominating. I’d have probably left him in too. If not for a couple of WEAK hits, the game is never tied up. Braun hitting that squib to 3rd? Fielder going the other way and placing the ball between Glaus and Iz? Heck, even the HR in the 9th was a pitch off the plate.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 22, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ok - you're reading it a bit literally
I don’t disagree there may have been bad bounces – but this is not a new problem to have the bullpen choking in a crucial situation
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
People are overreacting
but cmon? You can not be saying that someone could not see this happening the way this bullpen has been pitching.
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
lol sometimes bad things happen to bad bullpens
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I don't like the piss and moan... the world is ending stuff either
but I also don’t like it when people try to act like there is nothing wrong with the bullpen. It is overworked, but that doesn’t mean that it doesnt suck
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
nah I was agreeing with you.
Whoever says this isn’t a bad bullpen needs to take off the Ron Santos glasses.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I know, I was just venting
you will have the extremes on here. I just dont care for the” acting like children” BS
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Jul 23, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
this is a good "back to earth" post
take two of three from the Cubs in 3 weeks and everyone will be singing a different tune
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, but
the teams we are competing with are not the same as they were in the first half (they are better), and we are worse w/o aw etc
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Take 2 of 3 from the Cubs
what makes you think a team with zero bullpen will be within enough games to have 2 of 3 matter?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
the next week
will probably tell the season
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
they've had zero bullpen all year
and after tonight could still be (hopefully) within two games of first place in the division
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bull
They have not had zero bullpen all year.
The bullpen has only been this bad the last two months. Perhaps we are all forgetting that the offense has had late game heroics to pull this bullpen out of an even worse fate.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
true
and they are an overworked pen..when some starters go 5 that hurts..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true
too – the starters have lost their mojo in July
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
two months is a lot
when they’ve only played 3 1/2
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
True
but something has to be done about the pen though
You're right . . . it is just one game, but
a pattern has developed – and there is no sign that the pattern will reverse. The bullpen loses games consistently and it sucks the joy out of the position players.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
and that will happen
it is a sports blog for goodness sake, who said we have to act rationally?
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
ow...
i thought we had that one…
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
our bullpen
started to get screwed when we didn’t want pay for a real starter and converted some of the decent relievers into starters.
please name said starter
seriously, please
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personally i thought welly. He was coming off an injury and showed good potential as a reliever, not really as a start. On and off this year but i thoughted hed do well as a reliever
He was the freaking pitcher of the month in May
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Welley's did good last year
and was great before he got hurt.
what i want to know is what free agent starter do you think the Cards didn’t want to spend the cash on to sign?
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that was 2 years ago
and 55 M for Gil Meche?
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
2 years ago. But it would have probably been a 3 yr contract. I know it sounds high. but everything fa they go for…its that same excuse….its to high. But i don’t see contracts coming down anytime soon
he signed a 5 yr 55 M contract with KC
I just dont think he would have signed a 3 Yr one with the Cards
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
u guys are right. But im not trying to justify who we should have push for or gotten, but it seemed to me that our bulllpen did very well, until they started messing with it to find internal options for starters .
In my opinion
neither Looper or Welley were much of a help to the bullpen. Looper just wasn’t that effective down the stretch in 2006 and Welley…well getting released by the Royals because you couldn’t stick in the bullpen is a sign. Welley never did click until he went into the rotation last year.
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
our pen started going down hill once the starters started getting hurt
once Wagonmaker went down, things really went to hell in a hand basket.
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amazing how that happens, isnt it?
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I will admit that my preception is going to be way different then yours and i tell you why. Im in pennsylvania, and live way in east bumble nowhere. I don’t have tv, cable, satellite and until 3 months ago i finally got dsl at home lol. I goto bars to watch most cardinals that i know are on and have gone to pittsburg twice to see them play the cards. From the little i do get to watch, probably was on wellys good days. And i also thought that WW would have been a good replacement for izzy. I don’t now. But at the time i did. Thats why i like it here becuase u guys actually kinda expand or contrast my thoughts on things i don’t get to see or hear about.
i envy you a bit
well, past you. Maybe getting rid of cable and internet for a few months will keep this team from giving me an ulcer
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
haha. think youre the first to say you envy me. Im tired of penn state this and philly that here. Its what everyone talks about. I’ve like that cardinals since 87 when they lost to the twins and willy mcgee made that last out. A friend of mine was a cardinals fan and knew a lot about baseball in general and introduced me to the cardinals and i’ve tried to follow them ever since. And yes i do get ulcers from the Cardinals. I just don’t get them till the next day when i read espn lol.
the $55 million dollar man KC signed the winter of 2006?
you were talking about LAST winter
what pitcher from last winter should they have signed?
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aj burnett
but they made a play for him. the contract the birds offered was what, like 2-5 million less overall than what toronto offered. bet he wishes he were in st louis right now.
but he wasn't last offseason either
He signed with Toronto after the 2005 season
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Blooper, Welly come to mind. Then you have to move young starters to relief - K-Mac, Garcia, Boggs, Parisi and Memphis cast of 1000s
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-1
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who even feels like putting themselves through this again tomorrow?
i mean, i’m sure i will, but at least with looper going the bullpen will probably never get the chance to piss one away…
Geez, maybe that sweep of the Pods -
wasn’t as impressive as it seemed.
Come to think of it, we almost lost all those games. They played us tough (but stupid).
we needed that sweep
some tough games coming up
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
hold the phones,
per “HOF” manager there are no bullpen issues. nothing to see here.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Tony is going off for asking about the bullpen!
“it isn’t the bullpens fault, we need to score more” “the bullpen didn’t lose these games”
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damnit! i wish i could see that
damn black out isnt over till 11pm est
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He was pissed
I’m guessing a pretty nasty lockerroom talk coming up.
Hopefully that jolts the bats awake.
Is this above or below levels of delusion compared to Hitler
Screaming that the war was still winnable when the Soviets were on the doorstep of Berlin?
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines
of the Iraqi General claiming that there was no war in a press conference when the building was getting shelled.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone photoshop LaRussa's head onto this
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 22, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Preferably the picture after the World Series
Where he had that towel wrapped around his head
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excellent
what about a cartoon text balloon?
“There is nothing wrong with the bullpen.”
heh
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
in all fairness to Tony
after he blew up at the reporters he did kind of back off at the end. I think he knew he was going overboard
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
now if only it had a
“or a healthy Chris Duncan” tab too
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Man everyone's making Hardcore work tonight
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He kinda looks insane with that grin
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That is beyond awesome.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 22, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he has to
if he throws them under the bus – the mental block will only get worse
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
because tony wants a bat
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
if you have a 3 run lead in the 7th...you should be able to win the game....i disagree with Tony....
if you have a bullpen, you win the game…..we had a 3 run lead in the 7th…you win with a good bullpen
+1
Why does it matter whether we lead 3-1 and blow it or lead 11-9 and blow it.? The bullpen could’nt be trusted to protect a lead no matter how many runs our offense scores.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
So TLR blames the offense in his post game comments
It’s their fault. The bullpen is wonderful. Why do you non-geniuses continue to harp on the bullpen?
Ridiculous. The emperor has no clothes.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
Which is like Dick Vermeil blaming the 2003 Chiefs O
Whenever their D would give up 35 points.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 22, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There was plenty of blame to go around tonight
The offense sucked after the 3rd inning tonight, something we see far too often. K-Mac gave up a HR. Plenty of blame to go around fellas.
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Too depressed to check it out, but I think Cards managed one ball out of the infield the last two innings. Shu's 27th out.
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Even if we had a good bullpen Lohse probably stays out for the 8th
He might get pulled IN the 8th, but not until he’d given up a coupla hits
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logging in for the first time all day. . .
can someone explain to me why bill hall needs to be drilled tommorrow?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 22, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
tomorrow we clear the benches
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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sparked the Sox in '04 between ARod and Varitek...
maybe we need that spark
+1
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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
that and he looked into the Cards dugout tonight
thats bush league
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Seeing as McClung tried to hit
Pujols twice last night because of what happened last year and we did nothing, I doubt we see any retaliation.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
When is the last time
this team threw at someone? Tony just doesn’t play that game
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
astros
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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't see this
kid should be ducking tomorrow
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 22, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
this is stupid
I chalked it up to people just blowing off steam at the time but how many Cards’ hitters do the exact same thing when they hit a homer - including #5. All of them do. He did nothing that nobody else does when they homer and the idea that he should be beaned just for beating us 2 days in a row is sour grapes. A lot of people on this board need to grow up - not saying you, Hardcore. You’re probably just the messenger here but a lot of people here need to grow up. It’s 2 bad losses—yes, but I’m not going to go hang myself. The season isn’t over. We’re 1 whole game behind the Brewers and even if we lose the season series to the Brewers we can still finish ahead of them. Everybody here needs to get a grip!
NEVER!!!
TRADE EVERYONE! OUR SEASON IS OVER!!!!
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
the real sad story of the night is Colby Rasmus
wtf?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
supposed torn acl
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
per a blog
per supposed father
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
left the game in the first inning
who knows what the hell happened
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but who knows?
I think maybe he would have to be examined before we have a clue
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
well I will let you
and then I will feel much better about it
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
K-Mac has given up 6 HRs this seaon
Four when the game was tied, one when we were ahead by one, and one when we were ahead by 4. The one that he gave up when we were ahead by one was followed three pitches later with one that gave the other team (Royals) the lead
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that's because
he mostly pitches when the game is tied or close. He rarely pitches in blowouts. Therefore, the homers he gives up will occur in close games. It’s too many homers, yes but let’s not start labeling him a choker b/c he’s given up most of his homers in tie games.
It just feels like it because he's given up some gut-wrenching HRs this year
I’m not a B-R subscriber, so I couldn’t check his overall stat line when the game is tied, but I’d be interested to see it, if anyone’s a subscriber or knows another site to use.
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I'm telling you
He’ll be closing games when he comes back…just starting in the first inning
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Go for it
I’ll already owe 10 internet bucks if we win tomorrow or Thursday
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On the bright side
at least we didn’t trade for Joe Blanton…..things could be worse
Ha
Now that’s some perspective
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that's exactly what this team needs
another ace on the DL
no thanks
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Honestly
at night, I have nightmares of Billy Bean and the Cards trading with him again
Yeah, we could have swapped the farm for Mulder
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anyone else think haren *could" have wound up like reyes had he stayed?
a power guy that duncan would have tried to convert to a “pitch-to-contact” guy, not a huge sample size but he didn’t really have a ton of success before the trade, did he?
no, Dunk was dead against trading him
he actually loved danny so he would have worked with him.
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Rasmus update?
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Carpenter 3 weeks?
21 days = 4 more starts?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
he wasn't too happy with his outing , but he only gave up 1 hit in 4 innings...i just think he had an off day.
based on what i heard from his bullpen sessions, he was on during those….i just think he had an off day. 4 starts should be enough, no?
"Fun" with win expectancy
Yesterday: 80.6% at its largest
Tonight: 91.0% at its largest
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These Cardinals
are single-handedly renormalizing win expectancy.
People will look back at this year and thank the Cardinals for tempering their enthusiasm with a lead and providing hope when behind.
Heh
If it hadn’t been for last night’s game, our WE would have been 91.2% at its highest tonight
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Yadi
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Actually it is Lee
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_2008_t.shtml
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That was an emotional game
with a very rough ending. I’m just going to remind everyone to keep it civil. Let’s not start tearing into each other as soon as LBoros leaves.
we need to have the community guidelines up for every game anymore
How about people just stop getting pissed at others on here when they are clearly venting? I think we should all be able to agree with that. If people can’t do that this is going to be one hell of a long final two months
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If you'll read the community guidelines
it’s not a place for venting. To quote:
Criticizing the cardinals: well-reasoned criticism is always welcome. some of us will disagree with it and rush to defend the home team, but the community almost always benefits from a critical point of view. however, nobody benefits from infantile ravings; these are not welcome. what are “infantile ravings”? they’re comments or diaries posted in the heat of the moment for no reason except to vent frustration. for example: if La Russa makes a questionable pinch-hitting decision that doesn’t work out, comments such as “FUCK YOU LA RUSSA !!!” or “You moron Tony! You couldn’t manage a little-league team!” are infantile ravings. a comment like: “Can anybody explain to me what the hell Tony was thinking there?” would be an acceptable expression of frustration - the sort of thing a grown-up might say. before you blast away with a critical post, ask yourself these questions:what is my true motive in posting? there’s a difference between making a critical point and pounding your fists on the floor. if all you have to offer is the latter, do not post.
can i back up my criticisms with some evidence and a line of reasoning? when scott rolen struggled early in the 2006 playoffs, we got dozens of angry rants about how rolen is a habitual choker with a longstanding history of playoff failure. those posts were factually untrue and easily disproven; they detracted from the discussion about rolen’s struggles, rather than adding to it. don’t post criticism that you can’t back up; but if you can back it up, bombs away.
does my post attempt to explain why a given player (or the whole team) sucks? to stick with the rolen example: we all got aggravated watching rolen pop out 36 times in a row, so posts like “rolen —DFA that piece of junk” added nothing at all to the discussion. but it did make for good discussion when people advanced theories about why he kept popping up -- “he’s lengthened his stride” or “he’s trying to pull every pitch.” and it made for interesting discussion when people debated whether or not the team should bench him, move him down in the order, or just leave him alone and ride out the slump.
does my post convey a sense of humor? making fun of a player’s (or the team’s) struggles with humor - even bitter, barbed humor - can be entertaining. it helps our collective blood pressure drop; it also demonstrates a healthy and mature sense of perspective.
well what do you know
there is a difference in venting styles though. Who here hasnt vented a little? The trouble is when you go around throwing out insults to other members of the community, not when you vent by saying Ryan Franklin is not a good closer, no? If not I am in big trouble here. I think most if our venting has been in the critical point way and not the infantile rant part.
I will make sure not to use that line anymore
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after this game
I need to go back and watch that Misery thing again. That was GOLD liam
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I will save the others ones
for when I need them. I think I might need them
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Mo has been in contact with Green Bay's GM about getting Brett Favre
He’d probably be an improvement to the bullpen
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he's got the heater of a closer
but what i want to know is, does he have any secondary pitches?
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Dunc will teach him a 2-seamer
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This team needs a bench clearing brawl tomorrow
something needs to happen to wake these guys up
boo cubs, hooray beer
I'd be down for that
But Dunk’s out, I’d want him involved
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I'll bet
tony will get ejected tomorrow if we are losing
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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
GRIT!
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
kmac leads all n.l. relievers in loses?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
what about
appearences?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
LOL
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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely Brilliant!
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i know it's been brought up a million times...
but why isn’t anthony reyes getting a chance to be in this bullpen? it doesn’t look like any deals are coming, so i’m not sure why you even bother with having him start at memphis to increase his value, but then again, i don’t have a law degree…
I think the team should just stand pat & wait for the reinforcements of
Wainwright & Carp & see how they pan out, they may not help at all, albeit for wishful thinking. As BAD as the pen has been to date, you would think that at least a few of the horrible losses that have happened this season would go the other way in our favor as things always seem, or should during the course of a season. This pen IS bad, and I’m not absolving their performance, but these guys should (could) at least be serviceable 1/2 of the time. A few tweeks, especially for a guy like KMac, and maybe it works out without selling the farm for a rental when this year has been kind of a bonus for the fans anyway.
Cheer up everyone!
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Thanks Snowflake
as bad as these last 2 nights have been, at least I am not dying or a Cubs fan.
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Unfortunately, death runs in my family
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mine too, more like a jog though. thankfully
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No disrespect
but I don’t think I’ve ever laughed once at anything Monty Python has ever done. I know people love ‘em, but I just don’t get Brittish humoUr.
Anyway, I cringed at the thought of coming here, and low an behold it was as bad as I thought it would be. Sell off everything, and implode the entire works! Really? Wasn’t “sit tight” supposed to be the plan for this year? And weren’t most VEBers in favor of that plan? I guess I just don’t get the consternation over this. Does it suck? Yeah, but they’ve looked like shit at times this year and then they’ve won games we never thought they’d win. Yet they’re still only 2 games out of first (with the cubs losing in the bottom of the 7th inning) and have still outplayed the best team in the league since the all-star break.
I just don’t get it. Is it a surprise that this team disappoints in really inopportune times? Is it? I guess I had an idea of what this team was at the beginning of the season and while they’ve over-achieved my expectations, and losses like this really disappoint and frustrate me, I still don’t get the point of making fun of LaRussa and DeWitt and Mo. This team had holes from day one and I though we all knew what they were. Too many holes to adequately fix in one offseason which is why I think we all accepted the “sit tight” mentality (which I though we all felt was actually a breath of fresh air?). Btw, cubs now down 5-1.
Whatever. I’m going to bed. And I’ll sleep fine because I know that in the morning, when I wake up the Cards will be at worst 3 games out of first. I can deal with that.
Oh. and at the time of this writing, Lou is going to the pen AGAIN still trying to get out of the 7th inning.
I believe 'sell off' at the deadline
was part of the original plan. Atleast, I know that if we weren’t contenders…that was my hope.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 23, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It's hit or miss
People either love British humor or hate it. I’m a fan. Particularly Monty Python’s Philosopher’s football match
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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Actually, I think there was one thing I thougth was funny
but I was a kid, so not sure I would anymore. It was like an Olympics (obastacle course type thing?) with guys in suits walking funny. Wait….was that the Kids in the Hall? Hmmm. I think it was MP. Course, the more I think about it, it doesn’t sound funny to me anymore. So, it was probably more of a case of me being a kid and thinking the silly walks were funny.
Can we get Reggie Sanders back
just so that after tough loses like tonight, he can engage the entire stadium in a ‘smiling contest’?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
amazing
simply amazing
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Well at least the Cubs are getting taken to the woodshed
by the Snakes again. Maybe we shouldn’t give up just yet….at least for the wild card..because the Cubs are not showing they can win on the road….and check out their September schedule.
how can u be overconfident as a cub fan?
yet most I meet are…
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
not you
but if you were a cub fan wouldnt you be fearing a collapse…yet most i meet are so confident yet they are already starting to waver..(team)
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Yeah I agree
When the Brewers got Sabathia they became a whole different team and they are playing like it. The Cubs are showing they have a hard time scoring on the road and are not running away with the Central by no means now. I really don’t think they are too worried about us (The Cards) because even Stevie Wonder can see our bullpen is killing this team… But they had better be worried about the Brewers…who have become a mighty hungry team. I think the Brewers will win the Central. With the Cubs road game heavy September schedule they might not even make the playoffs and the Wild Card could come from the NL East.
if that event happens i will laugh hard
cause this guy at work was all over confident..razzing me..im just like 100yrs,1908..etc..or my favorite debate is talkign to me after they win #10 WS
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
I can see them blowing it in September
because you know the pressure will be on them BIG TIME to make the playoffs with all the money they spent. If they let the Brewers get a decent lead on them in early Sept. I can see them start to panic and crumble.
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