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Game 102 Open Thread -- July 22, 2008

Adam1_tiny by chuckb on in News Comment 312 comments

suppan

lohse

5-6, 4.71

12-2, 3.35

When the Cardinals signed Jeff Suppan after the 2003 season, he was just about to turn 29. When the Cards signed Kyle Lohse, he had turned 29 just a couple of months prior. It’s amazing how similar they were. Though Suppan had recently been Dfa’d by the Sox after a bad couple of months following the trade from Pitttsburgh, he had a fairly decent pedigree. He had thrown more than 200 innings in 5 straight seasons w/ ERA+s of 111, 103, 111, 93, and 106. He was never a standout – his career K/9 is 5.04 and he had given up an average of 29 homers per year in those 5 years before being signed by the Cards.

Still, he was a steady hand when the Cards needed one. He had worked more than 1000 innings in those 5 years and had made at least 31 starts in every one of those 5 seasons. There’s something to be said for a guy who can take the ball and pitch a decent, though probably not outstanding, game every 5 days – and Suppan filled that role admirably for 3 seasons. He didn’t rack up the innings as a Cardinal – partly due to being in the NL and having to be pinch-hit for at times, and partly b/c Tony LaRussa was his manager. Nevertheless, he made 31, 32, and 32 starts in his 3 seasons w/ the birds on the bat.

This offseason the Cards signed Kyle Lohse to, in some degree, play the same role that Jeff Suppan played while a Cardinal. Entering this season, Lohse had pitched more than 178 innings in 5 of the last 6 years. The only season he made fewer than 30 starts was in 2006 – ironically, the season Jeff Suppan helped the Cardinals to a World Championship. Now, Lohse wasn’t quite as effective in his pre-Cardinal days as Suppan was but he was, decidedly, league-average. After becoming a free agent, Lohse never received the multi-year offer he sought and, in fact, was a free agent until March. John Mozeliak signed him to team-friendly, 1 year, $4.25 million contract.

Lohse is now 12-2 w/ a 3.35 ERA. His FIP is 3.85. Though his K rate is pretty low, his GB % and BB/9 are as good as they’ve been in his career. There might be a little luck involved as he’s giving up just 1 HR for every 13.3 flyballs he gets but maybe that has as much to do w/ his pitching in a relative pitcher’s park rather than the homerun bandboxes he’s pitched in for the bulk of his career. Lohse has been absolutely outstanding and, while he was wanted by nobody this offseason, he seems to be making himself a lot of money w/ this year’s performance. Oh yeah – his #1 comp for pitchers through age 28 – Jeff Suppan. Here’s hoping that Lohse can have the postseason impact that Suppan had while he was here.

BTW, in what has to qualify for the bizarre acquisition so far this season, the Astros today traded for Randy Wolf. They couldn’t possibly get anybody better than Wolf b/c they’ve decimated their farm system w/ a series of bad drafts, free agent signings, failures to sign players they did draft, and trades for Miguel Tejada and Jose Valverde. They’re going to go for it this year despite their 46-53 record and 5th place in the NL Central standings. They’re 12 games behind the Cubs and 10 behind both the Cards and Brewers. In 2 years, the franchise that, until recently was the Cards’ equal in the division and the league, will likely be the worst in baseball.

I’ll get overflow threads programmed to go up at 8:15 and 9:30. There was a lot of traffic last night and I hope the same is true tonight. Hopefully it’ll be all cheers as the home team gives Suppan a rude return from the DL. The fans, I know, will treat him well.

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I do enjoy when HC talks about Lohse

for BleedCubbieBlue reasons.

Eventhough I’d prefer the Cubs to not make the playoffs, I would bask in the glory of Lohse winning NLCS Game 7 in a complete game shutout, just so Al would have to eat his hat.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He wrote a column

mocking me when I wrote about what a good signing Lohse was. Something like, “this guy believes that Lohse is actually a good pitcher!!!” Hardy-har-har. Thanks, Hardcore, for bringing it up. Actually, it’s the 2nd or 3rd time I’ve referred back to my post. I’m gloating a little (though I didn’t think Lohse would be anywhere near this good.)

by chuckb on Jul 22, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He mocked HC's claim

at the time that Kyle Lohse was a good signing.

If Kyle Lohse pitched for the Cubs, he would be the third best pitcher on the staff by a wide margin.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did not know Lohse was drafted byt he Cubs

that makes this story a little bit sweeter

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fsn

fsn is showing highlights of every cards blown saves

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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is?

I just talked to someone at the game on the phone and they said it wasn’t raining.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he was being sarcastic

due to the incredibly large amount of blown saves we have, it would take a few hours to show them all

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep :)

Sorry for the confusion Hardcore

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THAT WAS JUST PAINFUL

so much so I didn’t even bother to get off the all caps. It was worthy!

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

23 blown saves could take a while

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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we have only converted 23 of 58 saves

I wonder where that ranks among league averages

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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correction 25 converted 23 blown

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was U G L Y

and very hard to watch

please, whoever is in charge of baseball, GOB’s or whoever, please make it stop

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Record?

What is our record in games where the ‘pen has blown a save?

by bgh on Jul 22, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We've won 9 and lost 18 I think

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does that math work?

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by Molina4MVP on Jul 22, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posted earlier this week

that Cards had multiple BS in several games

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea.

won 9 and lost 18=27 games. isn’t that too many?

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by Molina4MVP on Jul 22, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

overall we are 9-12

in ‘saves’ blown before the ninth we are 6-5

in saves blown in the 9th or later we are 3-7

by vances law on Jul 22, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks!

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trivia from the Braves game

Luis Gonzalez is one of 3 active players with at least 250 HRs and 500 2Bs. Name the other two. No cheating!

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ARod and Chipper?

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Griffey and Manny?

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody's right so far...

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know the answers...

now that I looked them up. I never would’ve gotten it. 500 doubles is tough!

by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah that's the thing

Both the Braves announcers and myself were thinking HR hitters like Griff, but you need to focus more on the 500 doubles, because there’s only a few

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Possibly

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta be

Piazza is inactive, right? Or, is he in Japan? I can’t remember.

by bgh on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't have 500 doubles

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kent, pudge, gonzo

btw, both pitchers in that game are throwing no no’s

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posada

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vlad and Giambi?

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Barry Lamar?

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by Molina4MVP on Jul 22, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting note on Suppan...

He’s replaced approximately 10% of his pitches that used to be fastballs with sliders (per fangraphs)

by AndyB83 on Jul 22, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally rediculous trade...

If Oswalt gets healthy again they should move him, Berkman, and Valverde. That’ll net them some pieces. Then trade Wandy and Pence next year.

Anyway, that team was blatantly run into the ground.

by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they are planning on moving the team to Portland

You don’t want to see Drayton in a cardboard bikini …um Drayton cardboarded in bikini tear-offs

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

at this point, they might as well firesale

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd have taken Wolf for Reyes

Seems to me A. Reyes would have as much or not more value than what the Padres got from Houston for Wolf. Cards need a left-handed arm, period. Wolf isn’t great, but he’s decent. Plus, he’s a vet which would make TLR happy. At worst he could have filled a role as a bullpen guy/spot starter, although I’m sure Wolf may well have considered that a demotion and may think he’s better than that (which I’m not so sure). Nonetheless, I feel it would have been a good pickup on the cheap for St. Louis for a playoff run. I’m kinda disappointed GM Mo wasn’t able to make such a deal. Relying on Carpenter and Wainwright as that “second half booster” has to be somewhat of a letdown within the clubhouse.

by RedbirdattheBeach on Jul 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or even Jon Rauch

Considering the state of our bullpen. For the caliber of player it took to get Wolf and Rauch, doesn’t it make you wonder if Mo is even trying? Seems like we have this level of player/prospect to have been able to add one or both of these pitchers who in my estimation would have been helpful additions to the pitching staff.

by RedbirdattheBeach on Jul 22, 2008 9:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

win expectancy finder for 1 run games in 9th

I found it interesting that the win expectancy in the classic closer setting—9th inning, no one on, no out, up by one is only 86.6% for the home team and a mere 81.2% for the visitors.

for 2 run leads and above the numbers are 95%+

by vances law on Jul 22, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

I’d imagine that needing two or more hits is the reason.

by bgh on Jul 22, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lets go kyle

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 22, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

geesh Kyle

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's more like it Kyle

nice K

hopefully you are correct

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stupid weeks

no more homers

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 22, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa

Loooooong out to start the game. The Gameday dot is over the wall

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First 1-2-3 inning of the series

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Dunc

I think I’ll enjoy this game more tonight.

by ccthemovieman on Jul 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate it when people talk about their Fantasy teams

but I just have to brag about the Furcal and Posada for Cole Hamels trade I pulled off 3 weeks into the season.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

luddy

BOOYAH

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 22, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

L U D!!!!

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luddy!!!!!!!!

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by Bahamaredbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That Luddy is alright

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see?

I’d knew I’d enjoy this more with Luddy than Duncan!

by ccthemovieman on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that is what kills me

Ludwick sat for a guy who has had a bad neck for several days?

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know...

If he was slumping, or tired, I could see him getting a rest. But it just seems almost arbitrary. And the offense that Duncan would provide even in a best case scenario isn’t any better than what Ludwick would provide.

by DiscoJer on Jul 22, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ludwick feels well-rested

Thanks for the days off, LaRussa.

Now stop sitting him already.

by mojowo11 on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pujols wants 500 doubles

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He'll get there

Sooner rather than later

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And just think

If Duncan didn’t have a bulging disk in his back, Luddy probably wouldn’t even be in this game

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert with another double

ho hum

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He missed it

We need homers!

(sarcasm)

by bgh on Jul 22, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Pujols squares a ball perfectly and rifles a ball to the wall in left-center. And the sun rises. And the sun sets.

by mojowo11 on Jul 22, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but

this is how I know all is still right in the world

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At BP on Saturday

He just hit line drives in the left and right gaps for about a dozen straight pitches before deciding to jack some out of the park. It was majestic to watch.

by bgh on Jul 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ludwick

doesn’t get much better than that.

by azruavatar on Jul 22, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing about that Wolf trade

is that it continues the trend of these trades not really involving very interesting prospects. Maybe a bullpen upgrade would be possible without giving away anything significant.

by StanTheManFan on Jul 22, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on who, IMO

Fuentes will cost a ton, but if it’s someone nobody’s talking about, maybe we can fleece their GM

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We've got to lead the league

in 1st inning runs

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TAKE SOME PITCHES

kidding

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, hey....

You forget. We POUND Sheets. Let’s just hope we continue that trend

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which reminds me...

How much money do we have laying around for next year? Sheets will be on the market…

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh

we beat good pitchers more than we beat crappy pitchers

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it certainly seems that way

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if we were soldiers in a war

I’d hope you weren’t on my side

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

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by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ank is too fast for that

rbi

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

today is my lucky day

I turn on fox sports midwest just in the off chance that the game might be on, and I see Ludwick hit a home run

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice wheels Ricky

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by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can Soup throw it high and hard enough

for Ank to miss

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

guess not

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on 9 pitches!

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice break

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by jjwp on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RUN RICK

RUN YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And here comes rAlly Killer

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

News from Dan

The Cardinals win games when they score runs.

[/stupid]

by azruavatar on Jul 22, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah and they lose them when the bullpen blows up

shocking

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by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was watching the Master's a few years ago

One of the announcers said “You know, you can make putts on these greens if you have good speed and get the line right.” The other announcer was like “I’m pretty sure that holds true for most greens.”

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Hubie Green once said

“Ninety percent of putts you leave short don’t go in.”

by Red in Chicago on Jul 22, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AK didn't get the "swing at the 1st pitch" message

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

these stats

card are so-and-so when so-and-so. Puhleeze.

BTW, Cards are 4-0 when Al takes a dump five minutes before the game against the Brewers.

by ccthemovieman on Jul 22, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little bad news to start the night

Colby Rasmus injured himself on a check swing in the first inning of the Memphis game tonight. Not sure how bad it is.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soup must still be hurt...

no way he gives up a hit to someone like Pujols if his elbow is right…

I

by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah

This just isn’t a game 7

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sheets & Sabbathia

Where do you think they’ll wind up next year? Seriously…....any idea?

by ccthemovieman on Jul 22, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yankees will get one of them

there is no way they let them both get away

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are the Cubs freeing up any money next year?

I am always amazed at how their payroll just goes up and up and up

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope, a bunch of salaries will be escalating next year most likely

so i’d imagine they even have less money. But money is no object over there, so it won’t stop them.

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about Harden?

I didn’t notice, did they get him for next year, too? Or just rental?

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea, they have him next year

his salary escalates as well, hopefully he’ll spend the year on the DL

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

but they will just continue to spend. They will have a new owner by Opening Day.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a great start

he’s hitting his spots so far

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by jjwp on Jul 22, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

total command of what he wants to do

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

forget the stats

I really do want them to extend him.

by azruavatar on Jul 22, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This may sound stupid

But I’m worried that he’s pitched this well this season because he has a chip on his shoulder because nobody wanted to sign him. In other words, if we extend him for a couple of years, he could get back into his “relaxation zone” (for lack of a better term) and revert. I’m not against extending him, but I’m not for it either.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would take my chances

I think Kyle has finally found his groove. That ,plus the fact he makes 30+ starts a year and is never hurt ,makes me want to jump on the extend him bandwagon

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See: Hampton, Mike

Billed as a super durable pitcher. You cannot predict these things.

by DriverZn on Jul 22, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me too

I’ve got a good feeling about doing that

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do, too

I’m really, really hoping we re-sign him.

by ccthemovieman on Jul 22, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KYLE LOHSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SIGNED BY NOW!

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!

TAKE A BREAK.

/Kilcoyne

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by Alxfritz on Jul 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lohse is Jesus!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the record

Sheets all-time vs. STL:

24 G
5-14
4.28 ERA

Sabathia all-time vs. STL

2 G
1-0
4.63 ERA

More splits with better stats at the following links:

Sabathia
Sheets

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like making up my own stats myself

easier to support my arguments

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 22, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when was the last time we faced Sabathia?

My guess would be with one of our juggernaut teams in 04 or 05?

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We played CLE in '06

At the tail end of one of our trademarked 8-game losing streaks. Not sure if we faced him then

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right

i forgot about that, i think we did face him

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One start against us in '01, one in '06

The one in ‘01 was pretty bad, the one in ‘06 was dominant

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, he dominated us in 06

8 IP, 5 H , 1 ER

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glaus

has always hit him well, for what it’s worth.

by liam on Jul 22, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go Schu

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heads up baserunning

"Heh, Heh, Heh, Heh" -Mike Shannon

by jjwp on Jul 22, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My man-crush aside

Skip can PLAY!

Most of you said he couldn’t hit.. he’s hitting..

Most of you laughed when Tony said he was an above-average defender.. now he’s showing that.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, he can hit

As long as it’s not a lefty. Don’t get me wrong, I love Skippy too. But those numbers don’t lie

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right..

I should have clarified.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just as long as we're on the same page :-)

cause I also LOVE to see Skip’s name in that #1 spot

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skip + Joe Mather

is a really good platoon. Better than Duncan/Barton.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 22, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skip's always had a very good defensive reputation

Although the game early last year when he lost one in the lights and almost took it in the coconut sullied it quite a bit.

by liam on Jul 22, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harsh

you said it yourself… lost in the lights.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought it was unfair

but it did look very bad.

I’m a fan of Schumaker, have been since his first call-up.

by liam on Jul 22, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at that game

and that play was glorious

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another K for Luddy

but they are totally worth it

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stat question.....

Does anybody know of a place to find a team’s record when scoring a certain number of runs? IE – STL is 0-10 when scoring zero runs, 1-5 when scoring 1 run, and so on? How about for either all NL teams in total, or all NL teams individually?

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 22, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not sure

but that would be interesting to look at

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by jjwp on Jul 22, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lohse is a free agent in my fantasty league

I’m absolutely stacked when it comes to pitching (Hamels, Lackey, Verlander, Lester, Beckett, Wainwright) but I just can’t stand seeing him without a team.. it’s not right!

Should I pick him up?

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raconteur- ed wade

in response to your response…The positive side of ed wade in philly was his drafts. There was an in depth look at him here and mlbtraderumors.com..

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by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh ok

I was not aware he was with Philly, he hasn’t been nearly as good in Houston

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya

he drafted Utley,and Howard I believe, plus burrell

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert

TAKE A FREAKING WALK

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

87 MPH fastballs are just too tempting

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously

but he helps his team more by taking a walk and not swinging at what was ball 4 and making an out

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would've been helpful

if he’d hit it out. Before that swing, he was 6 for 7 with a HR on 3-0 counts.

by liam on Jul 22, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man, if Rick doesn't take Soup deep today, i'd be shocked

he is throwing pitches right in Rick’s wheelhouse

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't hit anything above the waist

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whereas Yadi. . .

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

obviously Rick didn't know that last week

when hit that one at his…right below his pits out of the park

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its a free week

of “Extra Innings” trying to get more subscribers….You’ll get a few more days of it.

by ccthemovieman on Jul 22, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool

I’ll check that out too

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's the same thing!

didn’t realize fox had such a monopoly going on with baseball

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glaus is making Prince Fielder

look like a midget

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a short fat

midget

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they were saying 5'11"

but I think they were fibbing a little bit there

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PS

that’s why I like baseball (one reason anyway): you have every kind of body type etc. John Kruk and Ozzie Smith played competitively in the same game!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt Stairs has the physique of a beer league softball player

and he’s a pretty damn good hitter.

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's hillarious

people will say baseball is retarded because the players don’t look like true athletes. but they ignore most of the players and focus on guys like Stairs, Kruk, Sabatthia, etc.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pop and son Fielder

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doesn't yadi

always hit pitchers he used to catch?

by jeff_abs on Jul 22, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wainwright

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wainwright is mine

but Yadi is up there

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by Raconteur on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've got

his old school, number 41 T-shirt jersey.

by liam on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dunno

I’m actually downloading last nights game to look chart Motte’s innings. haven’t been listening to the streaming video of today’s game.

by azruavatar on Jul 22, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's going to be a Yankee

according to the sages at MLBTraderumors.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good

I see no need for him to be a Cardinal anyway

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ankiel and Pujos tied

with Yadi and Wainwright a close second

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only Cards jersey ever

is Yadi’s 2006 World Series home jersey.

by Don Zero on Jul 22, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only jersey

is Jimmy E 2006 WS. Go figure. Still love him

by voltronchris on Jul 22, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one of the most underrated players in baseball

from an unproven biast opinion

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

and he’s getting better each year!

by ccthemovieman on Jul 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

very underrated, he’s always been a clutch hitter, and he’s turning into a leader type of guy

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YADI!

SWEEET STROKE YOUNG MAN!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

u done?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

I have to be back up there at 0800 for the primary Hurricane response team, should this storm cause any havoc further down the TX coast.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh so will u be on later

and u are allowed to use reg time with me

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by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reg time

that is reg time. you civilians have it backwards. lol

and, yeah, I’ll be on, til midnight at the latest.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 22, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

k ill be on earlier

it will be an early night for the girls

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by punchinjudy on Jul 22, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, Kyle

time to help yourself w/the bat

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by gocards62 on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Am I wrong

or was Albert quoted as saying Yadi would hit .300 this year?

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like there was a quote from a couple of years ago

The season when Yadi hit like .010 and Albert said something like “he’s going to be a good hitter one of these days”

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 22, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno

I think that Lohse might be my favorite Cardinal

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2008 9:05 PM EDT