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Game 101 Open Thread -- July 21, 2008

Adam1_tiny by chuckb on in News Comment 551 comments

The Brewers began the year as the only other team in the majors batting the pitcher 8th but have since changed their minds, moving Jason Kendall and his sterling 76 OPS+ to the 8 hole and the pitcher back to the bottom. The team is right behind the Cards offensively – averaging 4.73 runs per game to the Cards 4.78. They’ve been a little better at home on offense while the Cards have been much better on the road. I guess we should expect more offense if this were being played in Miller Park, huh?

Like the Cards, the Brewers have had some troubles on the mound. Presently, they’re again just behind the Cards, yielding 4.46 runs per game to the Cards 4.45. Their bullpen ERA is 4.20, just ahead of the Cards’ 4.21 which put the two teams at 10th and 11th in the NL, respectively. The Brewers Defensive Efficiency Ratio is .697 to the Cards’ .698. They’re 1 game behind in the standings (even in the loss column) and their Pythagorean record is 51-47 to the Cards’ 53-47 – again, even in the loss column. Both teams are exactly 4 games better than their Pythagorean records say they should be. Sounds like two extremely evenly matched teams.

Historically, this has been a team that has struggled away from home but their 24-26 record so far this year is 4th best in the NL. The Cards are 30-21 at home (and are, incidentally 27-22 – best in the NL on the road).

Tonight’s starter for the Brew Crew is Seth McClung – a guy who’s become one of two pawns in the Brewers' Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde experiment.  They are platooning starting pitchers -- starting Dave Bush at home and McClung on the road.  Bush has been awful on the road and solid at home while the reverse is true for McClung.  This experiment is based, partly, on McClung's 40 whole innings in Milwaukee and 35.2 innings on the road.  Uhhh...small sample size anyone?  Maybe it's based more on Bush's splits who, at least, has a pretty sizable home/road split for his career -- involving 390 and 345 innings, respectively. 

McClung does walk too many and has given up too many homers but has struck out 7.7 per 9 IP. His GB% of 40.2% is low and very similar to his career numbers. If it’s warm tonight, the Cards could get some balls in the seats. Tomorrow it’ll be Suppan and then their big boys, Sabathia and Sheets. And, in case you missed it, the Brewers have a new man at the keystone to go along w/ their new ace as they added Ray Durham yesterday. Let’s win this one, boys. The pitching matchups only get tougher from here.

mcclung

pineiro

5-5, 4.16

3-4, 4.52

P.S. There is, apparently, no picture of Seth McClung on file -- thus, the X. I mean this as no intentional slight towards Mr. McClung and will take full responsibility should this insult lead to a Brewers' wipeout of the Cards tonight. Please Cards and (gulp!) Mr. Pineiro! Please bail me out!!!!

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Go Cardinals!

by pujols05 on Jul 21, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why

did you white out the picture (sarcasim)

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineups per Gameday

MIL

Weeks 2B
Hardy SS
Braun LF
Fielder 1B
Hart RF
Hall 3B
Cameron CF
Kendall C
McClung P

STL

Schumaker RF
Miles 2B
Pujols 1B
Ankiel CF
Glaus 3B
Duncan LF
Molina C
Pineiro P
Izturis SS

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 6:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet!

McClung is my 4th cousin. Let’s beat him!

by KeepOnRolen on Jul 21, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When's the last time you saw him?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only met him twice.

3-4 years ago at his family’s ranch in West Virginia

by KeepOnRolen on Jul 21, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to live in WV

Charleson, to be exact. I wouldnt have figured there to be much ranch land in WV

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th Cousin

Hey, how are you Seths cousin? I know him very well.

by RUSHPREZ on Jul 21, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone know if

The Cubs game will be on WGN tonight?

by pujols05 on Jul 21, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't appear that way

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good evening

biggest series of the year. let’s do it!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

biggest series on the year

so far…...

/simpsons movie

by FunkeeC on Jul 21, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well played

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just seen on FSMW feed...

Ryan Braun is the #1 Cardinals killer this year at .485. Let’s pitch to him with nobody on 3 times tonight and that’s it!

by stlfan on Jul 21, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Usually

I can love playing the likes of the Reds, Brewers, and Pirates,

But man, its seems like I have angst everytime we play someone from our division.

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 21, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait wait

is EA on ESPN tonight?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

doubtful

i haven’t seen her to a fly over state monday night game in a while

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just kidding...

(or just figured it out.)

by stlfan on Jul 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

got a question for you guys

Are Tom and Matt Pagnozzi related?

by pujols05 on Jul 21, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

slightly OT

Tommy Herr’s son plays for the Reds’ AAA team in Louisville… an infielder, but shorter and heavier than dad, and not as talented.

by the Tewk on Jul 21, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was

a springfield card a couple years ago

"I wouldn’t have seen it if I hadn’t believed it.’" ~Shannon

by sprfldcard on Jul 21, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whose doing the game on ESPN?

i figure it’s steve phillips so i didn’t even bother to look.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

or orel (sp?)

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and orel

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

him along with hershiser & oneil

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't stand any of 'em

thank god i can still have my dan and al in HD

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

that’s so much better

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

total flop by skippy.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yuck

Not pretty Schu

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dude is fast

seriously

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let Iz2 take care of him

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or get him to ground out

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure,

my dad always told me i had the perfect face for radio

big prince is down 0-2

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...

First pitch flyout by Weeks. Double to left by Hardy. Ground out to short by Braun. Fielder at 1-2 right now.

by stlfan on Jul 21, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 yadis = 2 princes?

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh

no. I dont care if prince fat ass is veggan he is still huge

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 21, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just shows

that heredity is just as much or more apt to determine the body type of someone

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now i have the spin doctors in my head.

thanks very much.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you, want to call me baby

just go ahead now

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No People in the Seats!

I know it’s an early start and all…but c’mon St. Louis. Show up early after the walk-off grand salami by GRIT yesterday.

by stlfan on Jul 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's 120 degrees outside

cut em a little slack

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im in houston and I teed off at 1:30 today

they should be in the seats – but no sports franchise is worse about that than our rockets.

by rlgosnell on Jul 21, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well down in HTown dont you get a breeze off the gulf?

i’m also curious, do you have the humidity that the STL has? i always thought texas had more of a dry heat humidity wise

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

houston is 95-100 and 100% humidity from may to september

no theres no breeze. we’re 40 miles from the gulf and theres so much damn concrete everywhere that it fries the air if there is.

by rlgosnell on Jul 21, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reason #234893475

I would never live in Houston

"It's such a beautiful sport, with no politics involved, no color, no class. Only as a youngster can you play and as a pro can you win. The game has kept me young, involved and excited and for me to be up here with gems of baseball"- Jack Buck

by CurtainCall on Jul 21, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mlb.tv you mean?

the answer is yes

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

er, at least in nyc.

should probably qualify that.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

javascript:launchGameday({gid:’2008_07_21_milmlb_slnmlb_1’,mode:’gameday’})

by pujols05 on Jul 21, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2-2 to big prince

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CB Buckner

Is horrible. Good calls on Fielder there…they were balls…but overall…horrible. (sorry for the ellipses).

by stlfan on Jul 21, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ball 3 was clearly a ball

it was on the white of the RH batters box

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got through Braun and Fielder once

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

run prince run

i think 5 grits=one fielder

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice start, Joel!

Need six more like that, but please feel free to omit/delete the one out double.

by fuegophil on Jul 21, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is gameday right, 5 changeups to Fielder?

cajones there.

Hasta la vista, vaqueros

by random on Jul 21, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good start!

is mcclung afraid of skippy for some reason?

by djones9 on Jul 21, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Skippy got a 5 pitch walk Juan

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mini Me K's on a check swing

Albert is up

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dangit, he went...

(Miles, strikeout on a check swing)

by stlfan on Jul 21, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that def wasnt a grand slam swing

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles

you used up your luck in your last at bat. so now it’s time for a K

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

go APu!!!!

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you dont piss off albert

you wont like him when he’s angry

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very high and tight

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right at his face

he had to back away

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some chin music for Albert

he fouled the next one off, 1-1

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McClung

playing with fire with that high & tight one….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and even if he gets away with it here

by the third time AP’s up he might have a big surprise waiting for him….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Ned yost

really want to play that game again

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2009

he’s being forced out

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

it’s been planned for awhile. he wants to retire.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not really true

he doesn’t want to quit. NBC jumped the gun trying to lock up conan & promised him Jay’s gig.

i dont really thing he’ll leave, but we’ll see. he does not want to quit, but NBC will own Conan $40 Million if Jay stays.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

conan o brian

this is like year old news peole

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watch as little TV as possible

It’s great, I’m always behind when people are talking about celebrities.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert hits a slow roller to SS

force at 2nd, Albert was safe at 1st

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

way to go Ank!

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mcclung looks wild tonight...

i hope we can take advantage

by djones9 on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice hit ank

solid liner over the SS

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ank tagged that one

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no

but i’m now recording the encore on ESPN2 just to see her.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll be glad.

low cut dress – lots of camera time on the pre-show

by rlgosnell on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

i know what i’m watchin after the game.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said it man

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rick singles to center

Albert to second

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

booyah santa

2 run double off the center field wall

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Glaus!!

You’re the boss!!

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

alright troy

keeps getting better and better

by mbd1mbd1 on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glaus hits a double

2-0 good guys

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you?

or the chi sox hack?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ankiel just about runs over Pujols who practically stops halfway down the third base line. What is he (Albert) thinking?

by DarkHelmut on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok Duncan

show us you should be in the lineup today. cuz I’m clueless about that

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

match-ups

dunc is favored over luddy today

plus you want luddy for the next three pitchers the brew crew is going to throw at us

by BirdsonFire on Jul 21, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha

nice pitch

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually

Kendall looked like he was in slow motion trying to catch that one

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DUNK gournds out to 2nd

he sucks

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitching coach

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not fucking true

and as always it’s still a stupid fucking argument.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

everybody on this board

is so reactive. I’d hate to play for a lot of these people….if I have one off-day BAM I’m DFA’d.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

but he has been consistently bad for so long now, that their is no justification for him to remain on this roster

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

that Ludwick should be playing over Duncan. But I don’t think the only reason he has a job is because of Dave. I’d like to see Duncan traded, but as long as he’s on the ML roster he’s going to play occasionally.

Maybe Ludwick could use a day off? TLR spells his starters every so often. Plus it’s hot as hell right now, if you hadn’t noticed…..

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think you can't count out nepotism as a factor for him being on the roster

not with as close as dave duncan and tony la russa are. Also, if you recall Dave Duncan’s reaction when Chris was sent to Memphis, and now Mozeliak is unwilling to send him back down, further makes me believe that it atleast plays a small part

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you mean, I can't count it out?

He came back up cause Pujols got hurt like a week after he got sent down.

Do you have any actual evidence or are you just going to allege things?

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize that's why he came back up

but why hasn’t he been sent back down then now that Pujols is healthy? He isn’t producing at a much better clip than last time he got sent down.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mather is a better play, in my opinion, but i'll give way to TLR on that because I know he wants a lefty bat

but the fact remains, Duncan should not get starts over Ludwick

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right that duncan shouldn't play over ludwick

but ludwick has become pretty much an everyday player. maybe it’s a day off.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2-2 to Mr Sunglasses at night

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Corey Hart

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corey Hart

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

echo

echo

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great snag Skip!

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Skippy with a heck of a catch in the right field corner

that sun is BR U TAL out there

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

some nasty sun out there

tough play

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

schu!

I got a good feeling about tonight. Gotta get this series off to a good start.

by mbd1mbd1 on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good work skip

barry bonds does not catch that.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mr Bonds does not play right either

just sayin :-)

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

point taken.

‘course, the flip side of that coin is that skip does.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats funny

because he does not run after it either considering NOBODY wants him

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 21, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morning, VEB nation. 6:30 in the am, only slightly hung over and great way to start the day. Go Birds!

Only 23 more outs

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

some one just singled to left

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope we get such a lead

that we don;t have to see Izzy tonight.

by pujols05 on Jul 21, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doubt we'd see him anyways

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't have a big enough lead with on the Brew Crew

they can mash

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly

how much better is fielder, hart, hardy than ankiel, luds and glaus?

by rlgosnell on Jul 21, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean braun?

if you’re bringing fielder into it, i’m bringing pujols.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would consider braun and pujols close to a wash

obviously albert is superior in every facet, but they’re close

by rlgosnell on Jul 21, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glaus doing it with the leather too

Best defense in baseball :)

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

atta kid glaus

saved a run prob

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rolen who?

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

holy smokes!

man am i glad we got Troy

hot shot to 3rd, he snags it & doubles off the runner at 1st

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm too lazy to look...

do we get CCSab on Tues or Wed or Thurs?

by the Tewk on Jul 21, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Soup tomorrow
Sabitha Wed
Sheets Thurs

by pujols05 on Jul 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not looking forward to that...

i live in SF and was at the giants-brewers game friday night. CC was utterly dominant. (though fortunately our lineup is…well…just a bit better than SF’s)

by djones9 on Jul 21, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yadda hits a deep fly to left center

1 out

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joel singles to right

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Nicely done, Dan. Called that one.

by mojowo11 on Jul 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who said Pineiro couldn't hit

Nice line drive

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hit-and-run

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey look

it’s the real santa!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or the bass player for ZZ Top

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by the look of it,

zz top is before FATHER time.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is ZZ Top really that old?

the 80’s were not that long ago were they?

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really.

i just meant by the LOOK of it. believe me, there’s some zz on my ipod.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

careful young man

be very very careful

aren’t you like 22?

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D

A

M

N

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heck yes

and i’m only 30

you suck

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not even close

Tres Hombres came out in ‘73.

Hasta la vista, vaqueros

by random on Jul 21, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IZ2 gounds to the pitcher on a hit & run

Joel at 2nd, 2 out

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's funny

can Pineiro actually steal bases?

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

says a lot about Itz' hitting skills

you rarely see a hit and run with a pitcher on first base

by the Tewk on Jul 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see Birds agressive. This team IS fun, no?

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by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

Pinero was looking for home on that one XD

by pujols05 on Jul 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

nice play, prince.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice D over there Fielder

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that was a rocket at prince

ate him up

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn

really? must’ve been really hungry.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was a meat ball

and prince is a veggie only eater

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skippy hits a sharp gounder to Prince

he puts it into right, but Joel has to stop at 3rd

1st & 3rd, two out. Mini Me at the plate

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So

Should I watch this on FSN or ESPN?

by mojowo11 on Jul 21, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

F S N

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FSN

steve phillips is terrible.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN

Dan Schulman is so much better than Dan McCloughlin

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah,

but there’s no EA.

and with Steve & Orel in the booth with Dan, the WWL is unwatchable

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

Hrabosky is pretty bad at times, but he’s better than Steve Phillips.

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

that’s why i’m on FSN. monday nights need more EA

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably can

only watch on FSN in stl

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nope

ESPN gets to go H2H 3 times a year. this is the second time.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mini Me weakly grounds out to Prince

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He used up a week's worth of grit yesterday

he needs to refuel

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClung - 41 pitches

Great strategy to wear him out and get to Brew Crew’s pen

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

especially in a four game series

it would be nice to chase their starter early and work their pen over in the first game….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably just make Bush work

Who should be starting this game anyways.

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fine by me

they started McClung instead for a reason….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

home/road splits

Is Yost somehow related to LaRussa?

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall-McClung-Weeks due up

Let’s go 1-2-3 Pineiro, eh?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bucknor has a very rigid zone tonight

giving no love off the corners

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joel isn't missing by much tonight

that looked really good

slow roller to 3rd, 1 out

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

he’s locating well tonight so far, if he had an ump with a generous zone, he’d have about 3-4 k’s already

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tapper back to the mound by mcclung

2 outs

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn ESPN international has two feeds - one this game, the other the triathalon in South Africa. Guess which one airs in Thailand?

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by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this game?

is that why you’re happy?

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who would want to watch a triathalon in south africa?

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No love at all with this strike zone

all borderline pitches = ball

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

some good pitches not being called strikes

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if

Carp and Waino are able to return to the rotation before the end of the season, Looper, Pineiro, and Welly will be fighting for the 4 & 5 slots. I’m thinking Welly should move to the pen (closing?) and Pineiro (#4) and Loop (#5) should get the rotation slots….thoughts?

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my small voice is with you

I like a hard throwing closer = Welly

by the Tewk on Jul 21, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially

if he has stamina issues….although Loop did too, in 2007, but he seems to be mostly OK so far this year….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...

Man Mike Claiborne is an awful announcer.

by JMedwick on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you eveyone for the play by play

it was really appreciated but i have to run now

Cubs blow

by Where is that Juan guy on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

your welcome

peace

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody else see this?

link

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

funniest part of that article

Cubs drafted a guy named Chris Carpenter in the 3rd round

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

ban ‘em from the postseason!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't seem like a really big deal to be honest

They aren’t the Patriots or anything

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

seems pretty minor. But it also says that the investigation isn’t over with yet, so maybe we don’t know everything.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i know

i was talking out of my ass.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

burn them at the stake!

now that’s talking out your arse

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good work Pineiro

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent

Braun comes up with nobody on in the next inning, that’s always good

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bled Cardinal pink!

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by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I was at that game, it angered me greatly

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially considering

he’s hitting .650 against the Cards this season

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.650 against the Cards this season...

...so far.

/stealing jokes from upthread

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 21, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey!

lol jk
i stole it from the simpsons movie

by FunkeeC on Jul 21, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too late

Simpsons did it!

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well at least ump is consistant

ball 2 looked like strike 3 to me

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ball 2?

ball 1 was borderline, might well have been a strike. GD has ball 2 in the dirt.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm pretty sure that was a hanging curve

it looked like a good pitch, but then again, i’m setting in a lay-z-boy in ohio.

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClung has brushed back Pujols a couple times now

not that I think he meant to right there.

Didn’t we have a bean war with them last year?

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Albert Pujols

He can do everything

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UIBB

should be an official statistic.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That wouldn't be one

The count was full when he took ball 4

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

deal Albert

you are not Lou Brock

please take care of your legs

Sincerely,

VEB

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the sox have manny being manny

we have albert being albert

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ank swings at one over his head

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw the River Bandits play on Saturday

got to see Wallace and Kozma play. Kozma was not having a very good day both defensively and offensively, but Wallace made two great plays at third, although he was too big to get to one that a lot of guys would’ve got to. one of the great plays was a falling into the bleachers catch, and the other he stopped one smoked down the third base line (the one he missed was towards Kozma at shortstop). he was hitting a lot of deep pop fouls to the opposite field. as a team, they got blown out 14-3 by some team called the Wizards. one guy who’s name is escaping me now (starts with a Ph) hit a blast out of the far wall in left center.

couple of funny things: they had two hitters that were in the lineup back to back, called Pupo and Peoples. put them together and I think you get Pujols, heh. also, there was a dizzy bat race where one of the guys ran into the wall and hurt his arm and made a kid cry (the kid was all right though). and the team enters through a patch of corn in left field corner, like Field of Dreams. pretty fun place to see a minor league game.

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Wizards

are from Fort Wayne, IN. Was the batter Tommy Pham? I love that name!

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 21, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's the guy

he crushed one all the way outta the park

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glaus

let’s see a gapper….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rich Harden versus Arizona's lineup tonight

he may get 15 k’s

biggest group of free swingers in the league

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that'd be great for my fantasy team

i somehow managed to land him off waivers in an NL only league.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he'll pitch a perfect 5 innings with all K's

And leave the game

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if it wasn't in Zona i'd agree with you

but those wee little bears can’t win on the road, so i say he wont get passed the 5th. he’ll give up like 4 runs as well.

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know, i saw that almost happen

to Dave Dravecky, and i wouldn’t wish that on any pitcher

even a flub

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shudder

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

that’s one of those things you never forget

i can still remember the cracking his arm made when he threw that last pitch

sicking

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, i didn't mean it literally

i just meant for him to suffer one of his random injuries

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's up to Duncan

to bring in the run

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DunKan? Bets?

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by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chirping in here...

but we really need Joel Pineiro to last at least 7. He’s on a good pace so far – here’s hoping he can keep it up.

Rockin' the Red

by rockin the red on Jul 21, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bring the pain DUNK

bring it like you haven’t brought it all season long

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there's the pain

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

worked it full

finish off the at bat strong

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whoa! how was that not a strike

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that like the "dick-out" rule in golf?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here

link

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the sake of humanity

i’ll say we will forego making Duncan follow that rule

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClung's curve is pretty good tonight

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

unfortunately

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what's worse

A K or that

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AK

at least duncan has a chance to hit a HR or something.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

At least that was a six pitch AB…

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by NoSteroidsHere on Jul 21, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why did the ump look at DUNK after ball 3?

he looked like he asked him if DUNK swung or not.

way show us your power big DUNK*

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He it it out . . . of the box

barely

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by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least we're making McClung pitch

61 thru 3. Next inning probably his last.

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a K you can build upon

Hopefully he gets on a roll this game.

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why is braun's mom such a big deal?

nice K Joel

but seriously, every time you hear about braun, you hear about his mom. whats the big deal?

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

huh

i thought jayson werth’s mom was

by BirdsonFire on Jul 21, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not his mom

dan on FSN said she works for AB out in Cali

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

But have you heard of her?

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, on FSN

on the Big FOX, on the WWL. every time during the all star game when he was brought up, they talked about his mom. i’ve never seen her so i was wondering what the big deal was

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was her best movie by far

and i think she looked great in it

now, not so much

side note, i’d love to find a cougar who dug baseball as much as she did in that movie

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great movie

but I gotta disagree on her looks.

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

glaus is a monster today

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice pitch Joel

better play Troy

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good start, indeed.

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

glaus

is my favorite leatherman tool

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 21, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pineiro

53 pitches thru 4. Not too shabby.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

Three more IP would be extremely nice, especially with a 0R line to go with it.

by fuegophil on Jul 21, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he's got a hit, too!

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danger with Claus being so hot now. North Pole will melt down even faster. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ha!

that was silly as hell, but funny

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know, i'd be OK with that

as long as they found some more oil up there & got gas back down under $2 bucks a gallon

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ready to start pluggin in my car

but then they’ll have to build more nuke plants

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more nukes & more oil

thats exactly what we need

i’m not ready to plug in my car. have you seen the new Dodge Challenger?

i want one. desperately.

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care what I do to my car

as long as it doesn’t cost me fifty bucks a week to get to work.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ride a bicycle dude

I live in Chicago, the only way to go

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you freeze your arse off in the winter?

i dont want to brag, so i’m not going to tell you what i drive. but like nota bene, i’m getting killed at the gas pump

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lug shit around with me everywhere I go

at work it’s tools and ladders and hoses and shit, and then at night it’s the drumset. That don’t fit on the bus….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

I have a guitar amp that I need a van or a truck to haul around. I’ll probably get some kind of used car at some point. unless the electrics come about soon, then I can just go around here. makes sense in the city right now, in the future, probably they will be pretty normal

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean

I drive a frigging VW, it’s not like it’s a guzzler.

Solar or whatever will be powering a hell of a lot more than it is now a whole lot sooner than people think…..

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it will become a necessity soon, probably the next 5 years will see tons of change

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the winter

I just ride a train or a bus. although some brav the winter on their bikes. not me though

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my brother law did that in college so thats why i asked

he’s a big dude though, and the cold doesn’t get to him like it does to a thinner person. but still, it’s the windy city, in the winter. i’d take the L.

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

definitely

I don’t know how many more chicago winters I have in me, even with riding the cta

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now here's the bad news. Elves will apply for unemployment in Missouri. Rudolph to the zoo next to Phil the gorilla.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, don't see that often

Yadi Ks

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

who is the Cardinal’s manager in your reality?

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing the same as in yours

are you from another reality?

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta swing the bat IZ2

that was a right down the middle

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Iz2 is struggling at the plate

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iz2

is just a subpar hitter, period. If there is one deadline trade they make I’d like to see them get an everyday shortstop that can hit AND field.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The signing of Iz2 never really made sense to me

Did you know…

The Traffic Light, the modern day Bra, the Ford Model T, and Instant Coffee have all been invented since the Cubs last won a World Series…

by NoSteroidsHere on Jul 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I jsut figure on an automatic out

when Ix2 is up. This way I am pleasantly surprised once every other game…

Did you know…

The Traffic Light, the modern day Bra, the Ford Model T, and Instant Coffee have all been invented since the Cubs last won a World Series…

by NoSteroidsHere on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Iz2

Did you know…

The Traffic Light, the modern day Bra, the Ford Model T, and Instant Coffee have all been invented since the Cubs last won a World Series…

by NoSteroidsHere on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.171 this month, .408 OPS

UG-LEE

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think we could buy low on Renteria?

I think he’s an NL guy, how low is his stock right now?

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tigers still think they have a WC shot?

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think he's going any where

the Tigers gave up way to much to get him to just let him go this season

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't

But I don’t know what they think.

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty low

he’s been bad at the plate this year IIRC.

Rather than do that, I’d rather see them pick up Grudzy and put (deep breath) Miles at short.

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the pregame thread

in the discussion about the proposed Rasmus-to-A’s blockbuster, I wondered if a Ryan for Ellis deal would be something Beane would be interested in…..

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'd be a lot better

if he’d stopped hitting left handed

of course that would actually take the Cards hitting coach doing his job. and we just can’t have that now can we?

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClung

76 thru 4. Woulda been nice to get somebody on base in that inning, but their pen is going to have to do a minimum of three tonight, maybe four if we can threaten in the bottom of the 5th….

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Top of the order gets to see him once more

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One nice trend of late. With right handers facing us, Kennedy still on the bench. Would that applied to Duncan as well

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon, Joel

Bear down, here. Let’s get outta this inning.

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yuck

This inning could get ugly

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

called it

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda surprised McClung is batting

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

holy hell

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

god

that was destroyed

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK

Weeks? Really?

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and with

the pitcher on with a hit. sucks

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 21, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is currently one of the worst hitters in the major leagues

it’s inexcusable to give up a HR to him

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, WonderBrad

get ready

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Belike Weeks not realy excited about Durham's arrival, but Brewers seem pleased with Joel

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 21, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

doesn't this seem to happen often?

Pinero has a nice couple innings and then has one crappy inning that puts us behind?

by riotmute on Jul 21, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

nearly every time out. He’s not even as effective as Boggs.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 21, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ALWAYS happens

it’s like clockwork

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by Raconteur on Jul 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

switch him w/Thompson

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

noooooooooo

carp, waino, lohse, colonel, looper

by rlgosnell on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God for the Sabathia trade

otherwise the ESPN guys would have NOTHING to talk about.

"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 21, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

every thing is getting smoked off of Joel this inning

crikey dude get a grip!

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bring the fork

Jo-el is done

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by gocards62 on Jul 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Miles

Good thing Ludwick is on the bench for a PH homer later in the game…

by riotmute on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love it how

Pineiro pitches awesome for 4 1/3, then when guys start getting on, all of a sudden a Brewers rally was “inevitable.”

by nota bene on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

every ball but the last one was smoked that inning. its not like he was getting dinked & dunked, he was getting drilled.

to me, its aggravating because he was doing so well, then BAM. the lead is gone.

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would feel just as happy with Boggs or Garcia taking his spot on the roster

and DFAing him. Seriously. Or trade Pineiro to Pittsburgh for a half-dozen dipped maple bats.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 21, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know.

But he should be shipped out with some dineros to cover his Pineiros.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice grab Mini M

the over the shoulder catch is a lot harder than it looks

get the lead back O. don’t fall asleep on us now

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

astros players?

nice start Skippy

muscle up Mini ME

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well i'll tell you, having to watch steak and shake commercials but not being able to go get some

we do have whataburger though. I could do without hearing the Schnuk’s song every other break though.

by rlgosnell on Jul 21, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whattaburger

is my nephew’s favorite fast food chain

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ohio really needs

whataburger, in n out, jack in the box & hardee’s.

i’m sick of McD’s, burger king & wendy’s

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice hit Schu!!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ENOUGH ON THE SABATHIA TRADE, OK!!!!!

"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

how long have they had all this scripted?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I swear they posed Sabathia and Sheets in the dugout

"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 21, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't needs to tell Steve Phillips

Noone cares about all his terrible deals.

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

err Somebody*

combination of 2 thoughts there.

by TheBirds on Jul 21, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where has Albert's power gone?

i had forgotten he hasn’t hit one since 300

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by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Four possibilities

1. It’s mental.
2. It’s physical.
3. It’s random variation.
4. Pitchers aren’t giving him anything to drive.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 21, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overflow thread up

Sorry, guys. I wasn’t expecting 500+ comments by the 5th.

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