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St-louis-cardinals_tiny by stlcardinalsfang on Comment 459 comments

Go Cards ! Go Cards!

Grand slam by Aaron Miles on a 2-1 count!!!! Cards win 9-5!

The Cardinals are late-inning wonders so far in the 2nd half --- 4 runs in the 8th inning the other night, 7 runs after the 8th inning today. But Isringhausen . . . . . great run but it's over, big guy.

Use this thread to talk about whatever you want. That was a helluva game! The team is 14 games over for the first time all year.

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GO MILES!

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Jul 20, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just hit a sac

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

have you tried creating a fan shot?

by adiueordie on Jul 20, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miles!!!

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank god

the other thread was lagging so badly for me.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

walk off grand slam

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

holy crap.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice call

you win a million online bucks

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you call that?

You are in TUNE with the grit!

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was weird.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that

the conversion rate for theoretical to online dollars?

I need to know these things, may start making predictions of my own some day.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

10 theoretical per online….

here’s a site explaining everything….www.conversionrates.com/~theoreticaldollars

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on Jul 21, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm nervous

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Jul 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

for the overflow.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't be afraid to take a walk, Miles

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OH SHIT

GRAND SLAM@!!!!#$#$#

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GRAND SLAM

Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!

by bjork24 on Jul 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

aaronn miles

hahah

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

shades of eckstein.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That

was an awesome game (when Eckstein hit the GS).

So was this one, and even more improbable!

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jesus christ.

i guess the way the rest of that game went, that’s perfect. unfreakingbelievable.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy.

Crap. What a team…offensively, at least!

by glennrwordman on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Woohoo!!!!!

That was just about the most improbable ending for this game I could have thought of. It’s like that walk-off slam by Eck a few years ago.

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that. was. incredible.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i remember that.

it looked like a golf swing.

by adiueordie on Jul 20, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turkey Shooters did it 2006, right?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 20, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

gary bennett beat the cubs in august 2006. it was a sunday nighter.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about that one

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thompson for the win!

They should give that win to Pujols for the plays he made at first in the top of the inning.

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i shat myself..

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Jul 20, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it wasnt that special but...

he said “and that wins the game” before the ball was out yet but when he knew it was deep enough for a sac fly

by StLHugo on Jul 20, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FOUR

GAME
SWEEP

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The sig, ladies.

My gal’s fantasy team is named “Aaron Miles’ Walk-Off Grand Slams”, ironically enough.

Miles in '08

by Zoop on Jul 20, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i love this team

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he threw the bat down.

he knew it as soon as he hit it. sooooo awesome.

by adiueordie on Jul 20, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did

Hopefully rubbing it in for what Baek did

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He pulled a Mang

“Awww jeaw, mang. Joono how we do.”

Miles in '08

by Zoop on Jul 20, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would've loved "a Lawless" there

bat flip over the head

and then moonwalk around the bases while staring at Baek

Pitchers Hit Eighth

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 20, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, Miles sure has been playing inspired baseball

since screwing us out of a win in Pittsburgh. Kudos to him for EARNING his playing time!

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He'll sit tomorrow

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

Miles in '08

by Zoop on Jul 20, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well,

that was a totally substantial ending to what has been an insane series.
I don’t think i’ve been bored during this sweep at all.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome win

but can we please DFA Izzy and fix the bullpen Mo?

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How does dfa-ing Izzy "fix" the bullpen?

You did realize there weren’t too many pitchers left, right?

by Tackle Box on Jul 20, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now let's take it to the Brewers!!

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rewound the DVR

Haven’t seen LaRussa smile like that since Ank’s first HR as an OF>

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good win for the hot people in the stands, too.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a great game to have btw, you should keep the DVD.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another good sign

8 of our 9 runs came in the last 3 innings

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Arthur Rhodes?

to address bullpen issues

Fuentes? Too much.
Marte? Probably too much.

Rhodes or John Grabow from PIT seem to be great fits – give up someone like Reyes or some other player the brass have obviously given up on, and try to make it work.

Pitchers Hit Eighth

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 20, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Grabow is injured

the Pirates are protecting him so that hopefully some team tries to trade for him.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easiest way to improve the bullpen

Either DL or DFA Izzy (I’d prefer the former) and call Mather back up. We don’t need 13 pitchers, but we do need a RH bat to spell Skip.

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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't mind

seeing more of Perez either – but that’s just me

Pitchers Hit Eighth

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jul 20, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perez needs a little more time in Memphis

Work on that slider

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesnt help though the amount of innings they have all thrown

anyone find where the en ranks in IP? or appearences?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kelvin Jiminez' outing today was encouraging

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and gracia did well which is lost in this game

all his haters need to appologize..haha

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at the rate they are lasting in the games

we may need 20!

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 20, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we needed every pitcher for the past 2 games

btw, did they convert Joe Mather to short relief?

by Tackle Box on Jul 20, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really

had more to do with the semi-short appearances our starters were making.

by Tackle Box on Jul 21, 2008 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't argue that point too much

but I will say it is 70-30 short appearances by starters and suckiness of bullpen. There are just some pitchers out in the pen that can’t be effective with even full rest. Flores will have to prove me wrong before I change my mind on him, and Izzy? I love Izzy, but he just about looks done.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 21, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they need either a innings eater or

a pen arm

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was phenomenal

Anyone going to be following the Springfield game? I wouldn’t mind a gamethread for it, seeing as I’ll be listening to the online radio.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

trade talk on ESPN right now

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

update..per phillips

mets looking at Bay…
rays red sox, phils mets looking at fuentes
Tex..maybe to Zona(his opinion), but they just got tony clark what an idiot..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all due respect,

Steve Phillips has about as much credibility as a house fly. There’s a reason he’s a former GM..

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on Jul 20, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HEY!

who edited my wonderful thread!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You should do all the game threads now :P

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was def. the player of the game

He played really well at SS today, too.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

man

i’m glad i got back from riding the bike when i did, i would’ve cried myself to sleep had i missed that walk off. i love that miles did the griffey jr and struck a pose at home plate. the way the guys played today he was bound to win the game.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Padres

deserved that pose after Baek’s little foolishness.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i saw that replay

that was just ridiculous. there was absolutely no excuse for that.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what happened

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jul 21, 2008 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha. GRIT

they hit him with shaving cream . he is being interviewed and it is in his ear, and all down his shirt.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see we took care of an inferior opponent

Now if we could only do that when we play Pittsburgh, gah

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 on offense

but the post-garcia pitching was a problem. felt sorry for izzy, but he just can’t control location consistently-sad. thompson was lucky as hell. nice spirit, questionable pitching for sure.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 20, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude Izzy was the only real problem

Kelvin looked pretty good, Flores had a decent outing, K-Mac did well, Brad did good enough

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or the Giants

Proud sponsor of the Official 2008 StL Cardinal theme song: "Beautiful Day" by U2

by gocards62 on Jul 20, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by the way

that game kind of solidified a belief i’ve had for quite some time now re: the usage of closers. in my opinion, saving hoffman for the hypothetical save situation was stupid in that they brought in a lesser pitcher in a tighter situation and lost the game. i understand the need for roles in a bullpen, but at the same time i’m a firm believer in using your best player when the situation demands it.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Which is another reason why it’s good to see McClellan not getting saves.

by StanTheManFan on Jul 20, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm being a sarcastic person, but Aaron Miles doesn't belong in the major leagues...

I’ve read it many times on this board (hmm, not so much recently).

by kwhiteside on Jul 20, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pay attention man!

We rip on Miles loud enough that fools like Black will hear it.

Then he treats him like the first baseman’s girlfriend’s little sister on the co-ed softball team, walking the bases loaded to bring him up, and whack! Turns out she was captain of her high school team.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe I am actually gonna say (type) this

but Aaron Miles is a damn fine SS!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 20, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One game does not a fine SS make

He had a damn fine game today, but he still shouldn’t be there.

He should be there over, say, Duncan, but we can do better

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay

what are our options?

in house: iz2 is a defensive upgrade, but you want miles bat in the lineup right now and miles has actually been a better shortstop than second baseman this year. bRyan, meh, he isn’t doing much right now and once again you gotta play the hot bat in miles.

there really isn’t a trade we can swing for a significant upgrade over iz2/ryan/miles at this point.

and i know everyone wants an arod/reyes/ramirez stud shortstop…but what is so bad about a defensive specialist in iz2? last time we had a stud defensive specialist i don’t recall anyone bitching and moaning quite as much as this time around.

by lopey986 on Jul 21, 2008 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I know . Miles is Not a damn fine shortstop

but I figured I had to go crazy and give him his due for that game. I still think he should be the emergency shortstop at best.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 21, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny

The Dempster love-fest over at bleedcubbieblue was rudely interrupted by our little game. Best part is they attribute miles’ HR to HGH. Everything about the cards is HGH/drunk driving/you suck. There’s class for ya…

by barry whiteteeth on Jul 20, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

have they ever looked at Miles?

I’m 5’4, and I’m pretty sure I could beat him up.
(unless he’s packing)

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shall I tell the story again?

Of Aaron Miles minor-league, off-field heroics?

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think so...

I don’t think that was understood. He is even more of a badass off field.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is this the one

with aaron miles and babe the blue ox?

by barry whiteteeth on Jul 20, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from wiki

In spring training of 2000, several of his teammates from the Houston Astros organization were in their hotel room when two gunmen burst in. Miles was in the next room and the gunmen went in to get him. The cops showed up before they were able to take him to their getaway car and one fled. The other forced him back into his room where he ended up wrestling the gunman to the ground. The other players involved were Morgan Ensberg, Derrek Nicholson, Keith Ginter, Mike Rose, and Eric Cole.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no shit?

holy crap, i never heard that story before but that is just ballsy as hell.

any chance Bowser was behind that?

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

donno,

but miles is still a badass. Wrestling down a armed man. Jeez. Dude is all about GRIT!

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More of the story

“When a wave of cop cars screeched into the parking lot, the man in the ski mask - a convicted felon named Richard Cook - jumped two stories to the street and temporarily escaped. But the burglar in the green bandanna, Alexander Williams, wasn’t bailing. He shoved Miles back into his room at gunpoint. The police escorted Ensberg and the others out of their room and down to the parking lot, and dug in for a standoff. For 25 minutes, the crook had a gun to Miles’ head, until the 5-foot-8 infielder, the son of a heavyweight boxer, took matters into his own hands.

He attacked the 5-foot-11, 175-pound intruder, and during the struggle, Miles bit Williams on the forearm while Williams bit Miles fiercely on the upper back. Both had their hands on the gun, and eventually, with Miles lying on top of the burglar, a SWAT policeman who’d broken through a window had no choice but to fire six close-range gunshots.

“We’re downstairs in the parking lot, and you hear this, pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop,” Ensberg says. “And we’re like, ‘Aaron’s dead.’ ” But the cop hadn’t missed, wounding Williams once in the face and five times in the upper torso. The burglar was still alive, but some of his teeth had literally been shot out of his mouth. Miles bolted through the broken window and down to the parking lot, straight into the arms of his teammate Rose.”

I saw a picture of the bitemark on Miles’ back once somewhere, but I can’t find the link.

"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart

by iron duke75 on Jul 20, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude

aaron miles is my hero. that is just outrageously awesome and i will certainly never ever understimate that dude ever again.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That story is inaccurate

because there is no flipping way Aaron Miles is 5’8”!!

Been one of my favorites ever since. Was very happy to see the Cardinals get him.

Hasta la vista, vaqueros

by random on Jul 20, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gather 'round, then

As a minor-leaguer in the Houston farm system, Aaron Miles was sharing a two-room suite at a hotel in Florida with fellow teammates Morgan Ensberg, former Cardinal and switch-hitting catcher Mike Rose, and a few other players.

Miles had gone out to dinner with his uncle who lived nearby—his teammates stayed behind to relax at the hotel rooms. They left the doors open to catch some evening breeze when two armed men burst in, forcing the players into one of the rooms of the suite and securing their wrists with zip-ties. The criminals stole everything they could in the place then argued over whether to kill the players or not, who had seen their faces.

They had thrown blankets over the players and Ensberg, hearing their conversation, worked the blanket off his head, thinking that if these men were going to kill him, they’d know they were shooting at a man and not a pile of blankets.

Aaron Miles returned home during the criminals’ argument and entered his hotel room, the one that the players were not being held in. Hearing him return, one of the criminals went to attack him through the door adjoining the rooms. Miles fought back, wrestling for the gun. The other criminal ran off and escaped by jumping from the second-floor walkway.

One of the imprisoned players worked free of his bindings while Miles was fighting with the remaining bastard and called the police, who arrived quickly. A policeman with a shotgun smashed open the window to the room that Aaron Miles was wrestling with the bastard using his shotgun stock. Miles had gotten bit on the arm and was biting free a chunk of the criminal’s shoulder.

His fellow teammates had been evacuated by the police and were in the parking lot when the policemen who’d smashed the window fired shotgun blasts into the face and chest of the man Miles had been fighting. They thought he was dead until he sprang from the window, the other man’s blood running down his face.

Morgan Ensberg is understandably paranoid about his family’s safety after this incident. In Aaron Miles’ dreams, he always kicks the guy’s ass.

His father was a boxer.

That’s the story, as related from memory of reading it years ago.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awww.

Could you pass the marshmallows? I dropped the last one in the fire.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad

that vibe came through.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why i found that so funny,

but i spilled my soda.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't there a part where Miles almost negotiated his way out of it?

At least getting the criminal’s guard down long enough to grab for the gun

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just checked that out

My favorite comment is the “Luckiest team in baseball” one.

Uh, sure, dude…

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They need to look in a mirror

Cubs have had some freaky lucky games that easily coulda been lost. I’ve counted at least 5 games they might have choked up, including last week’s Giants almost rally.

by tinstl on Jul 20, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the guys

who want dempster to throw a pitch that hits Young in the head next week. That’s classy…

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 21, 2008 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Springfield game

6:10 eastern or central?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bueller?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm guessing

central, since it is the springfield cardinals website that says 6:10 and they are in the central timezone. could certainly be wrong though, but it would be the first time :)

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please Cris

have a great game, and hurry back to StL. We have an immediate opening in the ‘pen for you.

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by gocards62 on Jul 20, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stl pd

reported that Carpenter would likely go straight into the rotation upon his return from the dl.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest

I really don’t care what Cris Carpenter does tonight.

My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.

by Alxfritz on Jul 20, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's probably

preparing his lesson plan for his summer school classes this week.

(/joke assist to wikipedia)

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

matt holliday. hard to believe someone is gonna give up some bonafide talent for the guy and 11 of his 16 homers have been hit in the friendly confines of coors field. no thank you gross home/away splits.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy

on espn.com it says he gets credit for a Hold…um should be a blown save right?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 20, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Should be

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even though

we were only tied when all was said and done and not losing?

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

he gets a hold. he got one out and the team didn’t relinquish the lead when he was done.

so does larussa use this to justify letting him pitch a few more times? “he got a hold, folks, and that is just what we expect from our set up man”

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

I was thinking since the run that tied it was charged to him, that threw out the save/hold

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

the miles walk off was just on espn.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is It me?

Or does every time troy glaus hits a tying or potential game winner homer in the 8th and beyond, the cardinals give up enuff runs to get the game tied again or lose. Me thinks it seems that glaus’s late inning heroics are over shadowed by a poor bullpen.

by hghnad on Jul 20, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vegas picked us to win 72 games at the beginning of the year.

Suck it, west coasters.

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by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and I didn't bet the over

like a sucker.

Actually, i thought it was 78ish? i would have almost certainly put money on 72. 78 would have been iffy because of albert’s elbow blowout potential.

Still kicking myself for not betting the over on TB though; it was 68.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 21, 2008 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how does one get to listen to the Springfield game

is there a web connection for people like me living in Cleveland?

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by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jul 20, 2008 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i totally forget the game was on today

for some reason i thought Padres 4 wasn’t on the DTV EI package today. weird. so i only saw the last 4 at bats. that was crazy fun.

the Padres guys were saying how good of a player Mini Me was & how good of an batters eye he had. i look at my younger bro who isn’t a baseball fan & said

“i really wish they’d stop saying how good of a player Mini Me is. he’s terrible. the only reason he has a job is TLR.”

two seconds later he hits a walk off grand slam. i start laughing & my brother goes,

“yeah, he sucks. you’re an idiot.”

yes i am bro. yes i am

i said it earlier in the week & in the other thread, and i’ll say it again

his name is Aaron F’ing Miles. and he is a ball player

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 20, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball

is a humbling game.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap

2 of the top 3 web gems on espn were from the orioles/tigers game and featured guys getting thrown out because they were fuggin trottin down the first base line. they’d get my cleat right up there ass, 50 million dollar contract or not.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it wasn't for that Pittsburgh disaster

This team would be on a 7 game winning streak.

It is nice to see that they recovered from that devastating loss by winning 5 in a row. No thanks to our bullpen though.

I think Todd Wellemeyer may be the best option for closer if Carp and Wainwright prove they can come back healthy and be capable starters again.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

7

we lost our last game in the series before the Pirates series. So if we didn’t blow that game, we would’ve all 3 of the pirates games and all 4 of the padres games = 7.

I think that’s right, I could be wrong though

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I misread what you said. I thought you meant ‘going for’ an 8 game winning streak.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think part of it was the all-star break

Came back fresh, and playing the Padres

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check this out.

I win, called it hours ago.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you and i can share the GRIT tiara?

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Row 1 behind catcher

Saw the whole game today from those seats. Unbelievable win. Glaus homer was a no doubter right off the bat. Most exciting moment for me was with a 1-0 count on Thompson watching La Russa summon Yadi from the bullpen (!) to take the at bat. The drama of that trot in from right field was priceless. What followed was almost anticlimactic as Black answered as best he could figure. I think pitching to Yadi was fruitless there as well. When Miles hit the fly ball I knew game over, so clearing the fence was almost an after thought. What a win.

by Secret Weapon on Jul 20, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you are the secret weapon

you should have been watching from the 3rd base coach box.

Jose,
You truly are amazing if you can be in the first row and coach our base runners as well

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 20, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what can I say

if you recall I did pitch and play right field at the same time once.

by Secret Weapon on Jul 20, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can win 2 of 4 against the Brewers i'd be happy

Sucks that we don’t miss Sheets nor Sabathia

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's a four game set

you can’t really complain a whole lot. we kind of get lucky with our own rotation in that our currently “empty” spot will not come up in the series.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, hey there, elephant!

So… After the great walk off win… what do we need to do with izzy? DL again? Just not let him pitch in the ninth ever again?

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by Alxfritz on Jul 20, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He should be put on the DL

then given a full 30 day rehab assignment and not return until September. When we then have the bullpen to absorb it, he can come up and try to get some saves. I’d make him try to get the first two by pitching 3 innings in blowouts to finish the game.

If he survives that, maybe then put him back in, but as a playoff team…they need to start to consider KMac or Springer as the closer.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin?

What do we do with him? He may not be a stud closer, but i think he has performed pretty well. Hell, no worse than the last few years of the roller coaster that has been Izzy.

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe.

honestly, they way i play it is you put your best pitcher in when the situation demands it. i know that trevor hoffman is the padres “closer” but he should have been in there in the 9th, especially after the first guy got on base. i’ve never much been a fan of only using a guy when you closely lead because he is your closer. wouldn’t it be just as valuable to use hoffman in the 9th and shut down the cards and keep the game tied and give the padres a chance to take a lead in the 10th?

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um, instead of pictures?

cause i have those 2

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the title is fine for me

but everyone’s avatar is screwed up which is too bad because mine is erin andrews : P

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It says

ea_tiny by by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 5:24 PM EDT

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a server issue

it’s sbnation wide

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by Alxfritz on Jul 20, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't watch

but i’d love updates!

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well no one can watch

but carp just had a 10 pitch inning.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice.

love that!

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Springfield Announcer just said

that Carpenter was on his way back to rehab last year and they decided to take another look at his shoulder and just go ahead with Tommy John surgery.

If I didn’t think Paletta was already incompetent.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i WISH i could be watching this game

is anyone actually seeing it?
i hate relying on gameday to know how his pitches look….

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 20, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's Carp's pitch count tonight?

Anyone know?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I don’t like that “unless he feels good” caveat

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it probably means

if he is laboring with the bases loaded in the 5th, they’ll pull him after 60. If it is 58 pitches before the start of the 5th, they’ll give him the whole inning (or 70 pitches).

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a little better

But I’d rather they be as strict with him as possible

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not concerned about his elbow tonight

it’s tomorrow morning I’m wondering about. His problem before surgery #2 of 2007 was the massive postgame swelling.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point.

they should probably set a limit pregame, and then play it by ear if he hurts before that. Then take him out early.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the radio guys keep talking about the crowd

i guess they come out in full force for rehab starts.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

or if the broadcaster could talk about how he looks instead of just calling the game.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame this isn't against the Astros Midwest team

we might have gotten this game on FSN Regional channels. They had a Springfield game on earlier this year.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This opposing pitcher's name is Rowdy

They oughtta rough him up just for that….

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Touching 120

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?!?!

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Steady 115-118, he’s hit 120 a couple of times

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are basing those readings on the stadium gun

they said between innings that Andy Benes is scouting the game and he said the stadium gun is SLOW by 5-6 mph.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

I didn’t hear that, I thought those sounded a little low

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not bad at all...

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

I was hoping he would be turned into a cyborg, this confirms it

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's misleading

that was on the changeup he was working on in Spring Training 2007.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.

I will admit, I have been a pessimist when it comes to Carpenter.
Whenever anyone says something about “Carp will be back in august” or something of the ilk, i always want to scream that TJ surjery takes too long to come back from and we shouldn’t even whisper his name this year. I hate the thinking that he is some asset that we will be able to count on in any way whatsoever this year.
That is how i feel.
Or at least, FELT until I saw that first inning on gameday. All of a sudden I have had flashes of Carp winning the world series for us in a masterful game 4 perfect game that completes our sweep….
Now i want him in the rotation in 5 days.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you are a cardinals fan.

having bad thoughts about our pitching is all part of the game. no problems there. Good to hear he’s looking good.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is the radio feed waaayyy behind Gameday for anyone else?

On the radio the top of the inning just ended, but on Gameday there are two on with one out in the bottom of the inning.

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

your feed must suck

the one hardcore posted up there is right on with the gameday link posted up there.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm using that jock 98.7 link

I just realized that for some reason it was looping back the start of the broadcast (at least when I turned it on) periodically. I just re-started it and now it’s caught up. Dunno what was going on….

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it the "I'm a ball player" commercial?

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha.

no one can identify you from your voice.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no it doesn't

but still cool nevertheless with the radio call.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't really find that entertaining

Ignorant would be a better word

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

entertainingly ignorant.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow.

they’re a special bunch, huh.
I guess if I had to endure their century of suckitude, I’d be special too.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is my fav.

“To be honest I’d rather have the cardinals make the playoffs than the Brewers
We are head over heels better than the cardinals in terms of talent and would easily beat that team head to head. The Brewers are a team we always struggle with”-BCB

Bring it tiny bears…if you can make it through the rest of the season.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so they keep saying the place is sold out

how many fans do you think will make a beeline for the exits once carp comes out?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lots

Springfield isn’t very exciting this year except for when Jess Todd is pitching. Jon Jay and Allen Craig are the only exciting position players on that team, imo.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Control is definitely a bit rusty

to be expected after not pitching in live games for so long.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another groundball

should be out of the inning.

Carp is pounding the bottom of the strikezone.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so,

what inning is it, and how is he fairing?
Any ideas about his return? where/when he will start?

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and a K

27 pitches now. i’m thinking he’ll get through 5.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that 4th pitch foul ball

looked high. what did they say about it? did he fool him or did gameday show it higher than it was?

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 20, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the updates.

what has he been throwing mostly? anyone know the speed of pitches?

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the radio guys have not mentioned any speeds

i’m thinking he’s been throwing a lot of sliders.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

the pictures and avatars are working for me again.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, barring a setback

I could actually see Carp coming back August 9th in Chicago, if the team wants to do that.

His rehab starts would be:
July 20 – Springfield
July 25 – Springfield
July 30 – Memphis
August 4 – Memphis

That could all be moved forwards or backwards depending on how he responds.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not to jinx it

but if his rehab starts go good, i could see him going to memphis after tonight, make one start there and then come back to the big club.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs atleast 3 starts

to get his arm strength up. Remember, this is spring training for him.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

but i think he gets moved up after tonight regardless.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh how joyous that would be

I have tickets to that game with 3 of my friends…. who just so happen to be Cub fans

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 20, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off topic

Jason Taylor traded to Redskins…wow…

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

'Skins fan?

Not the Rams or the Steelers?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

I guess the Redskins were probably pretty much the only exciting team in town

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im a fins fan

and im glad they traded him…hopefully he gets helps them contend

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 20, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing this year though

But hell, I’m a Raiders fan…..you can all stop laughing now

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am really sorry

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 20, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how bout dem Cowboys?!

this is good news for the rest of the NFL. players careers go to die in DC.

sorry HL.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 20, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 draft picks

2nd rounder in 2009
6th rounder in 2010

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

that’s a bargain.

well considering his age, maybe not so much.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is the 2nd rounder

kinda hurts, but the likelihood of getting talent like Taylor at that point in the draft isn’t likely. And the Skins just lost a DE, so they needed a passrusher.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

so why is this good for you?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would figure wouldn't it

Isn’t that when Mulder reaggravated the shoulder?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh oh

missing up=not good

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty encouraging thus far

with tempered optimism.

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by Alxfritz on Jul 20, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

42 pitches i think

i guess he’ll get through one more.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

43 pitches

actually, but yeah…I think he’ll get 2 more.

He says he is getting 70.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

i thought it was 50. maybe he will get through 5.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

42 pitches

after the 3rd?

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These announcers are ridiculous

“This guy’s had some pretty good seasons.” Speaking of Carp. No sarcasm detected.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In fairness

as dominant as he is, Carp’s only had 3 good seasons in his career.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man,

one would think that they would have at least looked at his ESPN stat page.

"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

god

these guys like yell through my laptop when a springfield player gets a hit.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I thought Carp’s pitch count target was 75.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i love how

this thread goes dead while springfield is batting

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 20, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they have 2 good players

Jon Jay and Allen Craig

Tyler Greene has tools, but it’s questionable whether or not he’ll put them together

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he hasn't pitched in 1 1/2 years

he’s going to be rusty with his control

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by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow! I should have gotten up at 2:00 am to listen to this one. Sounds like on hell of game of a lifetime.

Unfortunatley, I was taken to task by some for suggesting that Izzy was no longer a “quality” MLB pitcher. I think this game did little to change my mind.

Still, 14 over and Carp (sorta) on the mend. I’m actually starting to feel a bit positive.

Sawbadee kop

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 20, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my damn power went out

so i missed the last 2 innings of the miles super hero stint

man, what a win

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 20, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

Carp seems to struggle with his command early in these innings, then he gets going.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how so?

do you really expect someone who hasn’t thrown live games in well over a year to not have control issues???

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not too worried about that

He’s not getting hit hard, he’ll zero in his control with more work

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just figured out what game I'm going to in Atlanta

Thursday 7/31…pitching matchups look like Joel Pineiro vs. Jo-Jo Reyes…bleh…

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that kinda sucks

just don’t go on NASCAR night.

we were rolling through atlanta and thought we might catch and saturday night game. i thought about 30,000 people would be there. we ended up getting there an hour late cuz of traffic and then found out it was NASCAR night and a record crowd of like 56,000 turned up. it was a nightmare.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I was there

Didn’t get there until the top of the 2nd inning, and then saw us get beat by 8 runs. Barf

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

lotta cardinal fans at the game also. it was a terrible night all around.

my mother swears she’ll never go back to atlanta.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burn some incense near those posters I sent. Gotta' keep the good games coming.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 20, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did Garcia look? Will he start again?

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by akaitori on Jul 20, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he looked okay

had some control problems early and threw some very hittable pitches. after that, he seemed to settle down.

he’ll probaly start again simply because there’s no one else to do it and he wasn’t terrible.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

looked okay...

... started off horribly, then settled in nicely in innings 2-4. in the 5th he gave up a gopher ball to pitcher for a 3-run homer.

he’s obviously not ready for the Show, but he’s gonna be very good someday.

by kindred on Jul 20, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

like those blocks

in the 8th with McClellan pitching?

by Evilfrog on Jul 20, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He knows how..

he just made the mistake of trying to one-hand the pitches. It happens to every catcher; yes, even Yadi.

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on Jul 20, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

give the guy a break. he gets to play what, once or twice a week?

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looked fine

rough start to the first 3 hitters then set down like 11 in a row. Tought to really tell though, Pads didn’t exactly put their A Squad out there and even their A Squad isn’t too impressive.

by Tackle Box on Jul 20, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And let's not forget

he started off the game with a double ( and a 2 base error on Skippy) for a homerun.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on a ball that should have been caught.

First batter of your first MLb start and the LF bounces it over the fence- that’d screw some guys up for good.

but Jaime bounced right back.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 21, 2008 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehheh

Cox Health Sign.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Dan were here

he’d say that if we were in Busch, that’d be by the Bud Light sign. Did I mention Bud Light? Bud Light, Bud Light, Bud Light.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K

62 pitches. i figure that will about do it.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 20, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So is that it for him?

62 pitches, 4 K, 4 BB, 1 hit, no runs in 4 IP

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope that's it honestly

Please don’t push it

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

solid start

but tomorrow is the real story…if he feels ok

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by ihavebadknees on Jul 20, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree - don't push him on the first start

Encouraging start; presumably the walks will go away as some of the rust comes off. But 1 hit and 4 K are nice, even if he was wild.

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It was a good first outing, definitely something to build on, call it a day

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ranc was right

Springfield announcers said this is likely to be his only Springfield start.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If he feels all right tomorrow

2 Memphis starts and he’s good to go?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was only half way paying attention to the game

and I just now realised I’m listening to the NW Arkansas feed. Oh well. I was wondering what you were talking about earlier when it was mentioned they were screaming on every hit. Guess I luckily found the other feed.

by Tackle Box on Jul 20, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no more carp

= no more me.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jul 20, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Mather 2 run homer in Memphis

He needs to be called up and Izzy needs to be shipped off

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what the hell is FIP?

There are too many stats.

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by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.91

WHIP is 1.59
BABIP is .316
LD% is 21.4%

This is all from Fangraphs, I don’t think it includes today’s stats

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was asking about Mather

Since he’s apparantly the savior to the bullpen.

by Tackle Box on Jul 20, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when did i say that?

I’d just prefer having a RH bat off the bench over having 13 pitchers (and i’d like to get rid of izzy)

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Getting rid of Izzy right now improves the bullpen even if we don’t replace him

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 20, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It just takes away Tony’s temptation to nurse him back to being a closer and forces him to use other alternatives, which is a good thing. Also, won’t our bullpen improve if Waino and Carp come back? Either by starting Carp out of the pen or by moving a current starter to the pen? I’d love to have Blooper back in the pen.

by Ray Lankford on Jul 20, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp isn't due back for about a month and Wainwright hasn't really thrown yet either

If you didn’t notice, the Cardinals ran out of pitchers today. When it came to the 9th, they had Izzy and Thompson available. I’d say right now, they need as many pitchers as possible and going to 12 pitchers doens’t help a thing.

by Tackle Box on Jul 20, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually didn't watch the game today, so I didn't notice

I just noticed Izzy’s wonderful line: 1/3 IP, 3 H, 2 ER to compliment his robust 6.27 ERA.

But you are right, we need as many pitchers as possible—regardless of whether they hurt the team.

by Ray Lankford on Jul 20, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps they could replace deadweight pitchers

Izzy, Flores, Jiminez with guys like Perez, Worrell, etc and they wouldn’t have had to use an extra pitcher today.

Sure, they ran out of pitchers (actually, Springer was getting loose) but they only ran out of pitchers because Flores and Izzy couldn’t do their jobs.

If we had talented pitchers in their place that could actually finish an inning, we wouldn’t have had to use Thompson and KMac and we would have had PLENTY of pitchers left in the pen.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHA

At the thought that Perez and Worrell “do their job” at the big league level. Funny you mention Jiminez when he pitched well today.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 20, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There he is!

Jiminez ‘pitched well’ on the final batter he faced. The two walks and the rocket shots he was giving up ate valuable innings that this team needed.

I’ll tip my cap for that.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

extra (bad) pitcher is double negative whammy

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 20, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where are they supposed to get all of these pitchers

who are just going to start throwing 1-2-3 innings? You mention Perez and Worrell, but I don’t remember them doing it the last time around, what makes you think that just because you call ‘em up this time, everything is fixed.

Then what do you do when it ISN’T fixed, cause that ain’t fixing our problems.

I guess it’s one thing to say “If we had talented pitchers in their place…..”. Well, if your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle. Unfortunately the reality of the situation is, we don’t have any quality bullpen arms to replace those guys with. Perez and Worrell aren’t going to come here and save the day no matter how many times you say it.

by Tackle Box on Jul 21, 2008 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reeeow!

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 21, 2008 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't have to be the second coming

of Jesse Orosco, but they should atleast get 2 Major League hitters out an inning, something Izzy has struggled to do his last few outings.

Continuing the status quo because we believe that there isn’t a perfect solution does not solve a problem. All it does is maintain the problem we already have. At least attempting to improve the situation increases your odds of success rather than hoping these guys regress to the mean.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 21, 2008 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's just it

Perez and Worrell have struggle with exactly what you are asking them to accomplish.

by Tackle Box on Jul 21, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone care to specual on Izzy's problem? My information comes from Gameday, and

velocity and movement appear to be OK. Certtainly has the experience and know-how. Why the hell does he continue to struggle?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 20, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

typo - speculate . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

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by akaitori on Jul 20, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mental

i think his stuff is fine, he’s just putting too much on himself

he needs to relax, not think about the stats, the losses, the wins… he simply needs to throw and believe in himself

honestly, i think he needs to be moved somewhere else… for him and for us… i think he’ll get to 300+, but i’m no longer confident that he’ll do it with us… and i think it’s a big item that is seriously bothering him

i say that because this is the guy that sends congratulation gifts to all the other closers that hit 300… he knows it is a big deal and it’s bothering him

he needs to change the scenery and get back to just playing ball… he does that and the stats will take care of themselves

by BirdsonFire on Jul 20, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know for sure

he looked really good on the first batter. Good enough that people were praising him around here about how awesome his stuff looked, and then he just didn’t locate great to the other hitters.

I just don’t get how people go from raving about his stuff on the first batter and then scream he needs to be dfa’d or whatever a couple batters later especially when that would have been Franklin’s spot had he been fine to pitch. Izzy’s not the closer. Franklin is. We’ve got 13 pitchers on the staff right now and could use 14 with the way the starters have struggled the past few days burning up the pen.

But, I guess I should consider who’s posts I’m reading. I read enough of people proclaiming the game was over after 3 batters, and then when Jimenez came in and then again when Flores came in. Obviously, those weren’t very good predictions even though they were delivered in a matter of fact way.

by Tackle Box on Jul 20, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isringhausen isn't the closer?

LaRussa said Izzy and Franklin will share the duties as the situation dictates. Maybe Izzy isn’t the full scale closer but he’s been given the ball in the 9th twice in the last week and couldn’t get out of it.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you took time to notice

Franklin is closer 1a. He gets the first call. But if he’s unable to go (like today) it’s apparantly Izzy. What else do you want?

by Tackle Box on Jul 21, 2008 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for izzy

his failure is location, location, location. makes me wonder if his hip is the problem. doesn’t appear to be arm strength.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 20, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles

I think it is about time he gets some respect. No more complaining about his starts at SS either. He has proven to be AT LEAST league average defensively. He should start 75% of the games from here out, rather at 2B or SS.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 20, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Miles qualified as a 2B

in the National League, his RZR would be the 2nd worst of any 2B. He’d be neck and neck with Ray Durham. He’s surprisingly been above average at SS, which doesn’t make much sense in relation to how bad he has been at 2B.

Dude can hit, though.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it just shows.....

that RZR doesn’t mean much? If THAT is the basis of your argument that Miles can’t field, I can’t argue with you, b/c I just don’t put much, if anything, into that. Not everything can be measured in stats/numbers/etc. Watch the games. Like I’ve said for weeks, I can’t remember any balls that Miles didn’t get to, that another SS, say Iz, would have definitely had. And even if there are a handful of balls like that, we’re talking what, 1 ball every 2-3 weeks, or something?

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 20, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do watch every game

in fact, I record every game. Have a DVD of every game since Opening Day 2006.

Miles is an adequate utility guy at SS (this season) but he isn’t a starting SS in this league. He is getting by at 2B because his bat needs to be in the lineup on most days but defensively, he leaves a lot do be desired.

His RZR and OOZ aren’t very good at all for a 2B. They don’t just make up the data.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RZR

is developed by people watching the games, over and over, objectively, for a living. If you can’t trust that than you can’t trust anything.

My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.

by Alxfritz on Jul 20, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off Topic

Anyone watching the ESPYs? Pretty good show thus far (although i do love me some JT so i’m a bit biased, but the bit he did with the janet jackson picture was hilarious).

by lopey986 on Jul 20, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

most of the jokes were bad,

but that janet jackson part was hilarious.

by Phizzle on Jul 21, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i liked

the constant ripping of Favre as well.

by lopey986 on Jul 21, 2008 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp not too enthusiastic with his outing

very discouraged with his command on his fastball. Says his secondary pitches are all fine and his fastball had been fine in his last simulated game but tonight he struggled with it.

Once his fastball command can be found, he says he will be on the fast track back to St. Louis. He said he experienced NO PAIN pitching tonight, which is what he is really happy about this whole experience.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Says unlike when he had shoulder surgery

and he had full command but no strength, with his elbow, he has had full strength but a lack of command.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 20, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point I'll definitely take the latter over the former

Lack of command after so long not pitching in a game is expected, right? I’d expect him to be frustrated about the 4 walks, but if he has no pain (and still doesn’t tomorrow and Tuesday) and if he has full strength, then for my money tonight was a great success.

I expect he’ll find his command soon. That’s certainly not based on any particular knowledge or expertise I have, just that he’s Carp – command right now for him seems like more of a mental thing, which he’s great at; or a practice thing, and he’s getting practice. It doesn’t seem like a physical thing (see Mulder, Mark). Again, I’m largely talking out of my ass, but I feel good about him.

by BTown Birds fan on Jul 20, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how long was it

Between his shoulder surgery and his first start from comming back on that?

by Evilfrog on Jul 20, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

brewers just traded for durham

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 20, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i really hope MO doesn't do some thing stupid

just to keep up with them & the flubs.

just be smart & get some pen help MO.

btw, they gave up Class A outfielder Darren Ford and Triple-A left-hander Steve Hammond.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 20, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way we are hitting.....

I’d just worry about getting a bullpen arm or two. Maybe a guy like Roberts, but I fear the price would be too high.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 20, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we agree that the best possible trade this team could make

would be for Roberts + Sherrill from the O’s?

I’m not saying it’s reasonable, because it isn’t, but damn would it be sweet.

Unfortunately it would cost us Rasmus and a whole lot more.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 20, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it would cost us that much

it’s not the best possible trade we could make.

by liam on Jul 20, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of bad trades

did any one see what Daric Barton did during the all star break?

maybe it’s best he’s an A now

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty scarry

i guy in my town just did this in the lake and is now paralyzed. I dont like the way they made light of it in the article. Not smart yes, but insensitive to imply so.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 21, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

this happened earlier in the day?

by saladdays on Jul 21, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mcfarlane cooperstown series 6

more yankees…yuck i want a stan or Lou…http://www.allstarfigures.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=COO6

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 21, 2008 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TRUE GRIT


“That’s a feeling I wasn’t sure I was going to get to experience, that walk-off homer,” Miles said. “But it happened to me. I’d never done it before, not in the Minor Leagues or anywhere, so it’s a great feeling.”

“Fantasy Island,” manager Tony La Russa called the win.

by KYCards on Jul 21, 2008 12:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boss, D'Plane

D’Plane!

What, was that Tone’s way of getting back at Mini-Miles?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 21, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fantasy Island indeed!!

I hear Tony is going to produce and star in a re-make of the classic TV series

by KYCards on Jul 21, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH MY

THAT

IS

AWESOME

well done sir

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 21, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

super mario!

must’ve gotten that star before the AB

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Jul 21, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kind of looks..

like he’s getting ready to jump over a goomba actually

As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."

by urgeernieball on Jul 21, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda looks like he's doin' his walk

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 21, 2008 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles makes his mark on Cardinal history

as the 10th Cardinal to hit a walk-off Grand Slam!

July 14, 1936: Pepper Martin vs. Brooklyn (9th inning of 11-7 win)
July 30, 1957: Joe Cunningham vs. New York (9th inning of 7-3 win)
August 11, 1970: Carl Taylor vs. San Diego (9th inning of 11-10 win)
Sept. 24, 1971: Joe Hague vs. Montreal (10th inning of 10-6 win)
May 1, 1979: Roger Freed vs. Houston (11th inning of 7-6 win)
July 18, 1984: Darrell Porter vs. San Francisco (11th inning of 8-4 win)
April 18, 1987: Tom Herr vs. New York (10th inning of 12-8 win)
August 7, 2005: David Eckstein vs. Atlanta (9th inning of 5-3 win)
August 26, 2006: Gary Bennett vs. Chicago (9th inning of 10-6 win)
July 20, 2008: Aaron Miles vs. San Diego (9th inning of 9-5 win)

by KYCards on Jul 21, 2008 2:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

last 4, actually

Tommy Herr had just 2 home runs in 597 PA’s in 1987.

Wow, Freed also only had 2 HR’s (in 36 PA’s!) in 1979, his last year in MLB.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 21, 2008 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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